Guild Wars 2

what i wonder is, i never played pvp games with leagues before but.. right now how you get your ranks on the leaderboards is not that great. would this change? because if it doesn’t it would just encourage “foul play” for the rewards.

3rd place in a tournament yields gift of completion afaik

i wonder against which professions ele is overperforming.

maybe ranger and that’s it.

spirit rangers were nerfed because of the passive play. ele needs a lot of active play to be effective and situational rotation changes. there are teams with 2 warriors or 2 engis aswell.

what about thief + mesmer combo? the majority of the teams run it and usually double ele comps are dd+staff and not double dd.

im not talking about soloQ or teamQ at all but personal skill. and i also stated that i don’t mind if they nerf engi because all passives keep people from developing real mechanical skill.

Windfury.3598:

Jekkt.6045:

Valentin.2073:

Very funny, jekt.

im not trying to be funny, in fact im trying to help you. if you want to we can fight against each other a bit so i can give you tips to improve your play against eles.

What’s there to improve when you have an RTL landing on your kitten for 10k dmg in the middle of a team fight and out of nowhere? See….it maybe not the ele that needs a nerf as a whole, it’s certain kittening skills like kitten RTL.
I was in a team fight with 50 % HP(and probably some conditions up) when an ele just RTL (ed) me and killed me and a necro (with full HP) …..now idk what this was all about….but if this is how RTL works it needs to be nerfed asap. It is game breaking. That ele was just using RTL all the time and running away from fights. Annoying.
I’m with valentin on this except that only certain aspect of the current meta build should be nerfed….like why have a water attunement that heals you like crazy + a kitten heal on the side???
I have killed plenty of eles not that they’re unkillable but they have god mode atm which means they can kitten reset a fight 2 sometimes 3 times….this is annoying as this is kitten game breaking. And all those shields, let me not even start on that. Something needs to be done here Anet.
@Valentin you started a very sensitve thread, all the ele fanclub will be here to defend their god status ^-^

i don’t want to offend you here but when classes get undeserved nerfs its because of people like you who have no clue about what they’re talking. if that ele hit you 10k with rtl he must have really been in godmode… this skill deals maybe 1k damage when it crits…. and even if you meant burning speed, that skill hits 3-5k on glass classes when the ele has 25 stacks of might + its the most telegraphed skill an ele has… (not counting earthshaker).

the majority of the players play hotjoin and a lot of players are just bad. when they face a good player, suddenly builds become op. rather nerf builds than admit that somebody was better.

there are strong builds but overall pvp is very balanced atm.

pvp should be balanced at the high – highest level of play. that’s maybe the reason why turrets haven’t been nerfed yet.

having said that… i wouldn’t mind if passives get nerfed regardless of the level of play they are used in.

Valentin.2073:

Very funny, jekt.

im not trying to be funny, in fact im trying to help you. if you want to we can fight against each other a bit so i can give you tips to improve your play against eles.

Valentin.2073:

Rangers and probably mesmers have been out of the meta for more than a year now.

ofc mesmer has been out of the meta lol. i rarely see teams running mes+thief comps, i only encouter such comps in like 50% of the matches.

rangers are not bad at all, they just dont have what this meta requires. i have fought many good celestial spirit rangers and they never complained a single time.

this meta is the best balanced meta since release

and so is elementalist. ele is in a good spot with hambows and engis and should not be nerfed at all or you will ruin the balance between the bruiser classes.

in fact necros or mesmers can deal with eles very well. if you cant win against eles then let somebody fight them who can, the same way that engis should avoid fights with condi necros.

Elitist.8701:

“have 600 Hp/s regen, at least 60% protection uptime, and burst 4-6k heals every ten seconds, while also having enough damage to kill a heavy golem as fast as an SD Thief

wow that build must be nice, and now lets get back to reality.

signet heals for 276/attack, with regen that is maybe a total of around 450-500/s

you have a lot of protection because you have the lowest base health and the lowest armor in the game.

