Guild Wars 2

ChoChoBo.6503:

The forums was offline for nearly a day, and when it came back up, every HoT rage/qq thread was merged here.

Was this Anet’s answer to everyone?

You have a complaint? We’ll just drown you out with everyone else.

There’s over 90 pages here, I can’t possibly follow all the conversations. Are you telling me that someone from Anet is? Why have a forum for feedback if you don’t actually want the feedback?

You don’t have to follow the conversations, they are all the same. It’s actually a good thing that it gets merged. It’s easier to judge the size of the kittenpile they have created and determine how much attention they have to give to it.

Personally I hope this thread gets to be 1000 pages long

Jaymee.1560:

Funny thing to me, is, a good portion of this particular controversy could have easily been avoided with the addition of a character slot in the $50 package.

I agree with some folks that discussed in game today that Anet have shown us very little as to what we’ll be getting when we get HoT. Okay, I understand that raises questions. But for other people to start rallying up protests against this… this is where I would stop and say – “Use your head, folks.”

There was someone in DR today who is all but convinced that we are only getting 1 to 2 more new maps. I disagree with this. Just because it hasn’t been SEEN doesn’t mean that what they have shown us is all that’s going to exist.

I also understand a lot of these players are children, so I am likely to not all out ignore their statements, but they don’t come to the forefront of the argument.

It is not cheap to produce these games, and it takes money. A LOT of money. They have paychecks to hand out to their designers. I agree that the price was a little steep at $50 but… then again, how many character has anyone of us deleted out of sheer boredem? Therefore, there’s your character slot right there.

I think they could have gone about this a tad differently, but what’s done as been done, Can they truly change it now? My husband and I both bought the $100 package, if they were to change anything how would my husband and I be reimbursed? Think about it.

All they have to do is give us more digital stuff for the same amount of money. The best would be gems cause it’s flexible. Not everybody needs a character slot or title or a specific skin. Add 800 to 1200 gems to each of the packages would increased the perceived value of those packages. If you already bought a package you have bonus stuff waiting for you next time you log in. Anet sells more HoT, people get more stuff, those who have never used gems before get to experience the gemstore and maybe start buying more which equals for profit for Anet. Everybody wins.

@OP That sucks. 2 things you could do, play GW2 core game until HoT goes on sale, there is plenty of stuff there to keep you entertained in the mean time. Buy HoT not link it to your current account and turn you current account into a mule (2 times daily dungeons, fractals, JPs and daily rewards and bank space).

Seera.5916:

Do they have to respond? No. Should they? Yes. Even if the response is to tell the complaining players that nothing is going to change. And even just to say that they’re still discussing the options and have to weigh how easy the resolution is to apply, especially to those who have already purchased the game. And the latter one needs to be restated every few days.

1. Not responding means the side that wants ANet to go further has hope that things may change. Because nothing concrete has been said. This is especially true given ANet’s lack of communication on anything they are doing with the game. So they post and post in hopes to sway the company to do something in their favor.

2. The longer they don’t respond, the worse the damage from the event will be. And you can only discuss it for so long before players will think they’re just stalling to let the worst of the storm blow over before they pop out with a resolution. Especially if that resolution is not what those upset are looking for.

I’m not surprised it’s taking them time to react to this situation. They were trying to hype things up at E3 and it backfired. Catching them off guard would be an understatement and big companies aren’t able to react quickly in cases like this. Too many things have to go through too many people to make decisions, it’s a process that takes time. I’m sure there a bunch of people working overtime to make a decision and to formulate a proper statement and when it is ready they will come out a say it. The last thing they want is to come out, say the wrong thing and make things worst than they already are.

Despite all the bullkitten that has been going on in the forums I am glad to see this thread is still on the first page. I feel for you guys, facing such a loss is never easy. I hope Anet pulls through and does something special for guys.

Rai.9625:

so you are saying roughly the content of 20 maps. I think we can fairly cut starter citys out of it as well as the maps which came through LS
(as we don’t know how many LS things we can get through the xpac)

I think WvW is hard to implement as well and the new borderland should cover xpac roughly in that aspect.

they showed us partly and tidbits of 3 maps were each map is around 3 times size/content than the current maps.

so they showed us halfway of that, what you expect. Roughly I mean. Though only in numbers of maps (we can’t gauge the amount of story missions and such).

