Guild Wars 2

briggah.7910:

Genavelle.9516:

Except a lot of WvWers don’t care too much about PPT anyways. Most WvW people I know see PPT as a way to get fights, not the other way around. You attack SMC to draw the enemy forces to you so you can fight them, not because you really care about the castle. Although being able to run through SMC as a shortcut across the map is a really nice benefit too.

True but you need PPT’ers to keep you where you are. You should know this by now. Your server itself was dropping to the lower tiers and you guys had to PPT your way to get back to where you are. We had matches against you when you were on your way up and you just blobbed everything and anyone. Even spawned camped us. I understand you had to do it but you also still have to PPT to stay where you are if you care about it or not. If anything you should be happy you do have people PPt’ing so that you guys can get the fights you want to get..

Not hating on your server or anything and I also pointed out before that if you guys can re-build others can as well. It just takes everyone on the server to do what they can to accomplish it. I’m sure it was not easy either but most look for the easiest way out.

I’ve only been only been on Maguuma for a couple months.

And I know PPT is relevant and necessary for WvW, but my point was that I doubt the vast majority of WvW players go into WvW because they want to PPT. If you NEED to PPT to stay in your tier, then y’know cool. But at this point what is winning even worth anymore? The servers are all so imbalanced, T1 is practically rigged to stay the same 3 servers all the time..Even winning a matchup anymore is more about keeping your server in a steady place (like not dropping and losing people because of it or getting into uneven matchups), than about the pride of winning a matchup. It’s not like you even get rewards for your server winning a matchup, and after 3 years y’know..Who really even cares about the pride of winning anymore?

PPT is just a tool to get your server where you want it to be to have the best/most even fights. PPT is a tool you use in-game to create fights, by attacking coveted items like keeps and castles. PPT is a tool, a means to an end. It is not the purpose or main goal of WvW for most players.

phokus.8934:

Mike O’Brien has really bad posture. Slouching, hunched shoulders, arms crossed – all signs point that he doesn’t care to even be there and what he’s talking about.

I thought he looked pretty uncomfortable too lol. Like “Oh kitten she’s asking about WvW…I can’t tell her we’re about to just convert it to EoTM and be done with that crap!”

FrizzFreston.5290:

Well. .. making threats like “alot of long term players are going to leave if….” without having any factual information is kind of an empty threat. It’s his point that should somehow hold more weight because “alot” of people will leave. Which as you stated yourself, which I agree with, is totally irrelevant.

Other than that, his dissatisfaction with the way he feels WvW is seemingly handled is naturally as valid as any other opinion.

If you want support to my statement, go take a peek in the WvW forum. It is essentially filled to the top right now with people saying that they do not want to spend any more money on this game. People saying they’re stopping buying gems, won’t buy the expansion, planning to quit the game altogether, etc.

Also, I’m a she.

briggah.7910:

Well if they went by forum posts then yes maybe they can see that this event is not a good event.. If they go by the amount of players running around in golems well it looks like a complete success since there are still golems running around everywhere.

I ran around in a few golems at reset and that was enough for me. I’ve been on foot the since then but still seeing many people in golems on each server.

The problem with that is that sure, there are lots of people who need more money/levels/etc. That’s why so many people do EoTM ktrains. Right now WvW Golem Rushing is more efficient than EoTM so I’m sure there are a lot of people who came from PvE/EoTM to WvW simply because it is the most efficient Ktrain right now. Even WvW players who are doing WvW right now are probably NOT enjoying it, just figure they might as well take advantage and level some alts.

briggah.7910:

WvW is more PVE than you think. Its based on a point system that you get points by taking objectives controlled by NPCS. Its up to players to defend those objectives. Most of the epic fights take place when servers try to capture objectives. SM battles for example. They can last for a long time if people keep respawning and coming back while open field fights usually last until the commander dies and everyone else runs away.

Except a lot of WvWers don’t care too much about PPT anyways. Most WvW people I know see PPT as a way to get fights, not the other way around. You attack SMC to draw the enemy forces to you so you can fight them, not because you really care about the castle. Although being able to run through SMC as a shortcut across the map is a really nice benefit too.

TJgalon.5012:

The thng I been enjoying about it, at least on the server i am on I guess, is the extra battles. I moved up like 3 ranks in a hour, and I look forward to Friday and my new ranks will bring me. I think i gone up about 10 ranks so far during the event time, which been faster then normal. It might not be a fav event of all, but I found it to be worth while.

Said all the skritts.

Edit: In a sense of more constructive criticism, I want to say that yes, this event MIGHT help get a few new people interested in WvW who did not play before. They see “special event? Oo let me go try that out!”, they enter WvW to be greeted by hoards of golems, hop in one and run around faster than non-golem players, hitting millions of damage. They join silly-looking Golem Ktrains, gain lots of experience, ranks, and loot and think “wow this is great!”.

The only problem here is that you’re not really getting new players interested in WvW. You’re bring new players into WvW to get them interested in EoTM, while at the same time kicking all the regular WvWers out of WvW (or atleast forcing them to ktrain all week instead of real WvW play). So when the week ends, maybe these new players will be excited like this guy here, to use his new ranks and do more WvW- but the thing is, WvW is NOT all about ktrains. It’s not fast, easy loot. And when most of these newer players discover that, they’re going to get bored and just go to EoTM instead.

