Love it! and yes we have a right to lament our previous DPS cause it was awesome. The reason we aren’t weak is because the warriors that are left are the ones that stuck with the class through thick and thin and got good out of making the best out of a bad situation. We got nerfed so bad even Rytlock doesn’t want to play warrior anymore.
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<Oops, my reply was to stars – and I may be off, judging by the other replies>
No, you will have a certain number of Hero Points to use, based on your up to 80 leveling, and the skill challenges you have completed. Everything will be locked again, and you will unlock it again using your new Hero Points. Skill points not earned through up to 80 leveling or skill challenges will be translated to Spirit Shards, which are a currency use for obtaining mats.
So basically, those of us that have absolutely no interest in searching for skill challenges that unlocked everything via scrolls are getting a swift kick in the junk.
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I have to admit I am a little bitter towards pugs. I remember in the “full zerk, ping gear or kick” CoF days several times I would start my own party (not demanding specific build) just to have a couple people join and start asking for gear pings. Needless to say, I got kicked out of my own party on multiple occasions because I refused to ping gear in a party I created. One of the reason I am so anti meta, I believe meta is toxic.
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Oh look a mystery portal in a map that no one takes seriously……..i wonder where this will port me…..
facepalm
What do you do when they place that portal on a chest or piece of siege?
Click on the chest or the siege and hit F. It will choose what you have selected over the portal.
I should have explained a little more. Of course if you see a portal you target the chest or siege first but if there is no portal most people just walk up to it and press F. I’ve seen many people get caught because the portal got put down just as they were pressing F.
It takes two skills to activate a portal. The image of the portal entrance will be visible under the chest until the place it leads to is created. That portal entrance has a 60sec life.
The only way to get chest-snatched is to not realize there’s a portal sitting on the chest when you’re opening (which is difficult) or somehow not have the chest opened while a mesmer has time to set up the whole portal trap (which is also difficult.)
Don’t they go both ways? , once the portal is open you can port from either end.
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I don’t find it boring, I just don’t take well to being told what and how to play by a bunch of demanding little pugs.
What is the difference between using PS/EA or not on a dungeon run anyway, 30sec? 60sec? 2 minutes on some longer harder paths? Unless you are trying to break speed records why does it matter? If 30 to 120 seconds is what ruins your gaming experience you got issues.
Hey, your position is normal. There are plenty of people in the world who put their desires to do whatever the heck they want above the common good. I suppose you can get away with that forever if you really want to. Don’t feel surprised when people treat you as if you were a highly selfish person, though.
The pug which is demanding you play a certain way is also putting his desires ahead of yours. He/she is just hiding it behind the “for the common good excuse”. This is the reason I don’t play with pugs anymore. The truth is, PS/EA are not needed to have a smooth timely run, people just like using it as a crutch for their incompetence.
Sure but if everyone agrees that at some level it will be the best and easiest way for the group to succeed, then why not do it? If you know its the best but choose not to do it anyway thats on you not them.
In the marketplace well all pursue our own selfish agenda, but it works out because a fair bargain for me is a fair bargain for you and its in both of our selfish interests to bargain fairly. So when you say he is being selfish by demanding PS, sure he is, but he is being selfish in a way that benefits everyone.
How about this: I assume you brought Banners right? What if you wanted to play 5 sig warrior and the pug demanded you bring banners. Would you have made this post? Would anyone be defending you? This isn’t in any appreciable way different at all. The only difference is the community has a very much stronger consensus that banners = good and 5 sig = bad so it’s much harder to justify selfishness in that area.
You have a point, and lol at 5sig warrior. Those are bad even for solo play. My stance is, the only thing I owe the party is a smooth run. If the party is struggling, of course I will switch some traits around to provide more support but I do it on my own terms if I deem it necessary. If things are going well and we are clearing at a reasonable speed and nobody is wiping is it really needed? Should anybody have to pick something they don’t want to use just to please some stranger?
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“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
I don’t find it boring, I just don’t take well to being told what and how to play by a bunch of demanding little pugs.
What is the difference between using PS/EA or not on a dungeon run anyway, 30sec? 60sec? 2 minutes on some longer harder paths? Unless you are trying to break speed records why does it matter? If 30 to 120 seconds is what ruins your gaming experience you got issues.
