Guild Wars 2

every thief is op for Ragnar, his guard cant kill them

You cant equip 2 same rings but if you infuse one in MF with fractal essences, you can equip 2 zerker rings.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Ring_of_Red_Death_

Taunt looks like something that will get me killed in an instant.

Rev so far looks like the perfect counter to condi/boon spam we´ve been asking for.

I probably would, if I´d want the skin a lot, for me gold in this game is means for getting stuff, I don´t enjoy the game more with 1000g than with 1g. I spend it all.

/dontgivemeyourgoldz

casual lol

P/D condi is one of the builds that you can walk away from, he can kill you only if you have no burst condi cleanse and you get condi bombed.

If you want to kill a condi thief, you need tons of condi cleanses and burst to kill him fast. Usually what I do when I bump into one, I keep avoiding his attacks/try to deal dmg and see what he does for a while. Most are very predictable and once you figure out his attack pattern and make him think your burst isnt that high, CC/immob him and burst him down.

Casper.6925:

I will try to be brief.Thieves even though they dont have a large presence in wvw zergs (apart from guilds with harass squads) they seem to have literally everything in their kit in order to outclass any other class in small roaming groups and especially in solo play.Great survivability(stealth,constant condition removal), undoubtedly great burst damage and huge mobility.How is this class supposed to be balanced when they have everything at their disposal and all at once?No troll repsonses.I am just stating the obvious.

The obvious is that you are either a new player or mes/ele.

WSR/DZA have the biggest populations in T8/T9. WSR has more overall coverage while DZA has huge zerg during prime time and I barely see any roamers/people outside prime hours. Roaming on WSR bl is painful, although the server has some good small guilds/roamers.

FoW population seems volatile, one week they are so few, they get rekt all the time, next week they wipe the floor with us. Some really good roamers.

BT is the weakest of bronze league, most are not even bronze rank and die fast. The server has some good roamers but they are very few.

Vabbi was my home server for 1,5yr. They have good roamers and small guilds as well but lack regular commanders, when nobody tags up, very few roam.

UW has slightly smaller population than Vabbi, seems more organised tho. UW hasnt faced Vabbi since I transfered :/

Regnum.7102:

Hey.

Was at SM, waiting for the enemy to come to drop them some troll food. I died and then got a steel chest as soon as the lord died. I also got 100 WXP, which is what you get when you killed the lord.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANMQ3OiHHg

So… yeah. What the fruck? xD

Something like this happened to me once when I was defending our keep, I was using ac on enemy zerg that was killing our lord. When lord died, I got a chest with the usual stuff in it including dragonite.

Vukorep.3081:

your channeling doesnt need to stop, but keep it in the direction you it was last used on the thief before it went stealthed

That’s the only “fix” channeled skills should have imo, keep the dmg, remove visual clues that the projectiles are following a stealthed target.

Tribio.8531:

DiscoJacen.1590:

Meanwhile FoW is suddenly winning during the night after more than a minth of defeats and despite us pwning them at every zerg fight and dominating during the day….

Claiming you win every zerg fight against FoW?
Haha, kitten.. We at [Jd] find you kittens at [Zerk] very tasty.. :p

I hate Jd necros, they melt me fast in larger fights :c

I don’t think the usual SA build lacks dmg (overall) since it stacks might with gm minor. VS good players SA builds lack control.

Some very good advice in previous posts.

From playing dps guard myself (still a noob), the only trouble are trickery thieves for me, when they time the interrupt well and when they land the stolen ability. Still very difficult match up for the thief.

OP, SA builds can carry thieves hard, especially if they have easy access to stealth like d/p but you can still kill them. Knockback from bp or interrupt their leap from bp and you can burst him down. Most thieves have very predictable gameplay so it’s not that hard to cc them.

OP, just keep lb in your inventory for those world events where you can’t even see the boss cos there are so many people around, switch back to whatever you want to play after the event. You don’t need lb in most dungeons.

I lvl’d my ranger with sword/warhorn & gs, I run double melee even on my thief . I use lb only at world boss events, gotta love that exciting gameplay with bow while I make sandwich. Yaaaaawn.

No point comparing dmg on aa between classes, all have different mechanics and dmg output on aa isn’t all that matters in combat.

