I’ve been asking this since the day we realized coverage and population wins over anything.
But there still the ability to out play bigger groups you cant out play free points after the fact. That is what keeps GW2 different then the WoW gear power creep games.
No, you didn’t catch what I meant. The server with most population/coverage will always win the scoreboard. Then why does the points matter if simply having more people is enough to win? Sure, it’s nice having a goal to work toward (like try to win the match) but in the end, it all falls to whoever has more people that will be awake when you are asleep. I decided to not bother much with it long ago.
It was just a minor derail I decided to post because of that quoted part. Nothing really to worry about.
Honestly, they just “betrayed” people who stress over being ranked in a ranked system that is clearly flawed… As long I can log in and get reasonable fights (not loopsided ones or mindless blobfests) I don’t care which tier I am.
Ok, so we should just go back to Anet not paying attention to WvW. And it taking months for anything to happen. Anet shouldn’t do anything quickly because that leads people to think that there wasn’t “much analysis” done. That is what I hear you all saying. Well guess what? That is what people have been complaining about Anet for years. That it takes them forever to do anything. And here they actually do something and you all are saying they need to slow down. Good grief!
No, that’s not what we mean. Remember when someone made a thread saying that Arena Net claiming objectives was showing favoritism to that specific server? That show just how thin is the glass floor Arena Net is stepping on when dealing with WvW. That’s why we say that they shouldn’t just go around manually intervening in things that don’t really need intervention. And like it was pointed out, this one wasn’t a case like the CD+ and the T8 fiascos. Now that this one happened, people will likely use this one as their argument when they ask: “why server X isn’t moved to tier Y”.
As long the matchmaking system isn’t fixed to quickly adjust to the population shifts that happen we will be seeing a lot of this same scenario happen. I can already start one by saying “NSP don’t belong to T4. They are performing even better than FA, a T2 server, is doing on T3. They clearly don’t belong to this tier. Why they aren’t moved to T3?”
A year ago Anet wasn’t paying attention to WvW. I’m glad they’ve changed and started paying attention. It was a problem a year ago, it was a problem 3 years ago. Its about time they start to do something about it.
Weak argument for why they adjusted YB’s glicko rating upwards in a rather nonchalant way. They adjusted rating manually three years ago for T8 because of a glicko hell situation (no different from what happened to CD and T4) and they approached it with a lot of consideration. What’s being said here, and what Cerby tried to emphasize, is that there wasn’t much consideration given this time. There was no glicko hell situation here. YB would have rolled T2 without a change being needed.
This is a can of worms because anyone who is now unhappy can come to this forum and ask for X server’s rating to be adjusted and point to this precedent. That’s why I earlier illustrated the concept in a sarcastic manner: everyone knows DB is dropping like a rock because they had an exodus of guilds so might as well get them adjusted downward.
While I’m not against the change that was made, Chaba here is right: It wasn’t entirely needed like it was on both past scenarios. Not only YB already had a slim chance of rolling T2, but they also were still able to gain rating from the T3 servers as they weren’t that much lower than theirs, increasing their odds with each passing week. Would it suck for T3? Of course it would. Nobody likes to be in a loopsided match that would keep going for weeks. But drastic measures must be left for drastic situations and this wasn’t one.
The fact that Arena Net acted faster this time is what intrigue me. On both past scenarios the situation was worse, and it took much more time to them take their move (CD fiasco took 5 weeks. T8 fiasco took SEVERAL MONTHS) and that’s problably why she is saying Arena Net problably didn’t took much consideration in this one.
This mean they increased YB rating by 150… Nothing more.
It didn’t gave YB FA’s place. YB rating was increased to 1848 while FA had 1854.
It didn’t gave YB a 100% chance of being in T2. To give YB 100% chance of being in T2 it would need to be at least 300 rating above the last server of T2, which means they would have needed to increase YB rating by 457 for that.
It didn’t even mean FA was the only one that could be on T3. The RNG rolls for matchmaking happened. But they had to reroll because the skirmishes didn’t reset. In the first RNG roll YB had rolled T1 as BG/Mag/YB and FA had rolled T2 as TC/DB/FA, while JQ was the one pushed to T3. If they simply wanted to replace FA with YB why FA rolled T2 in the first roll?
I keep telling you these things and presenting evidence of it, but you refuse to accept it. You just keep linking that quote as if it actually was written “YB is now in FA place at T2” which clearly isn’t. How hard it is for you to understand that?
They did increased YB rating? Yes, they did, just like they posted. But YB could have rolled T3? Yes, it could. Hell, it could even rolled T1 (as it happened pre bug reset).