Hey, your position is normal. There are plenty of people in the world who put their desires to do whatever the heck they want above the common good. I suppose you can get away with that forever if you really want to. Don’t feel surprised when people treat you as if you were a highly selfish person, though.
The pug which is demanding you play a certain way is also putting his desires ahead of yours. He/she is just hiding it behind the “for the common good excuse”. This is the reason I don’t play with pugs anymore. The truth is, PS/EA are not needed to have a smooth timely run, people just like using it as a crutch for their incompetence.
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
Oh look a mystery portal in a map that no one takes seriously……..i wonder where this will port me…..
facepalm
What do you do when they place that portal on a chest or piece of siege?
Click on the chest or the siege and hit F. It will choose what you have selected over the portal.
I should have explained a little more. Of course if you see a portal you target the chest or siege first but if there is no portal most people just walk up to it and press F. I’ve seen many people get caught because the portal got put down just as they were pressing F.
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
I don’t find it boring, I just don’t take well to being told what and how to play by a bunch of demanding little pugs.
What is the difference between using PS/EA or not on a dungeon run anyway, 30sec? 60sec? 2 minutes on some longer harder paths? Unless you are trying to break speed records why does it matter? If 30 to 120 seconds is what ruins your gaming experience you got issues.
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
Yeah great patch, this streaming client works great, Awesome job, I get to log in and play faster and it only takes me twice as long to load up a map. Getting way more play time.
If it’s taking you twice as long to load a map now, then you have issues.
It’s the same for everyone in my guild. Especially noticeable on LA since those loads times are generally longer than others.
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I didn’t say you specifically were limited. I said players, in general. Sure, you like the Dragon’s Jade skin and probably don’t want to use anything else, but what about others? What if you wanted to use Ghastly Grinning Shield skin?
Or if you just want a dark fiery guardian with fused weapons without the g@y blue shield ruining the whole look.
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“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
Yeah great patch, this streaming client works great, Awesome job, I get to log in and play faster and it only takes me twice as long to load up a map. Getting way more play time.
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
I think a lot of you are over hyping PS/EA. i also did this when until i watched a pod-cast yesterday with Brazil, Nemesis, and some other guy… anyways the party wide dps increase is nice if your fellow players can manage good dps uptime and they know how to play their class ex. they could be a staff ele with one of the highest theoretical dps’s over a 30 second period of time, but as soon as they die or as soon as they dont know that they should be using Meteor storm or 100% uptime lava font etc… the effectiveness of PS/EA drops significantly. PS/EA will not make bad players good. It will make mediocre players look better and it may even detract from a team where an engi or ele is solo stacking might before a fight. PS/EA is a band-aid for mediocre players. Good players will combo field and bad players dont benefit enough from PS/EA to make it useful imo.
This is pretty terrible logic. “Don’t run party buffs because the rest of the party has bad dps.” That’s called a self-fulfilling prophecy. Even with 4 other players in Nomads you being on PS is increasing the overall party Power by 3,600 which is like having a second Berserker geared player on the team. Switching to DPS warrior isn’t going to provide that kind of upgrade.
As far as “mediocre players” go, most speed clear guilds run PS+EA so take that for what it’s worth.
Most speed clear guilds know what/when to dodge and what/when skills should be used to maximize dps. Most pug groups don’t. What is the point of buffing the the entire party if they can’t maximize on that buff?
Because its better than the party completing the content unbuffed?
Better for who?
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It depends what you are crafting. I find consumables (food, oils, stones) to be more profitable than gear. Also, just upgrading raw mats into bolts and ingots will generate a profit.
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I think a lot of you are over hyping PS/EA. i also did this when until i watched a pod-cast yesterday with Brazil, Nemesis, and some other guy… anyways the party wide dps increase is nice if your fellow players can manage good dps uptime and they know how to play their class ex. they could be a staff ele with one of the highest theoretical dps’s over a 30 second period of time, but as soon as they die or as soon as they dont know that they should be using Meteor storm or 100% uptime lava font etc… the effectiveness of PS/EA drops significantly. PS/EA will not make bad players good. It will make mediocre players look better and it may even detract from a team where an engi or ele is solo stacking might before a fight. PS/EA is a band-aid for mediocre players. Good players will combo field and bad players dont benefit enough from PS/EA to make it useful imo.
