He could make some small profit margin if players are stupid enough, but then again people that want to buy precursor has been following that market for a long time and know the reasonable price it goes for.
I just saw TP war going on in Orich Ore market. multiple 2000 stack order. I laughed my kitten off and held off my purchase. So I just let them ride, they will be punished in the end for bidding so high.
Add a Timer to invasion event, tell people when it will be over. If this is going to a long term addition, I am just sitting here in Divinity Reach and wondering when the event will be over.
Not sure what your comment refers to, there is no mentioning of high frequency trading in the post… Would be helpful with some clarification…
HFT is a program developed to monitor the market and make money off through price spreads. It can get much more complex than what I described, but it sounded people are making things that a real world investment bank/hedge fund would do.
Kinda funny and interesting. To be honest, if it is not against the rule, I would like to make one just for kicks, and see how much money it makes and lose
Problem with some of the commanders, they are a ….holes…. that do not take criticism well. Just because he/she shelled out 100g, does not mean they are good at what they do. However, most of commander do think they are the best.
The fact is that there are open source projects out that allow interaction with the Trading Post, these atm dont use the buy features officially due to it being classified as automating ingame behavior which is disallowed.
However its very easy to add such behaviors so that bots can track orders and quickly update the order if it gets outbid. It will not be instant due to protocol and polling delays for getting the new data but it would be very responsive either way.
The bad sideeffect of a bot is that they basically can corner markets, tracking several hundred items without problems and implement a “trading strategy” with good turnaround since it can track several hundred bids without problems.
This basically means over time that each profitable “strategy” will be occupied by bots and manual TP players will not have markets to play anymore. It also means that bots might compete with each other thus eliminating their own internal profit margins…
In the end well see very little TP profit margins if bots are running rampant, which in turn is actually favorable for drop farming, go figure…
So your #3 allow your AOE dmg to do same dmg as single target skill, as well as with added benefit of AOE???
Talk about bias… Moving on, nothing to see here
hence the second posting, dont want a linear scaling, so that single DPS isnt outscaled, please read again or yes leave, I dont need people like you which dont read the entire thing and then just bash, you contribute to nothing in the discusssion, so I guess good riddance.
Your posts are extremely bias. Of course it needs some bashing. This is not a suggestion, this thread is all about you you you. Power trip the Ele especially.
Learn to think in grand scheme of thing, not so narrowly on one class that you main is.
2. if GW2 were to implement a direct trading system where people didn’t have to worry about getting scammed then the producer could sell directly to the consumer and you’d probably see less profit come out of flipping.
Without a trading post the fraction of wealth siphoned off by traders would dwarf what you currently see in game.
Can you explain why? And I’m not saying no trading post, just that there be a trading post and also another outlet where, if people are unhappy with the pricing they can go elsewhere. (Again, not advocating, just saying that the system we operate in is not the only potential system out there)
it is the most fair system. fair to the buyer and fair to the seller. People always forget the seller in the equation.
It’s actually very useful, you just need to apply a little work.
Think of what you know. You know that many, many people play the content, which means you know the distribution is dense.
Knowing the general shapes of dense distributions, apply a tail to each side, but I told you I eliminated one tail.
Now you have several possible models of total wealth gain for the content that you can get pretty accurate with only the one number. The individual isn’t important for what you’re attempting to learn, only the aggregate.
log normal distribution or normal distribution can give a significant different result. Furthermore, we do not have standard deviation information as well as total number of active players. (unless I use that Guildwars 2 China launching number)
furthermore, the command to show total gold in the world has also been eliminated/restricted. I cannot tell even with above information, what % increase is the money supply. I assume you have all above information.
Median is pretty worthless in this case. If 70% of the players made 2g but the other 30% made 10,000 gold then you’ve still introduced a huge amount of gold into the economy and caused significant inflation even though the median is only 2g.
Average would be much more meaningful, but of course you can’t give that due to the massive number it would be and the panic and fear of inflation it would cause…
lol 10000 gold? I’m not even sure where you’re pulling those numbers from
he is using a mathematical example…. are you an elementary students?
not really, but everyone knows anet has usually enough gold sink to send away most of the gold. Also, the highest gold makers are still the same people: the big guys trading all day on TP making hundreds daily, so I don’t see any issue.
Then you should get his point. Median # that Adam Smith gave was useless.
Median is pretty worthless in this case. If 70% of the players made 2g but the other 30% made 10,000 gold then you’ve still introduced a huge amount of gold into the economy and caused significant inflation even though the median is only 2g.
