Guild Wars 2

I like the idea of stacks to show by how much you are actually outnumbered. I think it’s better than be in the blind while you are outnumbered by 3.9:1 because the current buff only come out at 4 (hypotetically).

elkirin.8534:

Step three;

Adapt.

good luck

2hard4the average player…

WvW is rarely mentioned. Anyone who been here for 4 years know that.

dzeRnumbrd.6129:

Jeknar.6184:

If DBL actually hurt the red server as all you DBL haters claim, all red servers would be losing bad (except maybe for FSP) and unable to even keep up with the other two servers that have alpine. That’s not the case here.

I think most DBL haters are claiming the opposite. It helps the red server. As evidenced by the NA matchups where T1, 2 and 3 are being won by the red server.

The deserted borderland offers a huge PPT advantage to any server that has it because no one wants to play on it – so their entire borderland ticks with nearly full PPT in their favour.

Re-read the OP and you’ll see that’s not the case here. In fact most of the time people say “DBL is bad because nobody gonna bother in defending it”, which implies the red team won’t play it even if it’s their own map, which isn’t the case as we can see the red servers are indeed winning. And honestly, it isn’t because people aren’t attacking because K-trainers will always look for an empty map and DBL would be their first target if it was empty as everyone claims.

Roxanne.6140:

It got 75pct because there was never the option to not have dbl. So everybody voted for the lesser evil so we can have 2 ABL to play on.

You were saying…?

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

The poll has ended! After removing all votes for “Don’t Count My Vote” the final results are:

65.5% No: The Desert Borderland map should continue to be supported.
34.5% Yes: The Desert Borderland map should be permanently disabled.

This means that the Desert Borderlands map will continue to be supported. Next, the Mixed Borderlands poll will be re-run to determine how the Desert Borderlands map will re-enter play. Thank you to everyone who voted!

RyuDragnier.9476:

Straegen.2938:

Condi is a non-issue in large scale.

Fight Mag and then tell us that. If you don’t have resistance, you are going to die, period.

That’s why zergs have revs spamming resistance. Unless you talking about unorganized pug mobs… But then again, guild groups were always able to kill pug mobs.

DeceiverX.8361:

They left.

I don’t know of a single player who was around in 2012/2013 who still plays WvW.

Hi, I just received my 4th aniversary packages a few day ago. Nice to meet you.

In NA 3/4 red servers are leading their matchups. In the only matchup where red is losing (T4) it’s somewhat par with 2nd place.

In EU 1/5 red server is leading (Argueable the fattest server in the EU pairing currently tho). 2/5 are second however pretty close to the leading team and 2/5 are losing, however pretty close to the team in 2nd.

If DBL actually hurt the red server as all you DBL haters claim, all red servers would be losing bad (except maybe for FSP) and unable to even keep up with the other two servers that have alpine. That’s not the case here.

/thread

“oh my T1 server is dead because it can’t win a matchup”

Pu-lease…

Jana.6831:

although it’s pretty hard to tell what anybody does in a zerg

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Aeolus.3615:

The ideal would be 3 diferent BL’s….

Preferable while scrapping the “Home BL” style. Maps of a single color are boring because it mean there is no action going on. Maps that are played in thirds, like EBG, are much more likely to attract people than the boring Borderland playstyle.

Xillllix.3485:

People think that it would make it easier to karma train but I think that’s wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing once you have 3 servers karma training in circles. They are gonna collide at some point

What if the 3 trains run in the same direction? They will never collide. EotM was like at some point.

The middle area need a meaningful unique objective (not bloodlust bullcrap) so people will go there fight over it, just like people fight over SMC in EBG.

Aeolus.3615:

Actually warrior is the strongest class overall (and it is the only true heavy class).

Warrior have a nice sustain and good damage output, but old zerg warrior builds are now subpar with the adition of revenant.

Also, why warrior is the only true heavy? Guardians are much more closer to a real heavy fighter than warrior. They have little mobility and can take a lot of punishment. Warrior in the other hand can run like if they were Usain Bolt while wielding a greatsword.

Cerby.1069:

Anyone gonna respond to the actual OP? rofl…..

Nah… No point beating that dead horse. DH died and nothing Arena Net do at this point will bring it back to life.

Someone suggested that they pool the national servers about if they would like to be turned unto international servers or not. Maybe Arena Net should ask them instead of keeping the language barrier and it would remove one of the issues with EU pairings.

Taco Del Mar.4582:

…I think having one desert BL is the perfect amount. You can play it if you like. I’m sure some people will get annoyed when it’s their turn to have it as their home BL, but they can stick to the other maps for those matches…

I wish all DBL haters were that perceptive…

Accessories were always that price. Only Amulets and Rings were sold for BoH + Laurels.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Nuzt.7894:

Knob.6835:

My whole guild of 80 actives voted for it and we like that you don’t like it. Keep the zergs out. The small scale fights are incredible.