FA was chosen to be in T3? No it wasn’t, JQ rolled T3 in the pre bug reset while FA was on T2. FA was just unlucky to have T3 roll after the bug reset (where YB rolled T2 instead of T1).
One person here is refusing to accept all evidences being presented, and I’m kitten sure it’s not me.
Then why would they bother in even giving a number? They could have simply said “Hey guys we moved YB to T2 and FA to T3” instead.
The fact is: the first roll for YB was BG/Mag/YB (a T1 matchup) while FA rolled TC/FA/DB (a T2 matchup) before they rerolled to reset the skirmishes point bug. It’s clear that they just added the rating and let the RNG roll.
It’s not to me you need to ask these questions Chaba… If it depended on me I would have reset glicko entirely every re-link since the ratings would no longer represent the population of the team after the servers changed.
We made many suggestions, but it ultimately falls to Arena Net to come up with a solution so they don’t have to tweak everytime their system break.
Do you even know how the matchmaking system work? Adding 150 rating to a server that is 156 rating behind don’t guarantee a 100% roll when there is RNG involved. But I supose you are too blind to see that.
YB had 2% of rolling a T2 matchup in FA place already… What would you have said if you had rolled T3 without the dev intervention? Because I don’t think the +150 rating is permanent, just like CD one wasn’t, which means FA still can roll back up unless they cannot roflstomp T3, which at this point would mean they are weaker than YB.
You realty do not understand what is going on do you. What happen is a dev gave YB +150 just for them to move to t2 there was no % on a roll it was effectively set to 100% by the dev. What this means is a world who was T1 a week before (all be it a low % roll) is now been pushed into T3 due to the bug / dev giving +150 points to yb. What is going to happen because of all of this is if FA dose not comply blow out this week (most likely not going to happen because FA is just not that type of world) they are going to lose points even more due to the bug and the other worlds are going to get a lot more points. If any thing FA may roll back into T2 but YB going to roll back into T3 because the other worlds are getting more points from FA.
Over all defeating all of this and only causing more pain for every one at all levels. All because a dev seems to want to play “god” after years of match ups and work means nothing.
Did you actually read my post? I KNOW the Devs gave 150 rating to make it easier to YB roll up. However, it was not a 100% chance since YB rating was 1798 (making it 1848) while FA rating was 1854. It greatly increased the chance RNG would roll YB up? Sure it did. But my point is that this matchup already had the chance of happening (even if just as much as your T1 matchup) and I’m asking what would be the excuse if it had happened normally? I bet my left arm there would be people crying over saying Arena Net manipulated the roll.
If i was on FA i would riot hard over this, all the time invested on your server affected with a thing like this… shame ANET you are a shame probably you killed FA server community over a stupid injustice like this, i would quit the game because of this… i hope you stay strong…
If a community die just because they dropped a tier it’s a pretty bad community imo.
But honestly, you’re the only one who seen upset here.
I don’t know what server this Kefro is on, but he’s not representative of what actual guild leaders on FA have said about rolling T3 so I hope readers here aren’t getting baited into this.
At first it sounded he was just a angry FA player. But it seens it’s just someone with issues from whatever random server.
There no way this t3 match up is going to be a blow out because they killed the will of a lot of commanders in FA to the point where they are simply not showing up.
If they really care about being in T2 they SHOULD show be showing up… If FA break that easily, they should join up with Darkhaven which also have their will broken that quick. Except that Dh actually had a real reason to do so.
FA didn’t drop to T3, they rng rolled a T3 match just like YB rng rolled a T2 match (after the adjustment) sort of like CD week 5…
Far too early in the week to know which server is #6 at the end of the week. Most likely, both FA/YB are tier 2 in a week or two..
What these last 2 re-links has shown is that some sort of glick reset is needed when new links are made….
Not at all if yb rolled t2 then they would of not needed to add +150 points out of no where to move them out of t3. Because YB moved up FA had to move down. There is NOTHING random about it there is no roll it was all done by a dev on a whim. He may of effectually killed FA as a T2 world now.
YB had 2% of rolling a T2 matchup in FA place already… What would you have said if you had rolled T3 without the dev intervention? Because I don’t think the +150 rating is permanent, just like CD one wasn’t, which means FA still can roll back up unless they cannot roflstomp T3, which at this point would mean they are weaker than YB.
Ran out of arguments and decided to attack me instead of discussing the current event? Seriously buddy, go take a chill pill. You are stressing yourself over somenthing meaningless… Rank, tier? Why does it matter if you can log and have fun? Honestly, I would take the current FA matchup over the one YB is atm… JQ/DB are SEA heavy with little NA and that’s boring to fight against.
