Guild Wars 2

Morten.5387:

Jemmi.6058:

Obviously neither of us have the supporting data, but I would bet that the total money received would be greater if they gave a definite skin at a low price. My guesses would be something more along the lines of for every 1 person spending $100 now you would have 100 spending $5 on a $5 skin that is guaranteed.

That might be possible, yes. But again, would you be surprised if I told you that some people will dare go to the thousands of dollars for it? Not the same, is it? In any case, this is just what I think is the most likely reason for them to stick with their current approach.

Wow, yes that is very surprising!! I imagine that number is pretty small though? Guess we’ll never know.

All I know for certain is that I have never been interested in purchasing chests for a rare chance at something. On the other hand, I’d throw down $5 in a heartbeat for the swimsuit skins! (I know this is in related to the weapon skins, but I am not all too interested in them).

Morten.5387:

Jemmi.6058:

I agree with you, but I feel no sympathy for your story. ANet clearly stated that the items were a rare chance. Previous content definitely suggested that spending a lot of money != getting what you want. Finally there were PSA about not doing this very thing.

However, I agree that these skins should be directly purchasable, and not in chests. Spend a few dollars and get the skin you want. If it worked like that, waaaay more people would do it. It’d be happier for players and increased revenue for ANet. This system hurts both, and I am unsure why they continue to use it.

They continue to use it because as it is, 1 person will spend 100$ gambling to MAYBE get a skin, as opposed to say 5 people paying 10$ to get it for sure. As a conservative example, of course.

Obviously neither of us have the supporting data, but I would bet that the total money received would be greater if they gave a definite skin at a low price. My guesses would be something more along the lines of for every 1 person spending $100 now you would have 100 spending $5 on a $5 skin that is guaranteed.

I agree with you, but I feel no sympathy for your story. ANet clearly stated that the items were a rare chance. Previous content definitely suggested that spending a lot of money != getting what you want. Finally there were PSA about not doing this very thing.

However, I agree that these skins should be directly purchasable, and not in chests. Spend a few dollars and get the skin you want. If it worked like that, waaaay more people would do it. It’d be happier for players and increased revenue for ANet. This system hurts both, and I am unsure why they continue to use it.

Disagree with this personally. For me the most important aspect of the game is the story. I also do not find that the skill system is inadequate for my enjoyment (quite the opposite in fact). I only wish they could release living story content faster.

lorazcyk.8927:

I did find it offensive, I said as much. It just wasn’t sexist. He did not talk condescendingly because you were a women, he just talked condescendingly. I disagree with that too, but it wasn’t sexist.

I already explained how it was both offensive and sexist to me. It’s fine if you don’t agree. But to me, it was. To be a “nice girl” I even explained to you why.

I am sorry I got confused with so much text going by. I see your explanation now. I do see where he was saying the thing that could be considered sexist, about disregarding your view point here and going to FB etc. That wasn’t the part you originally quoted though.

That is unless you are talking about men want what men want? I guess that is the part what you bolded, but I really do not see how the could be considered offensive. Women want what women want too. Dogs also want what dogs want and chickens want what chickens want.
Obviously?
So if I said “alright my dear chickens, I love your tasty eggs. But you rock buffington chicken lay the best eggs. I’m going to give you a nice comfy roost since you’re such a good chicken! And you, new hampshire red, your eggs are not so good so you can go sleep in a corner somewhere.” Wouldn’t that be offensive to chickens?

(I LOL, but since you wanted to go that way…)

Or are you saying that men and women are different species like dogs and chickens, and games are only made for one species, because one has paws and one has claws, so they need the game to be different?

In fact all I was saying is that saying x want what x wants is an obvious statement. No where in the men want what men want did they say that someone should go sleep in a corner? You are putting words into peoples mouths based on your own bias.

And why do you say all those things to me, but not to him?

I am not saying anything to him for two simple reasons. 1. If someone posts a flaming post, I usually choose to disregard it. 2. He did not post anything that I wanted to debate about.

I already told you that I see what you mean, and I already told you that I won’t do it and why. And I already did “reply to Raestol’s post nicely instead of snarky” as you asked. What more do you want? Leave me alone already? How about you go harass Raestol now?

I am merely debating with you. I agree with many of your points and respect your opinion. I am sorry that you feel I am harassing you, that wasn’t my intention. My tone may have been a bit off, because I was trying to treat everyone fairly and your first word back at my post was “Wrong!” as if my voice didn’t matter. That set me off on the wrong foot.

Behellagh.1468:

Tance.7931:

Behellagh.1468:

fadeaway.2807:

Charge me monthly, or for expansions, or through the black lion market because the economy sucks.. but not 2 out of the 3.

