Guild Wars 2

This is probably the best guide you have. Good job.

I am laughing so hard right now.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBcjsOt0_g

Toxsa.2701:

What? Ele is already in the top tier. They actually receive quite some nice buffs too.
Why would it fall from High tier PVP?

Just because something is in a good place now and will be getting buffs for the future, doesn’t mean it will automatically perform well.

Example:

Elementalist Now: 3. Elementalist After Patch: 5.

Every Other Class Now 2. Every Other Class After Patch: 8.

Before the patch Ele was stronger than every other class, AND THEY ARE GETTING BUFFED… OMG.

Yes but every other class got buffed way more which will ultimately put Elementalist at a huge disadvantage.

Disclaimer: Those figures were all made up to bring across a point.

Be viable in top tier comps when the upcoming balance changes go live?

If so, how… and, if not, why don’t you think so?

You know Adandis, I’ve always told people that you and Hehk are 2 of the best PvP multi class theorycrafters I know. Would be nice if you added weapons, sigils and runes though.

Good job.

Think of it as the expansion costing $50 and newer players are getting the core game for free. WoW’s latest expansion is $49.99.

I do wish it was cheaper though.

Fluffball.8307:

I think this needs some serious refinement, but it’s probably where I’d start. I guarantee you this is not the best option.

http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-J7kF3;0wEFt-p2VEF-0;9k2D;1_bZ;0137236058;9;1jwmAjwmA0M

What do you think may be the meta build for Rangers then?

Ashen.2907:

This is likely not seen as either a source of revenue if developed or of a loss of revenue if not developed.

I have no idea why, but this statement infuriates me.

Has anyone figured out any top tier sPvP builds that could be viable for Ranger after the patch?

I miss the oldschool Beastmaster builds. Do you guys see any version of that coming back?

I would love to hear some feedback on this.

I don’t play an Ele.

One of the reasons why I don’t play an Ele is the same reason why I don’t play a Thief.

I find it overwhelming.

Too many buttons, too many things to remember. All the combo’s and blast finishers… too much.

I multi-class though. I play everything else.

That being said, I’ve seen a lot of people complain that the upcoming changes will be simplifying Elementalists…

How so? I’d really like some detail on that.

If they are really making them easier, that is good news for me…

I’ve actually always liked the idea of playing an Ele… but the attunement switching and the need to do blast finishers and combo’s… I didn’t like having to cycle through all that. I tried Diva’s Condi Signet Build which was really fun, but it wasn’t very effective during higher tiers of gameplay.

Will these changes make it simple enough that I may actually enjoy playing an Elementalist more extensively?

If that’s the case, how so?

Mo Mo.1947:

Hey though, it would be nice to save names. But I just don’t think it’s a big deal.

I think it’s a pretty big deal.

rodadams.5963:

I’d be happy for a /petname command to rename my current pet. That would at least make it a lot easier to change, and far less mouse clicky.

I’d be happy for this too… but I’d much prefer for it to save all the names like in WoW.

I’m hard pressed to believe that it’s really that hard to accomplish.

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When will this happen?

Rangers have been asking to save the names for all their pets since August 2012.

Two years ago, Regina Buenaobra made this statement: “Thanks for the suggestion. We’re aware of this request from ranger players.” – https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/ranger/Saving-pet-names/first#post56611

Here are some quotes from other players:

“ArenaNet could have the pet names stored client-side. When you bring out a new pet, your client would automatically use the name stored for it.”

“ArenaNet would simply have to verify the name set by the client… what they already do when we are manually setting it.”

“Basically, instead of having us constantly remember our pet names and set them manually… have the game client do that for us. Very simple and it doesn’t require any additional storage for ArenaNet.”
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Can we get an ETA?

Caedmon.6798:

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Caedmon.6798:

alemfi.5107:

Caedmon.6798:

No bad word about condi’s unlimited stacking,but this…this hurts you,just lol.

In a pvp environment, it’s very rare to even hit the 25 bleed stack cap, so I don’t see the change affecting pvp that much, maybe burning and poison stacking intensity with poison fields from thief shortbow and engi grenades.

