You see Jasher, you are a tiny dancer and you need to make the ele dance through it’s rotation. Sometimes you have to change your dance based on the class you are dancing with. Sometimes you miss step in your dance and the rotation is messed up, so you need to reset or try to get back in the “groove”. But overall ele DD is a sustain build so you won’t really kill quickly and just work on your might stacks and keep burning up.
There is really no other point in playing other builds, maybe DF, but its almost the same as DD. Staff and SF can work but other classes do what they can better and survive better. Best of luck my friend.
I am really trying to understand why people say Ele’s are OP or faceroll. I have been trying and for the life of me, I can’t get it to work. I’ve been playing Dagger Dagger Ele with the build from metabattle and watched Phantaram’s might stacking video…
I feel weak playing Ele.
Why do people say it is OP?
Because “play style difficulty” and “relative class power” are 2 different and unrelated things. And the problem with the class is the latter not the former.
Well if what you’re saying has any merit to it, it poses and even greater problem. If a novice player is having a hard time being effective with Ele, and they nerf it based on professional execution then the casual to intermediate players will feel even weaker than they currently do.
Yes they likely will and no that is not a problem, if you cant execute the class mechanics, nerfs and opness not the real issue with you playing that class.
Also class mechanics can always be revised if they are exceedingly complex, much like the revenant now having access to 2 weapons instead of the original 1.
I am really trying to understand why people say Ele’s are OP or faceroll. I have been trying and for the life of me, I can’t get it to work. I’ve been playing Dagger Dagger Ele with the build from metabattle and watched Phantaram’s might stacking video…
I feel weak playing Ele.
Why do people say it is OP?
Because “play style difficulty” and “relative class power” are 2 different and unrelated things. And the problem with the class is the latter not the former.
Well if what you’re saying has any merit to it, it poses and even greater problem. If a novice player is having a hard time being effective with Ele, and they nerf it based on professional execution then the casual to intermediate players will feel even weaker than they currently do.
I am really trying to understand why people say Ele’s are OP or faceroll. I have been trying and for the life of me, I can’t get it to work. I’ve been playing Dagger Dagger Ele with the build from metabattle and watched Phantaram’s might stacking video…
The game is buy to play. that’s why its less people playing …. comparing to other Esports that are Free to play …
Oh noes, the whole 10 euros/dollars you have to pay at the start, how soul destroying.
the point is not just price …. why would u buy the game when you can play other bigger Esport for free
The reason this game is dying is because people are leaving, not because people don’t buy the game.
Trust me, the initial price barrier is a huge deterrent. By the way, do you guys Team Paradigm or Super Squad would still be doing well if they were still around?
If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected .”
Everyone huh? Define everyone and show me your proof that you are acting as a fair representation for the majority… sorry I mean the entirety of the EU player-base.
Mesmers are in a good spot right now. I disagree that they got overbuffed. They have multiple counters and a number of glaring weakness’ to offset whatever you think is overpowered.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w
Would you mind having an open discussion about the glaring weaknesses?
EDIT – I’m intrigued why you would link that video, as after watching it, this seems more like a case of the developer not balancing for skill properly.
Well it depends. Traditional Shatter has different weakness’ from Mantra shatter.
The weakness’ they have in common though is:
- Susceptibility to condi’s. (zero condi removal)
- Susceptibility to high mobility classes with burst.
- Lack of mobility outside of Portal and Mesmer Blink. (both having substantial cooldowns and/or niche uses based on the competency and/or coordination of the group.
- Difficulty landing successful shatters. (incoming omg it’z so ezee 2 land shaterz). Nevertheless, I still find it difficult and Mesmer is 1 of 3 main classes I’ve played regularly on a competitive level for a number of years. I’m almost 100% sure other people are having a difficult time with it as well.
- I know this is anecdotal evidence so you can take this one with a grain of salt, but when I play against Mesmers with other classes, I have zero difficulty killing them. Whenever I do lose, I always know why I lost and what I could have done differently to win. Counterplay.
Mesmers are in a good spot right now. I disagree that they got overbuffed. They have multiple counters and a number of glaring weakness’ to offset whatever you think is overpowered.
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w
Let me see if I understand clearly what the OP is asking for.
He wants less people to have access to overpowered builds because the developers will not find them out as quickly as they currently do and attempt to balance the game?
In other words, he thinks they are balancing the overpowered builds too quickly?
I had the most problems picking up Engineer and Mesmer (before patch), so it really is subjective to an extent.
I will say however, generally in terms of consistency the often most hard to learn professions are Ele, Engi, Mes and Thief. Some do deviate from this, however, I find this to be the most common occurrence.
