Commander to [SLVR], Housepet to [GH]
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The only people Liadri alienates are bad players.
…so I suppose that’s most of the gw2 community.
Learn her skills, watch a youtube video for a Liadri kill someone else did with your class, look on dulfy’s site, copy, win.
I’ve never done Liadri but I’m pretty sure if I just watched a youtube video I could beat her in maybe three tries, tops. Also, stop using bad gear and bad traits.
And yet you’ve not attempted it for yourself?
For the most part, the fight is indeed quite systematic, minus the cosmic orbs which toss in a dash of randomization (and even the orbs as far as I can tell are not completely random. By my estimation there are four to six specific set patterns to where they make their appearances. As far as I can tell however, which of these four to six patterns you end up with at the start of a match is indeed random). Even with the movement disability of my left hand the most common culprit for my demise in a Liadri match is indeed either the orbs or the 2 minute timer. I don’t function well with low tank high dps builds, as I simply cannot make up the difference and evade more to negate damage due to simple poor finger mobility. Saying that the fight by any means isolates “bad players” is a rather moot point. Seeing as the fight only really caters to one play style. Namely the high mobility, high dps method of play. Much like every other fight in the Gauntlet mind you, all of which require varying methods and strategies for completion. Some forcing you into melee or close quarters combat (Deadeye), some requiring extensive utilization of ranged attacks and one’s dodge abilities (Salazon), etc.
I will note and freely admit, that ever since I actually did have a friend assist me with Liadri to get the mini I coveted so and ultimately finished out the majority of the Gauntlet achievement line (not to mention the first year minis, of which she is the last), I’ve have went back and fought her simply to not waste my remaining tickets. I have found her a great deal more enjoyable. Simply because she’s no longer dangling a prize that I can literally never achieve on my own in my face (being a ardent mini collector, this was a horrifying excercise in inadequacy for me, and salt thrown into the wounds thereof). At this point she and the other Gauntlet contestants are simply a challenging and therapeutic test of dexterity on fingers that frankly need the workout to stay as nimble as possible.
I’m quite certain the jotun in the sPvP lobby area hasn’t by any means missed my morning warm-up sessions at all, and if he were programmed so, would likely be greatly relieved for the reprieve. Rofl!
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Please focus on the good fights, defences and sieges we have had this week.
Jinks will enjoy this one as well.
Ehmry in SoS BL last night. We held their Hills for hours with right around five people (almost constantly outmanned) and almost had the place fully fortified by the time their ridiculously large zerg came around
In fact, after no less than a dozen failed attempts at ramming, catapulting, and trebbing Hills, the final fight was something like 10v50+ after the keep was fully starved of supply and they knocked down the wall from NE camp’s cliffside with not one but three trebuchets after their entire zerg came to tear down the siege along the wall. And do you know how SoS was forced to take down the inner gates? Slow, tedious PvDoor…against TWO doors at once because they couldn’t face all ten of us in the same place without getting pushed back to the walls.
So Jinks is right: The one and only reason they got their Hills back – and succeed as a server against NA ones – is because of overwhelming numbers while the enemy is sleeping. I had a blast holding Hills the other night; to all of the chest thumpers pointing at the actual score, I lol’d. Fun fights, great night overall, and kitten did I see just what I needed to see. XD
Oh ya I remember u guys sitting on hills for hours strait, we would go there with 10 ppl and suddenly there would be AC’kittenting us from all over the place, so we just moved on. If EBay’s definition of fun is just to sit on AC’s for hours on end, I am glad I am on SOS. At least Kain came out to fight when we tried hitting bay, props to CNB for always coming to the open field.
Rofl! This argument looks familiar. XD
I swear half of these conversations are recycled from match-up to match-up.
Well, what a nice surprise to come back to after my break! I see some amongst us are already mingling in lively fashion.
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You make a fair point.
I don’t mean to sound like a jerk when I say that when someone is handicapped, there are necessarily going to be things in life that are harder or even near-impossible for them to accomplish. It’s not a pleasant fact, it’s not even a fair fact, but it’s still the truth.
Is there a solution for it? Well, not always. Naturally they can’t create content with every disability in mind. If they did, then it wouldn’t even be content for people without those disabilities.