I can easily stack 25 bleeds on condi warr,i dont even wanna see what 3 – 4 people are able to do when they all run condi spec,and they will..all run condi spec when this patch hits.

And the Shoutbow Warrior shrugs it all off together.

And ? Your point is let’s all run shoutbow or.. ?

Realistically the increase will not affect PvP at all. Trust me.

ExpelHax.8012:

real reason why the decicion is unfair:

team salt went to an admin telling him that the team MC is possibly cheating (i think even before the match started), the admin responded that he will tell arenanet about it .
so before the whole oRNG thing happened, SALT already told the admins about the fraud.

ChoChoBo.6503:

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It wouldn’t be a continuation of the first match that was postponed, the match would have to be restarted. In other words that match was made void and the real match was still tentative.

L Step.8659:

oRNG would’ve beat MC or SALT regardless, glad they get to go so we can see the best teams from EU.

Nobody thought Hasim Rahman would beat Lennox Lewis or that Buster Douglas would beat Mike Tyson. An upset is always a possibility if you allow the opportunity.

I give credit where credit is due.

Condi changes? Absolutely brilliant.

Two thumbs up to the developers on this one. FINALLY condi builds will be viable in PvE.

I love you guys. This is literally a dream come true for me.

I think I’ve been asking for this since beta.

I am half tempted to fly to Washington and give all of you big hugs.

I love the condi changes actually.

Rym.1469:

Rename it to “Drama Theatre”, because that’s where this thread is now heading.

The drama will never end!

ChoChoBo.6503:

When a boxer is DQ’ed from a fight, because the boxer was fouling or breaking the rules, the opponent is automatically given the W and moves on if its a tournament/series.

Correct. AFTER the fight has started. Like when Mike bit Holyfield’s ear. He was DQ’d in the third round. In this case, the DQ happened BEFORE the commencement of the fight.

No fighter moves up the ladder because his opponent was caught for doping before the fight took place.

OlrunTheBlade.1486:

No. If Boxer C got dqed after beating Boxer D, that result still stands. He just gets disqualified from his match versus Boxer B, which progresses Boxer B to the finals.

Wrong. You can’t get a title shot if you were scheduled to have a qualifying fight. Just like how Braddock got a title shot against Max Baer after beating Corn Griffin when Griffin’s opponent cancelled.

Griffin didn’t get an auto qualify to fight Baer even though he was the number-two contender.

Braddock went on to beat Baer and win the title.

lordmontgomery.4712:

Fay.2357:

Generally speaking, the disqualification of a participant in a tournament after the tournament has concluded does not result in rematches for all games that they played. The matches occurred within tournament rules, and so the results of those matches are valid. The only change is the removal of the said participant from the final results, and all other participants in the tournament are moved up to account for that.

Someone with some sense atleast

+1

Actually no, not really. The difference here is that the qualifying match hasn’t been played as yet. oRNG were supposed to beat another team in order to qualify.

Now, the team they were supposed to beat got disqualified… that should not give them an automatic qualification.

Let’s put this into perspective…

Boxer B and Boxer C are fighting at a chance at a title shot against the champion, Boxer A.

Boxer C gets busted for doping. Boxer B doesn’t automatically get a shot at Boxer A.

Boxer D now gets a title shot and boxer B has to fight him in order for one of them to get a title shot.

Zosek.3658:

Since ESL go4gw2 cup is sponsored by arena net, why not just take ratings from there and determine who goes forward. I really doubt they will re-do the tournament.

Also, murre, stop with the drama, you were never a smart man, but kitten, you are making a fool out of yourself.

He’s not asking to redo the tournament, he’s asking that the match that was supposed to be between oRNG and MC be done between oRNG and the next best team instead which would be SALT.

I don’t see how he is making a fool out of himself.

I would totally want to see that match, there would be a lot to prove with a lot of pride on the line. Intense.

Murre.3548:

I will need to go trough my recordings and see if u are desperate for the answer.