I think the real way to get new players genuinely interested in WvW is to promote guilds. When you’re in WvW following a pugmander in a pugzerg, you don’t really know or understand what’s going on. You’re just following a blob, pewpewing at stuff and it’s boring. That’s how I used to feel. Until I found a guild. Because WvW is about fights, and it’s about community. WvW becomes REALLY fun when you have a good guild to play it with- suddenly you’re part of a team and a community, they help teach you how things work, and you all work together to win fights and capture things and defend things and it feels good. You get in TS and play music and joke and laugh together while you do your raids, and it’s fun.

Mindlessly following a blob in a golem pewpewing at doors is NOT fun, and it’s not a long-term solution to get and keep people interested in WvW.

Sungtaro.6493:

Sorry should have quoted the post I am referring to. Um, it’s about four posts above mine. Didn’t even see yours when I was writing that post.

How did you not see my post? It’s the Original Post of this thread…….

TJgalon.5012:

Genavelle.9516:

TJgalon.5012:

I think it good to have one thread, then 20+. there no reason why no one can’t post in the same thread. Like it or dislike it, making more then one thread for any topic just feel lazy to me. Yes I know the search feature is broken, but when they are right on the first page, zero reason, and to be honest, most threads where the same thing saying a event ruin wvw forever, which seem odd to me, but they are the better wvw players as I been told.
Still I can’t see how wvw being neglected due to not only a big update coming, as we been given some of the changes, but a new map, and who knows what else. Not sure why a event ruins it, but i guess we just need to see.

Are you primarily a PvE player?

i am a gw2 player, does not matter, as i can have an opinion on any of the modes I have played. I put time in wvw, I am not sure i see as many issues as other, but that where I am different, I know. I have enjoyed the event as It the first time I tried the golem. I even defended a tower from a team, as they only had two golem and a few other player, it was quite a bit of fun, and we were close to losing, when they did get in. Golem seem to have weakness which are good, mostly, they hate drops,, lol so they always are taking the long way, and it allowed me to snipe at them, and I push one off an edge before.

If the only WvW you have played is with this Golem Rush event, that’s not real WvW. If you can’t understand how WvW can feel neglected, you either have not played much WvW or have not been playing the game very long, period.

Since launch, WvW has not gotten very many updates. However in all fairness, it’s not like WvW needs the same amount of updates as PvE does- but I mean it took them 2 years to give us more than 1 commander tag color, and that was still after everyone started using tags for PvE events anyway (so who knows how much of it was really meant for WvW anyway). One big update WvW got was the EoTM map, but that turned out to be a flop since EoTM just turned into the perpetual karma train that it is, and not actually WvW.

Yes, there is the new expansion coming, but again most of that revolves around PvE. What stuff is coming to WvW seems to be generally more about siege and the new map- and most WvWers like to fight. New siege stuff is kind of cool, but again doesn’t seem to be that huge of a thing to me since I mean..3 years to add some new siege equipment/mechanics just seems a little anticlimactic. Plus as mentioned before, a lot of WvWers want to fight more than anything, and while PPT is important, it’s not the reason we play. As for the new map, there is a lot of concern right now about the design of the map ignoring current concerns of WvW players. Many servers right now are so underpopulated they can barely cover the current maps, and the new maps are going to be much, much bigger. Everyone is atleast a little worried that the new maps will become EoTM 2.0, and essentially kill off any real WvW and replace it with more karma trains.

So by saying that WvW feels neglected, it’s not because we want more stuff. We say we feel neglected because WvW bugs go unaddressed and unattended, the imbalance of servers goes unattended, the terrible rewards for playing WvW force us to play other game modes just to make the money we need to buy armor and food, and then we get told that we’re “really into pve” because we can’t afford to play WvW without it. WvW feels neglected because when they DO add things for us, they’re things that don’t make sense for WvW, they’re things targeted for the PvE farmfarmfarm mentality. WvW feels neglected because nobody seems to be interested in listening to what WvW players want (which isn’t really much. We’re not asking for more stuff, crazy new content…We just want WvW to be fixed up a little bit and work better).

Sungtaro.6493:

One thing about software especially gaming software. Until there is an actual release date, it really is just hype and vaporware. Haven’t seen a firm release date for these big wvw changes you are talking about.

In fact, I am struggling to remember the details of them, well, unless you mean HoT changes and well, that is still a certain extent vaporware. We don’t know what is going to make it to the release and what will have to be put on the backburner or shelved permanently.

What big WvW changes am I talking about? This thread is mostly talking about the forums, the lack of attention from the devs, and the current Golem event which is already in motion so idk why release dates would be relevant?