Also, not that I’m endorsing this at all cough but you could always ask a friend to help you by doing the fight if you really want the mini that badly. But I’m not suggesting that at all because it’s against the rules. Just sayin’. cough
(Also are you on JQ? That writing seems familiar)
I was shocked I got so much flak on the “Liadri Alienates a Lot of GW2 Players” thread that’s similar to this one. I consistently got comments like “Get good or suck it up” etc. When it was never an issue necessarily that I wasn’t skilled enough to beat her, I was simply incapable. Due to my having the pinky, ring, and partial middle finger of my left hand crushed, the same hand the majority of us use for base movement and the activation of weapon skills, etc. They now only functioning at about 40-60% of their original capacity.
Doesn’t make me by any means a bad player. I’m almost always one of the last to fall in a dungeon and carry myself just fine in most ordinary circumstances. I cannot however turn, use weapon skills, dodge roll, ect in very rapid succession for sustained periods of time (auto-run is a godsend though). I found I cannot perform particularly well in things like Sanctum Sprint either, for much the same reason. You can freely check the backlogs of my conversations here and find that I had zero qualms in the case of that particular event however. You’ll find not a peep in my conversations regarding that. Why? Because Sanctum Sprint was not a flat-out requirement to gain the overall achievements and minis in that event. We were given ample other options to reach the same goal, and through no less work. That was not the case here. Liadri and her mini are a one-stop.
I will note, that ever since I actually did have a friend assist me with Liadri to get the mini I coveted so and ultimately finished out the Gauntlet achievement line (not to mention the first year minis, of which she is the last), I’ve have went back and fought her simply to not waste my remaining tickets. I have found her a great deal more enjoyable. Simply because she’s no longer dangling a prize that I can literally never achieve on my own in my face. At this point she and the other Gauntlet contestants are simply a challenging and therapeutic test of dexterity on fingers that frankly need the workout to stay as nimble as possible.
I’m quite certain the jotun in the sPvP lobby area hasn’t by any means missed my morning warm-up sessions at all, and if he were programmed so, would likely be greatly relieved for the reprieve. Rofl!
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Arleen Sorkin is married to Christopher Lloyd. +1 to awesome.
Nice, I loved his work on Frasier.
But that isn’t Christopher “I was FROZEN TODAY” Lloyd, to which I just found out earlier.
Rofl!
I just imagined Christopher Lloyd as a grumpy old and slightly senile Asura… Comedic gold written all over it.
I don’t know. It seems too melodramatic for a fluff item in a video game.
A fluff item, and yet you and many others are coveting and defending it so adamently.
It’s not broken. I’ve beaten it. My guildies have beaten it. I have screenshots as proof, if you’d like.
It is possible to beat. There’s a system to it. I figured it out.
Hyperbole isn’t a good argument, and none of your examples take into account the complexities of the real world, things we don’t have here. Unless you don’t have access to all your skills/traits, there’s no argument to be made for that kind of stance.
At the end of the day, you do not, or did not, have the skill to beat this content. That doesn’t make it broken. That makes you unskilled. End of.
First off, congratulations to you and yours. Proof isn’t necessary, unlike some people around here, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt as to their word until it’s proven that doing so was an act of folly.
I’m well aware there’s a method to it. You don’t make 240+ attempts and not learn anything at all. As previously stated, I know the pattern to the Asuran dome so well that if Liadri decided to take 20 and go for some nachos and a slurpee at the nearest 7/11 I could easily fill in for her while she was away if allowed to borrow her skill set. The “ins and outs” are well known to me. Don’t stand directly on the portals, in phase two stay toward the center of the room for a shorter run, melee is preferable on the orbs, stealth halts Liadri and her clones. Yadda, yadda, so on, so forth…
So here’s the crux, the thing I held out of the conversation for the most part because quite frankly it’s not something I enjoy talking about. Suppose I’m simply incapable? It crossed my mind numerous times on this horrid little experience of exploring my apparent inadequacies so dubbed “Liadri.” I had the pinky, ring, and partial middle finger of my left hand crushed, the same hand the majority of us use for base movement and the activation of weapon skills, etc. despite multiple breaks, they were salvageable, and more or less look normal without close inspection, but only function at about 40% of their original capacity. Puts me at more than a bit of a disadvantage in instances where I have to turn, use skills, dodge roll, ect in very rapid succession for extended periods of time. Incidentally, I found I cannot perform particularly well in things like Sanctum Sprint either, for much the same reason. You can freely check the backlogs of my conversations here and find that I had zero qualms in that particular case however. You’ll find not a peep in my conversations regarding that. Why? Because Sanctum Sprint was not a flat-out requirement to gain the overall achievements and minis in that event. We were given ample other options to reach the same goal, and through no less work. That is not the case here. Liadri and her mini are a one-stop. I found my way around this of course, but should I have had to? Was it necessary to put me in a spot that I had no other choice but to suffer so and fail to overcome repeatedly over and over again? Furthermore be taunted and have it stuffed in my face both here and ingame? I think not.
