Guild Wars 2

Pay no mind to the naysayers. Congrats on your accomplishment. That’s a lot of WvW dedication.

Mr Whodey.6591:

Don’t know why TC 60 man zergs need open field ac’s for 30 people…embarrassed that TC was the server i started on, that recruiting rampage TC went on really watered down their talent. I think you should recruit some more you haven’t completely killed tier 2 wvw yet. Loving my first couple days on FA by the way!!!!

Most of us hate open field siege as much as any other server. The stuff is horrible. Please don’t lump all of TC into something you saw one group do. Also, it’s hard to stop militia from building random siege that random other militia drop in the field. Once it’s built, it’s hard to stop militia from using it.

Also, as far as 60 man zergs go, blobbing is a fail tactic that proves nothing. If people are blobbing, they’re compensating for a loss they deserve to suffer. ~25 EP and ~15 PiNK+Militia yesterday laid waste repeatedly to an enemy map-blob.

SnakeMx.3784:

CD, I introduce you the Tc Blobs. They never engage on open field fighting unless they outnumber the enemy 10 to 1.

If that doesn’t happen, they run to the closer tower or WP out.

That really depends on the group. In EP we generally like to fight outnumbered, but it’s hard to find zergs that will fight guild groups these days unless it’s like 70v30. :-/ But yeah, militia zergs are hit and miss when it comes to “even numbered” matchups. It’s hard, as a commander, to know what to do. If you lose the fight, you stand to lose 40-50% of the militia following you. :-(

Last week was pretty cool because there was a lot of guild-on-guild action taking place. I think having Agg transfer to Mag really helped with that. Contagious mentality or something…

In any case, the running from fights thing isn’t specific to any server, and certainly not T1/TC. We all see it happen all the time.

DevonCarver.5370:

I wanted to chime in a bit here. We appreciate that people really enjoy organizing their own combat in WvW and we are very aware of it. We’ve been discussing what can be done about that. However, WvW is its own game type and it requires attention specific to it. We are focused on making WvW as fun as it can possibly be and we will continue to make changes to WvW with that in mind. Our decisions regarding WvW will always have the needs of WvW paramount.

With all due respect to you and your position, please spend a little time in the future finding out what the needs of WvW are in the eyes of the people who put the most into it. A lot of us can’t help but feel that you and your team are entirely out of touch with what players actually want and need out of WvW in order to keep playing it.

Various Topics:
1) GvG (i know, the great taboo, and I’ll get it out of the way first) is part of WvW presently, and a very big part of it. Many guilds are either taking part in a match or actively training for their next one any time they’re in WvW. It seems like you all keep using phrases like “player organized combat” and “open field combat” when you refer to this, and I think we players all agree that it’s time to recognize that it’s here to stay, and when you change things that affect players’ ability to do it, you hurt a portion of WvW. These players are not going to decide that PPT (which many have lost interest in) is suddenly an exciting prospect.

2) The PPT game, at present, is flawed deeply in that the present matchup system makes it largely irrelevant. Players want more variety, yes, but they want a challenge that they feel is possible to succeed in as well. Yes, people care about their “ratings,” but they care about the ability to win the week a lot more. Most matchups are decided before the first fight every happens. :-/ I think the change to the matchup system ranks up there with making server transfers no longer free as the single most damaging thing to WvW that’s occured thusfar.

3) Content. While we all love the new ranking system and rewards (really, they’re great), we want, more than anything, major overhauls and changes to the present maps. New maps, or cataclysmic changes to the present ones. The balance across all maps is inherently broken, and people have been pointing out specifically why since the game launched. We’d all love to see some real CHANGE.

4) Listening to player’s feedback. When you come up with an idea like reintroducing the orbs, players almost universally said “do not bring them back with gameplay-altering stat boosts.” Players wanted things like MF boosts, GF boosts, the same stats as the outmanned boost, etc. Players feel utterly ignored when you come out and go against all the feedback that was provided. This is NOT a GvG issue (while it does also affect GvG). The fact is, that with the new way you want to do it, you still guarantee that the team with the most coverage will almost universally control the buff. That’s completely broken, and it’s sad to see the decision was made anyway.

