Guild Wars 2

Join Teef maybe? We’re doing some duels.

I always tried to figure the classes out and what they do and created all classes to understand them, which really helped, and it helped while they were low levels, to see how clones behave, to understand death shroud a bit better and so on, but in the end I still don’t know too much about other classes, guess I ‘d have to change my main for that and that won’t happen.

Anyway: I’m a wvw player, maybe some other people can give some more tips about pvp.

Kageseigi.2150:

Speaking of which, how does a thief effectively counter a ranger?

I’ve been running a 6/6/2/0/0 d/p (or d/d) and s/d build. I can get the initial d/x burst off usually. Takes him down the a fraction of health. Then the dreaded 0’s start flying everywhere. With d/p, I don’t have enough initiative to stealth again. With d/d, I can’t seem to CnD off of him… and getting to his pet isn’t always close. All the time, he’s blasting me. If I Shadow Refuge, he AoE’s me.

So I usually blow my evades, and they don’t seem to outlast his invulnerability.

That’s one of the reasons I find it frustrating when people complain about hiding in stealth. Sure, I can hide in stealth for a few seconds… when I actually have the ability to enter stealth. I don’t ever want Last Refuge to proc, so that’s not a valid alternative for me :-(

If it’s a ranger who clutches his LB then try daggerstorm as an opener, I usually get them with that alone.

But counter question: 6/6/2/0/0 d/p (or d/d) – don’t you have troubles with other classes as well? I can imagine that pulling that build off in wvw is rather tricky.

And you can actually stand slightly outside of SR, their (LB) aoe usually doesn’t fill up the whole area.

Edit: Their 0 damage is signet of stone which lasts 20 s or so and makes them invulnerable, so of course you can’t CnD them during that time- but that probably would be the right time to use your SR.

DarkSyze.8627:

Final Fantasy 14, Age of Conan: Unchained, Tera, Aion, SWTOR, Lineage 2, Eden Eternal, Alganon, Black Desert, Icarus Online, Rift Online etc…

I don’t know whether or not all rangers in these games have pets but all these games (except maybe Swtor and and some other game, I couldn’t figure out what the classes do, maybe they have rangers after all) have got rangers/archers.
So I’m not really sure why you posted them ;).

Svarty.8019:

Jana.6831:

Too late for what?

Quite. Arenanet have more or less stated that they are happy with their balancing. Personally, I think thief is ridiculously overpowered, but I don’t see it being changed – ever.

I think the only hope for people who are sick of being killed by thieves is to wait for the next game and pray that the developers there aren’t bandwagoning the tired, old OP stealth class nonsense.

Good thing we’re on the same server ;)

Personally I’m sick of being killed by rangers, I hope for a game that hasn’t got a ranged class with pet.

Wanze.8410:

I didnt re-calculate lately but i think quiver of a thousand arrows is a wee kitteneaper with 120g and it has the same choice of stats on offer.

I think mawdrey was the 3rd or 4th back item i forged because i was working on another stat set. Even though it was pricier, I enjoyed the journey as well and I had a few new skins and AP to my name.

Most of the stuff one can farm is getting a lot cheaper as most people seem to have finished their mawdrey. I don’t think that it exceeds 120 gold, unless, of course people still need to level their crafts.

Wanze.8410:

Its not about the rewards, its about the journey.

To me it was about the ascended backpiece, I hate the bladeshard thingy. And it is the cheapest ascended backpiece.

Btw, OP: look up whats required to craft something upfront so you can decide whether or not it’s worth it to you.

Kal Spiro.9745:

You spent money on it? That’s weird.

A friend of mine did too as he’s impatient; foxfire clusters, food, sunstones, growing lamps..

In the end it’s the cheapest ascended backpiece. That and all the stuff clogging up my bank was the reason why I made it. The bloodstone feeding is a nice extra, not everything it spits out is worthless.

Edit: Typos (embarrassing!)

serenke.4806:

Claw of Jormag because of the champ farmers in the backline

someone pointed it out on the forums a while back and it’s true- if no one stays with the champs in the back, they will go to the front and cause a lot of trouble (killing golems, rushing to the “main zerg”) – it really is better if someone takes care of them in the back.

I don’t like the map daylies either. It doesn’t even matter whether it’s snowden drift or orr, I kill every mob with 3 hits anyway. So I usually don’t participate in these events or do them alone when the mushroom popped up.

But, I was doing map completion today and as a matter of fact chose snowden, I forgot about the daylie. And people were cool, they were complaining that it took them so long but not about this or that player killing more mobs than they were allowed to – and exactly that was what annoyed me the most with these daylies.
I don’t think it would change if the maps were higher level, I heard someone complain about 80’s in sparkfly fen – for 20 min, that guy was really mad.