Average would be much more meaningful, but of course you can’t give that due to the massive number it would be and the panic and fear of inflation it would cause…
lol 10000 gold? I’m not even sure where you’re pulling those numbers from
he is using a mathematical example…. are you an elementary students?
Big FPS player here and I have to say all this talk about story in FPS games is making me go.
“Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? That game had a story?”
I have to admit that there are certain games I play for story and certain ones I could care less. MMORPG and FPS games fall into that latter category just let me shoot some people online.
multiplayer FPS dont need story, it needs players to play with.
MMORPG is not multiplayer FPS, and it should have lore and proper story outline. HOWEVER, if you are going apply some story mission, then do it justice. Else, don’t do it. Look at Lineage 2, kittttyyyyyy what story?
I hate it. Other events , especially temple events are being ignored now, and I’ve never seen such hostility towards eachother before this patch, to any1 who actually tries to complete the event…
It kitten ed me off the other day, all this champion farm because, I was working on completing the Balthazar temple event with 10 players or so. The escort to main event just started, and what few people that were doing the event, suddenly RUSHED to kill a random champion giant nearby, and event failed before it started.
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This champion farm has done more bad then good, nerf it asap.
COF p1 elite farmer has to go somewhere you know. My idea, lock them in a map like the Queen pavilion with merchant that sell legendary. None of the loot they get are allowed on TP nor can they buy things from TP, so their stuffs stay within their bubble. POLICE STATE, muahahahahahahhahahahaha!
honestly i don’t want to see a nerf.. alot of players earn big bucks because of hype and new skins.. but as you can see now the prices are being stabilize now and getting lower.. but if the nerf comes — prices will rise up again and the wealthy ppl becomes wealthier..
what? ok layman term time, inflation increase price, keep injecting the money without nerf… then you will see price keep on increasing.
Ember farming is exactly what GW2 needed, it promotes getting a group together to do events. What Arenanet need to do now is tweak it so that it’s more beneficial to complete the event.
Co-ordinating an event chain is way better than waypointing from champ to champ, if you removed the incentives for doing events like ember then all you are left with are waypoint farming.
I’d much rather do event chains than farming a champ rotation.
I just want to point out, we agree. The game is more fun and exciting when defeating things and working together with other players is rewarding. Champions have always been an issue in this area, and it’s why we addressed it, we’re continuing to pursue other areas in the game in upcoming releases as well.
That being said: the behavior we want is people join up together to play events, but they want to succeed those events and win them, we never want to be in a state where intentionally failing an event is more rewarding or better for players. We’re not going to take a giant hammer to champion loot, we love it and love seeing people joining together to do events. We do want to make succeeding events what the game is about. We also do want to make some events in the future even more challenging, and in return more rewarding for succeeding.
You will see changes over time to help directly encourage players to always want to try and succeed events, we don’t ever want to create conflict between players who want to progress an event chain, and those who want to fail it. It’s bad for the game and not what Gw2 is all about.
NERF HAMMER TIME FOR Champ in events. muahahahahhahha, its HAMMER TIME. hammer hammer hammer hammer!
Add better reward for completing event instead of 1.6 silver, just saying.
But make no mistake. If you didn’t make your Gold from the Queen’s Gauntlet, or Champion farming, you’ll be left behind in terms of wealth. That’s why it’ll be interesting to see how Anet responds to this.
This is incredibly hyperbolous. In the last week, the median player earned less than 3 gold in the new content (that’s discounting all players who earned less than 1 gold).
I think that just reinforces the point made. The median player earned less then 3 gold but many others have made hundreds by farming the pavilion and other champions.
I don’t think you understand what median means.
I am sure he knows what median mean, it is just he thinks he can get away with it from the Avg joe with no knowledge of basic high school level stats.
lol, this reeks of market manipulation. I just checked the listing. It basically listing was like 1 unit, 1unit, 2 unit, THEN BANG the lowest price is 10 unit of the same recipe. LOL, somebody bought all of the recipe at lower price and dumping it back
I think it was pretty obvious guys. Isn’t ecto up 22s or so?
The market has waaay to many gold faucets right now.
I don’t think nerfing the rate of rares/boxes/mats should be nerfed, but the amount of silver from the boxes definitely should.
Yes, ecto price has been climbing. It could also mean the opportunity cost of farming the daily world boss is increasing, since champ can be more profittable. Less rare = less ectos. I farmed champ a bit, and I noticed the gold generation is not that good, I get tons of greens from those bags.
You also get 5 to 8 silver per box, chance for rare/exotics (which sells from 18s to 45g), chance for tier 6 mats and chance for cores/lodestones.