I’ve played Mesmer for a long time so it comes really easy to me.
The best for now is cond engi.
Then melee ele, provided that he attacks more than trying to survive.
LB ranger after, provided that the pet is alive and able to attack.
Then melee thief (pistol-whip build is still good, btw).
GS mesmer. I like mesmer with mantras in PvE. Feel superior.
Staff ele (fire\arcane glass canon)
Cond war (if skillfully use both bow and sword)
Bers guardian (excluding the bug with symbols)
Power engi.
Power war (not that good as many think)
Power necro.
Cond mesmer.
Cond ranger.
Cond ele (with signets, scepter, etc)
Cond necro (excluding epidemic)
Cond guardian (still it seems poor in AOE)
I’m not sure why but you list seems a little questionable.
Pro tip: Take the time to read the skill tool tips and familiarize yourself with where those skills are. Play, and in time you’ll begin to associate atunement swapping to the skills you need based on your relative needs at that time.
Also ele makes for a good skill spam class, so its pretty easy to pick up and just mash away like you’ve got boiled potatoes in a pot ;D
I know where all the skills are, and I have everything keybound. I just don’t feel effective when I play Ele.
Spamming the skills doesn’t work.
Maybe all the people I play against are just really really good? I’m not sure but I don’t find Ele to be effective at all.
Am I the only one who has a hard time playing Elementalist?
I multiclass… and to me, Elementalist is the hardest class to play. Hands down… followed by Thief. But Ele is way harder.
D/D… I can’t kill anything.
Staff… It’s waaaaay easier bunkering on my Guardian so I don’t see the point. Staff Ele is also hard for me to play. I can’t get the whole combo thing.
S/F Fresh air FEELS a lot better because my attacks in Air attunement feel like they are actually doing damage but I melt whenever someone looks at me funny.
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I am slowly coming to grips with the fact that Ele and Thief might not be the classes for me, but I was wondering if there was anyone else out there who find Ele really difficult to play well?
That site is very out of date, and isn’t something that currently is being updated from what I know,
I dont have all the numbers but from what I understand right now it’s
Ele (Gets crazy high with large targets)
Engi (engi and thief being close in single target and Engi pulling ahead in groups)
Thief
Warrior(This and ranger might be flipped)
Ranger
Guard
Mesmer (bare in mind that mesmer has great skills where necro is just damage)
Necro (Close to mesmer dps, trades places with mesmer if the mesmer has to bring lots of support.)
Is Engie still high with the Grenade and Mortar Shot nerf?
I also feel like this is true for every game. I would guess that 99 percent of spectators for any e-sport have played the game in some capacity before.
But it is true that too many of Guild Wars 2’s telegraphs are either too much or too little.
The reason big e-sports games get big is because they are well designed for spectators. Friends that have never played League of Legends will sit down and watch me play, and absolutely understand pretty much everything happening on a mechanical level with only a little explanation from me, or the shoutcaster if we’re watching a pro match. There’s just a massive problem with how animations and spell effects were implemented in this game. Not to even mention the “chibi smurf war” that is the natural result of one race having ridiculously impossible to read animations in PvP.
I don’t understand anything happening in any of the LoL streams. And that’s me being 100% honest.
I think what he means is that the loss of utility may amount to overall loss of DPS for the group when attempting to put together a relevant speed clear comp.
Personal DPS is useless in the greater scheme of things.
Well that is my interpretation of what he is saying. The tool below is really good at figuring out optimal comps.
I was just talking to Nike from DnT. I asked him to check out this thread. He said the problem he has with the build is that it doesn’t have Frost Spirit or Spotter so he said the personal DPS might be good but that wont matter in the grand scheme of things.
He also said the power build used for comparison doesn’t use the best rotation possible and probably wont even be the one used after the patch.
He said it may be a good idea for boss solos but he is unconvinced that it will be good in a group setting.
Could someone out there do me a HUGE favor and crunch the numbers to indicate the difference in damage between a FULL condi Ranger vs a FULL power Ranger after the buffs to condition damage?
I would love to know how viable condi builds will be, and what the disparity would be like between the two specs.
I’ll address a few points here. The first thing I’d like to highlight is that I wasn’t necessarily singling out Elementalists. I don’t play an Ele at all.
Secondly, I don’t agree with your reasoning that Ele’s are slowly falling out of the meta because they are boring. You are using a personal experience or an isolated example instead of actual evidence. As a matter of fact, after speaking with actual players who play Elementalists competitively, they give me other reasons (most of which revolve around the dominance of Shoutbow Warriors).
Thirdly, I didn’t include Mesmer in the title because so far the upcoming changes to Mesmers look incredible. I am almost completely confident Mesmers will do well.