Instead, look at what the buffed dps on RF did with the class. Before power lb ranger could kill someone but most sucked horribly cos 1. the playerbase learned only to pew pew in pve 2. kitten class mechanics (pets can be such a PITA).

Now with increased dps on RF, it’s much easier to deal high dmg, especially in team fights where opponents can’t always keep block/evades/reflect/dodges just for when a ranger uses uses his lb.

If it’s easier to kill others than before, why should lb rangers now even try to go from pve pew pew scrub gameplay to more skilled gameplay?

That’s why I hate lb rangers, most are comfortable to stay that pew pew scrub they are and cause grief to own team/server players by being bad players that turn into rally bots when there is no wall nearby.

no

Stark.1350:

Was curious of everyone’s thoughts on these.

Overpowered? Too easy to deploy/build? All I ever see anymore are guild catapults being used. I’ve seen 4 dropped on a paper tower.

those are regular catas, with the lunar year event, they look almost same as guild catas.

2.5k on aa from a ranger doesn’t bother me, when I get hit by those numbers like on the screenshot, lol, 2-3 autos and I am done. Can’t repost that screenie, not at home.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/6k-Heartseeker-seriously/first#post4635493

Firelysm.4967:

I just hate that players worry more about CAP points then actuall fights..

Zemarca.6218:

I know that ever since launch Zerker has been the meta that everyone goes to but I am a little frustrated at how bursty this game is in any form of PVP. I know I am not a very good player but I dont understand how the devs can allow any class to hit someone for over half their health.
I was running around with my engineer (which i am still learning to play), who had all zerker gear with Dolyak runes and about 20,500 health pool and found myself getting bursted very easily. By easily I mean with in a couple seconds. I have even used full rabid gear with the extra toughness and still I can not with stand a lot of the burst that happens. Yes evade, Yes block,. Maybe I havent found the right build for how I play my Engi I dont know.

I know I suck but I am just wondering if the burst potential of Warrior, Ranger and Thiefs is a little too much?

Eles actually have even higher burst, they just don’t use zerker outside perhaps zerg staff eles. And zerker engi has awesome burst as well, but requires a certain level of skill to be played effectively.

Zerker warr is still fairly tanky, thieves have stealth and rangers are generally just opportunitsts, they fail in toe to toe combat.

You could try condi engi in wvw as condi builds have much higher survivability, if you like direct dmg engi and want to stick with it, it will take time to learn all the tricks necessary to survive and win fights.

The game allows for both extremes, high burst and tankiness too, I play bursty builds yet I often chase someone over rather long distances, trying to chip away their HP. High armour with blocks/heals etc and they just laugh into my face.

RlyOsim.2497:

Prysin.8542:

Lack of mobility is not a huge deal aslong as the whole group sucks at mobility. However once one or more in the party is quicker then the rest, the party is doomed to fail

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune_of_the_Centaur
plus
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Endless_Black_Quaggan_Tonic

perma-aoe-swiftness

People still use this? I find using food/stone every 30mins bothersome, centaur/tonic set up would kill any fun in the game for me.

MunkeeBreath.9165:

Can someone tell me what can be considered a good or at least consistent crit chance for a thief? Right now I have 79-81% crit chance on mine and feel like I’m over shooting it big time.

If that’s your crit chance without fury, then you probably have some gear with precision as a main stat? With a thief, you are better off maxing power for more dmg. My crit chance is around 60%.

yolo swaggins.2570:

The whole profession is cheese according to those people.

Perhaps we’ll get Cheese as specialisation with the expansion.

Sandrox.9524:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

thieves actually hate to fight necros

Define “thieves”?

Cause I have no problem against power necro on any thief build(maybe p/p but that because I dont play that kitten) and I have no probs killing cond necros on x/d with shadow embrace and reju.too easy infact.Even wtihout those traits I prolly can kill them easly and the majority of thieves are the same.Necros are in a hard spot in general.Hopefully the Greatwsord would give them somthing/

Cos you have no problems, others shouldn’t too? Best is, you base your comment on playing with shadow reju, that trait can carry anyone, just like old mesmer PU.

Or like mesmer mantras.

I think that’s due to the amount of teleports thief gameplay involves, I experience what you describe (although the delay is shorter than yours) on my NA account (I am EU player).