Zera.8907:

Many, many good ideas in the OP. One can only hope these ideas are taken into consideration. What I love about GW2 is that its unique. However, WvW right now is that it’s broken, unattended, and what lil attention it does get is not what the player base really wants. This event for example, while I appreciate it’s effort didn’t click with me and I don’t care for it at all. To make matters worse are the bugs associated with it that people are abusing. If you cancel the event it looks bad for PR, you may not have enough time or resources to dedicate to fixing the bug so we may just be left with riding it out. However, in doing so that leaves a bad taste in the players mouths as it kind of shows that WvW is not being taken seriously and neglected when such a crippling bug is not being fixed or addressed. Overall I love WvW for what it stands for and it can be amazing should you dedicate resources to it and take some of ideas from the community and perhaps from other games as well.

I do actually agree that it’s nice to see them try to do something for WvW by giving us an event- in a way it shows that they’re trying to tell us that they’re not ignoring us and want to promote WvW.

HOWEVER. The problem with this event is that A) pretty sure I heard it was planned by a PvP dev? So that doesn’t even make sense and gives everyone even more reason to suspect that there is not actually a WvW team anyway. This event really caters more to the PvE population than WvW population. It is an event that has turned WvW into EoTM on steroids- just endless ktraining, which is not what WvW players nor what it should be about. So while doing an event shows me that they’re trying to prove they aren’t neglecting us, the content of this event proves to me that they still aren’t listening to us and do not understand what WvW players want, because this event caters to the PvE/Ktrain population.

And at the end of the day, that is what’s making me lose faith in this game and in ArenaNet. I appreciate the effort at trying to do something for WvW, but the fact that they are so out of touch with what WvW is even about just makes me believe it is never going to see the improvements we want, and any attention it receives will only make it more PvE and Ktrain.

TJgalon.5012:

I think it good to have one thread, then 20+. there no reason why no one can’t post in the same thread. Like it or dislike it, making more then one thread for any topic just feel lazy to me. Yes I know the search feature is broken, but when they are right on the first page, zero reason, and to be honest, most threads where the same thing saying a event ruin wvw forever, which seem odd to me, but they are the better wvw players as I been told.
Still I can’t see how wvw being neglected due to not only a big update coming, as we been given some of the changes, but a new map, and who knows what else. Not sure why a event ruins it, but i guess we just need to see.

Are you primarily a PvE player?

Purple Miku.7032:

Xillllix.3485:

When there is a PvE update and there is bugs they fix them immediately.

Lol excuse me?

We’re still waiting on bugs in PvE that haven’t been addressed for years.

Today is a Sunday, and in case you aren’t aware of it they normally don’t have a ton of maintenance going on during the weekend.

Lol put that sass away. I’m pretty sure there are some bugs in WvW that have been there since launch, still not fixed. Also, atleast PvE gets responses from devs, new content, attention, etc. WvW has been essentially left to rot for 3 years while Anet sells PvE and sells it hard.

Maybe the trick here IS loyalty. If they know WvW players are some of the most loyal, then maybe they feel like they can take profits from WvW and place them elsewhere, because even as they have neglected WvW for years, much of us still remain.

I think that maybe if we were to stop being so loyal, they might see that they can’t afford to keep neglecting WvW. And honestly I’m getting the feel that with this expansion, a lot of the WvW population might actually finally move on from GW2. If they take away our WvW maps and replace them with more EoTM stuff, it might be the thing that finally pushes a lot of WvW players to just stop playing, because what would be left to play for? As of right now, I’ve gone from excited about the expansion and new stuff to not even caring, because I don’t want to spend money on it while I’m watching how badly they treat the game as it already is.

LunacyPolish.4602:

Genavelle.9516:

I thought I heard all the T1 servers fix their matches to all stay in T1 anyways- so not sure if any of them are really “the best” anyway. But “best” depends on what you’re looking for. A lot of the top-tier servers are simply the most populated ones, which means they have really big queues almost all of the time, and fighting is always blobby.

If you’re looking for less queues and more mid-small fights, you probably want to avoid T1 and T2, but also ask servers what they’re looking for. One thing I know is that when people see a good goldylox server (y’know not too big, not too small, not too blobby, good fights), it becomes a bandwagon, and that ruins it because it gets flooded and after a couple of months everyone abandons it for the next goldylox server anyway.

Tier 1 being rigged… yes and no. I won’t go into it but there’s some manipulation going on, but there’s also a lot of people like me who ignore that noise and just go fight. That said BG does historically control the tier, if JQ or TC win it’s because BG let them.

All three have 2 v 1 against the other at one point or another to try to push them out of the tier. It never works. People think it’s about having good fighters, but it’s not it’s coverage. I don’t think anyone in t2 has half the coverage the weakest t1 server has. Hi Australia and New Zealand. Love you.

Tier 1 is self sustaining at this point. If one of the three weakens, people transfer in from lower tiers. The inertia is incredible.

The thing is, having more players in your tier means you have better chances of finding your fix regardless of whether you roam havoc team fight or ktrain blob. There’s always someone to kill. When it’s not golem week at least.

Meh I’m going to disagree with you on that. I mean I’m sure T1 servers all probably have the most players and biggest coverage and that’s part of why they stay in T1 (but also, the reason they’re constantly so full is because they’re T1), but I don’t think a full server necessarily is the best for everyone.