Thesilentflute.8761:

lol I always have to go back to this you guys are less than 1% of the games population I hate to be this guy, but you don’t matter. They will have GvG at some point, but it will also most likely be something to complex for you guys to understand. If you don’t like the game go play something else we will see you when you get back. Time to go bb for reset.

Your math has been proved incorrect on that point. Several times now, actually.

Az z.2746:

Hickeroar.9734:

CC Danicia.1394:

MartyPartys.9187:

Thank you for taking a look into the GvG scene thread, you are the first to recognize our existence, I appreciate it. The reason GvG was being spammed all over is just because everyone before you simply ignores us.

I understand it’s really childish and the stream was not about GvG so our questions were out of place, I apologize, but is there any chance we will get an official reply if “Guild vs Guild” is something Anet is thinking about, considering at all?

I’m not on the design team, so I cannot reply for them. That being said, I can make note of it in my feedback reports.

We know Twitch chat doesn’t make it easy for everyone to be heard. And we know that it can seem that no one is watching these threads. The great thing is that for every respectful and constructive post & thread, it DOES get greater visibility.

So thank you; the Community Team does appreciate it!

With respect, people have been asking politely over and over and over for an entire year. You’re seeing a year of pent up frustration from people who have been patently ignored.

All we want is a real response. Do you plan on officially supporting GvG? Yes or no? One word. That’s all we want.

As things are going right now, I’d be happy with them just not actively destroying the scene.

Hear, Hear…..

All anyone wants is a one word answer to this question (yes/no/eventually/etc):

Do you plan on officially supporting a GvG game mode to replace the WvW-GvG integration being used presently.

If you’re feeling kind you can let us know if you’re presently working on it, or if it’s just “on the radar” at the moment.

That’s….all we want.

CC Danicia.1394:

MartyPartys.9187:

Thank you for taking a look into the GvG scene thread, you are the first to recognize our existence, I appreciate it. The reason GvG was being spammed all over is just because everyone before you simply ignores us.

I understand it’s really childish and the stream was not about GvG so our questions were out of place, I apologize, but is there any chance we will get an official reply if “Guild vs Guild” is something Anet is thinking about, considering at all?

I’m not on the design team, so I cannot reply for them. That being said, I can make note of it in my feedback reports.

We know Twitch chat doesn’t make it easy for everyone to be heard. And we know that it can seem that no one is watching these threads. The great thing is that for every respectful and constructive post & thread, it DOES get greater visibility.

So thank you; the Community Team does appreciate it!

With respect, people have been asking politely over and over and over for an entire year. You’re seeing a year of pent up frustration from people who have been patently ignored.

All we want is a real response. Do you plan on officially supporting GvG? Yes or no? One word. That’s all we want.

Pinko.2076:

“Borderland Bloodlust” Time to move GvG’s to the JP.

If the bloodlust stacks the same way and can be removed by being downed, it could still be made to work….

saiyr.3071:

They should just make that capture point 4x the size and then we can GvG on it. It has stands and everything!!

I had the same thought… One big arena with a capture point in the middle. Too bad we got five small arenas in a high traffic area.

Kreamciqul.4617:

I think it’s safe to say that if our guild couldn’t GvG, most of us would quit the game.

This sentiment is pretty popular… EP has had several conversations in mumble agreeing upon this. If ANet breaks our ability to GvG, most of us are gone. It’s the only end-game left to a lot of people at this point…

Joey.2769:

These devs just don’t understand…

I have serious doubts that any of the devs or “decision people” involved spend any real time in WvW at all. They grossly misunderstand their community.

insanemaniac.2456:

CC Danicia.1394:

oZii.2864:

That’s your own fault he is a WvW dev not a GvG developer. Spamming GvG doesn’t even ask a question its 3 letters.