ChoChoBo.6503:

Did they have other people play for them?

Yes. And now they won’t allow SALT to play oRNG for the next spot.

Ristillath.6745:

Stop whining publicly and send Grouch a private message about your issue.

I don’t think causing even more public drama will solve your issue.
Even if I can understand your concern, it’s not something that needs to be discussed in the forums.

Josh Davis.6015:

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To be honest. When people try to troll me, I like it… I find it funny. Yes, even when I am on the receiving end (I suck at Elementalist and Thief). And I am very VERY competitive.

It’s beyond me why people allow others to get to them. No one can make you feel inferior or upset in a video game without your consent. When people act like idiots it shouldn’t grind your gears the way it currently does. Laugh at them like I do. Or if you don’t find it funny, just keep playing and disregard their behavior.

People who get upset at people who are acting silly crack me up. As a matter of fact, I don’t think I would enjoy PvP if it were completely void of trolls. Real talk.

Competitive games need people like these:

Duckwark.7830:

What about renaming this specialization to Nai-Draug? Draug is obviously a word for Dragon, and Nai sounds similar to ‘nigh,’ meaning near, or Close to. Judging from the skill Dragon’s Maw, this specialization must have absorbed some power from the dragons, making it Close to Dragons.

Well, there’s the above, and it’s completely backwards from how most of us envisioned how Guardians act.

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Unfortunately, I actually rather like this idea, but using it for sarcastic purposes was just too tempting.

That idea is worse than Dragonhunter.

All these people who allow trolls to get to them confuse me and entertain me all at the same time.

nightblood.7910:

Ive watched many on my blocklist go back to PvE after a match with me.

Am I the only one who thinks this is fantasticamente?

This is super cool. All you do is type http://multitwitch.tv/ then add the peoples game names after each like the illustration below:

http://multitwitch.tv/guildwars2/magictoker/leet0

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You can switch between all chat channels and everything. Super cool if you ask me.

Killthehealersffs.8940:

Jasher.6580:

Killthehealersffs.8940:

They are using WoW model ….

Are you joking?

Ofc i wont joke , when i speak to the blockheads PvP community ….
Not when they had 7 years to matture and see their past mistakes ….

In the previous expansion in WoW there where 2 teams in 2v2 and 3v3 , where they had 31 games played and they where 4th in their Leaderspot .
If you search my history , you wil see that , when i get argue with an other player from WoW , where he claimed in that game ‘’newers player would never play minimul amount of games and be in the top spot’’ …..
HE WAS WRONG !

So in the revious leaderboards we had the same system and some players playing some games , then go afk (do you rememeber any whining back then , and we forced them to change the system ?)

And now with the current system , (as you said) :
Play more games like WoW = more points = we dont have to deal with afkers
Do you see any whiining about changing this ‘’grindy ladder’’ ?

Any Leaderboard . where the other 4 team8s is not organized/in your team/without voice chat/you cant control their actions/you dont know them = worthless ….
Ad you want visible Personal Rating (and not Team Rating) , when we have these issues ?….

I can’t respond to this because I genuinely do not understand anything you are saying.

BlueDragon.7054:

Evan Lesh.3295:

I still don’t think using MMR directly is a good idea for a leaderboard, but I fully understand why people would want it: It is perceived as a better indicator of skill most of the time.

Here is why it doesn’t work well:
Random jumps: Glicko is used to make the best match possible. It does this by adjusting quickly which can result in very large jumps up and down before settling.
No Decay: We can’t decay MMR directly, which causes the problem of people sitting inactive at the top of the leaderboard.

Our best bet is to create a system that lives side-by-side with the Glicko MMR. The original system does its thing and makes good matches while the new one can be a new algorithm, or a filtered glicko algorithm to give us more friendly numbers without negatively affecting matchmaking.

Thoughts?

This can be solved by having short seasons (1 month seasons) and setting a minimum number of games to play per season to appear in the leaderboards for that season, like 50 games.

So you reset the leaderboards every month but keep the mmr of players. The minimun number of games would prevent people from not playing and getting in the leaderboards and also to adjust their position accordingly.