This is pretty terrible logic. “Don’t run party buffs because the rest of the party has bad dps.” That’s called a self-fulfilling prophecy. Even with 4 other players in Nomads you being on PS is increasing the overall party Power by 3,600 which is like having a second Berserker geared player on the team. Switching to DPS warrior isn’t going to provide that kind of upgrade.
As far as “mediocre players” go, most speed clear guilds run PS+EA so take that for what it’s worth.
Most speed clear guilds know what/when to dodge and what/when skills should be used to maximize dps. Most pug groups don’t. What is the point of buffing the the entire party if they can’t maximize on that buff?
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“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
To me, “good loot” is any drop that is useful to my character(s). Unfortunately, 90% of the loot in GW2 is either:
Merchant fodder
Salvage fodder ……………
Both of those are indirect ways of of farming gold to buy what you need. I agree the loot in GW2 doesn’t really give you anything good directly but when you salvage and sell mats, merchant what isn’t worth salvaging it adds up pretty quick.
Another trick is to place a sell order on the mats you drop and place a buy order for those same mats at 16%-20% less . You can make a profit and keep your inventory full. Not always doable due to the market but definitely worth the effort.
Note to those who don’t believe in MF. While it won’t drastically increase your chances of dropping a precursor. The increase in quality drops (t6 mats, green/yellow gear, exotics) you get is quite substantial. If you are complaining about drop rates but haven’t pursued increasing your MF then you are at fault.
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No thank you! It’s bad enough that we had to suffer through 3 of them already. The idea was good, Anet’s execution of that idea was atrocious and it nearly killed WvW. Just give us an alternative method of purchasing those skins with in the WvW we currently have . Nobody needs another 6 week fiasco.
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Tell them to stack their own effin might! Why should you be responsible for their DPS?
Seriously, though I am big supporter of the play how you want as long as you can hold your own. Which is why I never join group that demand certain builds. I usually bring a banner and FGJ and that is the extent of my party support. If they aren’t happy with that then they can kick me.
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Mobs still give good loot, manage to catch a temple train yesterday an did 4 temples. By the time I was done I had about 20 rares, 2 exotics, a bunch of t6 mats, customary blues and greens, and a good old BL chest. You just have to know what events are still worth doing.
I just wish Anet would stop filling my inventory with junk. Seriously, the game even calls it junk and I have to run to a vendor a sell that junk. Why not just give is the silver we would have gotten for that junk directly and eliminate the unnecessary steps.
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LFG tool can be used for random things around the world right? like mapping and junk? Well you have to be in a group to use another person’s home instance. So you are looking to form a group with people who will pay to use your home instance. How is it different from selling dungeons?
But mapping as a group is doing content together. Fighting together. Deciding what direction to go into as a group.
And it doesn’t take much effort or skill to have home instance nodes. It takes effort and skill to be able to solo or duo some of the harder paths in dungeons. And they have to have the last boss still standing in order to sell the dungeon so you have to fight together to finish the dungeon.
It doesn’t take much effort to kill to final boss either. If they soloed or duoed a path up to the final boss a party is no longer required. It’s basically saying, pay us to bring your uplevel toon so we can kill to boss for you type deals. I don’t see the difference.
Maybe to guys advertising their home instance should just change the way they advertise. “Selling a spot for a gathering party cause it’s more fun gathering together”
Killing the final boss is still doing content together. Gaile never put a “You must intend to do content for X time together to put your group on the LFG.” in the rules.
And no matter what they put on the LFG, if it becomes known as the euphemism for selling access to the home nodes, they will get reported for LFG abuse.
Do you think that’s right though? that selling home instances is against the rules on the lfg but dungeons are fine?
I don’t think it is right since I don’t see the distinction between the two. If one is allowed so should the other cause all you are doing is advertising a spot in your party. As far as I know gather nodes is part of the games content which can be done together. You can advertise a party to dance in lions arch or assemble a musical quartet if you wanted and that wouldn’t be against the rules. How does that differ from the home instance? It doesn’t cause it’s all in game content which can be played together. If Anet doesn’t want us to invite people into our homes, why did they allow it in the first place?