I would say, there is a good chance that the missing 50% of map content needed are included, but in your case I would wait until after the release (release of more infos)
to decide if to buy for that price or to wait.
I can understand that

That is why I keep evaluating (f you look at my posts in other threads) it’s current worth at $25 but I would be willing to pay $35 (maybe $40 if it came with a character slot) just cause I like the game.

Basandra Skye.4031:

Julie Yann.5379:

Hutchy.5430:

Julie Yann.5379:

The core game had enough content to entertain you for thousands of hours. What we know of HoT is it not even close to having that amount of content (not even 30%) yet we are expected to pay 83% of the price of the original game.

Even though initially we only get 30% of stuff that was included in core game, all future additions to the game will require HoT to play. The fact that you cant buy the core game anymore basically proves that point.

I don’t pay for promises. I will wait for HoT to fall into the price range I am willing to pay.

Hope that price range is a sliding scale, tbh. Odds are there wont be able sales on HoT until WELL into release, probably for a year or so. As near as I can tell, prepurchasing for the core game started a month or so before release. Unfortunately, no amount of googlekittenI used was able to find a definitive date to when Anet had the first sale on it.

I’m hoping this whole pricing fiasco has attract enough attention to curb sales enough for Anet to react and offer us a better deal before release.

As for release, my guess is the 3year anniversary date and we will probably be seeing a sale by the time wintersday comes around.

Rai.9625:

The question is, how many maps are enough maps for you?

They are asking for 83% of what we paid (US)for the core game at launch. At least 50% of the content for 83% of the original price would be enough for an xpac.

TheDaiBish.9735:

Julie Yann.5379:

TheDaiBish.9735:

How do you know that the amount of content isn’t worth the price when you don’t know how much content is going to be in the xpac?

Masteries are a PvE progression system; they don’t have any affect on SPvP or WvW.

Elite Specs are just another option and aren’t numerically more powerful.

There is sufficient information out already to safely make an educated guess at the amount of actual content in the xpac.

Based on this sufficient information, can you make an educated guess on:

• how many maps there’ll be?
• If they’ll have instanced content and, if they do, how much?
• How many world bosses will there be?
• How many jumping puzzles will there be?
• Will there be any mini-dungeons?

Yes

how many maps? not enough for a 50 dollar price tag that much is certain.
instance content (like dungeons)? The is no indication whatsoever on instanced content and Anet has stated that all major feature have been reveal so the answer is none aside from guild halls.
World boss? the rest of the game has 1 or 2 world bosses per area so educated guess is 1 or 2.
JPs? who gives a kitten about JPs? Only special people enjoy those.
MiniDungeons? WTF is a minidungeon? If you are talking about caves and hidden areas within the map I sure there will some of those but since the number of maps = not enough, this too =not enough.

TheDaiBish.9735:

How do you know that the amount of content isn’t worth the price when you don’t know how much content is going to be in the xpac?

Masteries are a PvE progression system; they don’t have any affect on SPvP or WvW.

Elite Specs are just another option and aren’t numerically more powerful.

There is sufficient information out already to safely make an educated guess at the amount of actual content in the xpac.

Grimm.2685:

Sadly, Arena Nets generous offer toward new players has mutated into this bile filled cesspool of greed, entitlement and miss understanding. Those that cannot understand that this was an act of generosity and not a slap in the face to all existing players are not worthy of any freebies.

It wasn’t an act of generosity, it was a cheap marketing scheme and it blew up in their face.

DaemonAngel.7643:

I can’t afford it for the foreseeable future. Money is tight to say the lest, but I do enjoy GW2, and don’t plan on rage quitting it. But I am disappointed somewhat with Anet’s price tag considering the amount of content (I care for that more than any “Vet” freebes).

My best option as I see it, is to wait for HoT to go sell on. That will likely happen about a year after its first day release (or buy it with whatever extra money around the holidays, which ever comes first).

Till then, I’ll avoid any PvPing, and maybe WvW as any player who does get HoT will have an edge via masteries and elite specializations. Guild activities and Living Story involving HoT is also be out of reach.

Long post short: Will have to wait awhile longer.

Well, if you wait until the holidays you will have more money and it will probably be on sale. Double win for you.

JUN YANG.4328:

oh yeah? remember this HOT is an expansion. although you can consider as a NEW game. who knows?? and they still need to fight in the market.

Do you think they will have enough NEW player to compare other brand new game in the market? what the advertisement will be? “HOT the brand new game” ….lol

dont forget HOT still under GW 2.. is two. is not GW3..