Your math is wrong :p
What math? and Aren’t we saying the same thing? (That champ is more worthwhile than World Boss?)
But make no mistake. If you didn’t make your Gold from the Queen’s Gauntlet, or Champion farming, you’ll be left behind in terms of wealth. That’s why it’ll be interesting to see how Anet responds to this.
This is incredibly hyperbolous. In the last week, the median player earned less than 3 gold in the new content (that’s discounting all players who earned less than 1 gold).
What is the total gold that has been created by this event?
Median is good way to not account for the outliers, but inflation is about how much gold in total generated.
However, you have 500 players that made 2 gold, 1 player made 3 gold, and then 500 players made 1000 gold. The median is still at 3 gold. You see the problem with median?
No but Anet’s definition of “Botting” DOES. …I know what ya mean though, IOW: “hooking” into the DLL’s to create your own A.I. entity that controls your character. I’ve actually seen one who’s probably still running around the back of Fort Trinity right NOW … and it is soooo advanced… that I’m not even sure I want to Report it yet. If I do, it’ll be to tell Anet to find the guy who Programmed it and HIRE HIM to improve their own A.I. b/c it’s just amazing how effective this thing is at avoiding direct DPS spam. And it probably appears so lifelike to everyone else that they wouldn’t even realize it’s a bot that’s literally there 24 hours out of the day. It also probably provides atleast 10% of all the lemon grass supplied into the economy every week during events that draw players away from zones like these.
maybe it is a real person farmer team rotating hahahaha.
The story in GW2 is HORRENDOUS, as I said many time before. The cutscene of two persons standing around and talk is just… lazy. However, cutscene can be forgiven, but the story is JUNK material
I think it was pretty obvious guys. Isn’t ecto up 22s or so?
The market has waaay to many gold faucets right now.
I don’t think nerfing the rate of rares/boxes/mats should be nerfed, but the amount of silver from the boxes definitely should.
Yes, ecto price has been climbing. It could also mean the opportunity cost of farming the daily world boss is increasing, since champ can be more profittable. Less rare = less ectos. I farmed champ a bit, and I noticed the gold generation is not that good, I get tons of greens from those bags.
^Yeah I do a similar thing with mine where I have the CLIENT-SIDE modifier for pushing “Free Camera” for a split second while the Server action is the 180 turn…. It’s really useful for this kind of movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N426fJIt-AQ
Botting macros go a good ways beyond that by including exact time delays and multple presses of those buttons in specific sequences.
I dont think Bot use things as simple as macro…
But a macro could be used to bot with.
I’ll admit this (won’t ever go back to the game anyway)…..
Aion. You have something like a 20% proc chance when crafting to get a higher quality item. Some recipes require you to use a higher quality item as an ingredient. So to have a decent shot at getting a higher quality of the latter, then you need a couple of the former. In the end you end up needing ridiculous amounts of mats (were talking in the thousands).
Luckily nodes spawn in the exact same place and in a couple minutes (something like 10 min) of being used.
Also, if you press the button for gathering and you are close enough, you will automatically run over and gather.
It was before I had the hardware to macro with so I used a virtual keyboard and set up a macro that would cause me to bounce between two nodes simply by getting the keyboard to press the button over and over with enough of a pause to prevent an interrupt. I then went to bed and left it going.
I would have to say that that is probably what would be not allowed as a macro in GW2.
Do you really think that Anet management, having hired a professional (and no doubt fairly well paid) economist to keep the in-game economy from self-destructing would allow developers to make changes to the game that could potentially do just that without consulting the economist (the one they are giving a nice paycheck to) about it?
That would be like driving on the interstate and forgetting that the car has a brake pedal.
^Yeah I do a similar thing with mine where I have the CLIENT-SIDE modifier for pushing “Free Camera” for a split second while the Server action is the 180 turn…. It’s really useful for this kind of movement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N426fJIt-AQ
Botting macros go a good ways beyond that by including exact time delays and multple presses of those buttons in specific sequences.
I still have a huge stockpile of recipes that I got from the Zephyr Supply Boxes, and I jsut banked them in hopes that prices would rise. Seems like I will need to do some price checking when I log on later.
Same, just don’t know who would want these stats. They don’t fit in anywhere other than it looks cool to have a wall of stats lol. Guess i will make some gold when I get home if people are actually paying these prices.
I sense some incoming big ticket items for sale from vendors…
That’s one way to create a Gem sink. But I’m really interested in how John and Anet approaches this situation. I’m sure they have some tricks up their sleeves. Because the farming is so wide spread, each day that there isn’t a fix, that means more currency saturates the game world.