DB has started it’s free fall and they are the ones who may end up in t3, they’ve lost a good amount of NA guilds. Given some time FA could have sucked glicko ratings from DB, but hey guess who’s doing that now.
FA has fought for it’s t2 standings for years now, they’ve made visits to t3, but it’s not fair to that server to get chucked to t3 because some ppt idiots couldn’t deal with YB for another week. If they get a bad roll and head down to t3, fine they’ll suck it up, they have in the past, but because someone decided to push another server ahead of them from t3? That’s very unfair to FA.
They pushed glicko ratings on the previous monster of t4 and in fact all 3 servers there got a boost, fine go ahead, that mess was create by anet in the first place by creating four t3 servers, they needed to clean it up and get them rotated after a month of sitting and destroying t4.
This was not going to be the case now, YB could have gained enough and DB could have lost enough to switch eventually.
If you are going to manually move servers with glicko boost then you kitten well should start fixing glicko, instead of taking personal request from players to move servers. Now the devs are fixing the teams and matches.
Hey can we setup a plan ahead for next week, switch FA with DB, thanks guys you da best! xoxoxoxoxoxox
Yes, I agree that DB problably would be much fitting to be in T3 than FA, but they still have too much glicko to lose and might take some time. Also, YB already had around 2% chance of rolling this matchup (just like FA rolled T1 last week). If you put aside the fact that Arena Net admited manual intervention, what would you say if FA had rolled T3? “kitten you Arena Net for putting us on T3” is the first thing that comes to my mind. Oh wait, it’s already what this dude is doing…
I’m mad because this random stuff now can happen to any server
No, you are mad because it happened to FA. When the same think happened to SBI and YB last pairing (when CD glicko was inflated) I didn’t see you posting here on the forums complaining that “it could happen to any server”.
Who did lose and Anet gave them victory? Are you crazy? The people that asked for this intervention (SBI/SoS) were losing and they are still losing (SoS isn’t on T3 but is losing T4 atm). Are you so mad that FA is on T3 that you can’t even read?
what does FA have to do with this? Anet need to fix this and fire that person who did it
FA was the lowest T2 server, so they were the most likely to be moved… If FA was in a better position, it would be other server that would be moved. but when a server don’t win a matchup in months and is placed last in most of them, they are likely to move down sooner or later… FA lasted longer than expected considering their recent performances in T2.
The most stacked condition doesn’t necessarily is the most damaging one though… Poison and Bleed for exemple can stack high and still tick lower than a few stacks of Burning or Confusion (the exemple I gave on the other post cover this). Also, there are some conditions I rather clear right away such as Immobilize because it will be worse to stay a sitting duck.
Honestly, I’m impressed they decided to do that change. But tell me: Is that a “invisible rating” change like it was done on the CD fiasco? Because if it is, FA may get locked in T3 because YB will leech off a lot of rating merely from being in the T2 matchup and FA is likely to lose a lot of rating for having CD on their matchup.
Honestly, I would prefer seeing the core specs being buffed instead of the Elite ones being nerfed.
buffing core specs buffs elite specs. Every Elite build includes two core traitlines.
The reason elites are always taken isn’t even because of the traitline either, elites are always taken for the new class mechanic (continuum split, reaper shroud, celestial avatar, berserk mode, etc) The elite traitlines themselves are honestly underwhelming for a lot of classes.
After all what is better, Mesmer with 4 shatters, or Mesmer with 4 shatters and continuum split?
But if all core trait were actually good, you problably wouldn’t need the elite one… Warrior is a good exemple. I don’t need to have Berserker to roll over people. Strenght/Defense/Discipline is just as solid as it’s counterpart that use Berserker instead of Strenght. And that’s because Strenght have good traits that make it par with the elite traitline. Now on mesmer it’s just inviable to play without Chrono. Chronophantasma and Illusionary Reversion are far too powerful compared to any trait in any line.
My fear is that if Arena Net is to nerf the elite specs that they render it useless (like it happen everytime they nerf somenthing). We don’t need more useless traits/skills (we have plenty). We need the useless to be turned in somenthing useful.
Is that the case with Yaks, or are they just dominating? If the latter and Yaks isn’t in a glicko trap, then it should be left alone.
They are just dominating the match and that’s only the second week. YB already have a slim chance of rolling T2 (somenthing around 2%), which means it’s not impossible like it was for CD. Honestly, I’m all for moving YB up, they shouldn’t be in a tier they don’t belong. But all these T3 people didn’t gave a kitten when T4 had a far worse situation (since there was no way CD would leave without intervention), so they won’t get any sympathy from me.