4-6k burst heals every 10 seconds? you get around 3-4k heal when you attune to water and use a dodge roll for evasive arcana.

and if you want to kill a heavy golem as fast as a thief you have to use all your cooldowns for the burst while the thief can just auto attack. and its your own fault for not running traits in the damage lines but acro…

all hail the top players

na atm

engineer elix x transforms you into rampage form or tornado with a 50% chance. wiki is your friend.

you do it if you want the mini. you can also split the 3 armor sets between the tracks. not everybody is interested in the same things.

i did the region reward tracks 1 time and then never again and i’m sure that there are players who completed them multiple times.

you can’t design them to offer equal rewards because it takes time to get to dragon while rabbit does not.

i think a good addition to the reward track system would be if we can unlock rank specific reward tracks from bunny to dragon which give us access to different pvp only rewards:

- pvp ghostly minis, minis that look similar to the finisher animals. for each specific rank track the corresponding mini.

- the missing pvp armors (commando and co) 1-2 pieces per track. not sure which rank would be appropriate.

- arena tokens.

- bag slot items which were purchaseable for glory back at the time. the higher your rank the better the bag. 1 bag per track.

feel free to post things you think would fit in these reward tracks

Im not for necroing threads but a more telegraphed cast animation should solve the complaints. Make purple feathers surround the mesmer when he casts the skill.

How is ele a dps….. d/d is a bruiser and staff is a bunker. In a teamfight eles are also way more vulnerable than a warrior.

I rather have people running more active builds than a bunker guardian so i dont know why you are complaining. After all this is conquest so expect people to run builds that dont die like flies.

if you nerf fire blast finishers all you do is nerf eles and warriors. engis will stay the same as they dont rely on fire fields but are equally or even stronger than warriors end eles when played well.

still looking for more players we can test! if you think you’re the person we’re looking for just send us a mail or a pm or a forum pm! we are willing to test everybody so don’t be shy

usually we play at around 9pm gmt+1

there is a lot more we would need for esports.. for example:

- tournament shoutouts. world messages stating that there is a tourney going on

- recording of high level matches so that people can rewatch them in the game.

- faster and better balance patches

- a better communication between devs and players. arenanet’s policy is poison.

- better tutorials for starting players

- better rewards / goals. these can be titles or more pvp only skins.

- a map voting system or just the removal of some infamous maps from soloQ..

- seasons with seasonal rewards

- rewards based on leaderboard ranking. top 100 get the same rewards as 90%

- better leaderboards. why are there people with 15 played matches total in top 25?

- better matchmaking. its not nice for lvl 30 players if they get matched with lvl 80
players.

- removal of passives and AI. how should new players learn to play if they get carried by AI?

and a complaint about the hero’s glorious armor: the tog should be the equivalent of the tol in which you win a legendary. the hero’s glorious armor is far from a legendary and you only get 3 pieces when you win the tournament. think about this.

still looking for skilled engis and warriors. just whisper us/ send us a mail or a pm so we can do some test matches.

nickxnickx.5401:

It’s near impossible…
(jekkt) and to not standing in the fire? What does thief do then.. wait until 2 sec later its up again? We are squishy melee fighters. It’s just never going to work.

Conditions are just too passive. I was literally just walking by a fight, in the last match i played, and got 3 conditions on me while i was in stealth.

Its just this condition era we’re in, mixed with thief having very little condition removal, and low hp/toughness.
oh and not many healing opportunities.
oh and terrible trait lines that dont match weapon sets.
oh and good amount of bad utilities.
oh and many bugs with stealth and shadow steps..

You really cant be serius about what you wrote…
Why would you stand on a point at all as a thief… Your job is to spike enemies down and not holding a point… In order to do that you use your shortbow and shadowsteps.

Most fire fields have more than 2 sec cd fyi and as a thief you can kite a guard because he has only 1 gap closer on a long cooldown and 1 leap (assuming gs + medi).

Withdraw is one of the best heals in the game. Traitlines synergize very well with weaponsets… Utils are very good except traps and venoms. I dont know about any stealth bugs. Every class has problems with teleports.

Please dont write such stuff on the forums if its not true. Thief was my main for over a year and i have well over 2000 hours on him. I think i know what im talking about.

I guess you are talking about dps medi guards here.

About thief changes:

Afaik bountiful theft prioritizes stability (not sure if it only does when you use sleight of hand). Aegis is a block, steal is not unblockable and therefore wont work.

An auto attack going through blocks? No thanks.