It’s GW 2.1

Hutchy.5430:

Julie Yann.5379:

The core game had enough content to entertain you for thousands of hours. What we know of HoT is it not even close to having that amount of content (not even 30%) yet we are expected to pay 83% of the price of the original game.

Even though initially we only get 30% of stuff that was included in core game, all future additions to the game will require HoT to play. The fact that you cant buy the core game anymore basically proves that point.

I don’t pay for promises. I will wait for HoT to fall into the price range I am willing to pay.

@OP

It’s not about the money. It’s what you get for that money. If you are happy wasting $50 on $25 worth of dlc and a feature patch then good for you. We do not agree with that pricing and it is our rights as consumers to ask for a better deal. Quite frankly, I wish more people would exercise that right instead of just blindly pulling out their wallet. Wether we get a better deal remains to be seen but you can’t stop us from trying. My moto “Never pay full price for anything”.

The size of this kittenstorm is just a good indicator of how many people disagree with the deal they are being offered.

Kurogami.9210:

Manasa Devi.7958:

Kurogami.9210:

Yes, but ‘creating content’ is exactly one of the problems here. We know for a fact that HoT will receive constant updates and new content, which basically means that the amount of content we get for these 50$ will slowly but constantly rise. And if the size of HoT increases, so will its value.
But when will players be able to say that they are happy with the amount of content they got?

That only makes an early purchase at full price less attractive. Wait for a discount and get more available content. More for less.

Yes, so why do people purchase a game at release when we know for a fact that EVERY game, single-player or MMO, will get cheaper as time goes by?

Because they are impulse buyers that companies prey upon to get into their wallets.

…and LS is cheap content that isn’t worth paying for. In my case it wasn’t even worth playing.

The Kraken.2347:

The price for HOT stand alone ONLY is $50, that is the price of the expansion…. Ok, still following…… Base game is included free to make it easier for new players to get into, which is a good thing.

I still dont understand why so many arent paying attention and think they are buying the original and the expansion.. HOT cost $50, thats what your paying for.

Because HoT is not worth $50 of content. The only remaining way to justify that price tag is that they included the value of the core game which was being sold for $40 up until they announced HoT pre-order. I can’t believe some many aren’t seeing what Anet just tried to pull on us.

Kurogami.9210:

So what if it turns out that the expansion actually is worth the 50$?

I highly doubt it. Unless they decide to postpone the release date further to add more or include some wording in the terms of sale which binds them to create x amount of content for it in x timeframe.

Channel.9402:

It’s just anet trying to see if people are willing to buy a 2 in 1 feature pack patch for 50usd. Cos after this there will be no base game/expansion differentiation. It’s all just a 50usd patch ^^

That describes HoT quite well. A feature patch that contains about $25 of DLC.

$35 US is what I would pay for it. Throw in a Character slot and I will up that to $40 US

Duke Blackrose.4981:

Entirely agree. The state of this community is an embarrassment.

Of course, we’re used to being entitled kittencanoes. When Arenanet gives us quality content for free, we complain about its flavor. When they give us the expansion we’ve asked for, which contains loads of features we’ve been demanding (aka, a prime example of them actually listening to us), we harass them for not pricing it at bargain-bin levels, nevermind that we haven’t been paying a sub for this game and have enjoyed an incredible money value for the past three years.

I would be highly amused if Arenanet ever drops the term “friendliest, most welcoming MMO playerbase in gaming” again. I bloody wouldn’t. Not after this ordeal. And they’d have to be patron saints to not recite that line through their teeth from this point on. This may well be a marketing fiasco, but, even more so, it’s a community fiasco.

Don’t worry, when this fiasco is over we will still be the “friendliest, most welcoming MMO playerbase in the gaming.”

and the Devs have already taken enough misdirected flac over this and Anet knows they screwed the pooch on this issue and pretty much killed the HoT hype during E3 when you are suppose to be hyping kitten up. They aren’t saying anything cause, they don;t know what to say or do to make things right yet. One wrong statement could them in a downward spiral. When they know how to fix this mess they will speak up. They have no choice with the amount of attention we attracted.

How ungrateful we are, we are all up in arms cause they want to charge us $50 for an xpac. For the same price the people in China only get a legendary.

The short answer to the title of this thread is YES. But that salt should be thrown at the corporate side of Anet and not at the devs and forum staff. They little people like us.

@OP It’s not free stuff, none of it was ever free. Everything we got was payed for by people supporting the game through the gemstore. If you didn’t support the gemstore then you are welcome for your free stuff that we paid for.