Irony folks, get it while it’s hot!

I’d laugh if it wasn’t hurting so much…

Must be T1 roamers.

Infusion.7149:

Scrapper (because rifle and pistol are meh), herald (the trait line for boon duration and might spam), reaper (use a staff and see the difference), daredevil (UC / Bound , Driven fortitude) are all powercreeped.

Condi Engineers still viable with only Core Traits… You won’t take hammer for a condi build anyway. So you would be only taking scrapper if you want to pretend to be a thief and hide under stealth gyro. For power builds it’s a huge gain tho.

And Revenant require HoT anyway so you’ll hardly see a non Herald one.

I’m pretty sure they already saw and aren’t concerned about it.

Ok, maybe one change they could do for DBL is to allow us to go down to North Camp straight from spawn like it is on ABL. The Lab is right on top of the camp anyway, we could have a teleporter to go down. Other than that, the run distance to the towers are about the same (DBL towers have back entrances) and running from spawn to a side keep takes long even on ABL.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

What do you mean “while I was on NSP+DH+DR”? Don’t tell me you moved to the blobosaurus rex of “I will use 15 sup treb from 10k distance along a map queue on a paper tower YB”!

:(

I went to FC to reunite with my friends in SNKY. While I still don’t like the idea of having Yak’s Bend stamped on top of my head, I would just have quit the game if I remained on Dh much longer with most of my guild gone for sure (we only need to wait CD to drop to make it crystal clear that it will be another 2 months of roflstomping). Most people I know (principally on the can… errrm… Matchup forums) are surprised I endured that long tbh…

Thorfinnr Sleggja.1209:

misterman.1530:

Wow. Take a look at the bottom tier of NA. That’s some awesome pairing there. Jesus wept.

Well, have time for Fallout 4 now. Thanks Anet.

Full disclosure…I’m on HoD…fights are good.

But this is nuts. I have seen groups at the 25+ size. Smallest I fought against just last night in the HoD BL was a YB group of 15. and I think there were 5-7 of us trying to save a camp.

I have yet to see a group with members with an FC description…everything I saw…and there may have been some FC in these big groups that I missed…looked to be YB.

This is not balanced. Its way off. Even with our 3 server pairing…its way off. I have to say to ANET…this isn’t working. if something like this can come out of the matchups, the system, even if it is a new matchup and “Glicko” needs time to balance it, is broken…and by the time it evens out, it will be time to re-pair the servers and start all over again.

I guess its time to go focus on knocking out those PvE achievements. This stops being fun when it gets to this point.

FC, and all other guests in the current T4 match, are too small to be noticeable if you ask me.

While I still was on NSP+DH+DR pairing, I would only see NSP guild groups and the ocasional Dh PvX tag aside from my own guild. I’ve seen ONE person from a DR guild (GIT) and that’s it.

While the same can be said about the HoD pairings (The majority of the guild tags I see are HoD) I still see some EBAY diehards (along with my ICEE friends) and the ocasional FoC tag from ET.

Most FC people that are left seen to be the roamers. So you’ll hardly see a large group composed mostly of FC. Maki and HipT seen to stick on DBL while Main and SNKY seen to avoid it.

So yes, YB is stomping this tier by themselves. It’s nothing new tho… YB is Very High while all other server and their guests are Medium. It is obvious that there is a population disparity. But I belive CD+, who also is composed of Medium servers except for CD itself, can make this match a bit more balanced. Problem is: CD is fairing well in T3. So you better hope that T3 population isn’t much higher than T4 or it will repeat the last link fiasco all over again.

Offair.2563:

Reading a post from a tier1 player saying outnumbered is like an insult to me.

Ikr? Thee people don’t know what is to be in the bottom of the barrel for months, maybe years. So they cry outloud when they have 1 week of outnumbered buff for a few hours.

Pu-lease…

Core warrior (Str/Dis/Def) still pretty strong since the major warrior buff lie on the Defense trait line and not on Berserker itself. Sure, you won’t have the Headbutt “I-Win-Button”, but it still have all the defensive capabilities of Berserker while allowing you to have a similary strong buffs.

No.
/15 charrs dancing

CD had 3 other servers linked to them when they were called too strong and they barely could compete with SBI+HoD and SoS+NSP links depite having 4 servers.

CD of this link isn’t the same CD as the last link.

Choppy.4183:

Honestly, with the amount people whine about wvw I’m surprised Anet hasn’t told us all to go kitten ourselves by now.