But didn’t GW1 have expansions and a cash shop?

One expansion. Eye of the North

Factions, Nightfall, Eye of the North or am I counting wrong.

Technically, Eye of the North was the only true expansion. Prophecies, Factions and Night Fall were all campaigns. That said, I consider Factions and Night Fall to be expansions, as they expand on the existing world and framework.

I appreciate your desire to have things fixed before an expansion.

I am most definitely on the other side of the fence on this one. Personally, I run in to bugs very very very rarely. I can remember two bugs that I have run in to since January? That is not to say there are not more bugs out there, but the game can definitely be enjoyed as is. I log in almost daily for several hours and have a lot of fun.

I would love to see new areas open up, new professions, new story! For me the story and areas trump the new profession though, that’d just be a nice little extra. There are so many areas on our map we cannot venture too, and two (at least) entire continents that we do not have access to yet.

If I could pay $50 and have all the bugs removed in the game or pay $100 and have a real expansion? I’d pay the $100 hands down.

lorazcyk.8927:

The quoted story a couple posts above about men being better than women and women being in the kitchen etc is just offensive to men

I wrote that very graphic example for Raestloz and Raestloz only, not all men, so he could see how his words were really sexist, because I don’t think he understands he’s being sexist. He thinks he’s being “reasonable” when he said those things.
So I have to be unreasonable to show him very clearly why what he said is unreasonable (if that makes sense).

I’m glad YOU don’t think his post was offensive, however, that doesn’t change the fact that I found it offensive and degrading.

I did find it offensive, I said as much. It just wasn’t sexist. He did not talk condescendingly because you were a women, he just talked condescendingly. I disagree with that too, but it wasn’t sexist.

That is unless you are talking about men want what men want? I guess that is the part what you bolded, but I really do not see how the could be considered offensive. Women want what women want too. Dogs also want what dogs want and chickens want what chickens want.

I understand that is why you posted what you did, that you were trying to imitate his unreasonable tone. However, my point is that matching unreasonable posts with unreasonable posts is not constructive. It merely makes both parties angry. If you want to get through you have to remain reasonable and constructive so the conversation steers that way.

lorazcyk.8927:

Siiiigh. OK let’s make this thread useless then. I guess there is no point in having Arena Net hear our thoughts.

Hold your horses, I want skimpy armor for male characters (and “beast” characters like charr and asura), and I take no issue with skimpy female armors for those who want them (but still respectful, or as respectful as skimpy male armors are).

Essentially, if you fight as you are, you are only going to alienate males and make them annoyed. The end result will be a further dichotomy between men and women, rather than synergy.

I expect people to be honest and say what they mean, and I do the same. So why do I have to walk on eggshells? Why can men in this thread say what they want, but I have to be all nice and write my posts in a way that make men feel good? I say what I mean and mean what I say. No more, no less. Just as I would expect from any other person.
So I don’t see why I need to walk on eggshells, specially when most men are mostly dismissing or attacking what has been super nice and polite conversation by Mad Queen.

Believe me, in my life, being affected by sexism, I won’t be walking on eggshells. You wouldn’t either if it affected you. Women who walk on eggshells don’t make the world better or make their situation better. That, I can tell you. I was smart enough to stop walking on eggshells when I was really little. (High five, past me!)

And it’s not just because I’m a woman, there are some issues that affect men that I feel just as strongly about and will speak out about it with just as much fervor, even if it’s against women.

EDIT: In reference to post above.. WTH?? Way to take what Raestloz way out of context. This is exactly what I am talking about.

What he said was super sexist. Why do you beat on me but not him? Hmm? But never mind, it doesn’t surprise me, again, a life time of sexist experiences, etc etc.
By being very graphic, I tried to show to him why I really care about this issue, why I won’t leave, and why his comment was sexist. Because words apparently aren’t doing anything, I had to be graphic.

OK cool, we are on the same page. Plus skimpy armors for all!

As for the egg-shells… I do not mean you should walk on egg shells, voice your opinion, but do so in a constructive way. The quoted story a couple posts above about men being better than women and women being in the kitchen etc is just offensive to men, as that is not at all what we are trying to say. It basically makes me feel like you cannot take anything I say seriously. I hope you can empathize with that situation?

I do not think his post was sexist. He stated that men want what men want. That’s true. You can’t really argue with that? The second part is offensive, but he did not say that he was being offensive because you were a women. That said, I disagree with his tactic of being offensive as well.

lorazcyk.8927:

Jemmi.6058:

This argument is going nowhere and is only getting people heated. I do not think anyone is changing anyones mind on what is and isn’t sexist in this market.