As for the expac not being worth the price, a simple comparison of what was offer in the core game for it’s price at launch with what is offered in the xpac for roughly 80% of that same price and what is being offered isn’t equal to 80% of the core, in fact from what we have seen it is barely 25% of the content.

Content is only 1 thing. The value of the experience is another. From what I have seen from the new map, I will probably hate it and won’t be spending much time in it. It’s not my style.

Hanggliders…lol

LS story season 3 and 4, I haven`t even played season 1 and 2.

Guild halls, meh, if it would have been actually customizable player housing (not the home instance bullkitten) I would be excited but not for guild halls. It would be fun if I actually found a guild that I liked. At the moment I just leech the bonuses of large guilds that don`t manage their roster.

GvG, too little to late. I been in 3 gvg guilds that eventually fell apart cause proper GvG was not being offered and everyone got bored and left. That bridge has been burnt.

That leaves me with revenant, specializations, wvw, and PvP most (all but revenant, masteries, and new pvp gamemode) of which is being offered to the core game.

To someone like me, $50 is to much to ask for. I all for supporting the game cause I like it but I won’t pay for features I don’t intend on using.

Sylent.3165:

Everyone needs to stop arguing already and making a million posts flaming each other. It’s very very simple.

If you want it, you will buy it, enjoy it, and play it.

If you don’t want it, just don’t get it. simple as that no need to make a flame war. No one’s forcing you to get it.

Did I miss anything? Because this mess on the forms has got to stop

But the forum hasn’t been this active in over a year, these is literally a new post every second. Don’t you love the interaction?

jesters.9406:

Lord Kuru.3685:

jesters.9406:

evadrepus.1280:

The silence is taking a long time. I think there’s only one way to go. I would expect to see a message like this very soon:

“Greetings fellow inhabitants of Tyria,

Earlier this week we opened pre-orders for our exciting new expansion, Heart of Thorns. We are really excited about this expansion – not only does it have the new Elite classes, only a few of which have been fully revealed so far, but it also introduces a whole new world for you to explore. We have many more teasers and spoilers planned over the next few weeks that will let you share our excitement about the expansion.

That said, we here at Anet have been aware of the voice of the community on the pricing or content of the expansion packs we’ve offered. We feel that the prices we listed are appropriate for the content we are releasing, and certainly comparable to the other releases we and other gaming companies are producing these days. We have a fantastic user base, and many of you have been as hyped as us for the expansion. Some of you have been with us from the original Guild Wars, including even some of our beta testers of that game. You veterans form the core of our userbase, and are are often the most vocal supporters for us. Or, in this case, vocal in your discontent. We do want to have you continue your journey with us through Tyria, after all, we have dragons and lore you haven’t even seen yet (are you there, “Bubbles”?).

After a great deal of internal conversation, we’re making the following change to all expansion packs: All packs will now include 800 gems, which is the current cost of a character slot in the game. Are you one of our players who has a maxed character in every slot? You can use these gems to buy yourself a new spot to roll that exciting new Revenant. Are you a newer player and still have open slots? Use these in our Gem Store to buy many quality of life and appearance items – we’re sure you’ll find something you’ll like! For our user base who want to buy the Ultimate Edition, you’ll now get these gems in addition to the ones you already are receiving as part of the package. We expect you to be the snappiest dressed Revenants in Maguuma!

Once again, thank you for your passion around our world. We are on a shared journey and look forward to you joining us in the newest chapter, Heart of Thorns!"

If this is Anet’s response to this situation, I’d not only be happy to pre-purchase now, I’d go ahead and get the Ultimate edition and I know I’m not the only one. I know for some the price of the standard is tad high so the Ultimate is unthinkable for them, but a good-will gesture of 800 gems across the board would at least mean people have equal access to content right out of the HoT “box” and to me that’s the real crux of the matter.

Honestly, I think this kind of gesture would soothe a lot of this anger (though of course not all of it) and get a lot of players back of the hype train again. It would also send a very strong message from Anet: we want new players but we also value our current players and are listening.

anet pls.

New feature announcements from Colin (Dragonite ore eater, ascended stat changes) look like they’re being used to quell the riot. So I don’t think pricing will change.

Well, personally speaking I’ve not said that the price should be reduced or ever thought it would. To my mind, making that $50 minimum stretch out over more (and not even a lot more, 800 gems as suggested) would be the wisest call they could make.