Thanks for that! Yes, we do ask that folks stay on topic to the theme of the Livestream. We don’t want to discourage questions, but our team was moderating the folks spamming “GvG” over and over, which made us miss some great questions incoming about WvW.

i think hugh answered 2 noob questions that any wvw vet couldve answered?

what great questions did you miss / he skip?

This. ANet has said time and time again that there will continue to be new masteries added. Why was that question chosen as legitimate? I have doubts that it was even asked in the first place.

CC Danicia.1394:

oZii.2864:

That’s your own fault he is a WvW dev not a GvG developer. Spamming GvG doesn’t even ask a question its 3 letters.

Thanks for that! Yes, we do ask that folks stay on topic to the theme of the Livestream. We don’t want to discourage questions, but our team was moderating the folks spamming “GvG” over and over, which made us miss some great questions incoming about WvW.

GvG happens in WvW. They were, therefore, questions about WvW.

People started spamming it because you guys consistently ignored legitimately asked questions about it. The spamming NEVER would have happened if you guys had just stopped for two seconds and answered the questions one way or the other. Stop patronizing us.

oZii.2864:

Hickeroar.9734:

So the livestream turned into everyone watching spamming chat asking for a comment on GvG. They were completely ignored. It was literally an entire chat pane filled with “GvG” over and over. Then ANet started muting people who were asking about GvG. I asked three times over five minutes and was muted for 10 minutes.

Instead we get orb capture points. Lovely. Something no one asked for and no one wants.

Way to completely ignore your community. So irritated right now.

That’s your own fault he is a WvW dev not a GvG developer. Spamming GvG doesn’t even ask a question its 3 letters.

GvG just came up recently in the WvW section you think anyone would have a response for you this soon? The best you would have probably gotten was “We have started discussing it” that’s the best you would have gotten.

This thread was created 5 days ago all that is going to happen is your going to keep getting frustrated because you demand answers Asap.

What did you even want answered? You want a new map for GvG only when there is a thread for debated rules on GvG in the first place. So you want arena net to read mines of what the established ruleset is for GvG’s?

You have to provide them with the answers to your questions it would probably require it’s own balance because I don’t see many rangers getting alot of play in GvG’s that would require the skills and balance teams to make is so that classes are viable in conquest and GvG’s which essentially is organized team deathmatch in open field and PvE.

They can’t click a button and make it happen it’s going to take time frustration is understandable but you would have less frustration when you actually think about everything on their part to make something happen that they probably didn’t plan on.

GvG happens in WvW. People have been asking about it since beta, as I already said.

They created and released 9 fractals in TWO MONTHS. They create large amounts of content every two weeks that is released (including whole new zones). They have revamped and added a constant stream of features to the PvP arena (which they’re still blindly hoping will become an e-sport…..though there’s no chance at all that it will).

Don’t tell me they can’t add a simple GvG arena for people with far less effort than any of that took.

MartyPartys.9187:

Hickeroar.9734:

So the livestream turned into everyone watching spamming chat asking for a comment on GvG. They were completely ignored. It was literally an entire chat pane filled with “GvG” over and over. Then ANet started muting people who were asking about GvG. I asked three times over five minutes and was muted for 10 minutes.

Instead we get orb capture points. Lovely. Something no one asked for and no one wants. The center of the borderlands map will now turn into a 24/7 endless small-scale brawl. Too bad we already have sPvP for that….

Way to completely ignore your community. So irritated right now.

I laughed my kitten off, the admin was desperatly trying to delete all GvG comments but there were too many, then the word GvG got filtered and if you typed it you got banned for 6 minutes.

It’s sad, but quite funny. At least they can’t say they never heard anyone asking for it..

Oh and for the buffs, it’s going to be that your server has to hold 3/5 capping circles, so if you were going to GvG just let the 3rd server take all the points and it’s ok

Griefers are never going to let this happen.