Some of my friends and I traveled to T2 for a while, but y’know all the big queues and big blob fights became tiring really quick. Now we’ve moved into a T3 server which I think everyone is enjoying a lot more, because we don’t have to worry about queues all the time (which gives you more mobility to switch maps and plan raids without adding in time to wait in queue, and it doesn’t suck if you disconnect). There also seems to be more variety in fights here, you can have good roaming fights without being zerged down all the time, and our medium-sized guild can still get pretty even fights. I think the only thing I don’t care for on my server is that nobody cares about PPT and I have to admit I do enjoy scouting, but it isn’t exactly useful when nobody cares about PPT.

So I mean I think that for the OP, they need to take those kinds of things into consideration if they want to transfer. Queues, size of fights, etc.

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

It is likely that Anet cannot even do a patch or end the event early as it will likely destroy golem inventories in the field worth thousands of gold. Imagine the uproar if they send out a patch and destroy a thousand golems in the process during the reset.

Lol but so many people are just using exploits to duplicate Golems for free right now anyway.

Luvpie.8350:

Genavelle.9516:

eithinan.9841:

Genavelle.9516:

I have received FOUR infractions in this forum since this Golem Event started,

this will get you another so you know

I’m sure it will. But it’s stupid what’s happening in this forum and all I really want is to be able to play the game without being forced to farm all day like a zombie. Why is Anet ignoring an entire portion of their playerbase? It makes no sense to me.

Esport you! They want you to go into pvp instead…

Don’t get me wrong, I do enjoy PvP from time to time….But WvW is my home in this game. PvP and PvE are what I do to take little breaks from WvW and try something different, they’re not a long-term game mode for me- or for a lot of people I know.

I can’t scout in PvP…I can’t y’know have that same experience of taking care of a keep and pride of getting it fully upgraded and then watching for enemies and calling in for help when needed. I can’t be the person who saved a keep because I was there to call for help- not in PvP.

I can’t run with my whole guild in PvP, I can’t enjoy the excitement of large-scale fights. Even if I feel like doing small group fighting, Roaming is better than PvP because trust me I just did some PvP a couple days ago and all it was was everyone zerging, keeping a group of 4-5 people together at all times so I end up dying in like 1v4s.

Crapgame.6519:

There are many who do like it though – I’m sure arena net will have statistics to represent what they want at the end of the day. Some of the /map chat I’m reading tonight is that they are jazzed – more WvW ranks which is 10x easier and faster with loot.

Champ farming / karma train if that is your thing. I gave it another hour – not my cup of tea.

Yeah I’m sure PvErs and Ktrainers love this crap- but they could already do it in EoTM. Why take WvW and turn it into another game mode, that WvW players don’t want? And what is even the purpose of WvW ranks in this game if people just farm them by Ktraining like zombies, without actually fighting anyone? There’s no value to ranks if it’s all just Golem Rushing or EoTM.

eithinan.9841:

Genavelle.9516:

I have received FOUR infractions in this forum since this Golem Event started,

this will get you another so you know

I’m sure it will. But it’s stupid what’s happening in this forum and all I really want is to be able to play the game without being forced to farm all day like a zombie. Why is Anet ignoring an entire portion of their playerbase? It makes no sense to me.

Osu.6307:

Qazmodon.1823:

You’re always creating PvE events on WvW maps.

How about an event where we can attack and kill people on PvE maps? Expand their horizons and shake their playing experience up for a week.

YES – seconded

The angry posts from pve’ers would certainly crash the forums.

The best would be bringing zergs into the most sacred of PvE world- SilverWastes and big boss events like Tequatl to just interrupt the mindless PvE farm and kill everyone.

“NOOO MY TEQUATL NOW I HAVE TO WAIT 2 MORE HOURS FOR MY CHESTS”

I thought I heard all the T1 servers fix their matches to all stay in T1 anyways- so not sure if any of them are really “the best” anyway. But “best” depends on what you’re looking for. A lot of the top-tier servers are simply the most populated ones, which means they have really big queues almost all of the time, and fighting is always blobby.

If you’re looking for less queues and more mid-small fights, you probably want to avoid T1 and T2, but also ask servers what they’re looking for. One thing I know is that when people see a good goldylox server (y’know not too big, not too small, not too blobby, good fights), it becomes a bandwagon, and that ruins it because it gets flooded and after a couple of months everyone abandons it for the next goldylox server anyway.

With this whole Golem Week, we have seen a lot of complaints, criticisms, and other commentary from WvW players. Most of those threads were then merged into a single “mega feedback thread”, which not only sounds more positive, but essentially makes all of the complaints useless because nobody is going to read through all those posts, and nobody can see the initial thread titles to understand what the specific complaints are about.

This megathread now has 800 posts in it. Let me spell that out for you: Eight-Hundred posts of people complaining about an event, explaining why it’s bad, and begging Anet to please end it and listen to our suggestions for once. Yet out of this 800-post thread, plus all of the other threads that were made later and are not merged, there is not a SINGLE post from Anet addressing this issue, or responding to our complaints.