So at the end of the day you can keep your, “you do not, or did not, have the skill to beat this content. That doesn’t make it broken. That makes you unskilled. End of” to yourselves. For the sake of both myself, those like me, and for those who simply don’t have the skill to succeed here. I feel for them, I do what I can to assist, but I for one would NOT be denied.
End of…
This will likely (hopefully) be my final post here. Unless of course you wish to press me further? I’m normally a happy and cheerful person by very nature. This entire issue, and Liadri herself, has been nothing but a disgusting exercise in human arrogance. I did not find her a challenge, I found her a daunting impossibility. I’d like to purge myself of it permanently. It’s poison for the soul, and frankly so is anyone who decides to continue wallowing in it.
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By that logic, any area of the game that has a reward is entrapment. Fractals to me would clearly be that. I can’t get an ascended zerker backpiece without doing that and I wouldn’t do them normally. This also applies to agony resist too.
That’s nobody’s fault but your own. It’s not like the difficulty wasn’t evident after a few tries.
I’m afraid you shouldn’t use such dramatic terminology when it comes to these things, considering the term is generally used concerning illegal activity. Yes, you can of course link to an online dictionary and show alternate definitions, but it’s clearly not the same thing.
Cut down on the melodrama, and your case will be heard more accordingly.
Isn’t it? If you believe otherwise, I could point you to countless threads of spiteful folks ranting on mapping requirements in World vs World. In those cases though I do to extent see Anet’s methodology. It’s a draw to that particular content, a lure, if you will. I do not by any means recall however getting any special loot for map completion of WvW beyond the usual rewards. There was no golden egg involved with that particular gander.
And yes, I’m well aware of the nature of the word. It was top of my mind vocabulary for a reason. It does however not only apply to the legal system. Anything suitably matching that criteria could be labeled thus. It just happens to be one of those “big scary” type of words.
As for how my case is heard, that’s entirely out of my hands. It’s utterly impossible to gloss and glitter a complaint to the point that it simply tickles the lobes of everyone’s ear. It’s a judgement from an individual, based upon an observation by an individual, that is subjective to that individual. Though one by no means unshared. I’m hardly alone in this, or was more rather. I got mine. Though not by the same means you did. In my case, it was through fair exchange. Through forged opportunity, salvaged from the ashes of personal failure. Mutual bonds forged, mutual gains assured. My rewards far exceed the mini alone.
Tomorrow I shall find me precisely where I was today. Sitting outside the Asuran dome of either my respective server or the overflow. Lending a hand that was not offered to me, through team-chat target assist and rezzing those less fortunate than myself. At least for a few hours. It’s the least I can do, having known that particular toil longer than most. I scoff at the audacity of your, “If you can’t meet those requirements, too bad.” … Six days… 240+ attempts.
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If you can’t meet those requirements, too bad.
Ah, if the the world followed those rules…
There’d be no hunger. Because those who couldn’t farm, hunt, garden, or otherwise feed themselves would starve.
There’d be no middle class. Because if you for any reason did not meet every possible requirement for a profession, you’d not qualify. You’d either be poor, or not.
There’d be no war. Because the strongest nation would hoard all known resources, and the rest would be labor to harness said resources.
Extreme? Maybe. That’s about what it sounds like from down here though. It’s broken content, plain and simple. The Liadri fight only, mind you. I’ve found the rest of it quite enjoyable, especially the other Gauntlet contestants.
Seriously guys, stop incriminating yourselves on the forums. If you’re going to go against the ToS, don’t air all right here.
It’s not even just the fact that these things are so hard to get, it’s also that they’re not able to be traded. The fellow I mentioned would have no problem just giving me his mini if able. That irks me more than anything else, the fact that many who have them probably don’t even want them, or care. When I’m struggling so hard, with movement disability in my left hand mind you, and am still denied. That could be perceived as whining yes, but the thought has crossed my mind more than once these last six days that I may very well just not even be capable. As much as that alone irritates.
There’s more than enough casual content everywhere you look in this game, really. Apart from fixing a few obvious issues with the Liadri encounter, this content should stay as is.
Say no to pampering!!