My mind is blown at how intentionally blind ANet is being on the GvG issue. People have been asking for it since beta. It was only a matter of time before it hit a fever pitch.

Did you catch if the buffs are map specific or WvW/game-world wide?

So the livestream turned into everyone watching spamming chat asking for a comment on GvG. They were completely ignored. It was literally an entire chat pane filled with “GvG” over and over. Then ANet started muting people who were asking about GvG. I asked three times over five minutes and was muted for 10 minutes.

Instead we get orb capture points. Lovely. Something no one asked for and no one wants. The center of the borderlands map will now turn into a 24/7 endless small-scale brawl. Too bad we already have sPvP for that….

Way to completely ignore your community. So irritated right now.

^ Also a good point. I think 5 and 10 man GvGs could easily find a place in the JP for their matches. If this spot in the JP turns out to be “even” and “fair” we can test it out with 15v15 and 20v20 scrimmages. I’ll try to get on tonight and make some videos before reset and see what people think. (assuming I can get a port up there)

Thesilentflute.8761:

saiyr.3071:

Thesilentflute.8761:

I am a Tpvpers aswell only 460 people in NA have more wins than myself

I would like to know your actual ranking (PS your win ranking is only 501 right now) so we know how expert you are

Yea like I said I have not played in 2 months I was 310 then 460 last i checked now it looks like 501 sad face. My rank is like 89% soloing in team I have not done any solo. Lol does the GvGer want to give me some tips lol.

So you admit to having missed almost the entire rise of organized GvG? GvG has only exploded in popularity in NA in the last two months or so, and you admit to having seen almost none of it?

What in the world are you even doing here? I am completely baffled.

Thesilentflute.8761:

Zikory that was what I was getting at. “GvG” still effects wvw on servers that are less organized then we are this will stunt progression and kill competition. What is the harm in me tracking the effect none right.

Progression? Progression….where?

The present system randomly progresses different servers every week. There’s no real game of “progression” anymore.

MartyPartys.9187:

Has anyone taken into account that if you get blown off the cliff you’re out of the match?

Oh and my apologies to Lion, the leaderboard has been fixed.

Occupational Hazard :-P

I actually really like adding opponent players to party and chatting with them. Just because they’re on a different server doesn’t mean they’re a dirtbag. I’ve met a lot of great people this way who now sit on my friends list. Some of them I talk to pretty regularly.

Thesilentflute.8761:

Listen I used your guys proposed numbers even though they are most likely under the actual number. If your guilds use more than 20 people there is no documents to support it. You gave me a incorrect estimation incorrectly I gave you the proper numbers and the proper totals; I am sorry you don’t like the answer. I was just doing the math for fun anyway.

Can you please respond to this? https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Teir-1-NA-and-the-way-it-is-effected-by-GvG/page/4#post2688126

I really wanna see that spot your talked about in the JP. If you’re able, can you take a few screenshots from different angles and locations? There’s also an area to the north of the spawn area that might work. I’ll have to scout that out. A lot easier to get to…

I think there would have to be lots of trial runs in any given location that was chosen so we could determine if it’s fair. Teams switching sides, etc. I don’t think anyone would be willing to just permit a new location without any real trial period and lots of scrimmages.

Someone has clearly forgotten that the OP was originally whining that the GvG community was hurting his server’s PPT. I still want an explanation as to how such a tiny percentage of players sitting on a hill can supposedly vastly alter the PPT of the “normal players who are dedicated to PPT.”

Math aside, the OP’s argument is fundamentally at odds with itself. It’s broken and false.

Wompage.4586:

Thesilentflute.8761:

Lol xenn that was the reason she had to times it by two because I counted both na and eu. I think she is counting each gvg team as 75 people which is ridiculous.

Aren’t you counting each GvG guild as 20? Equally ridiculous

Yeah, EP currently has over 150 members. Maybe only 20 GvG at a time. That doesn’t mean only 20 GvG at all. That goes for any GvG-centric guild. Rethesis has a ton of members. I’m positive they change up who is GvGing.