And also reduce the volatility for not playing to avoid people from playing only the last week and boosting their mmr. If their skill level really decreased the mmr should adjust fast even without volatility, and it s very unlikely that someone improves without playing.

I don’t think it s good to have a high volatility for not playing in a month. I think that the skill level of someone doesnt change much from not playing in a month, even 2 months, because there are very few balance patches, and even if there s a balance patch, they just need to read the patch notes to see what changed.

I actually agree with this a lot. Short seasons can/will solve those issues.

Killthehealersffs.8940:

They are using WoW model ….

Are you joking?

Evan Lesh.3295:

Jasher.6580:

But as my post suggests, wins should only serve to rectify ties with personal rating. Just like it shows with the link in my last post for the people in rank 23, 24 and 25.

What I was getting at is that Glicko MMR is very granular, and would almost never need tie-breakers to differentiate players.

Okay fair enough. My question though is, what are the challenges of just copy pasting World of Warcraft’s current leaderboard system to Guild Wars 2?

Differentiating placements on different Professions and the whole nine yards… (seasons etc)?

Basically if you did this, a LOT of people would be happy.

I don’t know why, but I can’t stop laughing after reading the OP.

With the WoW system it’s IMPOSSIBLE for someone to play just 30 games and AFK with a rating of 3201 and have the number 1 spot. You simply can’t get that rating unless you play a certain number of games.

Their arena system would be perfect.

Evan Lesh.3295:

Jasher.6580:

This way we don’t have to worry about decay or inactivity, we rectify position on the leaderboard based on wins and losses.

This is one thing that the current point system has going for it. We don’t need decay because players can pass each other. However, this gives the impression of grind being how to climb. The point system would have to be much less granular for wins to be a good tie breaker.

But as my post suggests, wins should only serve to rectify ties with personal rating. Just like it shows with the link in my last post for the people in rank 23, 24 and 25.

What we need to do is scrap the current concept of the leaderboard and go with personal rating like WoW.

So 3 people could have a rating of 3103 like in the link below with a rank of 23, 24 and 25 respectively. We all know that someone with a 3103 rating is godlike in PvP (The leaderboard is serving its purpose).

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/leaderboards/3v3
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This way we don’t have to worry about decay or inactivity, we rectify position on the leaderboard based on wins and losses.
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So if someone gets 1500 rating and stops playing, that wont stop someone else from playing more and possibly surpassing that number.
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Also, we need seasons where the leaderboard resets.
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p.s. we NEED to separate it by profession, so 1 person could have 3 professions at different spots on the leaderboard if they are that good.

e.g.

1. Jasher [Guardian Symbol]
2. Magic Toker [Thief Symbol]
3. Jasher [Mesmer Symbol]
4. Helseth [Mesmer Symbol]

Vieux P.1238:

lighter.2708:

I think with a free PvP client, there will be more players

I would do it for the next 4 months. To at least test out the theory. Let players accumulate stuff from tracks & preview skins, but never be able to ware it or spend what they accumulate till they buy the game.

No, they should be able to spend it, but they can’t use the Auction House. Then can level up to 80 using tomes and use all consumables in the Heart of the Mists.

Trust me, once they get to 80 in PvP they are going to want to buy the game so they can use their level 80 in the real PvE world.

1) Make PvP (Heart of the Mists) Free to Play.

Free to Play = Anybody can download it and play it, like LoL and soon to be Wildstar.

2) ????

3) Profit
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You’re welcome.

I’ll send my consultancy invoice in the mail ArenaNet.

What did he get banned for?

I would not go with Dragonbane. If we were to go with something Dragon, I would choose Dragonslayer.

The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

- Morpheus, The Matrix

The reason people dislike it is because of the snowball effect it has. Whoever wins the first team fight will continue to have an advantage throughout the rest of the match.

If they broke it up into rounds, making each death permanent until the start of the next round it wouldn’t feel as punishing and “snowbally”.

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

- Theodore Roosevelt