Guild Wars 2

Won’t ever happen. Anet wants Confusion to be a burst condition, hence why it was removed from Ether Clone and Siren’s Call.

Well, warriors get Distracting Strikes upgraded to applay 4 stacks of 8s confusion every time they interrupt. Cry of Frustration aside, they will be better in applying confusion than mesmers, which is kind of sad…

(/edit: They also will be able to trait for immobilize on their sword auto-attack chain…a bit of confusion on scepter auto-attack is nothing against that)

Also, regarding scepter: I use it in power phantasm builds when i want to spam clones to trigger “on clone death”-traits. The damage on block was also very nice but the weapon doesn’t really seem to fit into either power or condition now.

This new condition actually fits very nicely into the mesmer theme. We are meant to restrict our opponent and punish them for doing mistakes. Confusion does this and Torment could complement it very well.

Cool story, can i have perma-“all boons + 25 might”, then?

As much as I’d love a buil that revolves around sending Chaos Armor to everyone all day every day

Won’t be possible anyway. Unless stealth, chaos armor doesn’t stack (and i strongly suggest for stealth to work the same way…shadow refuge would have to be an exception ofc) and our glamour fields are on high enough cd’s to make “spamming” chaos armor not possible.

/edit: By “stealth” i mean thief/combo stealth. None of our stealth skills stacks with itself or other sources of stealth.

(also D/D ele in www is currently a joke…you won t lose and you can even escape him without much effort).

I guess Jathres and many other D/D eles playing WvW would like to differ.

Also, i never played ele, but those lightning hammer builds seem to do TONS of damage in PvE.

As for anyone whom says Mesmer is purely glassy and easily killed, then try going full glass Thief, or Ele and tell me how ‘glassy’ Mesmer is.

So, once again: Those mesmers aren’t glass. A full gc thief or ele does a TON more damage than a mesmer in a much shorter time.

Also, try to play full glass mesmer in, say, WvW roaming. When you meet a berserker warrior you basically have to avoid any single attack they are throwing at you or you’re dead. And don’t even try to run from or CC them, won’t happen.

I don’t really like this…we already have blocks in Scepter #2 and Sword #4. Changing BF into another “reacting” ability, would take alot of the flow out of the shatter playstyle since you need your opponent to do something to actually do any damage. Confusion could already be easily outplayed by simply doing nothing.

If it should work like phase retreat (and according to you, it should) it ports you straight back if you aren’t targeting anything.

Try not to get downed in the first place Bad comment i know, but we mesmers are all about damage avoidance. That’s what we are good in and we should make use of it.

How this would work:
Use Black Powder, Shadow Escape… But you can’t run back to the spot before it goes away, so no perma stealth.

Couldn’t you just turn around and port back into the field?

The set also very much promotes cheesy gameplay much more than any other weaponset thieves currently have.
Sinc both #1 and #2 are 1200 range, P/X thieves would basically only autoattack and use #2 to permanently stay out of range, get never CC’ed and be immune against any kind of conditions.

Don’t misunderstand me, please, i’m not against a P/X revamp, your suggested #2 skill just does too much in one skill without any CD (and because you based it off Phase Retreat: that skill doesn’t break stun).

You and I are not the only players in the game, you know.

So, here you get another one:
Leave us mesmers alone. Fix our bugs and that should be it. The class is already quite balanced and definitely (imho) one of the most fun to play.

1200 range seems too much for #2 as it is a spammable, low-initiative gap-opener.

Sadly, the wiki doesn’t say anything about Phase Retreat (the 1200 range indicate how far your opponent can be away to spawn the clone not how far you will be teleported away) as it seems to be the most comparable skill.

I would also up the cost to at least 4, if not 5 initiative. It’s essentially a better heartseeker for stacking stealth with BP and that already needs to be nerfed.

I will try this – however I am condi thief so not sure i can do enough damage to kill him.

Actually, you will have it a LOT easier fighting mesmers than a power thief. Mesmer condition removal is quite rare and usually on a long cd.

A P/D thief for example can grind almost any mesmer until he dies to the bleeds.

Personally, i think that D/D #3-spam is quite useless but that may be just me.

/edit: Another tip: Never use daggerstorm against a phantasm mesmer before you checked for retaliation. I’ve seen so many thieves kill themselves in seconds when doing this.