Wompage.4586:

Hickeroar.9734:

Wompage.4586:

Hickeroar.9734:

Also, maybe abandoning the “flat, even terrain” could be good for GvG. Fighting in the ruins while having to deal with cover, terrain, etc, could make for some very interesting fights.

It needs to be even, no matter what side you start from though.

Sorry, even as in “fair,” yes, absolutely.

Even as in “square and (mostly) flat” just happens to be the present meta, but that doesn’t mean it has to be that way.

I mean 1 side can’t have an advantage based on which side they choose to start from. Thats what I mean by even.

Righto. I agree. One would argue that the current windmill arena is not entirely “fair” in that regard, so I think we could shoot for at least that level of “fair” and be fine.

I don’t have a problem with hazards, terrain, and structures though, as long as (as you said) the starting positions don’t give an advantage. I personally think that kind of fighting could be fun. It’s at least something to think about anyway….?

Wompage.4586:

Hickeroar.9734:

Also, maybe abandoning the “flat, even terrain” could be good for GvG. Fighting in the ruins while having to deal with cover, terrain, etc, could make for some very interesting fights.

It needs to be even, no matter what side you start from though.

Sorry, even as in “fair,” yes, absolutely.

Even as in “square and (mostly) flat” just happens to be the present meta, but that doesn’t mean it has to be that way.

Fuzzion.2504:

I hope TC replaces SoR next week for a T1matchup

:-D That’d be a fun matchup.

Wompage.4586:

To those people saying “go the JP, problem solved” show me a spot in the jumping puzzle with enough room for 40 combatants + spectators, please.

There are a couple places that you could probably have a 20v20, and there are some high spots out of the way that the spectators could stand. I’ll do some scouting in there this weekend and see if I can find anything good.

Also, maybe abandoning the “flat, even terrain” could be good for GvG. Fighting in the ruins while having to deal with cover, terrain, etc, could make for some very interesting fights.

Okaishi.8320:

If the orbs will give stat boosts, maybe it’s an idea to move to the JP for the GvGs? It’s probably not as convenient as behind the mill as there’s less space, but there might be a few locations there that would do, and as it’s a seperate map neither of the guilds should be getting any of the stat bonuses.

It depends if the stat boost is WvW-wide, or map specific. There are actually a few spots in the EBG JP that might work for GvG if it came for that. Not as big as the windmill area though. Honestly the terrain there would make for some interesting fights that would encourage guilds to think more “tactically” about where/how they engaged.

The biggest problem with this is that EBG is usually the first map to queue, thus making it hard to get into the JP sometimes.

Science.6709:

Hey guys what’s the score?

What’s a score?

Thesilentflute.8761:

Lol if “GvG” is the only thing these guilds enjoy and would leave if they didn’t do it then why would it hurt wvw if they left. If they don’t enjoy wvw they don’t wvw so the wvw community would gain from them leaving.

Oh really? Because I remember a couple days ago when EP finished a GvG, then stuck around on the map and turned every structure on MagBL Red. And they’re no good for the WvW community….?

Thesilentflute.8761:

Such delusion 0_o

DevonCarver.5370:

Equinox.4195:

So, in regards to GvG and openfield, I don’t see a lot of “rampant speculation” going on. If nothing else, you chose your words poorly. The complaints about this new system potentially killing the GvG scene is entirely grounded.

This forum and this topic in particular are about WvW. WvW is about sieging and controlling objectives and about open field combat. All our changes are with that totality in mind and will continue to be.

Bolded for emphasis…

skillionaire.3574:

I love the idea of GVG the only thing i have against it is groups are constantly and indirectly farming WXP non stop by doing this. ..cheating? what about the random WvW players whom spend their time in wvw objectives they are aquiring wxp at the intended normal rate.

You get far less WXP from fights than you do from capturing objectives.