I agree. I was expecting to pay 35$ for the expansion and willing to pay a max of $40. Don’t care about character slots I already have a spare one I used for key farming. What I want is value for my money, giving extra 800 gems ($10worth) which I would have eventually bought anyway brings the expac into the price range I was willing to pay and I am sure it would be enough to satisfy a lot of people who aren’t happy about the current HoT pricing.

Coulter.2315:

Guys this stink you’ve made over essentially nothing (its £5 you’re screaming about and new players getting something free) could really damage the company now… Stop it.

Guild Wars has been an excellent franchise for 10 years, don’t drag it through the mud because you ‘feel’ you’re owed something more (again this something more is TINY). Its not worth the damage.

We don’t need to drag it through the mud. Corporate is doing fine job of it on their own.

I will be getting the $35 xpac when box sales don’t meet their target and it gets put it on sale.

Teon.5168:

Julie Yann.5379:

Teon.5168:

You do realize that there are many other threads about this topic……you really don’t need to make another one.

Did you even read past the title?

Yup, therefore that is why I posted a smiley face. I agree that the anger needs to be redirected at corporate, and not the Anet devs and such……they had nothing to do with any of this pricing/marketing.

That being said, there are lots of threads with the same sort of comments as yours….(I commented about exactly the same thing in many of those threads.)

I didn’t even see the smiley face. Who’s not reading now, lol.

They must have been buried behind or merged into the giant unhappy mega thread cause I haven’t any.

Teon.5168:

You do realize that there are many other threads about this topic……you really don’t need to make another one.

Did you even read past the title?

It is unfair to:

The people who recently purchased the game to have to ask for a refund and lose the progress they had made to get that refund.

The people in customer service/support who now have to process what is probably thousands of refunds because of this.

The players with actual problems having time taken away from there problems to process those refunds.

The Devs and livestream crew who are excited and pumped to showcase the work they have accomplished for us to have it overshadowed and downplayed by this fiasco.

The forum all the forum staff and reps who have to take the heat from all of us for something that wasn’t their doing. I feel your pain.

It is unfair to all these fine people to have to go through this cause a couple corporate dipkittens in marketing tried to play us for fools and those involved in making that decision should be giving all the people mentioned above a formal sincere apology.

TurtleofPower.5641:

One thing that bugs me is the people that don’t see the problem keep saying things like:

“We don’t know what’s in the expansion.”

Um… they covered that the last few months. Maybe do some googling? Sorry but expecting tons and tons of extra content to magically appear in it is pure wishful thinking.

“We should be paying MMO monthly fees anyway. Who cares about price?”

If you think that’s not stepping in it when talking to the original GW community… oh boy.

“People are entitled! Backlash is undignified!”

Right. Try ripping off any other community and you get the same.

“It’s fine that there’s no character slot and that for some reason new players get kitten savings and the playerbase gets no bonuses at all. I like spending money!”

Aren’t you special.

To your first point: Yes they have been give us a lot of info. The problem is that what they showed us does not equal $50 in the eyes of many. What you are seeing hope, people are just hoping there is more that hasn’t been revealed to justify that cost and not destroy the faith they have in Anet.

Second: There are some people that don’t realize how much money the gemstore puts into Anets pockets. Hint: It’s way more than what sub fees would bring in.

Third: Those people don’t know what entitled means or how to use the term properly.

Last point: Many don’t know the value of money and buy impulsively. They would probably pay $50 for the expac if all it had was a stupid hang glider and a pet rock. Buyers remorse will take care of them.

Angelica Dream.7103:

@Weylin, Yeah Anet really dropped the ball on that. They suggested to buy last month so that you can upgrade later. REALLY bad move on their part.

Also Anet said they will refund you purchase to buy the now HOT but you lose you progress. Even worst move.

Just bad planning

Just like anything else Anet does. They might have great ideas and intentions but the execution of those ideas usually turn into a great big kittenshow.

Angelica Dream.7103:

@Weylin, Yeah Anet really dropped the ball on that. They suggested to buy last month so that you can upgrade later. REALLY bad move on their part.

Also Anet said they will refund you purchase to buy the now HOT but you lose you progress. Even worst move.

Just bad planning

Just like anything else Anet does. They might have great ideas and intentions but the execution of those ideas usually turn into a great big kittenshow.

Ykfox.3825:

Okay, I’m confused. How do people seem to know how much content we’re getting when the expansion isn’t even out?

I’ve not been in any of the Beta’s for HoT, but I can’t see them giving access to every single zone anyways.