I absolutely love the idea of Hook and Dagger!

Well we did revive each other for XP when we started but that was a joke because my one guild mate jumped off of any cliff there was – so he (and everybody else who didn’t know him, he had a commander tag which made things worse) died.
Edit: He didn’t do it on purpose, he always assumed the height was safe.

Anet really needs to work on their communication skills. In that blogpost yesterday it said “will gain no XP anymore, the wits of XP cannot be used by lvl 80s”
Now you guys say that this very XP will count towards masteries- so I really have no clue what will happen to XP.

briggah.7910:

Jana.6831:

briggah.7910:

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Yeah sorry, I confused you with someone else. I really am sorry

No problem LOL but besides the tier you mention, my server has jumped tiers a lot in the past. We currently bounce bronze/silver so even with what you said it gave me more stuff to chat about

I remember GoM from when I have been on IoJ – but I didn’t really keep track of your standings it’s just every time I look at the NA standings (I’m EU now) I’m like “Holy moly, which guilds transfered to server x and left server y?” it’s way worse than in EU and it would annoy me a lot.

briggah.7910:

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Yeah sorry, I confused you with someone else. I really am sorry ;)

briggah.7910:

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RoF has been rank 19-22 for the past 2,5 years with only one short exception when they were 15-16, that was 1,5 years ago and then you were silver. Your server is currently T7.
The situation on NA is different than on EU, btw. IoJ was rank 9 a year ago, now they’re 19 maybe 21 next week – similar stuff happened to quite a few servers over there.

Sorry, I had to say it because you always claim to be in another tier and you always tell how your server makes it frequently to silver.

Edit: Ok, then maybe I confused you , sorry if that is the case. =)

Thing is: Right now I can max the experience = skillpoints = sup siege I get.
After the change I have no reason to use food in PvE anymore and I might get the same amount of skillpoints as before or more or less, no one knows.
So: Gaining SP is out of my hands (for now until we know the drop rates of the shards) and the +exp on level 80 food + utility will be useless – and I’d like to know with what it will be replaced.

Linken.6345:

And you can still do that just get a skillpoint farming char once it get to 80 delete and remake.

And that would help me with what?

Vayne.8563:

Right and until you see if you get less, more or around the same skill points, this entire conversation is pretty much meaningless.

People are saying I’m mad because I’m losing X, even though X is being replaced with Y and they don’t know how much Y they’re getting. They don’t know. They assume it will be less, but it might not be.

It’s like the argument people had when laurels were part of the daily. People thought they’d get less laurels and ended up with more laurels.

Same old problem with you: you don’t read my posts.

Jana.6831:

I still use food to gain more experience, thus more skill points thus I can craft more superior siege (yes, there really are people like this out there). So, every food gives experience, all utilities give experience what will replace that on level 80 food/utility?

Edit: Should I explain it further so you get my point? That’s a genuine question, you might not get it as you might not play the game the way I do.

Amadan.9451:

Jana.6831:

Amadan.9451:

after level 80 i will progress differently and more interestingly than i do now.

You won’t progress at all.

masteries are a progress to me and honestly are a progress i care about while having 1 more skill point i can’t care less

You’re right, I always forget about the masteries.

I do care about skill points/MF shards
I mean anet could give me superior siege for free, then I wouldn’t care as well.

Amadan.9451:

after level 80 i will progress differently and more interestingly than i do now.

You won’t progress at all.

I still use food to gain more experience, thus more skill points thus I can craft more superior siege (yes, there really are people like this out there). So, every food gives experience, all utilities give experience what will replace that on level 80 food/utility?

Anet has removed the whole strategical part of wvw -it’s no use to try to defend with anything other than a 50 man blob. So what would you do? All server transfers cost the same anyway and karma train it is. If one server is dead, move to the next to karma train.

I hope things work out for IoJ, they were great back in the day.

Sorin.4310:

How is your build completely destroyed? What’s the trait setup you are running that absolutely required valkyrie armor to make it viable? What stats are you losing (we’ll ignore the stats being added back because we don’t know the numbers yet) that make your build absolutely useless now?

Because this is almost certainly a complete hyperbole.

It’s not neccessarily about the gear but the runes:
06620 thief -after the change all my traits which give me might will be removed. Only “gain might when activating a signets” (I don’t use signets) will remain.
I can partly understand that change, but it’s annoying nonetheless and as I’ve said before; I don’t like the whole revamped Shadow Arts line, but I guess it still will be mandatory because of the condition removal. So I’m unhappy because both of these changes – and yes, that gear is for wvw.

It is a problem for me as my build will be completely destroyed. So I will have full ascended valkyre medium gear with runes of strength for which I will have no use for anymore.
I’m not too happy about it, but I’m not happy about the whole trait line, so I wonder how things will turn out.