I’m not really sure how Anet can be so blind to say things like we are a very minimal part of the population, don’t exist, and continue to ignore us when we can create 800 posts about a single event. How can we make all these posts telling them why it’s bad, asking for them to stop it, and not receive even a single post acknowledging us? How many posts and threads will it take to get a response?

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Plus, I want to point out that Anet has probably brought a lot of this upon themselves. I’m not a regular forum-goer, as the GW2 forums generally just make me angry and depressed, so I try to avoid them. However lately with such huge screw-ups like the guardian symbolic avenger bug, and this golem week, I have been finding myself coming to the forums more and more. I’m sure there are a lot of other WvW players who have been driven to the forums this week both out of boredom due to the Golem Event as well as just wanting to voice their opinion to Anet about the event. I have received FOUR infractions in this forum since this Golem Event started, and I am someone who barely ever even uses this forum. So Anet and Moderators, if you want to stop seeing my face around these forums, rather than giving me infractions and probably the upcoming ban/suspension I’m facing, how about you just listen to your players and quit forcing me to come to these forums- which I don’t even want to have to be in- by fixing your game, or at the very least, stop breaking it.

Biohazard.7523:

I think stability change is a great thing in wvw because a small group can harm a large group.
And yea they should start fixing their game, like bugs, and after fix they should add new content. But unfortunately they will just add new content

And new bugs.

Timelord.8190:

Now they will take money for things that they promised us in 2013. I’m losing my faith in this game day by day.

Maybe time move on to Black Dessert..

Yup, pretty sure I remember hearing that a new set of legendaries was coming soon like 2 years ago. No faith in this game or the devs anymore.

How about we try that whole “adopt a Dev” project again?

For one week, give every server at least one Dev, whose job for the week is to run with an assigned WvW guild. The guilds will volunteer for this and then take responsibility for showing the Dev around WvW, taking them on runs- big runs, roaming runs, gvgs, etc, try to expose them to at least a couple different time zones. The devs should be responsible for paying attention to any problems they encounter and taking notes.

At the end of the week, hopefully the devs will have a little bit of experience dealing with the queues/blobs of top tier servers, the underpopulation of bottom tier servers, and maybe get a better idea of how wvw playstyle works and what the wvw players want.

jgak.3056:

If only ANet had some kind of forum they could use to communicate with us……

Whoa! Careful there, don’t get too crazy.

eithinan.9841:

LoL. The reason wvw players HAVE to PvE is because that the only way to make any gold to continue to WvW. Take this condescending garbage and GFY.

Also see how many real WvW players would step out of WvW if the rewards were not atrocious.

Yup. The devs dont seem to realize that they force wvw players to play pve simply because its the only decent way to get money, gear, and other things you need to do wvw.

I mean for a while I got really into scouting, and I mean I loved scouting. But the problem with scouting is that I would literally make NEGATIVE profits. I had to spend money on upgrading, yet I dont even get the rewards of tons of loot bags like my friends because I would spend time scouting while they were doing raids.

Dont tell them to move reset to another day x_x next thing yknow, reset will be like Tuesday nights when nobody can stay up late

Can someone make this into a song?

LetoII.3782:

There’s pretty much a [WvW] on every server already.

Do you mean like the tag or what? Ik there are wvw guilds, but I guess since even a lot of those have to do pve like guild missions just to get upgrades and commendations and stuff, the devs dont consider them true wvw guilds. Let’s make one guild to just unite wvw players in one place and show we exist. A wvw mega-guild. It could be like tts and be multiple sub-guilds under one tag.

And the tag doesn’t have to be WvW if that’s too common already. Could be [XCPT] “We are the exception” or whatever, I’m open to suggestions

Since a lot of us have seen or heard about that interview in which Mike O’Brien states that there are NO purely WvW players and WvW players are the exception, and since anet doesn’t read our WvW forums, I had the idea to make a guild in which we unite as one force.

Sure we all enjoy killing each other and arguing who is the best server or most siege-reliant server and whatnot, but we all share the common interest of doing these things and wishing Anet could take better care of our gamemode, or at the very least, stop damaging it.

So would anyone else be interested in this? Just to make one unified [WvW] guild to show we exist and have numbers? No rep required or anything…just a way to bring WvW players together in a measurable place. And yknow you can rep if we do guild stuff or to discuss wvw with other players.

Tbh I’m really more here to make a point. Anet has stated that they dont think wvw players are a thing, and I am pretty sure they are going to destroy our game mode with the expansion. They dont read the wvw forums, I’m sure they check this forum because they’re trying SO hard to advertise and sell HoT. So I want to show them that a lot of their long-term players are going to end up leaving with this expansion if they dont give us a reason to stay.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Despite everything, I know the majority of us will buy the expansion because of the updates to the game and future Living Story content.

Look at it this way: You’re unlocking future, and free, content.

Don’t get it twisted. The expansion’s content, new class, or fluff are not its biggest selling points. Access to future Living Story, Seasonal, and Special Events episodes, achievements, and rewards are.

You’re completely missing my point. Did I say I cared about living story content? I am a primarily wvw player- pve updates and living story are NOT what I am concerned about, they are not why I play this game. And up til now, the wvw portion of the game has been largely neglected by anet, and what few updates we’ve seen have really done more to hurt the wvw player base/ playstyle than anything else.