I don’t keep eye on ele patch notes but fgs 4 hits like truck, had 9k crit with it on lvl 80 necro the other day. Not saying I get that lucky crit on everyone but if they’d make the dmg higher, I could 1 shot some people with it.

lordkrall.7241:

But why should person X be less valuable for the server than person Y just because person X is not able to play during a supposed prime-time?

Then we also have the people whose prime-time fits neither NA nor EU prime-time.

Not to mention people that work other than typical 9-5 jobs, which might only be able to play during the day or during late night/early morning.

A player is actually more valuable to his server during off hours, takes less people to do the job of many during prime. If enemy servers don’t have those 5 nighcappers that can counter our group of five, then our five players can be responsible for 600+ tick.

Why should nighcappers’ time be more valuable than time of players during prime hours?

I prefer melee staff with martial arts inspired skills. 2H wep as well.

oneply.9586 “thief is a good/great choice, but i wouldnt bother with the ranger. if youre a good player youre going to get bored with.”

I think this opinion is a result of majority rangers playing lb, which is boring to play. Melee ranger gameplay (doesn’t have to be condi tank) is fun, too bad I always rage over me being such a noob with ranger (got only like 35-40 hours on him) so I run back to thief/guard after eating the dirt few times.

Thief is really strong for roaming due to the amount of stealth the class has but I wouldn’t recommend it for your party comp.

Anyone who roams with thief is heavily focused when thief stealths up, your wife and friend would find this rather difficult to deal with. Group stealth is awesome but you can get some (tho not as much as thief can provide) with engi. I think engi would be the best for your party, as they have great dmg mitigation, group support and still are able to put a lot of pressure on the enemy.

Also any party that can dish out direct dmg and condi dmg is big pain for their enemies. Ele would be fine too, to some extent.

HtFde.3856:

You cannot break the class – it is broken. I play one myself …

You also said your server (Dzagonur) is constantly outnumbered (in one of the white sword threads) while Dzagonur was ticking more than of what the other 2 servers had combined. You lost any credibility for me back then and anytime I read your posts, I don’t see a reason to change that.

AnniMira.2506:

Please show how to solo camps? Best spots to lure the guard to? How light geared professions can do it? How Guard Killer and Defend lines help.

Use weapon skills, generally helps with killing npcs :]

Your posts show how much you don’t know about thief class and that’s the main reason why thief seems to strong to you (thieves actually hate to fight necros).

Evasive builds (usually S/D) usually have higher HP from traiting to acro line but 20k? These builds rarely use pistol offhand cos short bow is the no. 1 wep in pvp. Bomb evasive thief with condis and chill to kill them.

Usual D/P build in pvp (those that have access to BP) isn’t traited for more dodges and has rather low HP.

Haven’t noticed any big change in thief population in our tier, just that more and more new thieves play condi p/d. That makes any roaming with party (party members often invite their thief friends) such pain cos condi p/d thief is mostly likely a noob that knows little about his build, chickens out of a fight at 75% HP (same applies to dropping SR next to a downed party member) and his only contribution in a fight is the distraction he causes by constantly stealthing up (many have d/p as secondary).

If he is semi-decent, he might use immob/chill on enemies so the rest of the party can dps them down.

My only hopes are that the scrubs either quit fast or l2p, I am really tired of dying cos someone’s confidence is compromised when his HP goes under 75% and he drops SR on top of me while I am casting dmg skill.

/rant over

Pack for any build.
Traveler only if you prefer 25% speed more than extra dmg.
Strength for x/6/6/x/x/ stabby builds.

I feel your frustration, a class that can do 20k dmg over 2-3mins should certainly be nerfed.

Ross Biddle.2367:

Jayden Ennok.3687:

I never got any QQ on my alts, yeah I got 90% of my wvw time on thief but on engi I run the pure cheese with perp, my ele’s crits so high she can 1 shot light/medium and my medi guard can evaporate light/medium just as fast.

One time I didn’t play my thief for like 1.5month (lvling ele and guard) then when I logged on my thief, 30mins later I got 2 pages of QQ from someone I didn’t even kill.

People would talk kitten about thieves even if our skills would be disabled.