He hits too hard and you can’t hit him often enough as that you could make signet of malice work. it’s 83 heal per hit (without possible healing power, just the raw numbers) and you can hit him maybe 6 times before you have to evade/dodge ~500 heal. Then you have to get to him anyway again which takes a while, withdraw has got a cooldown of 15 seconds and heal for 2500 plus you have the evade, hide in shadows has got a cooldown of 1 min 30, heals for 3,900 + somem regen and if you’re using hidden killer you’ve got the plus of a free backstab.

I use Hide in Shadows but would use withdraw, seems the best option against him (and I’ll try it the next time I’m up against him).
I never use signet of malice against single opponents, especially not with dagger (S/P might work).

And for gunnars it would be an irregular placement of dots

But I do like the idea

T raw.4658:

What class does Dark play?

Guess…
PewPewPew

Or he’s a professional troll

BOAsnake.7401:

i found out thats what they do all day and they are legit new players. I mean the gold is great yeah but what happened to exploring the world? doing dungeons? learning the story? This game has so much to offer.

When I was new the Queen’s Gauntlet event was on and that was what I did 24/7 and I had a blast – I found it hilarious that the bosses were just giant disco balls and no one could see a thing. Nowadays that exact same thing annoys me

But see, I’m a valuable member of the GW2 community now, although I spent my early days at one spot.

Lunacy Solacio.6514:

oh it could be, but even then it doesn’t ‘guarantee’ just increases likelihood. It could be the datacenters isp. Op’s situation likely falls under internet issue, especially if this is a common thing. There is so much people don’t understand about the internet, routers, modems, wifi, etc.. Your situation is more likely to be with the EU datacenter I’ll agree. Would still say give it time to resolve itself and settle. And as you did, post in the eu lag thread if the issue happens a lot.

True, but what you don’t understand is that a lot of us live with this for a long time now – I have pingplotter running 24/7. So I see where packet loss is occuring.
And if 60 people are lagging at the same time, then you can assume that it’s not everybody’s internet connection. Also a dev admitted that wvw has got lag issues “We uploaded a patch to make the pvp lag better but for some reason it made the wvw lag worse”:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Lag-March-2015/page/2
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Not saying you don’t have a point, some people have got troubles with their ISP, but that’s not the whole story.

This is already in game and it works.

The guard forum came to us calling zero

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/F2-button-for-Stolen-Item-skill-usage/page/3 (second half of the page)

Ragnarox.9601:

We don’t have mace daze…so stealing something that we dont have is plain stupid.

I do wonder if other classes get the same amount of prematury hate.

The stuff we steal is to compensate for things we lack to fight against the class we steal from. Doesn’t matter whether or not you have daze. It has always been like that.

Weylin.6478:

rage

That’s not really true – you can craft a lot of stuff and make a profit, you just have to figure out what the people need, that’s always the case if you want to make money.

lvis.3824:

Jana.6831:

Not really, if you play only pve then you don’t need the change, but in pvp and wvw this is really good, even if you have to keybind another key.
Using warrior’s elite can get me killed in some cases, so I usually use it when I’m stealthed and far away, but how many times can I do that? Not often, so I miss out on my steal because using the elite would kill me.

Are you serious ???
Never heard that using ANY abiliity while whirling warrior’s axe will immediatly stop the skill ? Perhaps you should not play so much pve ….

No, I haven’t.
But still you have enginer’s goo which prevents stealthing, healing seed which reveals your position and all other stuff you need to get rid of before you can do what you initially wanted to do.
Not saying the stolen skills are useless, they’re just not useful in every situation.
So, if you’re a pro player who never needs to drop a bundle, then this change is bad for you, I agree – another keybind is really too much.

Edit: Btw thanks for pointing that out – I still can’t do everything I want if I hold that bundle, but I can get rid of it way faster.

Not really, if you play only pve then you don’t need the change, but in pvp and wvw this is really good, even if you have to keybind another key.
Using warrior’s elite can get me killed in some cases, so I usually use it when I’m stealthed and far away, but how many times can I do that? Not often, so I miss out on my steal because using the elite would kill me.

mauried.5608:

As an aside to this issue, can NPCs rez dead players?
Ive often seen NPCs rezzing other dead NPCs , but never a player.
Would be cool if they could especially if you die somewhere and there are NPCs around who will run to your aid.

In wvw they do -you have to be at the right spot in the right angle though (so lets say in 75% of all cases you’re dead around living npcs you will be rezzed by them)
Which can be rather annoying if you try to solo cap a camp and got the enemy player downed or killed.

Really good, you might be the best S/D thief I’ve seen.
And I need to practice dodgebow more!