Another /edit:

What is a mesmer phatasm? Is it different from a clone?

Clones look exactly the same as the original mesmer (missing their offhand weapon…likely a bug) and do close to no damage at all.

Phantasms on the other hand appear translucent with a purple aura around them (kind of like http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Whisperblade) and are capable of doing a good amount of damage to you. Also, they always wield a specific weapon depending on their source (the sword phantasm wields whisperblade, the staff phantasm Abyssal Scepter, etc).

Blurred Frenzy does like 3k (max 4k if my opponent is gc) damage. That’s hardly more than an axe warrior’s auto-attack. What damages you is Mind Wrack which can easily be avoided.

Also, sword #3 is one of the only roots we got.

Though the sheer amount of resulting purple butterflies might be the cause of ongoing mental damages to those who are watching.

Yea, you’d expect stealth to break the channel like it does in other games.

If it also would be non-spammable like in other games, then ok

Use feedback → watch numbers :>

Hmm, i’ve never seen myself doing 10k+ dmg in 1s without having to spent quite some time of preparation beforehand.

And just for you: Mesmers die horribly against conditions. A single Flurry of a warrior can easily deal several thousand points of damage because there just isn’t any frequently available way to cleanse it.

Uniqueness (and ofc trolling around my opponents) is one of the main reasons why i enjoy playing my mesmer, so…no.

I just want them to stop dealing more damage than a gc thief

Done, we aren’t.

It would just require you to pay attention when spamming Phant buttons

Somehow i’m thinking you underestimate a lot of players in this corner of the forums…

Hey, we mesmers are all about mind games. Those butterflies are just an additional kind of humiliation :P

What do you see phantasm lacking in WvW?

Mostly mobility. You can substitute for not using staff/focus by slotting centaur/air runes but your phantasms will stay slow. If your opponent decides to stay and fight: You most likely will win. If he runs: You don’t lose, but it’s not really satisfying either.

Also, it’s much harder to run from an incoming zerg, something that happens all the time tin WvW.

There are a couple “must have”-traits across all professions like Warrior “5s weapon-swap”, Mesmer “-20% clone cd” and (to a lesser degree) “clone on dodge”. Elementalists even got a whole traitline that’s basically mandatory to invest points into.

If there should be changes all professions should get them. 5s weapon swap is extremely strong and basically allows the warrior to spam his strong, low cd attacks (Whirlwind Attack, Eviscerate) without ever stopping.

I’m not sPvP’ing but at least in WvW roaming and dueling, warriors are not in such a bad shape due to having extreme mobility, damage, hp and virtual immunity against speed-reducing conditions.

You don’t need the moa achievement at all to get the shattered wings. So unless you really want those points (without even a title), just don’t do it.

I mean, a track race? Which rewards you for playing more? (Just. Need. Three. More. Tickets. For. That. Higher. Reward. Just three more, c’monnnnnnnn Meeeeeep!)

Please do the math:

1 Ticket → 20s
3 Tickets → 60s
7 Tickets → 140s

The amount of silver per ticket stays the same, no matter how much you are winning.

I’m not playing thief but i’m often /laughing, /waving oder /beckoning when there are multiple people running away from me. Mesmers are slow, so i need some way to keep them at me :>

There are multiple asura mesmers ^^ Nubu, Camal and myself are the ones that come to my mind currently. You would have to be a bit more specific :P

(Nubu and Camal are both running condition builds afaik, i alternate between shatter and phantasm)

/edit: Wait, you are Rorik, the austrian norn engi, right? ^^ Already met you a few times this weekend. You were with a mesmer and guardian, fighting over south camp for a while ^^

Actually, there isn’t even a matchup-thread over in the german forums ^^

ArenaNet has to fix all methods used to pass by the “after 15 min”-kick…this is just dumb.

To the arbor mesmer currently dead behind our water gate: Better respawn, you already have been reported multiple times.

Yay, we are having Gunnar’s back!

When i play my guardian: I laugh, wait for him to waste all his initiative and cleanse.

When i play my mesmer: I back off a bit and wait for him to waste his initiative, sending some clones his way. Mesmers can actually be hurt by this…

a well timed F2 would be enemies taking at least 1600+500 for a single hit or 1600+1500 for multi-hitters like the greatsword auto attack.