It doesn’t make a difference to me either way, I never pay for dungeon or home instances. I never sell dungeon paths and I doubt anyone would pay to get access to my lonely little quartz crystal node in my home instance but I do believe that Anet isn’t being fair or reasonable in this case.
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
LFG tool can be used for random things around the world right? like mapping and junk? Well you have to be in a group to use another person’s home instance. So you are looking to form a group with people who will pay to use your home instance. How is it different from selling dungeons?
But mapping as a group is doing content together. Fighting together. Deciding what direction to go into as a group.
And it doesn’t take much effort or skill to have home instance nodes. It takes effort and skill to be able to solo or duo some of the harder paths in dungeons. And they have to have the last boss still standing in order to sell the dungeon so you have to fight together to finish the dungeon.
It doesn’t take much effort to kill to final boss either. If they soloed or duoed a path up to the final boss a party is no longer required. It’s basically saying, pay us to bring your uplevel toon so we can kill to boss for you type deals. I don’t see the difference.
Maybe to guys advertising their home instance should just change the way they advertise. “Selling a spot for a gathering party cause it’s more fun gathering together”
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
Yeah, of course it’s blocked by Aegis. That’s because you’re looking directly at it. Turn the camera a slight amount and you can see it fine, like you can see in my screenshot.
It’s like looking at really hot chick. She is perfect except for this big hairy mole just to the left of her nose. You try looking at her from different angles but to know the mole is still there waiting for her turn her head. You try ignoring it and looking past it at the person behind it but all you see is that big hairy mole.
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“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
Well shoutbow is getting one hell of a buff with the upcoming traiut changes and They seems pretty excited to bring the hambow back to fight against the hambow guardian during the ready up. So I wouldn’t get my hopes up about a viable melee only build. Soon we will have hambow rangers, thieves and mesmers.
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Oh for the love of god! 1000 times yes! Anet please do something about this. I know some dev probably spent a lot of time designing it and wants us to look at his work but….
1. It’s fugly
2. It doesn’t sit parallel to the forearm so it is clips my totally awesome gloves.
2.5 It hides one of my totally awesome gloves.
3. Makes any shield I want to use fugly
4. It’s ruining the look I am going for.
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Conditions can’t crit though so I think that’s the reason Power/Feroc/Condi doesn’t exist. Without decent precision crits would be irrelevant for ferocity
Although those stats would be amazing for hybrid builds.
Well the issue is what are you getting out of it. Power/Precision/Condi like Sinister is your best case for a hybrid. With Power and Ferocity without Precision there’s a terrible chance for you to actually crit which in theory nullifies the purpose of ferocity whereas with precision replacing ferocity at least you can crit. I’d have to do the number crunching to figure out what would be more worthwhile.
It would depend on the rest of your gear. I wouldn’t spec an entire set of gear with this but I could see a couple trinkets or even weapons. It’s all about balancing stats.
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Conditions can’t crit though so I think that’s the reason Power/Feroc/Condi doesn’t exist. Without decent precision crits would be irrelevant for ferocity
Although those stats would be amazing for hybrid builds.
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I feel that CI will still be a problem. In CI’s case, I think removal will be the best option. Then the condition cleansing it provides could be added to various other traits/skills, so you would still be able to get as much condi removal, but it wouldn’t come in one big chunk. As it is now, there is simply no reason not to take it.
We are getting some buffs to our other cleansing options so CI would take have the monopoly over cleansing anymore.
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I dunno, Dub. I also see most high level fractal groups range the Shaman in the Grawl instance. It drastically helps with dodging those burning arrows and prevents one arrow from applying burning to everyone. We generally clump and melee the elements at 75%, 50%, and 25% though.
Also, ranging the dredge boss makes it so much easier to pull him in the right spot for the oil and seeing the damage from kill shot on him is just so satisfying.
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I also took a break, just recently came back from a 6 month pause from the game. The reason I left is cause I didn’t like the direction the game had took over the previous year and quite honestly Anet had made some pretty bone head decisions. I don’t know what happened between then and now but they seem to have dramatically shifted their plans and I Ike the direction they are taking now. It almost looks like some people got replaced by people who know what they are doing.