What you think their silence means? hint hint

SkyShroud.2865:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Hello everyone,

I know a lot of EU players are asking why Far Shiverpeaks is linked with Whiteside Ridge and Fissure of Woe so I figured I would clear up why this link was made.

Our goal with World Linking is good matches. This doesn’t necessarily mean that worlds in tier 4 are intended to be competitive with worlds in tier 1, but ideally every world in tier 4 should be competitive with the other worlds in tier 4 and likewise every world in tier 1 should be competitive with the other worlds in tier 1. It would be nice if worlds in tier 4 were competitive with tier 1, but it’s not realistic since the distribution of players across worlds is not consistent. The issue is compounded in EU, due to the fact that we are avoiding linking worlds with different languages. For example, there is only one Spanish world, so they’ll never be linked and thus might never be competitive in tier 1 worlds. Similarly making each set of German worlds have equivalent populations has proved equally impossible because if we were to link them they would have a much higher population than other worlds, making match-ups against them not competitive.

Far Shiverpeaks was linked with two worlds because we needed a third world that would have similar population to the French worlds, specifically Jade Sea and Vizunah Square so that the matchup could be competitive. Far Shiverpeaks, Whiteside, Ridge, and Fissure of Woe linked together gave us the best population to create competitive match-ups for that tier.

It is also important to keep in mind that this is the very first week of match-ups and it will take time before glicko adjusts worlds into their correct tiers.

Why don’t you step back abit and consider excluding T1 out from the equation. You can make T4 competitive with T2 (or least T3) while simply ignoring T1 (and T2) and leave them to their own device.

EU worlds don’t have severe glicko locks like NA tho… Just look at their current matchups. They have a T4 server (Vizunah & Friends) competing in T2 against a T1 server (Jade Sea + Arborstone). It’s like if Crystal Desert had rolled T2 and was fighting Jade Quarry.

Also as stated, EU world have the national servers, who only will get linked with national servers. So they need to make sure every national server have somewhat fair matches (principally for Baruch Bay who will never be linked to anyone).

Trying to balance EU world is much more of a mess than the NA world imo… NA just need a glicko reset and let the worlds flow.

Buy Some Apples.6390:

most players know some players like the DBL

I’m inclined to disagree with the ammount of posts these people make about how DBL should burn in hell with all the people who voted on it. People just refuse to accept DBL as part of WvW and think EVERYONE hates it.

morrolan.9608:

I don’t know much about the EU servers but this link actually looks worse than the 4 linked US server. How the hell do they make these decisions? Again I say the lack of transparency really hurts them.

They linked 2 servers to the server that was at 2nd place… Think as it they giving DB 2 links, and one to JQ while BG gets none.

The middle had skysplitter, that would shoot at all enemy structures for the team that conquered it. But it was a lag factory worse than a 3-way SMC fight in T1, so it was disabled. Somenthing need to replace it, if we’re ever to get the thirds mentality going on DBL.

I belive DBL was meant to be played in thirds, but peeople still have the home map mentality that a single server need to hold everything and that’s why no one got adapted to it. I really hope they remove the two remaining ABL’s for maps that favor playing in thirds aswell.

People, please understand: Maps of a single color means a map without activity, that’s why EBG is the most popular map

misterman.1530:

As smart people mentioned before, if you do not have the numbers, there’s no way you can successfully defend/take the DBL. My server has it this week. We aren’t doing well. We can’t. We are habitually outnumbered on any BL we enter. It’s doubly bad on the DBL.

If you don’t have the numbers you’re not going to defend anything anyway. This isn’t a map problem.

Nightcore.7839:

People seem to have forgotten that removing DBL was never an option.

You were saying…?

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

The poll has ended! After removing all votes for “Don’t Count My Vote” the final results are:

65.5% No: The Desert Borderland map should continue to be supported.
34.5% Yes: The Desert Borderland map should be permanently disabled.

This means that the Desert Borderlands map will continue to be supported. Next, the Mixed Borderlands poll will be re-run to determine how the Desert Borderlands map will re-enter play. Thank you to everyone who voted!

zinkz.7045:

Not really, the vote was open to everyone whether they play WvW or not, whether they play WvW 2 hours a week or 40 hours, and really by the time we had the votes it was something of a self selecting sample, a lot of players that disliked the DBL stopped playing back when they were stuck with DBL, so a lot of the players who kicked up a fuss about it 10 months ago didn’t vote because they stopped playing or barely play, hence a self selecting sample.

If they stopped playing they have no say in how the game should go on.

Straegen.2938:

These build variants aren’t particularly effective in zergs but in small scale the Bunker variety is indeed as stronger than the D/D eles of old and the hybrid versions are nearly as tanky but far more dangerous.

Everything is better than the builds of old simply because HoT allows you to build tanky while being more effective.