So again, my question is for players who are not in love with the grindy farmfest pve has become, what reason do we have to spend any more money on this game?

Shiren.9532:

“Off hours” players are not second class players. Their time zone should be equal to everyone else’s. The concept of “Night Capping” is a very entitled and discriminatory view of the WvW community.

Every time zone is prime time for different players. No one time zone should be more important than the others. That’s the nature of a 24/7 match.

I don’t think anyone uses those terms in a discriminatory way? I think some people are just concerned because I’ve heard the new maps are going to be bigger, and therefore during time zones where your server has a low population, it will be harder to take care of the map because with bigger maps you need more people to cover the ground with scouting, roaming, defending, because running between all the points will take too long.

And sure every time zone is prime time for different players, but if you’re on a server where MOST of your players are NA, then your eu and oceanic hours are just going to be less populated, and therefore harder to defend/offend.

Y’know what might be an interesting idea for a special event in WvW? Well right now it’s all like..point-and-capture and stuff, but I’ve always really liked capture-the-flag type game-modes. I was thinking about this because of your “all out battle for smc” idea.

I mean let’s say each server has a flag at their EBG keep, and the objective is to get the flag and run it back to your own ebg keep. Their flag stays at your keep for an hour, and then respawns back in its original location. Your server gets extra points for capturing a flag, and maybe your server faces some kind of penalty for having your flag captured, or the flags give another bonus kinda how the ruins work. Like if you capture a flag, your server gets increased speed or damage or something. And maybe like in SMC there could be a white flag that is not owned by any server, but again you get bonus points for capturing it, and it has a longer respawn time.

This would all still lead to fights, because people will be attacking other keeps, which of course always brings big fights- so it’s not dramatically ruining WvW gameplay, just kind of adding a new little game into it. Plus, the Borderlands would stay the same, so anyone who REALLY doesn’t want to be involved can still play normally in those maps

FrizzFreston.5290:

All? Maybe. :p

But I would start with this one:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-objective-claiming-in-world-vs-world/

Does this mean a guild has to take responsibility for upgrading things they’ve claimed? So like…just claiming camps for +5 supply will mean that nobody else can then upgrade the camp until you’ve gone on and claimed something else? Or what?

And while all these new siege thingies and stuff like pact fleets and charr cars sound cool, how do they actually fit in with WvW play? Most WvW players are concerned about PvP fights, and fight tactics- not siege. Most WvW players actually MOCK people who rely on siege instead of coming out and fighting themselves.

Edit: LOL OMG. I hope everyone sees what happened here. Please, hear me out fellow WvWers.
I made this thread titled as “Why Should I Buy The Expansion?” in the HoT forum. I put it in that forum because I am talking about the expansion and asking what’s in it for me, why should I spend my money on it?
Well according to Anet, I shouldn’t. Someone moved this thread out of that forum into the WvW forum- I’m going to take that as the message “The expansion holds nothing for WvW, so this thread does not belong there, let me stick it in the WvW forum where nobody actually has to deal with it.”
But not only did they move it, they (for some reason) changed the title from “Why Should I Buy The Expansion?” to “My Opinion on WvW and HoT”- plus they did not even NOTIFY ME that they had changed the title, so I couldn’t even find my own thread.
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Sell it to me, Anet, players, anyone. Tell me why I should spend my money on the expansion.

I have a few worries that are making me seriously consider no buying the Expansion, and I would like to address them and maybe hear what will be done regarding them in upcoming content.

World Vs World: I am primarily a WvW player, so of course that makes me very pessimistic about this expansion. We have heard from devs that they don’t even believe primarily WvW players exist- basically we are just unicorns in the GW2 world: a myth. So is the new WvW map going to be a recreation of EoTM- just a big ktrain farm fest? Or are you actually working to create something for WvW players? Will anything be done to help bring back a sense of server pride, or balance out the servers so that we don’t have y’know servers of just blobs and blobs and T1 servers fixing their matches every week to keep T1 locked from other servers, and dead servers in the low tiers because everyone jumped ship to go to the server with the greenest grass? Right now WvW seems to just be this idea of “the grass on the other side is greener”, where people get bored of their server, for whatever reason, swap to a server that has been rumored to be great fun, which causes a chain reaction where the original server becomes emptied as everyone else follows suit or eventually gives up because there just aren’t enough people left for it to be fun. But then these green-grass bandwagon servers get so overwhelmed with players that they’re not fun anymore, they’re oversaturated and most people don’t want giant blob fights all day, so they hop servers again. And again. And again. Will we be getting any new WvW content? New things for guilds to use in WvW? Help for scouts, roamers, GvGs? What’s happening for us?

Secondly, I feel like the attitude in this game has become all about the constant farm. Everything that gets introduced into the game anymore is just a new way to farm or ktrain. Why? What happened to all that stuff I read years ago that made me want to buy this game, about redefining the MMO and ditching the old “grind grind grind” system? Because Anet, that’s exactly what you’ve turned this game into. If the expansion is just going to be all about farming, then I don’t want it.