Pinko.2076:

That Minion Mancer Meta

lmao. We’re trying really really hard….but holy crap.

That’s like….200 vs 30-35. xD

NornBearPig.9814:

1) thos stupidly overpowerd @#$%s

2) the insanely broken %@#&s

3) those brainless pos #$#%s

4) those unkillable trash $%@$s

5) those incredibly lame @$%&s

6) thos facerollkeyboard @&$%s

7) that annoying as fuk $@%#

8) My class

LOL! This is probably the best reply ever…

Savoy.6824:

Hate to burst your bubble @MartyPartys but heres a direct quote from Devon Carter

“Are the orbs coming back? No. Are we bringing back the buff? Yes, although the way you get it and hold it is going to be drastically different. Are you going to see a major map change in concert with this? Yes. Is it coming soon? Most definitely.”

From this thread:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Orbs-of-Power-gonna-return/first

They are bringing the stat buff back.

And then later Devon said they provided no details about what “the buff” was, as a backpedal on that comment.

Tyaen.5148:

I’m going to ask what may be an obvious question, but I’m a solo roamer so I may not get the meta. All these videos show Elementalist’s throwing static fields at the beginning of the fights. Every video also shows stability being used to counter right at the beginning. Is this just to put the stability skills on cooldown? Since something as simple as Stand your Ground is on a 10 second shorter cooldown doesn’t that defeat the purpose? Is the idea just to hope to catch someone sleeping?

Just a curious observer.

Stability doesn’t always hit everyone that it’s shouted at. It’s either random, or based on range from the guardian shouting it (not sure which). You can usually catch a couple people in it, and when you do you can pounce on them. Effectively, yes, it’s because you hope you can catch someone sleeping.

It’s also, yes, to encourage the enemy to blow their cooldowns as soon as the fight starts. The more CC you can throw on them, the better. Another common tactic is a static field and then zealots embrace, which immobilizes. You can usually get several people to have to break stun or use condition clears, which are then on cooldown.

I like the rally mechanic. It adds a very unique element to combat, that requires players to play differently than just a “team deathmatch” fight. I think hell would freeze over before ANet got rid of it. (That’s all a side note to your point)

As far as rallying on NPCs in WvW, I completely agree with you there.

MartyPartys.9187:

Hickeroar.9734:

MartyPartys.9187:

Savoy.6824:

Isnt guild vs guild going to die next patch when they return the orbs of power? Since you know that the server that has the orb will have a stat advantage over the two that dont.

Hopefully the orbs won’t give any stat bonusses and if it will I’m sure the community will be able to find a workaround

Maybe we can take the orbs and hold them on the spectator hill. xD

Haha and then defend it with all the people around there, that would be the best.

If there are guilds fighting on the spectator hill while there’s a GvG going on….would that be GvGception?

Bovinity.8610:

The point was: Put in a lot of hours and get the experience, and you earn the right to gain credibility for your opinions on a given topic. That’s just a fact of life, right there. It has nothing specifically to do with the GvG scene.

This “rule” is why common/big/experienced names in WvW on a given server are always the people who are followed and trusted. They have “paid their dues” and “earned” their way there.

Ok, so you’re dodge-rolling out of the rest of what you said.

That IS what I said. You chose to warp it.

Convenant.7092:

1. The term “Guild Wars” does not refer to PVP; it actually refers to the PVE lore of old Tyrian guilds waging war against each other.

2. If you think PVE is a popular aspect of this game, all you have to do is go check the events/PVE section and discover that people take it quite seriously.

3. The grand majority of hardcore WvW players absolutely do NOT care about PPT anymore.

4. There is no “Condition Meta” like people claim it does; the only real meta there is is the PVT hammer train. How people never referred to that as a meta, and now talk about condition meta in WvW is completely beyond me.

Any other common misconceptions people need to get off their chest?

1) I’m less interested in the lore, and more interested in stuff players have been asking for (pretty much daily) since beta.