Mesmers could disable thief skills for a few days. There was so much thief QQ, Mesmers were nerfed in a hotfix.

How often does THAT happen from Anet ;D

So much qq you now have the urge to visit thief forums regularly.

cyyrix.6105:

Maugetarr.6823:

cyyrix.6105:

Maugetarr.6823:

Considering he used a 30 second CD, the tradeoff seems fair. Actually if you hadn’t used your sword skill and dodged instead after the sigil gave you the endurance back, you would have revealed the thief when the backstab hit your clone and been able to burst him down using IL, swap, blurred frenzy, and mind wrack.

Waste more CDs trying to burst down a thief that just used consume plasma? Good joke.

The thief’s 30s CD heal isn’t what baited my CDs. It was the threat of a high damage skill being spammed four consecutive times. The thief can spam four backstabs way more than every 30s. Calling that a fair tradeoff is absurd.

Backstab’s spammy mechanic encourages unskillful play. Making it cost initiative (and then maybe increase the damage to compensate) would be a major improvement.

Well, in the current meta, a fair number of mesmers take shattered concentration, so most of the boons remaining would have been ripped (if you had that as well). You also had mantra of distraction, so whether he was D/P or D/D, you had the skills on your bar to stop him from stealthing. Even if he had dropped shadow refuge, you had illusionary wave off cooldown. You had means available to counter all of his stealthing attempts, save blinding powder.

You’re really missing the point here. I’m not complaining about killing thieves. I’m not asking for a nerf. I’m certainly not looking for advice on how to play mesmer.

I’m suggesting a rework that would make good thieves better (higher damage from backstab) in exchange for making bad thieves worse (wasted initiative spamming backstab on blinds/aegis/evades). It would encourage skillful play for everyone.

Bad/inexperienced thieves are already loot bags. Look around thief forums and you see this mentioned many times, pro thieves can own anyone, while new players struggle to survive. I would like more skilled players within thief playerbase, that won’t happen if first 1k hours are such pain that most would just move to another class.

It’s the same guy who was on UW for a while (have him on block list). He was reported like billion times and GMs just don’t care.

Alchemyst posted a vid using 6CS/Acro for sustain. I like builds that heal when dealing dmg as they allow for more aggressive gameplay. However, I personally wouldn’t go 6Acro for AR only, I always miss trickery line too much. I prefer 6CS/Trix, the heal from IP alone is still good.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Video-Acro-D-D-Thief-Roaming-4/first#post4713585

Maugetarr.6823:

Charr is my favorite of the 3 (4) thieves I have. I deleted my sylvari one because of his phrases and animations.

I changed my male sylvari to a girl that fixed that animation/phrase thing for me.

Cynz.9437:

useless set besides some wvw roaming…. idk why people even bother playing it, it just gives you bad habbits

This is something that bothers me. Majority of condi P/D thieves are new to the class/not that skilled and the only thing that P/D needs to succeed is landing CnD (which many compensate with D/P as secondary). So how can those players learn the class if they use a set that allows that many mistakes and doesn’t require much in terms of timing/weapon set skill use.

We’ll just end up with half the thief player base having same skill level as an average pve ranger.

Why everyone thinks that if we’d get a rifle, it would be a direct dmg oriented weapon set? It could be a weapon with skills like scatter shot that applies bleeds, hilt hit that applies confusion etc.

I never liked the running simulator bl maps are, so I’d love to see different maps.

OP, your gameplay won’t get any better if you are here only to QQ.

EDIT: Well, after reading more of his responses, he is either severely lacking brain processing power or just trolling.

With sinister you gain direct dmg equivalent to knights and that combined with weak direct dmg on pistol aa, makes sinister subpar vs dire. Ofc, for a max dmg (condi & direct), sinister is best but you will lose a lot of survivability by not using dire.

You could mix is some sinister for cases like diamond skin ele but they don’t seem to be that common.

Kadin.2356:

It’s a trait that is supposed to help keep you alive that in certain situations can leave you in a tough spot. Older/more skilled players know enough to work around it by now. The question is should they have to be doing so in the first place?

The problem with Last refuge is only L2P, I mean as a guard player, it’s totally my fault Virtue of Justice active sets me on fire occasionaly and kills me, if I was gud, I’d L2P around it. Right?

/s