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Well, you pro PvE warriors practice melee all you want. I don’t play enough PvE to memorize every boss fight and hope to god I never do, how boring it must get when you know them so well you don’t even have try anymore. I also don’t like playing with others so I don’t do dungeons very much any when I do I just imitate whoever I’m playing so it is usually melee except for a few select bosses.
When I do PvE it is usually solo roaming maps and fighting Champs and completing events and stuff. (which used to be more fun before the megaserver) There many situations where range was so much easier, especially for first time encounters.
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Even if it remembered your previously sold items and had a tab where you could review them. You’d be able to uncheck them from sell automatically if say an item changed in value to you.
Then you lose out and it’s your own fault for not managing your kitten. This would be a huge QOL improvement.
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But I think it might be better when you sell to a vendor if you have a tick box next to each one, and have a ‘Sell Selected Items’ instead, so there’s no overhaul to make a list of every single possible item in game.
That is kind of how I imagined it would work. Just a separate tab in the vendors menu where you select stuff to auto-sell.
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@FatRaKoon.1782:
I think we both agree that we don’t want any trait to be necessary in every build (hurts build diversity) … we’re just not sure how to make that not an issue. Agreed?
Both Fast Hands and Cleansing Ire are such traits that come up when it comes to “necessary warrior traits”. Agree d? … so why are we just focused on Fast Hands?
Actually, that I do not know, good point. I discussed FH because it was the topic’s subject (before it was drowned into multiple other considerations) and I didn’t bother taking a look at the broader picture. But you’re absolutely right. Nonetheless, when I see how much things people (inlcuding myslef) have to say about FH alone, I think we didn’t need the extra brainstorm X) (or maybe later).
I think a big part of the Cele meta is the friggin Might Stacking. I hate that the meta is so boon-heavy. Boons = passive stats = passive gameplay. I’d prefer it get back to more evading the big hits while landing your own.
I couldn’t agree more. But from what I read here and there, meta could go back to a more “skilled” one as Cele stats are going to be nerfed (let’s see how it is done though).
Do you have any links to some teams successfully playing the new high risk/high reward comps? I haven’t been watching the most recent tournaments. My interest in PvP at the moment is much less given my pregnant wife can now interrupt me at any time of day/night … even when she’s supposed to be sleeping.
Hmm right now I can only think of TCG during last monthly ESL finals (I could provide you with a link if you wish). They didn’t exactly run the kind of comp I mentionned but they played very aggressively with two zerker builds and manage to out-DPS and outrun their opponents (which were strong too). As usual, some brilliant moves from Helseth who really brings a lot to his team.
In the end, they crushed their opponents who could do nothing because of the lack of DPS.
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@Julie Yann
what makes shoubow (or any longbow build) so strong is not the Cele amulet. It’s CI, not only is it a guaranteed condi cleanse but the adrenaline gain from it (even under light fire) allows you to spam a full fire field the moment it’s off CD and allows you to burst much earlier in the fight. That is why we are kind of pigeonholed I to the longbow meta. Heck, on some of my builds I can full burst on both weapons (with FH) continuously.
This isn’t really true though. I mean I agree that LB is a must have in sPvP because of CI, but Shoutbow build has been made strong by the Cele amulet.
What makes Shoutbow build effective is the insane amount of sustain that it provides to both the player that uses it and his teammates.
I have two proofs of what I say :
1) The Shoutbow build exists almost since the beginning of the game but has entered the meta only after the Celestial stats buff (quite long after, oddly enough).
2) If what you say is true, that CI makes Shoutbow what it is, then you should be able to play it with a Zerker amulet, Valkyirie or Rabid (as when the build was created) which you cannot (well not with the same success that is). Why ? (even if I reckon you already know it). Because :
Celestial amulet = 638 Healing Power (or a 394 hp/sec with Healing Signet, not counting Adrenal Health’s regen), 2931 armor, 27602 HP, 438 condi damage, 193% crit damage for 1364 power and 25% crit chance.
Rabid amulet = 200 Healing Power (or a 372 hp/sec), 3143 armor, 23222 HP, 932 condi damage, 163% crit damage for 926 power and 35% crit chance.
Valkyrie amulet = 531 Healing Power, 3143 armor, 23222 HP, 0 condi damage, 193% crit damage for 1858 power and 4% crit chance.