At the size of this thread, I doubt ANet will be keeping up with it. Why don’t we all just sign off with a closing statement of what we think in regards to the topic at hand (More Skimpy Armor Please? [Merged]), and leave it at that? 1 post each.

I’ll start:

I would like to have more skimpy armour sets for my characters, but would also like to have a wider variety in armours available for both female and male characters alike.

We all get where you’re coming from, lots of us even agree with you, but there’s nothing ranting on the forums will accomplish.

Wrong.
And please don’t be disrespectful by describing our thoughts as “rambling”. Our posts are valid just like anyone else’s.

By posting here, at the very least we raise awareness to those who might have not realized the issue, and hopefully garner more help in our efforts to make the gaming industry not as degrading to women (such as how one might raise awareness for men being victims of domestic violence too), and by posting here we are reaching out to other women who think the same as us, but always dismissed her feelings as “I’m just stupid, it’s my fault” and tries to bury her feelings… always feeling rage and wanting to change the world, but always cowering in a corner because she’s afraid.
You’d be surprised how many private messages I get saying thank you for posting and speaking about this topic, but those women don’t want to speak in public because they don’t want to be “outed” as “that feminist”.

Truth hurts. Here’s some more you might not have known, the majority of game designers and developers are heterosexual males. Shhhhh, don’t tell anyone. And we all know what they want to see. bow chicka bow wow

And as a woman who’s been there and struggled through it ever since I was a very, very little girl, I could tell you why that’s true and why it’s not because women don’t want to, but there are/were barriers in their way, I can send you a link or start a conversation by PM if you are truly interested. Won’t discuss it here since it would be off topic.
But I have a feeling you’re not interested, and just want to spout random things.

Siiiigh. OK let’s make this thread useless then. I guess there is no point in having Arena Net hear our thoughts.

I did NOT say that you were rambling. I definitely understand and respect your opinion. I do disagree with parts of it though. My intention with the ending remarks was so that we can each have a say, so that Arena Net could have a good idea of what their playerbase wants, and not just the loud few who post over and over again (myself included on that one). That would give everyone a voice, including you, and would allow you to vocalize your concern about sexism.

Being as that is not what you want, let’s drown it out with more useless arguing that will just go in circles. I’ll start, you can rebuttle back saying the same thing and then I’ll return with a repeat of this post. OK here goes…

I do not think that having sexual clothing is sexist. I think sexism is only when one sex is given higher priority than the other. This can occur with sexual clothing, and in many cases it has. However, the solution is to not remove sexual clothing, but to add sexual clothing equally for both genders. This is a common request in this thread that you are arguing against.

You are clearly placing higher priority on women and are disregarding the opinion of almost all of the males. That is sexist. I am listening to and respecting your opinion, and even fighting for parts of it. You are putting words in my mouth and are mis-representing my point of view, which I am assuming because I am a man. That is sexist as well.

I am 100% in favour of equal opportunity and am against all forms of prejudice. The only way to adequately combat this is to act equally. If one side is receiving the short end of the stick, do not give them higher priority to steer them back, or you will over shoot. Think of it like Lane Changing when driving. You do not turn your wheel sharply to get in the other lane, you look where you want to be and drive as if you are there, and you will naturally hover into the lane. That is what we need to do with sexism. Act and think that both are equal, and they will be treated as such. That is how I act in ordinary life.

Essentially, if you fight as you are, you are only going to alienate males and make them annoyed. The end result will be a further dichotomy between men and women, rather than synergy.

EDIT: In reference to post above.. WTH?? Way to take what Raestloz way out of context. This is exactly what I am talking about.

This argument is going nowhere and is only getting people heated. I do not think anyone is changing anyones mind on what is and isn’t sexist in this market.

At the size of this thread, I doubt ANet will be keeping up with it. Why don’t we all just sign off with a closing statement of what we think in regards to the topic at hand (More Skimpy Armor Please? [Merged]), and leave it at that? 1 post each.

I’ll start:

I would like to have more skimpy armour sets for my characters, but would also like to have a wider variety in armours available for both female and male characters alike.

Can someone remind me who Lady Kasmeer is? I googled and found nothing

Pretty sure the one on the left is an actual player in her underwear. The one on the right is a new NPC with custom skin bikini and hair. I do not recognize the hair anyway.

I wish we had both the bikini and the hair

rizzo.1079:

Jemmi.6058:

Hello Arena Net. Please make every aspect of the living story a dungeon. Then it won’t be starting as a singe player thing and moving to a group thing. This apparently is misleading to people. Therefore, in order to not mislead people and to continue to deliver amazing end-story dungeons, make every story step a dungeon.