Basically, if this expansion is going to finalize the death of WvW and continue to make GW2 into a giant ktrain, farm farm farm farm farm thing, let me know, because I’m not going to pay for that. I have to say that right now I actually have more fun coming to the forums to kitten and complain than I do playing the game, and I can come to the forums for free without paying for an expansion.

This is a good question. Although I’ll say I don’t think Server Transfers should just be free and easy all the time- mostly because I could see this just leading to people spying everywhere, just because they can.

But it would make sense to change the transfer system around after the Megaserver was created, I mean we all know WvW is not super profitable and transfers are expensive. I don’t think worrying about cheaper transfers affecting the balance of WvW is a valid criticism because that balance has already been thrown off so much simply by Anet ignoring problems for so long in the WvW world. I mean guilds already pay to transfer their members whenever their server gets too stale/blobby/empty right now anyway, everyone is transferring to the new best servers every couple months as it is.

But WHY should it be so expensive? Is it doing anything to make us pay so much? It’s not really stopping transfers, it’s not keeping all the servers evenly populated for WvW, so what even is the purpose?

Why was this thread not merged with the others?

I guess because it has a positive name and makes Anet look good? Idk.

Every guild should just make their own Golem kitten. Also can I save and use some of these pictures, maybe in a signature?

briggah.7910:

TJgalon.5012:

Don’t you earn karma during the normal wvw stuff too, so that karma train as well? I am confuse how your not earning karma during the normal wvw time, as I seem to do decently when i attack or defend my points.

Yes you get karma during normal wvw but there are a lot more fights to be had and people actually defend and upgrade stuff.. Most refer to karma trains as running around, not defending and just capping stuff over and over again. Karma train is just a term as I have 17+ million karma and really have no need for it..

Sorry to go off topic, but dude. There are ways to turn karma into money, which you should really invest in with all that karma lol.

Azel.4786:

ANET can’t say they weren’t warned by their playerbase that this would be a failure….

But we have best wait seated for them to acknowledge their mistake.

Thing is though, that when thinking of something special you need to think about the people you are catering too.

Just laughing it out with an event the community voiced discontent and said it was ill advised and they still shove it down their throats…. well, the community replied with empty maps and strong discontent in the forums.

Now we have to wait and see if this will that motivate them into next time actually thinking on their playerbase and actually improving the game mode / making special events catering to them or will they just ignore the WvW playerbase until they quit?

Well this is the problem, Anet doesn’t acknowledge that there even IS a WvW playerbase. We can even see in their interviews, they don’t think we exist. They are always going to cater to the PvE playerbase because…well I don’t know why, but that’s all they’ve done so far. The thing about special events like this golem rush is it’s really more an event to try and get PvE players to jump into WvW for a week and try it out- and since PvE players like to do things like nonstop farming and ktraining, Anet will make special events like a Golem Rush Week of nonstop ktraining.

Anet made an event catering to their playerbase just fine, they did what they intended to do- cater to PvE ktrainers. The problem is not that they don’t know how to please a target audience, the problem is that they refuse to acknowledge people actually want to play WvW for the fights instead of to ktrain.

Julie Yann.5379:

Do I agree with the Golem event? NO, but I don’t see how this could hurt WvW anymore than the past 3 years of stagnation, the seasons fiasco or the latest AoE blob meta. Instead of crying about it why not make the best of it and join the K-trai. Then turn all that karma into gold when it is all over.

Because it’s boring.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

No, those are different posts in the same thread, if you had bothered to follow them.

You said no posts…there are posts from the Devs. But, of course, if it doesn’t fit your agenda, it won’t count.

Still, good luck.

Okay I’m sorry, so it’s “This has been disabled because it’s broken”, “Okay it is not disabled anymore because it’s fixed”, “Cool ideas guys”, and “I’m seeing a lot of people saying ‘no rally’, thoughts?”

All of your other links were NOT in the Forum I’m talking about and therefore are not relevant- it has nothing to do with my “agenda”. And out of the four posts that are in the right forum, half of them are about something being bugged, and only one of them seems to actually be a sort of thoughtful response.

And again, that is in a thread discussing WvW special events- if you read the OP, it’s not even a completely serious thread, as it states you can post troll ideas. It’s suggestions for random WvW events that are not even general WvW play. And as we all know, these kinds of special events generally are more for targeting the beloved PvE audience as a way to get them to play WvW for a week while actual WvWers have to sit out because WvW gets overtaken by some stupid event that ruins actual WvW gameplay for a week.

For instance, I would really like to see the Devs respond to atleast one of the threads criticizing this Golem event, or the thread discussing how the devs seem to think nobody plays WvW as their main game-mode. But the Devs don’t respond to the issues we actually want addressed, just silly things like special events to cater to ktrainers and pve’ers.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Ideas-for-other-WvW-special-events

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Siege-Blueprint-Skill-Cancel-Build-Disabled

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Ideas-for-other-WvW-special-events/first#post5289303

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Siege-Blueprint-Skill-Cancel-Build-Disabled/first#post5269412

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuvtest/Leap-over-wall-at-flame-keep

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuvtest/Way-too-difficult-to-get-started

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuvtest/Resolved-July-9th-Desert-Borderlands-Stress-Test-Delayed

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuvtest/Resolved-July-9th-Desert-Borderlands-Stress-Test-Delayed/first#post5265747

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuvtest/WvW-Desert-Borderlands-Stress-Test/first#post5265381

There is just 2 1/2 pages of World vs. World -centeric Dev posts/threads from the Dev Tracker. (Sorry, got tired of pasting.) You can use it to find Dev posts in the sub-forum you are most interested, as well.