While we don’t know exactly how much content is in HoT given the information we have been given it is a safe bet that it does not equate to 83% of the original game (which was 60$ at launch). We could be wrong and many of us might take back what we said once more info is released but as of now the xpac isn’t worth 50$.

vincecontix.1264:

Guys $50 is the price of the expansion only those who pre-purchase get the the core game from free. Those who pre-order aren’t paying for the the core gw2 game.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/hot/HoT-Price-Feedback-Base-game-included-merged

Do you really believe that Anet is going to start charging new players for both the core game and expac once HoT launches? the answer is No. After launch people will still be getting the same deal they are getting now. This is all part of the hype to trick the impulse buyers into forking out some cash for something that essentially doesn’t exist yet.

Unloveableone.6082:

Yeah I’m sure buddy. See you on launch day.

If I deem HoT not to be worth the price you won’t. I still have plenty of stuff to keep me busy with until it goes on sale or until Anet sweetens the deal.

Unloveableone.6082:

I could scrounge around my house for 10 dollars in change.
Like…..if 10 dollars is a deal breaker for you, you may want to rethink your career choice my friend.

The problem is not the money, we all have the money to get HoT. The problem is that Anet hasn’t given us any indication that we will be getting our money’s worth. Hows is that so hard to understand. If you believe you are geting 50$ worth of stuff with HoT than good for you. Some of us value our hard earned money quite a bit more and aren’t willing to just throw it at a sub par xpac just because Anet said it was worth it.

It is unfortunate to experience such things, especially when you are new. Unfortunately it is a by product of anonymity.

Thobek.1730:

I’m with the OP on this. Anet owe me nothing and I’m also happy to spend $50 on this expansion.

They have given me years of entertainment for next to no cost and I feel no issues with supporting them now.

disappointed with the community tbh.

and we are disappointed that your are disappointed with us trying to get everyone a better deal. Wouldn’t paying 35$ or 40$ be a good thing?

The core game had enough content to entertain you for thousands of hours. What we know of HoT is it not even close to having that amount of content (not even 30%) yet we are expected to pay 83% of the price of the original game.

Wow, it didn’t take long for them to delete that one. Given how much effect a stupid funny vid is having and how much effort they are putting into making it disappear makes be believe that there is a lot of truth to it.

Does this include the damage modifier on weapons or just the stats? If it is just the stat the actual difference still isn’t that big a deal. But a 10% damage modifier on weapons is quite significant.

Bang for buck? Hands down FO4. Not only will you be getting a game riddled with bugs (always good for a laugh) but there is also a awesome community of modders that will not only fix those bugs but also provide loads of new buggy content equivalent to the HoT expansion for free.

coso.9173:

for your sandwich comparison:
-you bought a sandwich yesterday for 2$.
-today there is a new ingredient on your sandwich, tomato.
-they now sell the sandwich for 3$
-you go and complain you want just the tomato for less than 3$ since you already have the sandwich, but they tell you they only come together, so you can’t get the tomato on its own unless you pay the full prize.
-you complain about being a “loyal” customer. (even though some of those are known to just sit on the place to steal wifi).
-they remind you that they know that and each year for your birthday they give you special freebies. But you want more.
-you keep complaining.

I think you got it wrong.

You bought a sandwich for 2$ yesterday
Today they add a slice of tomato to it and sell it for 2$ to a new costumer.
You walk up to the counter and order that same sandwich for 2$ but all they give you is a slice of tomato because you’ve already bought the sandwich.

Would you be willing to pay 2$ for a slice of tomato?

BolkovonHarnfeldt.1372:

Celtic Lady.3729:

I don’t think there are going to be any new dungeons, fractals, or raids. They’d have mentioned them already. Challenging group content is likely guild hall obtaining and new DEs in the HoT maps. Don’t know how many zones exactly, but I don’t believe there’s all this unknown content coming that hasn’t been mentioned.

But that’s my point, isn’kitten We don’t really know what we are supposed to be already buying (not ordering)

Edit: Really? isn’ t it is a swearword now?

no but the part in bold is apparently

coso.9173:

because what you’re asking is impossible, they can’t give you something you already have, simple as that. And that is what you people can’t wrap around your head. all you think is “I have been playing a long time, and therefore I need compensation and special treatment. beacuse birthday freebies and stuff isn’t enough.”

They aren’t giving anything to anyone. New players aren’t getting the base game for free. They are paying 50$ for it and the xpac. Saying it is free is just a cheap marketing tactic. Just last week the base game was worth 40$ all of a sudden it is worth nothing?

cause some people like the feeling of buyers remorse.