Thanks!

I’m down with that, at least I’ll know I should avoid the whole thing because it won’t be any fun.

Great idea, +1!

Haha thanks for your support! I can understand where you are coming from, as that is how I feel about pvp. I suppose it’d be as if the last part of the story required some sort of pvp to complete. I don’t think I’d get upset about it, but I definitely wouldn’t complete it.

I would pay top dollar! well.. to a limit.. OK Not top dollar, but I would pay!

Please read this post by Colin.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Southsun-update-May-14th/first#post1979178

Culling removal is still in testing.

Erasculio.2914:

Jemmi.6058:

Except that the reason you can ignore them is not because they are useless, but because you can complete them by just enjoying the game.

By doing dynamic events, based on what Vayne and some others have said. In other words, dynamic events are (some times) great, yes. Hearts, meanwhile, are meaningless – the fact they can be ignored and just done automatically while people are doing some other kind of content (when that’s possible) is a great way to show how weak hearts are. The fact some posters here have adamantly used this argument to defend hearts is also a great way to show how bad they are – even those trying to defend them cannot use any better point than “they don’t get in the way”.

Hearts should have been some kind of content that people activelly do because they enjoy doing them (regardless of any reward), or they should just have been removed from the game.

I fundamentally disagree with your argument, in that the fact that the quests don’t get in the way is great. It means they are acting as intended, in that you do them by being immersed in the world.

I do enjoy doing the heart quests while levelling as well.

Meglobob.8620:

Morrigan.2809:

Meglobob.8620:

I hope they are working on a expansion and its a complete new continent.

If it is a new continent would there be 1 to 79 lvl zones?

I am not so sure 1-79 lvl zones would be worth doing…perhaps better to do a continent which is ALL 80th level or perhaps 60-80th level…

I would like to see 2 new classes in a expansion, 1 more heavy and 1 more unique, can wear all 3 types of armour but skills change depending on armour type?!?

2 JP’s per zone at least, some new dungeons if you must (but TRY to make them fun), WvW goodies, some PvP love and a few surprises/shocks…

^^^Buy this tomorrow, instantly…THATS WHAT I CALL A REAL EXPANSION…would pay $60 no problem…

While that would be great you are essentially asking for a whole new game- this one took 5 years to develop, so I think t is fairly safe to say you are out of luck. it is much too soon for all that.

Expansions will come- no idea when but I do not think it will be as soon as this year

No, not at all, what I asked for isn’t a new game at all…I have pretty much asked for more of the same…all the mechanisms are in place already and it should be far quicker to create new zones…the hard part is the creativity bit…ie does it end in a dragon, whats the story that leads upto the dragon, the new lore of the continent etc…

Expansions are usually like this. At least with WoW and Guild Wars 1. Entirely new continent, new classes etc. This is almost what I expected when we were promised an expansion worth of content

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

phlemhacker.1372:

This really sums up the argument. There is nothing inherently sexual about clothing or even the lack thereof. It is the actions of a person that determine how they should be seen and treated. Now historically, at least in this country, revealing clothes started to be associated with hookers and whatnot because that is what a lot of them wore. In this game however, none of the characters in the game perform any actions that would get them labeled as sexual objects, and therefore should not immediately be assumed that’s what they are.

I’m going to disagree with that. While it is true that many of the women in this game are portrayed normally. The fact that sexy outfits had to be included for women, but not for men, shows that video games still haven’t gotten over the “women are hot” phase yet. It is objectification of women. And it has been going on for a very long time now. I encourage many of you to watch this video from Extra Credits regarding women in video games. It might open your eyes to what we’re objecting to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ZVZRsy8N8

Just curious. Are you against women being attractive?

Erasculio.2914:

Vayne claimed my criticism of hearts was too harsh because he never has sto stop to do them – he just plays the nearby dynamic events, and that fills the hearts. In other words, he just ignores them. If the best thing you can say about an aspect of the game is that you can ignore it, it deserves to be harshly criticized.

Except that the reason you can ignore them is not because they are useless, but because you can complete them by just enjoying the game. That is the opposite of something that needs to be criticized.

However, I do not necessarily agree with that. I often am going out of my way to do hearts, and do the DE’s while I am at it for double reward.

I had this problem – disconnected on this story step – and fixed it by adding -repair to my GW2 shortcut.

dadamowsky.4692:

Jemmi.6058:

Just a clarification. 100 IQ is the average. That is how IQ is determined. The average intelligence is set to 100 and 70-130 represent 2 standard deviations away from that. In other words, the intention is that 95% of the population is between 70 and 130 IQ.