Good luck.

Okay first of all, you posted a couple of the same things twice. Look at the first 4 links, that’s really only 2 separate posts, not 4.

Also, almost all of these are in the Forum for the WvW beta testing of the new map, which is not at all what I’m talking about. I’m talking about suggestions and criticisms of the current WvW game mode, not a new map being tested.

And look at the links that are relevant. “We disabled this because it’s bugged”. “Cool ideas”. Is that really the kind of responses we want from the devs?

Agreed. Last week for Reset, me and my boyfriend stayed online and in WvW for about 3 and a half hours, logging off at 12:30.

Last night? I’m pretty sure we were bored after about 20 minutes, and our guild raid was finished around 10- an hour after reset.

And not only is this about fun- but let’s talk about money and farming, because that’s what Anet seems to cater to. Reset is one of the most profitable nights for a WvWer, because there are so many good fights and everyone is pumped up and ready to stay up late. It’s hard enough to make money in WvW as it is, but now you have taken away essentially a week and one reset of farming away from us- while at the same time prompting people to spend lots of money on golems to do this stupid event.

I’m going to be honest and say I don’t exclusively play WvW, and for a long time I only did PvE. However, since I have started playing WvW a year and some months ago, it has become my MAIN gamemode to play. I even stopped doing Fractals, my favorite dungeon, for about a year after starting WvW. Occasionally I still do PvE or PvP when I need to take a break from WvW and try something different, or y’know when I need money..But again, WvW has become my home in this game. It’s not a side thing, it’s not a mini-game. It is the most interesting and entertaining form of end-game content GW2 has.

If Anet would actually work on WvW instead of ignoring it all the time, I’m sure more people would play it/keep playing as well. If Anet would give WvW players more resources to make money and whatnot, I’m sure plenty of WvW players would ONLY play WvW, too.

So to be clear, Mike O’Brien and all you Anet people, if there is nobody out there who exclusively plays WvW, it is not because there is nobody who wants to- it is because you make it impossible to exclusively play WvW.

Why are there never any Dev posts/comments/responses in the WvW forum? Pretty much almost all the time, us WvW players have to play this game feeling like we’re being neglected by the devs and Anet- so of course, people post in the forums to make suggestions for things that would help improve the WvW experience, and feedback on things that hurt that experience (like the millions of threads criticizing this Golem Event right now).

However, every time I look in the WvW forums I never see any threads with the red color indicating a Dev has responded to it. This, along with the fact that the devs seem to think things like an entire week of golem nonsense is actually GOOD for WvW, leads me to believe that none of you ever step foot into the WvW forums and read anything WvW players have to say in the first place. This is a little disheartening because if I want to give you feedback on something, I feel like “what’s even the point? They’re never going to see this thread anyway”. And since I can’t seem to find any other kind of Feedback forum, this has led me to come into this forum and bluntly address the issue of why is nobody reading our threads?

I do kinda miss these animations…They were fun for taking cool screenshots of your character, and just help keep your character feeling alive. After playing the game for several years, things start to get stale and I mean this is just a little thing but c’mon. I’ve been with my main for a long time and you get attached to your characters. It’s nice when you’re standing around chatting or crafting or selling stuff to see your character moving a bit and looking like she’s a person in a world, and not just a stick standing there.

Look now Anet has disabled the trait so the bug won’t happen until they actually fix it, a lot thanks to Maguuma doing their guardian zergs and getting people to make a big fuss about it.

Also to everyone kittening about Maguuma “exploiting” and nonsense, you need to realize that Maguuma does not even CARE about PPT. Honestly half the time Maguuma tries to NOT PPT because they do NOT want to be pushed into T2. Also ANYONE on ANY server could have done the same thing they did, so it’s not like it was something ONLY Maguuma could benefit from. Maguuma wasn’t doing this to win the week or get PPT, it was to make a point to Anet that this bug is ridiculous and needs to be fixed. Sure, it was funny and we got a fair amount of exp and karma, but so could have you or anyone else.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

It is still exploiting a bug, especially to take down a gate in 10 seconds regardless if they are going to ban on it or not. That doesn’t change a fact.

“The current skill state (or balance) is not going to fall under a situation where we would consider it an “abuse of a bug” or “exploitation of a bug”.”

-quoted from a dev in the Dev Tracker.

Just because you WANT it to be an exploit, doesn’t mean it is. Also, I saw groups do it in much less than 10 seconds. So while this isn’t an “exploit”, yes it is a very serious bug and I hope Anet addresses it soon. It’s honestly dumb how fast a group can ktrain any map right now, and I’ve heard complaints about it in the context of world bosses and dungeons as well.