All this to say that yes, LB is a must have for almost any warrior build because of CI, but CI is not the main reason behind the Shoutbow being rmeta.
I agree that Cele amulet has I deed made it quite a bit stronger but it was actually a pretty solid build long before the Cele changes. The Cele amulet has also benefited other professions just as well. Meanwhile, longbow has been a must have regardless of the amulet used. Remove the need to get CI and then there is a possibility for warriors to fulfill other roles using something other than a stupid bow.
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@Sebrent, what makes shoubow (or any longbow build) so strong is not the Cele amulet. It’s CI, not only is it a guaranteed condi cleanse but the adrenaline gain from it (even under light fire) allows you to spam a full fire field the moment it’s off CD and allows you to burst much earlier in the fight. That is why we are kind of pigeonholed I to the longbow meta. Heck, on some of my builds I can full burst on both weapons (with FH) continuously.
Good points.
How would you go about combating this pigeon hole issue? … or should we start a separate topic for that? (assuming you want to discuss it further).
Should ArenaNet change how CI interacts with the burst skill for Longbow? If so, what do you suggest?
I like these discussions btw, despite some of the heat, etc.. If we’ve learned anything from the Specializations coming, it’s that:
(1) ArenaNet can keep a secret till it’s closer to ready
(2) ArenaNet does look at our ideas on the forums … several trait changes for Mesmer were straight from various discussions in the Mesmer subforums. I believe the same has happened for other classes as well … I’m just less intimately familiar with all such discussions.
I said it before, speparate Embrace Pain from CI and make it baseline. Even with the new condi cleanse options that we will be getting I believe warriors will still be picking CI cause the adrenaline gain from it is just too kitten good and if you pick CI you might as well take a bow to maximize it’s potential. By separating them all non-bow builds get the benefit of being able to use our core mechanic and CI doesn’t overshadow our other condi cleanse options, opening up more build options, especially DPS/non-support builds which is what we really need.
While I would love FH and WS to be baseline, it’s not going to happen.
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
@Sebrent, what makes shoubow (or any longbow build) so strong is not the Cele amulet. It’s CI, not only is it a guaranteed condi cleanse but the adrenaline gain from it (even under light fire) allows you to spam a full fire field the moment it’s off CD and allows you to burst much earlier in the fight. That is why we are kind of pigeonholed I to the longbow meta. Heck, on some of my builds I can full burst on both weapons (with FH) continuously.
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
So every guy who says NO for baseline Fast Hands are :
a Mesmer
a Ranger
a Necromancer
a PvE Warrior
my fellow warrior mates, How DARE us ask for a baseline.
Most aren’t disagreeing with you because they are Mesmers, Rangers, Necros. They are disagreeing with you because what you are asking for is unrealistic. You said it yourself, FH and WS are the best traits we have in that line and you want to make them baseline?! Are you kittening serious?
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
Versatile Rage – cause we need adrenaline to use our core mechanic, even more so since Anet butchered it.
Warrior sprint – not only does it get us from point A to B 25% faster all our movement skill also get a 25% boost along with breaking immo (which is quite broken since Anet made it stack in duration.)
Inspired Battle Standard or Destruction of Empowered depending on if you want support or more DPS
Versatile Power – free might on weapon swap (goes nicely with fast hands) and also -15% burst CD
Burst Mastery- MOAR BURST! (Even hammers should be taking this over Merciless Hammer)
The entire trait line doesn’t just cater to a specific weapon set or a specific role (Tank/Support/DPS) but the entire class regardless of what build you are running.
But still Fast Hands + Warrior’s Sprint are truly the jewels of this line and truly effects every build.
I think i speak on behalf of most warriors, that if these 2 traits goes Baseline then the new SPEC will have a chance against DISC line.
Of course hammer warrs will have to pick this line but that is better than making all warriors forced to pick it.
I think most wars would rather pick disc for FH and WS then pick defense just for adrenaline gain from CI.
Bottom line, Anet will never make both those traits baseline no matter how long you hold your breath for it, it’s just too incredibly OP to get for free. However, there is a possibility that they would consider making Embrace Pain baseline and that is the tree we should be barking up.
Be careful what you wish for, Anet might just give it to you “HoT”
“…let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we shall die;.”