I agree this game and story are goofy. A quick look at some of the favourable characters shows you this (Tybault for example). I really did not like Tybault, because I found he was like an annoying little 14 year old. I joined the Order of Whispers expecting a dark, gloomy and secretive society that can be awesome. Instead, I got this 14 year old cat.

At the same time you missed a whole point of this char Charr – he’s goofy for a reason. His goofiness comes out from a fear of a failure, abandonment, unusefulness and dissapointing others. A smoke screen of a fragile and kitten sad character – what storyline can be more grim than that? In a horror it would be a perfect character to snap and start a bloody mayhem, since this is a heroic fantasy he sacrifice himself for the cause.

It’s not like I didn’t pay attention. I realize he had fear of failure, abandonment and unusefulness. That didn’t make me like him any more, especially after all the build up of what the order of whispers was. I found him to be a very big let down. I honestly do not understand the appeal, but to each their own.

EDIT: Had he not died so quickly and stuck with me for MANY more levels. I probably would have grown to love him, but for this it seemed like I had a weak and immature side-kick who dragged me down in everything I did.

Jack of Tears.9458:

And FYI for the guy who said “most people in the world have a lower than average IQ”: that isn’t possible – if the majority of people have a 90 IQ, then that becomes average. Besides which, IQ is measured in many ways by many different professionals – having a high education but low imagination will score you great in one test and not so great in another. IQ is the most overused and poorly understood term tossed about by people who want to sound smart while having no idea what they’re talking about. Even laughing at fart jokes – which I find stupid as all gettout (and Thank You Anet for not having a bunch of toilet humor in this game!) – doesn’t make you dumb; I know doctors in psychology, sociology and pharmacology who still laugh at those jokes … there’s just no accounting for taste.

Just a clarification. 100 IQ is the average. That is how IQ is determined. The average intelligence is set to 100 and 70-130 represent 2 standard deviations away from that. In other words, the intention is that 95% of the population is between 70 and 130 IQ.

I agree this game and story are goofy. A quick look at some of the favourable characters shows you this (Tybault for example). I really did not like Tybault, because I found he was like an annoying little 14 year old. I joined the Order of Whispers expecting a dark, gloomy and secretive society that can be awesome. Instead, I got this 14 year old cat.

Agreed, I am not a huge fan of them either. Though, I did not like the other items either, so shrug.

There was also molten gauntlets

Ayrilana.1396:

All veterans can be solo’d and everything obtained solo while contested. You have it much easier than those of us who did Orr prior to the nerf.

Hmm could be the time I was there. I personally have a much harder time now than before. This is less because of the difficulty of the mobs, but more because of the lack of players there. Months ago all the content was super easy, because people were everywhere. Now, it’s empty and much more frustrating.

Coopziana.1802:

That’s strange, and here’s me thinking the game was about challenging content and socialising with friends… WHAT was I thinking!?

Tell ya what guys, if you really want to see skimpy clothing and to design a character with different “skimpy” outfits for a little pleasure, I think you should take a break from GW2 and perhaps take a look at this site:

http://www.cuteflashgames.com/games/dress_up.html

Thank you for your contribution to this thread.

This game’s horizontal progression is geared towards aesthetics. Therefore, having more armour choices would match this ideology. Additionally, it would create a greater variety in what everyone wears.

Taking what you said about playing challenging content and socializing with friends, I could recommend you play some puzzle games on facebook, that way you can play challenging content and socialize with a greater number of real friends. I won’t suggest that though, because obviously you like Guild Wars 2, just as we do. I hope you can respect that.

I personally do not like 99% of the armour in this game. There is almost something I do not like in every set. For example, I do not like the dye colouring on the starter light armour skirt. I do not like the tattoo thing on the winged armour set. I do not like the fishnet stuff on the commando heavy armour set. I do not like the straps on the profane armour set… and so on. I personally just want an armour set that is clean looking and revealing.

Obviously, I do not think my opinion is the one that matters most. So I urge Arena Net to put in time to develop a bunch of new armour sets that are both revealing and not, for both men and women.

100% new class over new race. There is no difference between races and we already have 5. Having more races just potentially slows down the addition of more armour.

Alternatively, another profession would be completely new game play and that could be really fun! Especially for alt-aholics like myself

Recommendation on SP:

Get a Thief or Mesmer to stealth you while you cap it. Alternatively, you can guest on other servers.

That aside, I agree, Orr could be looked at.

Vayne.8563:

Kaiem.8297:

Translated out of corporate speak that reads “we plan to do an expansion pack at some point but currently haven’t started but you’ll give me kitten if I say that so ill just tell you we have started and give a load of vague reasons for not having a scheduled release”.

