Guild Wars 2

If giver’s/snowflake gear wasn’t bugged, it’s entirely possible to get 100% boon duration with food

It also would leave the guardian with virtually no power at all, so what?

It’s actually very nice to block chokepoints (it’s really rare for a whole zerg to have stability…).

I also tend to cast it on top of cannons or ballistas when we start pushing forward.

The cd could really be lowered though…

How about you just run AoE retaliation and kill the Warriors?

Retaliation doesn’t work on siege.

Almost every boon for 20 sec on 28 sec effective CD

Someone seems to be exaggerating a bit…If you are speaking of SY! it’s on a 48s cd (traited) and gives boons for 16s with 60% boon duration without food. If anything needs to be changed it’s this one skill as boon hate will really hurt all guardians who are not using it.

If somebody still hasn’t get it. The class DEPENDS on boons to be actually competitive. It’s what we are designed for and that mechanic effectively turns our only advantage to a heavy disadvantage not only for us but for all of our party members.

Guess i will just play my thief or level my mesmer to 80 then…it’s not as if i wasted a whole month getting an ascended amulet for a character whose class will be rendered useless.

Wait, you lost against a warrior on your guardian, at the current state of the game? We are not talking about beta, are we? I am not saying, warriors are bad or have no place, but head to head with a guardian…

Well, i know from german forums that you are a troll but i will answer you regardless.

Yes, i lost vs warriors. Those were good players that knew how to play their class and didn’t waste all their utility skills in one burst that is easily avoideable. Warrior CC is extremely strong and guardian slow by design.

I also had about 15 stacks of bleed on me from one warrior one time. He managed to pull this off real quick while i had no stunbreak ready and would’ve certainly died in seconds if i had no cleanse ready.

I’m actually taking it every time when WvW’ing in bigger groups. It’s not much but at least something.

I certainly wouldn’t say no to a buff, though.

I expect a “spectacular” one-time-only PvE event that will have nothing to do with WvW.

I never use SY! and have constant 3-4 boons on me, because that’s what the Healway build is doing.

Maybe i was stating it wrong: The change wouldn’t kill the class as it’s whole but one of only two builds that are actually playable.

Then let them receive less damage based on the amount of points spent (not too much, say 0.3% per point).

Hell, that’s not even half of the Protection boon, which Guardians can have almost constantly.

If we can we either build for it (at least +60% boon duration and multiple sources of protection) or stand in place spamming hammer #1. While the latter can easily be countered by just moving, high boon duration builds need something in exchange for other traits/runes they could have taken instead.

Besides: If you really want boon hate to specifically work against protection, you are undermining the whole purpose of the boon which is damage reduction.

Also, i haven’t been able to constantly keep protection up to this very day. And if so, i would have to use SY! which i rarely use because of its egoistic nature. The sheer number of boons also brings the risk of being melted by necros which i want to prevent at all cost.

Personally I hate having to rely on random people for anything.

Not to mention that in 1v1, classes should have balanced alternatives to fight one another

Here lies your fundamental problem. I have to admit, i am a huge fan of 1v1’s but in it’s core, GW2 is balanced for group combat. If you have to rely on “random people” that’s either because your group is bad or it doesn’t exist at all. I would suggest you find a good coordinated group that uses TS3 or the like for communication and you will see a huge difference in your playing results.

When ArenaNet decides to introduce a duel-function, that’s the moment they really have to balance the classes for it.

/edit: And i am intentionally curing my groups conditions because that’s part of my role as a supporter.

It doesn’t reflect, it blocks projectiles (well, it’s not even a block, it just “stops” them).

Just warn you to use this build at your own risk. Just got reported by 5 Gunnar’s Hold players because i’m dodging too often for their liking and they took > 5 mins to kill me :P

Seems like they never heard of Sigil of Energy on both sets + perma-Vigor ^^

Well, i’m not an ele so i don’t have to use my F1-F4 as often, but if anyone is interested, here are my keybinds:

I am using a german/european keyboard so, among other buttons, Y and Z are switched.

Moving: WASD (strafe on A and D, keyboard turn unbound)
Dodge: M3 (press mousewheel)
Jump: spacebar

Weapon swap: Shift

Weapon skills: Q, M5, M4, Alt + M5, Alt + M4
Heal: C
Utilities: ERF
Elite: V

F1-F4: 1-4

TS pukitteno-talk: ^
Interact: X or Y (bound both so i just have to hit the general area)

Call/Take target: Strg + T, T
nearest target: Tab (i usually use LMB to target real mesmers and the like)
Auto-run: unbound.

Seems a bit messy but it’s what i ended up with after lots of testing sessions and different setups.

Also, to give us a slightly lower movement speed as well. 15% speed reduction seems proper.

I would keep my current speed and damage reduction then…warriors are fine, but guardians are slow and meant to be so. Making us even slower would be really really painful…

protection + aegis + block can be used to mow down a warrior regardless!

Guardians have an inherent advantage over burstbuilds that rely on single strong attacks or short periods of, say, quickness. That is because of their aegis and blocks.

Basically, the only thing a “boon hate” in form of more damage towards buffed chars would do is to make glas cannon burst builds even better than they are currently.