Foxhound.3465:

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+1 (*7)

You said it better than I ever could =)

Volrath.1473:

The ranger’s Healing Seed will have a reduced duration (10s ? 5s), but pulse twice as fast (2s pulse ? 1s pulse) meaning if you dont have improv you will get condis removed TWICE as fast, removing DOUBLE the condis and gain the same regeneration you have right now. Now double all that with improv if you trate it.

seriously… how can you ppl see a nerf here?!…

I can blast that thing 5 times, I can heartseeker it five times, each time it gives me ~1,5 k health -so it is a nerf as the combo relies on my healing power alone.
And I wonder how I should send rangers to kingdom come according to protocoll now. (I never stomp them).

Natto.5819:

Isn’t it cheating or considered trolling to double team a server?

No, but it’s effective.
Sometimes one really thinks the others are double teaming when the truth is that your side is just weaker/easier at the moment. Sometimes, I think they are picking us because we’re more interesting and 3 weeks ago I was sure the other two servers had a treaty “you can cap everything from us but not our keeps and we won’t attack any of your towers, but help us to get second”. Well, thanks a lot! And it worked, we ranked down because that server did it 2 weeks in a row.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

It’s much different in lower tiers than it is in higher and I say this as someone who has been in both positions.

In T1 – 3 it’s mostly a “for the tick” capture that is rarely ever defended and upgraded. The same all the way down to about T5 although from T3 – T5 there are more times where people will attempt to upgrade/defend it. Beyond T5 it quite often gets upgraded by the strongest server and if it’s not captured before the walls and gates are finished it tends to linger, get fully upgraded and become a huge pain in the butt for the servers that don’t own it. Right now is a perfect example, GoM has it fully upgraded and has been trebbing our keep on and off all day.

I guess a lot of these upgrades happen because no one wants the enemy to get 1k + supply, so if the “night” or whatever shift of the enemy servers isn’t strong enough SM will upgrade and getting a T3 SM is a pain!
And well, holding it is also a pain, as long as the enemy forces are strong. I hate to lose everything because the commander wants to hold SM at all costs.

Zero Day.2594:

Jana.6831:

Zero Day.2594:

He was saying about tPvP/sPvP.

Even there it’s solo roam/holding every class
But maybe not in the meta because this game is all about pvp, isn’kitten
(I know that anet “balances” regarding pvp)

Edit: I really hate that I’m not allowed to write “Ist es nicht?” in English!

because isn’ t and it spell a female’s chest…. well a part of it anyways…. yup, amazing filtering/regex.

I already figured that, believe it or not

Zero Day.2594:

He was saying about tPvP/sPvP.

Even there it’s solo roam/holding every class
But maybe not in the meta because this game is all about pvp, isn’kitten
(I know that anet “balances” regarding pvp)

Edit: I really hate that I’m not allowed to write “Ist es nicht?” in English!

They can – every class can roam – fact is most people don’t roam anymore, or if so it’s 2 to 5 to 50(yeah, that happens) But if I meet solo roamers, they’re either mesmers, rangers, warriors, guards, eles, necros or engis, no thieves, it’s always 2 thieves if so.
Thieves have got the advantage that they can pop shadow refuge and run once they are vastly outnumbered – that alone is not really OP but those who want to roam might chose thief for that very reason.

Edit: And yes, that’s what I’m doing =) Although I’m a mobile scout – my server needs to listen to me more, though

I think the only comment I got for my incinerator (except from friends) was :
“Oh right, you’re the idiot who refuses to use double incinerator!”

You mean dodgebow?
See, if thieves themselves are calling it dodgebow already, then lets never buff ability #3!!

Edit: See it’s not just about the weapons but all weaponskills! EVEN MORE POSSIBILITIES!

Zero Day.2594:

Instead of asking for something to be nerfed, they could start progressively asking for something to not/never be buffed. Very interesting post specimen.

Yeah although my head starts to feel weird with all the possibilities.

swellercross.3974:

Merge low tier servers, A dead server low population is a waste of bandwidth

Yes and no, there’s still PvE players on the servers, even though it’s all megaserver.

More people or more coverage isn’t the whole truth. There are servers who are just plain bad and that can be annoying when one is used differently. I have been on a bronze server with pro players. I left the other bronze server I’ve been on because nothing ever worked; when defending a camp with one of my allies the ally rather used a toy soldier’s elixier and wrote “pew pew”, people honestly wondered why enemies they had downed rallied (they never cared about their downed allies), a commander with zerg stood in our keep, the gate was at 60% and waited 5 mins for a dolly to come in to use the supply in keep to repair said gate. Fortified was at 98%. And and so on – no fun. I would leave a gold server with players like that. And I’m kitten glad I left!

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