Not quite sure this is true. In fact, I’m pretty sure they have done some work on an expansion. But expansions in MMOs are used for business reasons. One of those reasons is to retrigger interest in the game when it starts to wane. Another is to put out something when a competitor is trying to get interest in the game.

Take the launch of the game in the first place. It clearly wasn’t ready. There were too many bugs. Even the trading post didn’t work at launch. But it was launched strategically to be out a month before MoP came out. That was good timing on Anet’s part. They made a lot of sales they might not have made if they’d launched six weeks later.

These days, a paid expansion is a big deal to an MMO, and the timing of the release to maximize profits is something every MMO does.

True, they could be aiming to release it to compete with Elder Scrolls Online’s release.

Most boring to me? Charr Engineer!
My only reasoning is I find both Charr’s boring in appearance and Engineers boring to play

If magic find gear was actually useful, than those who got it will have received enough drops to re-purchase the armor many times over. That means they received in their investment.

I don’t really find that it works from my own experience. I know this isn’t scientific, but I for ~50 hours after hitting level 80, I was wearing all magic find gear with pirate runes, platinum orbs I think. My drops were pretty meh then. I then changed it to 0 magic find, and my drops didn’t change at all. I went and sold all my mats from the bank and I did not have a lot of T6 mats to sell, so I know I didn’t build up on those. It seems my RNG wasn’t great. Moral of the story? RNG >>>>>>> Magic Find. I am definitely in the camp that killing stuff faster > +MF.

I don’t really care what people wear when I am in a dungeon with them though. What they wear is up to them. I just think they are doing no one a favour (including themselves) when going in with Magic Find sets.

I would sell materials you collect on the TP and then purchase gear off the TP

EDIT: Also, I would recommend that you also purchase minor runes/sigils/crystals to apply to your gear. I purchased 6x runes that each gave +10 power for 60 extra power, but you could easily get toughness/vit or whatever. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rune

DoctorOverlord.8620:

If you take that argument, there should have been no combat as it started without combat. (I hope you can agree with me that no combat would have been silly and boring).

I’m not talking about the content, I’m talking about the way the content is presented. Same as the point above, there is a difference between playing solo with a bunch of NPCs and seeing nothing but your character alone on the screen.

Argggh I said the last post was my last, but I could not resist.

You only copied half my quote and then misunderstood entirely! The content is presented in different ways throughout each step in an evolution. Read it again:

First you just saw refugees, then you had a lost and found scavenger hunt, then you had 1-man mini dungeons, then you had a group dungeon. No two parts of the story evolution was the same, so you cannot state that it was one-way throughout and ended another.

Vulpis.8063:

chuckle That is indeed a part of it as well—whether you actually have any liking for Destiny’s Edge or feel they have any worth to the current situation.

That scene in LA—shows me a group of has-beens who think they’re all that because they fought the last time. But instead of putting aside their differences and actually being useful now, they do nothing but squabble pettily and go running off their own directions. Why would I even want to associate with these people, much less go help them solve their little snit-fits? I’m busy with this thing called ‘Saving the World’—if they’re not going to help, I’d just as soon they stay out of my way so I can get the job done. If anything they’re a lesson in what not to do.

Just going to start out by saying that this is going to be my last post on this subject in here. I think I have stated my opinion and points. However, I’d like to address your most recent post.

One reason you may want to go check out these people is because they may tell you what not to do.

Another reason you may want to go check out these people is because one of them was your mentor for the previous 20 levels.

Another reason you may to go check out these people is because they have actually gone and battled dragons before.

So you do not like their characters and decide to ignore their story completely. That is your own fault that you are ignoring a significant part of the story. IMO their story is much more important to the primary plot of the game than 3/4 of the personal story missions.

You are showing that you clearly do not know how the story ends, as you are disregarding them so quickly. That is also a poor choice on your own part, and an example of something not to do.

If you like the story at all, I strongly recommend you go play the story mode dungeons in order. I’d even be happy to go along with you if you like.

Main point: just because you do not like a character, does not mean they are not vital to the story as a whole. I do not know of a story where there isn’t at least 1 important character that I personally do not like.

DoctorOverlord.8620:

Jemmi.6058:

The dungeons are portrayed as mandatory as the personal story. That is, neither are mandatory. They are only needed if you want the story.

And that’s the crux of the issue with me. The story is given to us without any need to group. We’re shown the vast majority of the personal story without any need to group.

Then after we’ve gotten invested in following the story, suddenly we need to group to see the end.

It’s like watching Game of Thrones for the entire season then finding out you have to go out to bar with 4 of your friends (not 3 friends or 7 friends but only 4) to see the last 20 mins of the season finale. Sure you can do it, but that doesn’t make it any less irritating.