Contemplation of purity is one of the only active condi cleanse a dps guard has. Dps thieves usually dont even use more than 3 condis so i dont understand your complaints at all.

Same for purging flames, why would you care about them. Just dont stand in the burning..

If you look at the burn uptime a nornal medi guard has this trait is quite weak and most of the time negligible. I understand it though when its a 2v2 agaibst the guard and a longbow war but as a thief you shouldnt be stabding in the fire field anyway.

Focused mind is in the meditation trait line. Why would you put it somewhere else.

Smite condition is strong but if you nerf it it will make medi guards a lot more worse. After all its one of their main healing/cleansing sources.

About burning:

I agree that burning is very strong but all of the classes except thief have enough access to it so imo it is balanced. I just feel like that burning shouldnt be all passive which it is in some cases atm.

Sorry but i dont agree with your complaints at all and i dont even main a guard. Just because a thief cant beat a zerker warrior spec but all other zerker specs doesn’t mean that medi guard is op…

They should definitely add them to soloq. We also need more models, when you have enemys of the same class it can get very annoying. Especially if they are mesmers. Keepingtrack of the name in a fight can sometimes be hard.

Idk why we would need it in spectator mode but as long as its a toggle option i wouldnt care anyway.

Id rather have higher tiers of the current titles. Champ → legendary [insert class name] for 500 won matches.

Still looking for good and dedicated players.

Still looking for a new team and open for test games/duels

the devs once stated that while it is possible they would rather create new maps for different game modes.

if you waste your initiative you’re dead anyway. no initiative, no evades/stealth, more conditions = dead

backstab is 26006

ofc every weaponset has its build variations but if you really want to do damage as a lb ranger you have to go 66200. if you position right and you’re at 1500 range you usually dont even get any conditions. and this leads to my last sentence which wasn’t a joke at all.

in an optimal case you want to avoid all damaging conditions. there are several ways to do that. as i wrote above, a ranger with 1500 range won’t be hit by a 900 range pistol engi.

if i play on my s/f berserk ele and i have to face a condi engi i try to avoid all of his ranged condition attacks with blinds, projectile destroy, reflects, invuls. if i do get conditions i have 2 condi cleansing skills (earth4 and water dodge).

now as i said this is the optimal case and is hard to maintain. luckily you have teammates who can focus the enemy’s condi classes so you can play with less worries.

Lukas.7159:

Jekkt.6045:

More or less it’s the same for all berserker specs except power necro and medi guard which have a bit more cleanses.

ah so for example a sd thief cant remove condis with the sword, shadowstep or whatsoever? or a backstab thief usually runs the condi remover when stealthed trait

a power ranger can transfer 3 condis each 10secs to their pet PLUS a signet which makes you lose one condi each 10secs….

even engis have a trait (thats even a standard trait) what TURNS a condi into a boon (not even removed, no it gets turned into a boon) PLUS 2 condi remover on a 15sec healskill cooldown

a thief trying to cleanse all the conditions with shadow return is wasting all his initiative. you usually do this when you have a single strong condition, like burning. if you have many cover conditions this is useless. and no, backstab thieves don’t run the stealth cleanse.

a typical power ranger does not run empathetic bond

again, berserk engis don’t run this minor trait and 2 condis removed each 15 seconds does not help much against condi specs. even normal engis struggle with condi removal.

the way these builds work is: a) let your teammates cleanse your conditions. or b) dont even get conditions.

Raven.9603:

Jekkt.6045:

your condition damage

no.

they use the condition damage of whoever put the condition on you (eg the damage you were taking).

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sigil_of_generosity

interesting. i always thought the sigil works similar to arcane thievery and plague signet.

Happened to me some times today on my berserker. Just because a mesmer cant maybe oneshot a warrior doesn’t mean he can’t oneshot other berserkers or light celestials.

ellesee.8297:

full teams to help them with condis and peels! This will probably never happen if you are solo queue-ing

I could cry when i read this

Blackjack.5621:

Mesmer/Thief combo is op because of their broken damage.
Especially Mesmer damage is broken while thief fits more the mobility role.
A single Mesmer can oneshot people with direct damage and clones alone are almost impossible to outsustain.