When i start fighting against someone, i expect the fight to last ~5-10 mins against a skilled opponent before i either win, lose or we agree on a draw. When i am winning, most of the time it’s because my opponent overextended and was out of options to fight against me.

When using sword and GS (optionally JI), you actually can escape at least at short distances. That is, if you can find mobs to target with Flashing Blade and JI…

Vs 2-3 boons (I assume Prot/Ret/Vig) it would be 10-15% dmg increase

If we could decide to only have this 3 boons, yes. But if you look at Hammer auto-attack, GS auto-attack, Virtues 5 minor trait (a trait we HAVE to take if you want to spec into Virtues) there are a lot of boons we are simply getting without having the option to decline them.

Also, look at our utility skills. Shouts are basically the only ones that are worth taking if you want to support your group.

, not even remotely enough to kill the Guardian class.

What class are you playing? I’ve lost against players of all classes so far because they were simply better than me. Just don’t expect to rush into a guardian and hit him until he collapses. That won’t do it. We are made entirely for frontline fighting without an actual option to go ranged.

The GS skill Arcing Slice could be given the first skill-based burst ability based on this mechanic. Boons applied this way could last for 5s, 10s, or 15s depending on adrenaline level.

15s of protection is hefty but i agree that GS F1 needs a burst. I have basically never seen a warrior using it.

absurd that so many of you can just stand and tank like you do because

I suggest you to play guardian and try to “just stand and tank” like you think we are doing. This game is full of dangerous burst abilities that can easily kill a full defensive guardian in 1 or 2 hits. The key to playing a defensive build is to mitigate them.

I’d say the guardians you fought against so far have been simply better players than you are.

Also, to keep our boons up for such a long time and to “tank” like you describe, we need to give up on most of our damage. Every class can just easily walk away from us but most are just too dumb and try to fight a guardian (a class that is entirely made for melee fighting) toe-to-toe.

dosent the sword #3 do less dmg than its auto attack?

Yes…

i find my guardian gets into fights but can never get away

That’s actually the guardians main problem, imho.

i think i could make a warrior justa s tanky?

Never tried, but i guess you could. Most people just see warriors as Bull Rush → Frenzy → 100B but there are many options to actually spec a warrior defensively without giving up as much burst as you have to when playing guardian.

But b2t: You better never use sword #3 unless you are fighting a ranged class and need to block projectiles (ranger rapid fire, warrior volley/killshot).

Yeah, but the change you proposed doesn’t need any healing power at all to be useful. Guardian bunker often run much over 1k healing power sacrificing a huge amount of damage in exchange.

so unless boon hate is 5% per boon or more, it’ll be useless.

That change would simply kill the guardian as a class. Without boons we are nothing but a less mobile, less tanky, less damaging warrior.

So the warrior would have more passive heals than a guardian? Won’t be happening.

I think it’s okay. Let’s compare it to http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Backbreaker

- I don’t know if the ele can move while using Gale but afaik the warrior is immobile.

- Backbreaker is melee while Gale has 900 range.

- Warrior has a lot less skills than ele (yes, this actually is an argument. Ele skills need to have at least slightly longer cd’s to offset the amount of skills available).

Tbh, i guess we provide the easier points because no one ever thinks about building defensive siege or defending.

Dzagonur just finished their event at their spawn tower on our homelands. I’m sure, i wasn’t the only one on the map but no one came defending for the whole 10 mins they needed to open the tower. One of our guys even ran away when he saw the event… -.-

The other side is: When we decide to recap something, there are usually 20+ people there who want to have their revenge and invade the opposing borderlands or eternals.

This mentality only works as long as we heavily outnumber both of our enemy servers and they are not double teaming us. I predict a disastrous defeat for us next week when we keep on ‘playing’ as we are doing now.

Very sad, i never enter the JP…would use the traps all day long to kill all those “mesmer in jp?” guys that enoy me every time i enter eternals

45 second Cooldown on a weapon skill ??? are you kidding me ?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Shield_of_Wrath

(the ones who actually fight outnumbered usually are the ones who have the skill to do that ;D)

When not raiding, i’m running solo on homelands and you won’t believe what kind of people ’m meeting there sometimes I fought and defeated the same opponent 10+ times in a row because he just keeps running straight out of his spawn.

But there are also nice fights everywhere. Few hours ago it was me and an engineer of [Soul] vs a D/D ele of [HON] in his camp. Was really stressful to deal with such a fast class while being CC’ed all over the place by the guards but also lot of fun ^^

Also nice action on Dzagonur borderlands just now. Broke the outer gate at bay with 5 golems, got stopped and decided to sneak the golems at garrison while keeping the defenders busy. Worked just as planned

Are the Miller’s numbers basically the norm in tier 6?

Fort Ranik got 30-40 people on our borderland every day starting at about 9am tapping everything

By primetime, there were 2 zergs at about the same size so you could say we are pretty small compared to other servers up there ^^

Well we wiped your mainzerg multiple times today on your own borderlands with about even numbers. We even hold against ~5 waves of respawn at NW supply camp until you finally overwhelmed us The only time i got downed (and killed on top of it) in 4 hours of raid on your bl today

We had to place a black lion merchant in our bay because we were out of inventory space ^^

Blind doesn’t prevent stomping. I’ve been blind multiple times before and always got my stomp (secured by focus #5 or F3 as SYG! would have cleansed the blind).