The point of what others were saying, and that I was adding on to, was that Personal Story Dungeons were shown to you at level 30. This is hardly tacked on at the end. These are as much a part of the story as the Arah Story mode.

I understand why it can be annoying that it changed at the end, as the rest was solo. As I have already stated though, here are my counter thoughts:
1. I would have preferred every single story step be a mission requiring a group (like GW1)

2. They are providing content that appeals to all crowds, and that means sometimes you will be disappointed and sometimes I will be disappointed. It’s the nature of trying to please everyone.

3. You can look at it that it started with solo and ended with group. I look at it that waaay to much of the content is soloable and boring and only a fraction is group stuff and fun.

4. In terms of story, it made sense that a group was suddenly required. The Elder Dragon can supposedly kill gods, so why do you think you can kill it solo? I think they should have simply not made killing Zhaitan part of the personal story, and had it end at the mission before. This would have made a large portion of the story crowd happier I think.

5 In terms of Living Story, which is what this is focused on, it wasn’t a consistent set of many solo missions ending with 1 group event like personal story. It was an evolution of the story. First you just saw refugees, then you had a lost and found scavenger hunt, then you had 1-man mini dungeons, then you had a group dungeon. No two parts of the story evolution was the same, so you cannot state that it was one-way throughout and ended another. If you take that argument, there should have been no combat as it started without combat. (I hope you can agree with me that no combat would have been silly and boring).

Vulpis.8063:

In all fairness, it’s matter of viewpoint and interpretation of tone. What it really says basically boils down to ‘Hey, we unlocked a dungeon for you.’, with no indication of it being mandatory.

The dungeons are portrayed as mandatory as the personal story. That is, neither are mandatory. They are only needed if you want the story. Your first clue that Destiny’s Edge are part of the story is when you see them bicker in Lions Arch and then shortly after receive mail saying that Eir has run off to Ascalonian Catacombs (which she hinted at in the personal story instance).

TBH, I am surprised as a story lover that you were not hooked at the mystery around why she ran to AC. In the personal story instance, she said

Eir Stegalkin: It’s sad to see Logan and Rytlock argue. If only there was something to bond them together…
Eir Stegalkin: Yes, I know what might help. Caithe, I have to leave as well. I fear this meeting was a mistake, but maybe I can fix it.

I was like wait where is she going? Then AC popped up and I was like “oh hey, there she is!” and instantly went to check it out.

Oh, I guess I did not count the instances where you just are watching cinematics/talking.

hard to include them, because the only reason MWF requires a 5man group is because the enemies do not scale down. If all content was like that, then these instances would still remain the same (no enemies). To say that these instances suggest the entirety of the content should be solo, because you solo’d them, is kind of silly.

Noviere.7309:

I’m glad that they’re not adding armor with this update… not because I don’t want new armor, but because I’d hate crab armor.

But they could give us tropical bikini’s!

El curioso, 5 living story instances? I only know of the 2 prior to MWF. What am I forgetting?

Hey Xalugami,

Yes. I suppose it is a bit extreme and troll-worthy. However, it actually is my preference. I would have preferred if the short instances with Braham and Rox were actually grouped dungeons, for example.

I think from a business stand point, it makes sense for ANet to do what they are doing and provide both solo and group content.

From my personal stand point, I want all dungeons!

From a stand point of the current argument of the forum – see my original post.

Note: I don’t include the collection lost and found stuff in this. I mean more the actual story stuff, like the braham and rox instances. The lost and found was more of a teaser anyway.

Good point on living world changing though.

Vulpis.8063:

Huh again. From what I’ve seen, you meet them (or more or less try to) in LA, they have snit-fits and leave, and you spend nearly the entirety of the personal story gathering the allies and gear to save the world without them (only apparently, for them to pull an 11th hour A-Team Entrance.) They’re a splinter story, the Silmarillion to the personal story’s LOTR—yeah, it fills in extra info, but it’s not needed.

I am guessing you still have not completed Arah Story or any of the Dungeons in Story Mode? If so, I can understand how you wouldn’t know that they are needed for the story as a whole. Each of the characters of Destiny’s Edge is in a handful of story missions (depending on race) + all 5 in the two I mentioned. Plus you receive mails from your Herald about the story mode dungeons before and after you complete them. There is a lot of story you are missing out on that ultimately is very important on your final mission.

Do you read Game of Thrones? If so maybe this may help you. Imagine you hate the Lannisters, so you skip every single chapter on Cersei/Jamei/Tyrion. You are going to miss out on a lot of very important story, all because you hate the Lannisters. That is essentially what you are doing by skipping the story mode dungeons. You’re missing a crucial part of the story. It’s your choice to do it.