Finally somebody who speaks the truth.. i always thought i’m the only one thinking that mesmer damage is crazy…

More or less it’s the same for all berserker specs except power necro and medi guard which have a bit more cleanses.

guardian doesn’t hurt anybody. that’s why people complain less

it’s the same when you write something about a bug. usually the devs read most of the threads (at least i think) but they don’t or can’t answer stuff or on what they’re working.

it’s just arenanet’s 19th century policy.

ofc people want that. thief ruins the gameplay for all other classes. it’s not even if thieves are strong or not it’s just the playstyle which is hated.

when i learned one thing from any mmo it is that stealth or evading classes are hated the most. it is a psychological barrier, you “can’t hit” what you don’t see and you rage when you see something but still can’t hit it.

other than that, thieves destroy the gameplay for other berserk classes. so do mesmers to a certain degree. both classes are good against boon heavy classes which is another advantage in this meta.

thief and mesmer are not the hardest classes in game at all and you shouldn’t base the difficulty on classes anyway but on builds.

thieves were brought a bit more in line with other specs but are to this date superior to most of the berserk specs and so are mesmer.

what makes these 2 classes so good? the survivability they have next to their high damage output.

now survivability does not mean how many hitpoints you have or how much protection uptime you can get. it is about the evades and the ability to disengage or to get out of focus.

if you dont believe me, go play power engi or scepter berserk ele.

hi my name is Inflambio and i am looking for a team that wants to participate in the world tournament series.

i am the former elementalist of the team “peanut butter jelly times” but due to rl circumstances in the team, i am looking for a new one.

what i can offer:

- i am 21 and i live in a wts allowed country so there shouldn’t be any problems.

- i have 3791 played pvp games, 1992 soloQ and 581 teamQ.

- highest soloQ rank: 23, teamQ: 174

- i am multiclass but i usually play d/d celestial ele in serious matches.

- i have a good understanding of my class and mechanical skill.

- i am able to participate in tpvp training everyday from ~19:00-~22:00 gmt+1

- i can speak english and german

- ts3 + headset

what i want:

- team members with a similar amount of skill

- a team i can have fun playing with

- a motivated and passionate team

- respectful behaviour inside the team

if you think i am what you’re looking for / you are what i’m looking for send me an ingame mail / a forum pm.

sincerely, inf

Tbh there’s not much to say and imo a CDI is not necessary. All we need is a teamQ for 2vs2, the new GvG maps which have been leaked (with their own queue) and ladders with rewards based on your ranking for each of the 3 modes.

your condition damage

glass builds i enjoy:

scepter/focus ele
medi guard
static discharge engi
power well necro
power ranger to some extent.

though the true die-hard builds are ele and engi.

shatter mesmer, necro with corrupts (utility, dark path, spite can help too), chill in general, use poison, all kind of cc. spike when they exit water attunement.

i’d say scepter berserk eles. 1 mistake and you are dead.

Killing d/d celestial eles isn’t that hard if you know what you’re doing.

Apply poison as often as you can, best when the ele leaves water.
Stuns and disables in general. Eles need to attack for their signet heal, no attack no heal.

Corrupt boons works wonders, shatter mesmer aswell. Each shattered clone removes 1 boon, 3 for all clones and 4 if shatters work on you too.

Despite having good healing capabilities celestial eles only have 2350 armor and are an easy target if you and your team know what to do.

Ofc a good ele will try to get out of your focus.

That being said you should still focus other classes first, namely ones that can put your comp in a dangerous situation and usually that won’t be a celestial ele.

High ranked players should ge better rewards, as of now leaderboard rank 1-100 get the same rewards like unranked players.

Hotjoin is a mess, the rewards you get are good enough for the fact that you don’t even need to know what you have to do.

Get good and play rated matches. Not to sound harsh but casual play should not get rewarded any more.

twitch.tv/inflambio

mostly ele but also multiclass, EU

Berserk longbow ranger and berserk staff elementalists fulfill to a certain degree the same role: dealing damage from range. They are very strong if you let them do their job but not if you go after them. Longbow rangers and staff eles are very squishy and can be taken out easily by a brawler or a roamer. It’s your fault for letting the ranger do as he pleases.

you dont even need reflect. just killed 3 of them on my ele. protection or simple dodges against the burst. chill against mobility. that’s it.

rapid fire is not only way faster now but can also be dodged better. 1 dodge, 80% of the skill misses.