Straegen.2938:

I believe many voters thought the maps would be rotated in and out. Alpine is a superior map but it does get old after years. This partial map decision seems a bit odd.

The partial map decision was to allow everyone to play in the map they want. If they want ABL, they have 2. If they want DBL, they have 1. But DBL haters refuse to accept that DBL will be part of the game and keep crying out loud for it’s existance.

And why would they? So you people just tell them to dump their work like you want them to do with DBL?

MidoriMarch.8067:

but it would’ve been different story if it was a poll about remove alpine vs remove dbl.

You were saying…?

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

The poll has ended! After removing all votes for “Don’t Count My Vote” the final results are:

65.5% No: The Desert Borderland map should continue to be supported.
34.5% Yes: The Desert Borderland map should be permanently disabled.

This means that the Desert Borderlands map will continue to be supported. Next, the Mixed Borderlands poll will be re-run to determine how the Desert Borderlands map will re-enter play. Thank you to everyone who voted!

misterman.1530:

Wow. Take a look at the bottom tier of NA. That’s some awesome pairing there. Jesus wept.

Well, have time for Fallout 4 now. Thanks Anet.

Much better than Dh+EBay/SF+FC+GoM/CD+Kain+ET+BP.

Jana.6831:

LetoII.3782:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Not every idea needs to be tried. Breaking the game mode for the sake of change isn’t going to help.

REMEMBER GOLEM WEEK

We should actually repeat that as only during that week people learned how powerful cannons are against golems – it’s constant struggle to get them onto the cannons.

How about when we get deployable cannons? We can even call it Cannons Versus Golems week.

Choppy.4183:

Oh man, let it go. There was a vote, people went for both maps (probably in recognition that it gave everybody the opportunity to play the maps they like).

If nothing else, at least Anet can collect data on map popularity to compare with how people voted. Think of it like an old school taste test for wvw.

Yeah, we have 2 maps… I don’t know why people keep bickering about DBL… “But muh home BL”. Oh go take your enemies one in ABL if you don’t like DBL. Camps/Towers/Keeps worth the same in any map.

My server have DBL as our home BL and we still get queued while we have no one on alpine.

Carry on…

There is already a WvW Reward track potion on Tavern. You need to buy the upgrade on the War Room tho.

Timelord.8190:

Yes! I’m loving this. This is what happens when Anet decides to let everyone vote for the options to keep DBL or not. I’ll bet alot of PvE’ers voted to keep DBL without spending alot of time in WvW.

Maybe time to realise that there should be a minumum WvW rank requeried before one can vote? Let’s say 2k.

You know what is funny? I’m almost sure that PvE players voted against it simply because they don’t care about WvW and they don’t want Arena Net to “waste time” with it (like one dude posted in this forum). Maybe the people that voted aren’t harcore WvW’ers, but honestly, trying to attend to a small portion of hardcore players over their casual majority would be a shot on their foot.

Diku.2546:

For Player Driven Match-Ups…wouldn’t it be better to allow players to pick who they want to fight using your Guesting Mechanic?

No… Remember when transfers were free? That was a time when players could choose who they would fight and they decided to just stack servers for easy wins.

No, it think what he actually meant is that signet d/d is a one trick pony and that you were unfortunate and fell to it’s single trick.

DeceiverX.8361:

Fractals are easy and raids are boring and don’t appeal to me (and PvE in this game as a whole doesn’t, either). Learn the monster mechanics and it’s all just repetition.

Isn’t that how PvE work in ANY game?

Timelord.8190:

You’re one of these plyers who can’t stand to play on even grounds. Arent you? You want to keep the PvE privileges for yourself. Funny to see how many of you are fighting me on this. Saying it doesen’t matter, still they buy them.

Hypocrites!

I play on my alt with full exotics and non infused rings and amulet (exotic back and accessories) and I only feel uneven when fighting Elite specs. And even then I still smash a lot people unto the ground…

Honestly, the skill cap in this game is so low that 25 extra stats aren’t going to change the outcome of a fight.

morrolan.9608:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Here are the worlds for NA:

• Dragonbrand
• Blackgate
• Jade Quarry

Jade Quarry doesn’t have near the population of DB or BG how the hell do you expect us to be able to compete?

More decisions which just turn players off the game mode. You need to be more transparent with players about how you made these decisions.

Jade Quarry is full tho, and when it is SEA prime, the whole map turn JQ favor… Maybe if JQ had more NA and less asians, it would have a better time in T1.

joneirikb.7506:

Oh kitten, we’re back in T1 again ? ugh, pve for me for 2 months then.

Transfering out of T1 is 500gems and you have several choices. Besides, to go back to your own server is 500gems, which you can easily gather in 2 months.