Last linking CD was adjusted 200-300 points to escape the same types of blowouts in T4, please adjust YB so they can properly be in T2 where they belong.
You just forgot to mention it was done after CD spent 5 WEEKS locked on T4.
When it was T4 locked with a bad matchup, all T3 people were like “no, CD shouldn’t come up, they don’t belong to T3 and blahblahblah.” Now suck it up and have YB for several weeks, like us on T4 had CD before.
I believe that line of thought was in regards to gear, players could leave and come back in a year and not worry about having to catch up, the free to play model makes this happen also. But it’s something they kinda lied about when they brought in ascended afterwards, especially now with raids and players feel they need to equip ascended to get in, which has shot it’s mats threw the roof.
You can do raids without ascended equipment. It’s only high level fractals that require you to have several ascended equips in order to have slots for agony resist (unless you’re rich and can slot infusions of +20 or more in your accessories).
Honestly, the only thing you need to know is how to keep pugs entertained. As long you’re not leading them to their certain deaths and is actually making some progress (be through fights or ppt) you are likely to keep a healthy pug zerg.
The rest is all about the use of game mechanics and field experience… These are learned by playing, not by reading.
The “What-if” I want is a week where each character has only one life in WvW. Once that character dies they are locked out of WvW for the remainder of the week.
It would promote some toxic behavior for sure. But it make fights realllllllllyyyyyyy matter.
Everyone would just avoid fights they could possibly lose at all costs.
For starters I dont think the spec performs anywhere near as well as the needs a serious nerfing lotus blossom perma dodge spam spec. And yes, most experienced players know whats happening and how to avoid it. You could just run a perma resistance condi Malyx rev and ignore the ghost thief entirely.
Why is that boonshare mesmer build on the permalink? And why Chaotic Interuption and not Bountiful Disillusionment? Wtf is this?
As long as they’re “Equalized” I’m happy, either direction
I don’t really trust in equalizing by nerfing what is good instead of buffing what is bad. That’s Blizzard way of doing things and it does not work at all.
I think he’s asking for itens with these stats combinations which are only avaible in the spvp amulets and not for the amulet system itself. I would like to see some of these stats combination added to the current stats in the game. I surely would play a lot around Destroyer, Diviner and Seeker builds.
They should always allow you to build siege in spawn points in EB. That way you can “try” to take your fully sieged keep back, and do away with spawn campers. There could be rules on the siege in the spawn points, but allow them to be built and used.
Hmm…
If ANet does this…I’d advise:
ANet should paint on the ground Exactly Where, How many, and What type of Siege can be setup in the Invulnerable area of the Spawn point.
That way we don’t end up with Siege Trolls having a field day in the spawn point in addition to the normal stuff they already do.
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Or they can just make the siege spawn in there and despawn when you no longer need it, like siegerazer.
The enemy need to be tagged first tho. If someone randomly dies at Desert Borderland cliffs, it does not award points. If you die to guards however, it do.
People crying because of a few weeks of bad matchups… Please… Darkhaven had 4 months of bad matchups straight when the links started. There were also servers like Eredon Terrace who had 1 year of bad matchups in past. Man up and stop crying. It’s too early for that.
Removal of Runes of the trapper is ridiculous..It would be a complete waste of time using them primarily for the stealth because your revealed upon trigger.
You don’t get revealed on thief traps because they don’t have direct damage, and only direct damage reveals you from stealth.
However, as pointed out multiple times in this thread, ghost thief don’t need runes of the trapper to remain permanently invisible, making it even more dangerous because they have access to other runes like Perplexity/Tormenting/Krait/Balthazar which increase their condition kit.
Of course… You’ll only die to a ghost thief if: you are not running condi removal; you are trying to fight it; there are multiple of them against you alone. The best way to deal with ghost thief is to not deal with them at all. “Don’t feed the troll” and walk away…
Do people actually care about the buffs effect/level of effect even? Yay more magic find?
The only people that care about that are the ones that will leave wvw if there’s no commander on the map.
What they should do is make outnumbered provide useful buffs to solo players and small groups. Things like…
*siege costs less supply
*sentries/towers no longer mark your location on the map
*white swords take twice as long to trigger
The problem is: if they give an actual useful buff to outnumbered, there will be people like “Gtfo of my map, I want my outnumbered buff back”. Also I wouldn’t mind some extra MF. The last time I dropped a precursor was 3 years ago.
People. Skirmishes weren’t meant to correct population imbalances… If your server don’t have the people, you’ll lose regardless of which scoring system is used.
I think the idea of skirmishes was more to halt servers that relied purely on ticking 600+ a few hours during the “night” to push up in points while not being able to compete in the other timezones.