Stop attacking when you see purple borders on your screen and butterflies flying around the mesmer? This game is already dumbed down enough, there needs to be at least some sort of serious punishment for bad players and attack spammers.

/edit and btw: Besides, i’m actually sure Daecello doesn’t really wants any of his (her?) suggestions implemented the way they are posted. Warrior would be absolutely dominating if that would be the case

Offhand Sword and Pistol are both great vs thieves as they put pressure on them as soon as they become visible. The sword also offers a block while the pistol can negate a BP+HS stealth combo.

I really like the staff’s mobility and defense too much to give up on it but sword/sword as a second set offers a good amount of defense vs thieves with Blurred Frenzy and Illusionary Riposte.

I would suggest using air/centaur runes in WvW, though, as otherwise you will never be able to run from an incoming zerg.

its really hard to believe that you could go without wvw, spvp, or minigames and still have a sufficient amount of enjoyment in this game.

While i’ doing WvW roaming basically all the time i avoid grinding fractals and dungeons like the plague because i get bored really fast when doing them.

Everyone is allowed to have their own definition of fun, don’t you think so?

FR side and find a fairly big amount of players they seem to just retreat into their towers/ keeps to the siege..

We were 2 DZ vs 10 FR the other day, trolling a bit around…what did they do? Retreat in their tower and start building ballistas…

Those 3 are pretty bad though. I don’t really use them.

Placing the ranger tree and heartseekering through the resulting water field actually gives a very decent amount of healing.

Zeal.1376:

Since it’s apparently too hard for 2 servers to NOT blob up like a bunch of ……………….
We’ll do it this way:

WBC is looking for GvGs – Open field, equal numbers, no siege
Message me or Herbaliser in game to set 1 up

15v15-20v20-25v25

If you guys are also interested in smaller scale fights (5v5, 4v4 etc) or even duels, we might be able to arrange something

I’d really like to duel your charr necro we encountered yesterday while taking your spawntower from FR on their homelands. Granted, condi necro is about a mesmers worst nightmare but he impressed me regardless ^^

-Many Mesmers use a Staff, but here she does not. Mesmer Staff gives a low CD stun break

Just to clarify: Phase Retreat (Staff #2) is not a stun break.

My first main was a guardian but i retired him after some months because the class seemed kinda boring. I’m still using him for PvE and fractals, though.

Started a mesmer afterwards (and had a short thief period but i don’t like the playstyle) and am currently owning 4 full sets of armor, saving up for a fifth.

I recently started playing engi and i can’t wait for him to reach 80. The list of what a single build is capable to almost seems too good to be real: High condition damage divided in bleeds, burns and poison, decent power damage, tankiness, perma-swiftness and -vigor, perma AoE chill, multiple blocks/invuls on short cd’s and decent to high heals. I might overestimate the capabilities of my build but at least on paper it looks extremely powerful.

Use it in a condi build and find an Ethereal field to throw out massive amounts of confusion :>

Don’t give them any ideas, please…

Just be happy about all those free kills this week ^^ FR seems to consist of ~50% berserker longbow rangers that can easily be farmed as long as they are not hiding inside their zerg.

Not saying that all FR are bad but so far i’m not overly impressed…

S/D thieves actually have it alot easier against mesmers than D/D or D/P. As long as your are stealthed, he can’t cast phantasms on you and if you land the sword #1 daze, he also can’t. Try to lock him down by leaving as little time as possible between stealth and dazes.

Not saying your guild blobs up, I didn’t really meet zumy this week.

Consider yourself lucky. Zumy may very well be the worst blobbing guild of them all. ALL of them at the same spot ALL the time!

people are zerging because it’s fun

I don’t think so…but seeing that you are from Drakkar Lake tells me everything i need to know.

Just want to inform the mods that this thread belongs to the ‘Matchups’ subforum.

Retaliation is okay in every game mode except massive zerging.
Confusion (even in it’s old form) is okay in every game mode except massive zerging.

Conclusion: Nerf massive zerging, not retaliation or confusion and restore those 2 back to their old values like they did with revealed.

Fineprint: Only available to asura mesmers.

Confusion shatter used to be a good build to punish bad players for spamming buttons but it’s not so great anymore. I’d try to run a condition phantasm build utilizing Sharper Images and iDuelist (Pistol offhand) to quickly stack bleeds.