Hello Arena Net. Please make every aspect of the living story a dungeon. Then it won’t be starting as a singe player thing and moving to a group thing. This apparently is misleading to people. Therefore, in order to not mislead people and to continue to deliver amazing end-story dungeons, make every story step a dungeon.

Thanks!

Vulpis.8063:

Xalugami.2096:

Seriously though, at level 20 or 25 you get in-game mail telling you “oh hey dude, you need to start doing 5-man content because its part of the storyline”, so seeing the last quest take place in Arah is not even remotely surprising; unless you don’t care about the story enough to read the texts, in which case why worry about the story?

Huh—the one’s I got were basically ‘Those losers from Destiny’s Edge are begging for you and 4 other people to go help them in their own splinter story, if you feel like taking the time out of your own story to go help them. No ‘need’ involved in it whatsoever.

The ‘need’ he is referring to as in, you need to do it to get the story. The story dungeons are part of the story in the world and personal story. Destiny’s Edge is made up of your races mentors in the beginning, so right away they are part of your story. You run into all 5 of them in Lions Arch and again in the dream of Orr. They are also in the Arah Story mode dungeon, naturally. They are very much a part of the story, so if you want to have the full story, you need to do them.

I do not want to spoil anything, for people who have not completed the story, so I won’t say more from there regarding destiny’s edge’s part in the story.

Illysharia.7286:

Its rare that I get to read such a long-winded post from someone who:

a) Utterly fails to understand what is being talked about

b) Baits the people who are voicing their criticism and suggestions to improve the game

Non-constructive posts like that really muddy this discussion.

Funny, I liked his post so much I gave it a +1. He is right on the money and doesn’t fail to understand what is being talked about.

Funny also because your post is both Non-constructive and also baits people who are voicing their opinions.

I would add something more to stick on topic, but I feel that he hit the nail on the head.

Personally, I strongly disagree.

Dynamic events are cool and all, but are not challenging. Due to their nature, there is no limit on them and consequently fall into one of three categories:
1. Populated to the point that the only challenge is tagging the mobs before they die
2. Unpopulated to the point that they are so challenging they are either undoable or not worth the effort
3. Unpopulated, but easy enough. These are OK, but are not exactly fun.

Dungeons create an environment where ANet knows the number of players involved and can balance accordingly. This allows for challenging content that is also doable and rewarding.

True, I want a LFG tool. Though as I said, 3 of the 5x I have done it, I did not use GW2LFG.com. One of those was just a couple weeks ago, and the first one was in September.

Anyway, I am unsure how it could take so long to find a group for it on a pretty active server.

Shrugs

ghettogenius.9174:

Sirius.4510:

I’m not really sure how this gets to “GW2 isn’t for casual players”. Sure, they’re not going to be getting legendaries, but why are we presuming that’s what they’re playing GW2 for?

I am not presuming that casual players are playing GW2 for the legendaries or even exotics – clearly there are other motivational factors. But dont you think a casual player might eventually reach a plateau where they would be interested in acquiring one? Is it presumptuous to assume they might set that goal sooner rather than later?

Possibly. I would say that I am more on the end of Hardcore than Casual. Though, I am not sure if I really fit in either. Anyway, I have 0 interest in getting a legendary. If I receive a precursor in a drop, I will 100% sell it instantly. I sell all my mats etc. IMO the legendaries do not look good, and I would rather have the gold to buy Tier 3 armor skins and exotic gears for alts and alternate builds.

raiden.9024:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Five man groups mean a lot of things:

• Each player’s contributions matter more
• Keeps combat exciting and dynamic without being chaos in a game without a trinity
• Easier to find a group because you require fewer people in the group

Wait you can find a party to say Arah faster than u can do a group event(DE) I must been playing a different game when I sat for almost week waiting for a party to end the story.

Wow, maybe it is your server? I have completed Arah Story 5x now and have never waited that long. Twice I found a group reasonably quick running around Orr and looking for LFG Arah Story and throwing it out in map chat myself. I’ve done a guild run once too. and Twice I found a group using GW2LFG.com and I think it took ~5-10 minutes.

However, if you posted to GW2LFG.com I am sure you would get a group pretty quick too.

BobbyT.7192:

BIS = best in stats

Am i casual if I am only on 1 hour a day, 2-3 days a week, but i spend all that time farming CoF for money to get a weapon i want?
Am i hardcore if i spend 4 hours each night in LA not really doing much, and just doing the dailies?
What if i do the former one week, and the latter the next, what am I then?

You, sir, are BobbyT! And don’t let anyone tell you different.