Also, blind counters guardian downed #2. Did it every time while i specced in radiance for blind on F1.

Guardian got about the 2nd lowest mobility of all classes in exchange, so your argument is invalid

If I had a silver piece for each time I was downed, used #2 and teleported like 5 pixel further the left and still get finished off by the first stomp I could buy half a dozen precursors off the TP. <.<

Thiefs don’t move at all when using their #3 in downed state and still interrupt stomps. Seems like you used #2 too early and were visible again when the spike finished.

Sword symbol should give fury if anything. Sword is a pretty offensive weapon.

Nice rush at our keep on eternals yesterday. You created orange swords though, otherwise there would be no way for us to defend it.

I’m doing arah path 3 using this build. It works fairly well but you certainly need some time to finish enemies when comparing to more offensive builds. The times i can really shine is when tanking Lupi/1. boss and when providing boons/heals to my team. (Well i’m not really tanking the 1. boss as he instadowns but with the amount of blocks and cleanses available i can distract him any amount of time)

People just expect Downed players to be free kills and get kitten y when they’re not.

Well, at least i feel like a free kill when downed ^^ #3 usually manages to come off cd exactly the moment i get stomped the 2nd time (and wouldn’t do anything because it needs some ticks to rally me if it does at all) and #1 could as well not be there…

Sorry for the garri, but i was there this morning when u took ours so… ;P

I was online at that time. Nobody said a word about you taking it other than “oh look, our garrison is red”. Should have witnessed the kittenstorm afterwards.

I encourage you to take more of our keeps and towers like this. Maybe we will wake up afterwards and finally start paying attention to what’s going on or even build some defensive weapons…

[Code] will most likely protect our borderlands from now on at least during primetime so i guess it will be a bit harder for you as they got some really good players.

But hey, at least we stopped you at bay and destroyed your golems

Also thanks to the permastealth Charr thief who entertained us at Dzagonur spawn tower around that time and for the fun duel we had afterwards ^^

They are great in numbers but short in brains.

Hurts a bit to read that but i have to admit you are right most of the time. I really like lower tiers (MS has been up in T3 once). Battles are much better here and personal playing skill makes more of a difference.

i have a ranger. our downed skills are awesome!

Well, your pet rezz is indeed pretty nice ^^ Outheals even multiple people hitting a downed ranger.

Underwater it can be a real pain…

Why would anyone trait to be better when downed…strange world.

The real problem comes when you are fighting against a mesmer and another gc char (yeah, we are not supposed to win 2on1’s, so what? Not my fault that they play bad).

Once the mesmer got downed there practically nothing you can do. Can’t finish the mesmer as the other gc will kill you instantly and can’t fight the other opponent as you will have loads of confusion on you all the time.

In the same time, we had a lot of fun @ south camp on your homelands ^^ duels between Mya, TOD, Bots from Miller and BNF, Tier and AtR (? sorry, forgot how it’s spelled) from Dzagonur.

/edit: kitten filter…had to insert the @ instead of ‘at’ so it doesn’t look full of kitten.

Well, you had about twice the players when you were attacking inner wall at bay on our homelands. I saw about 80% upscaled during that attack so it’s not entirely our fault when you are losing

Also kudos to the [FR] thief i fought against between RoF spawn and south camp on our homelands. Almost managed to down you (must had like 500 hp left) but in the end agreed on a draw.

We are pretty much dominating right now but that also leaves a lot of room for good duells and smallscale fights. Really loving this matchup so far.

Was quite depressing for a first fight, yeah ^^ But you had 1 add so i can blame him/her for my defeat :P

Had quite a fun time defending south camp on our homelands against both Dzagonur and RoF players. [TaG] from RoF seemed really good to me. Couldn’t kill each other (2 of them against me + camp guards) so they retreated but i’m looking forward towards more fights against you guys.

Just revisited my guardian now.

Quite amazing really.

It’s much, much stronger than warrior at bunkering/tanking and support.

Skipped all other posts because i want to answer this.

Every class seems better than the one you are coming from ^^ Our guardian class master (means: he developed our raid build and knows the most about the class) recently started playing his warrior in WvW and doesn’t even want to switch back.

He uses a variation of the “standard” hammer + sword/axe shout build, does about double the damage he would do as a guardian, got massive CC options on both sets, can tank, heal and support. It’s basically a more offensive guardian.

High Damage + Heavy Healing + Survivability and Protection with heavy condition removal (which warriors lack.) and the nice 15% damage reduction signet, cure 3 conditions every 10 seconds.

You should have mention the low hp pool and lack of basically any kind of CC or escape moves. The way you are writing, any class is better than the one you are currently playing

Food should never be a crucial part of your build. If you need that heal on crit to stay alive it means that your builds are bad and you need to figure out something better.

You can use fireworks while transformed as a quaggan. What more could you possibly be asking for?

No, thanks.

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