2) PvE houses the majority of players in GW2. I think we all know that. WvW is also no slouch. :-P

3) PPT matters less than ever to players, and people care less every day. The current matchup system has killed the PPT meta since for most matchups it just doesn’t matter anymore. Winner is decided by Sunday morning.

4) Conditions are a HUGE part of the meta, but stacking condition damage really isn’t at present. It’s far more important to load on of stacks of vulnerability, blindness, and immobilizes, have your heavies worry about targeted CC/Healing/condition-clearing (and decent damage too), then let lighter classes pour on the damage from the outside. That seems to be the present meta. In smaller groups, individual condition damage can be a lot more valuable.

Savoy.6824:

None of this matters anymore since they are bringing back the orbs of power in the next patch. Have fun doing guild vs guild when one of those guilds has a stat advantage and the other doesnt due to their server having a stat advantage due to the orb.

No one has any details on that. No one knows the mechanics, how the control of it will go, what the buffs will be, etc etc etc.

This is also a repost from something you said in the scene thread 2 minutes ago.

MartyPartys.9187:

Savoy.6824:

Isnt guild vs guild going to die next patch when they return the orbs of power? Since you know that the server that has the orb will have a stat advantage over the two that dont.

Hopefully the orbs won’t give any stat bonusses and if it will I’m sure the community will be able to find a workaround

Maybe we can take the orbs and hold them on the spectator hill. xD

Bovinity.8610:

If you want to take what I said and completely change not only the meaning but the words themselves, you’re obviously just a troll throwing out bait.

You pretty clearly said that you’re better players, you’re more experienced, you’ve “earned” something, you’ve “created” some “meta”, and have worked “long hard hours”.

Not to mention the stuff about seniority and non-GvG’er not “paying their dues”.

You did say those things. Did you mean something else?

The point was: Put in a lot of hours and get the experience, and you earn the right to gain credibility for your opinions on a given topic. That’s just a fact of life, right there. It has nothing specifically to do with the GvG scene.

This “rule” is why common/big/experienced names in WvW on a given server are always the people who are followed and trusted. They have “paid their dues” and “earned” their way there.

DevonCarver.5370:

This is the type of upgrade to the system we will likely be making, but it is not a short-term project. We feel commanders aren’t getting enough mileage out of the system as it is now and we’d like to make it much, much more robust.

Honestly my only real wish for the commander tag system would be “guilds tags.” As it stands, we have several groups on a map at any given time, and they run tagless. Something other than the “get in a party and target the commander” meta would be sweet.

Jayne.9251:

LilMcGinley.3890:

EDIT: you deleted your post.. nvm then…

No I didn’t.

@Hick talk about the game mechanics of GvG, chat that up. Ignore the detractors, because any statement that creates an us vs them mentality is alienating and does not further the cause.

Point taken….

Bovinity.8610:

It’s not a caste system, it’s simple experience, and the directions that experience has led people. Don’t make more out of what I said than what was meant.

“We’re all better players than you, more experienced than you, more dedicated than you, have put way more into this than you, have worked much harder than you, and have earned way more than you. But don’t read anything into what I just said, I’m just sayin’”

Did that cover it? =)

If you want to take what I said and completely change not only the meaning but the words themselves, you’re obviously just a troll throwing out bait.

Let me sum it up for everyone else’s benefit:
- GvGers get tons of hate for no perceivable reason.
- GvGers love what they do and are passionate about it.
- GvGers have worked very hard to get where they are and to drive this community.
- Being inflammatory about it (like your complete alteration of my words and meaning) is not cool, but it seems like the GvG opponents have NO trouble throwing out hate, and get all bent out of shape when someone rebuts what they say.
- When someone comes in who clearly does not understand the meta/reasoning and tries to tell those with more experience, who DO understand the meta/reasoning (and helped CREATE the meta), why they are wrong, it’s nonsensical, and SHOULD be corrected.