And the haves continue to taunt the have-nots…
I’ve come to the conclusion it’s down to the un-target-able orbs. I’d have had this ages ago without them, and 80% of my deaths are the direct result of them one way or another. The other 20% I chalk up to agitation errors.
Anet, fix the orbs or be rid of them… I love the fact that the red rings for Shadowfall are sensitive enough to catch your foot as you pass just out of their range and drop you for it, yet you can’t target or hit the orbs to quite literally save your life. Is it a size thing programming-wise?
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Thank you Anet. Would be nice if you start a QA department that actually test stuff for user experience…
Actually, the running hearsay is that they had a beta test event for this content, and 100 players were involved. Of those 100 beta testers, only 6 beat Liadri.
You’d think that would’ve been a tipoff, right?
You know what hard content is? What a true achievement would be? Every single time you die on any attempt through any tier, you go back to the first boss on the first tier.
Funniest part? I’d still be on Liadri lol. I only ever died once on Salazan, and only then because I was unaware that leaving the ring of fire would all but kill me the first time.
Been at the Asura dome in Ehmry Bay for about three hours now. Mostly rezzing others. Party invite Cassie Nireese Nova, right click for invite to instance. Just grabbing my daily free tickets as we speak.
Edit: double E in Nireese, sorry.
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“give the customers better options because this is stupid”
This mini I got from buying mini sets, then hoping to get rare pets to forge them
This one I got from completing the same pve events I normally do, but I had to use a certain buff.
This one I got from killing a mobs over and over and over.
Those same customers didn’t ask for “better options” while getting those minis. Sounds like they just want what’s easy.
Here boy! Here! Here’s a dog treat treat! Come get it!
… Oh no, you gotta dodge that Shadowfall first!
… Also, those clones of me are going to explode on contact. Might watch those.
… Did I mention there’s going to be orbs that spawn and rip you around the ring too? Usually right into the Shadowfall?… Slipped my mind.
Rofl.
On a serious note, if you watched me make an attempt on zerk-thief, you’d wonder how I hadn’t got it by now.
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I say, give easy mode and hard mode.
Easy mode: Liadri has 75% less HP, does 75% less damage, and does not have a cripple skill. No rifts spawn and once phase 2 starts, the aoe 1shot kills stop. Remove all 1 shot kills.
Hard mode: The way it is now.
Rewards for easy mode: both achievements and the miniature
Rewards for hard mode: botch achievements, the miniature and 10goldEDIT: oh, and people don’t spawn DEAD outside the dome on the catwalk. We spawn alive and well.
Translation:
“Give me a free mini.”
Swap the rewards and I’ll support it. Easymode and hardmode both get 10g, while hardmode only gives the mini.
The whole point of the mini is for the hardmode players to have some form of representation that they are indeed hardmode. There is currently no other means ingame (Sorry legendary users, I respect you but have no proof of skill).
Not true. Let’s be honest, how many times have you sent your minion to the bank? I’ve sent mine countless times when depositing all simply because you cannot lock them. On the other hand after completing the event I wouldn’t mind if they nerfed the content to make it easier because guess what? It doesn’t make my prize any worse than someone else. I would still know that I acquired my mini the HARD way and overall it did not make me look toward future content since I know the moment they add liandri 2.0 I’m deleting gw2.
It doesn’t matter /what/ it is, I worked for the prize I was given. If they suddenly made it much easier, I will be kitten ed regardless of what the reward was because now my reward was in vein. I could have waited and gotten it easier.
Lol, so in other words it’s an entitlement thing? Personally, I’ve tried 150+ times before achieving it and I would not feel cheated by the prize simply because personally I know I worked harder to get mine, and I don’t have to shove it in other people’s faces that I’m more ’’pro’’ than them.
Do you not know what an achievement is?
indeed an objective accomplished through either skill or perseverance. HOWEVER, they should just give the dang mini to people with 150-200+ tries,that’s some serious perseverance.
So you know what it is, you just don’t understand it.
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No, they shouldn’t just give it to people who try so many times. I could start up the fight then just afk and voila. No perseverance or anything.
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Entrapment? Seriously?
Dude, you can farm Deadeye and make ~25g in an hour depending on your class. If you can’t even do that, then it’s a matter of your skill. I’m not going to go all elitist on you, but Liadri is not that hard. It is all pattern, the same things happening at the same times (bugs/glitches not included) and just being one step ahead of it. I can even tell you step by step how the fight goes. Memorizing it is what helped me.
Let’s start here, what’s your class/build?
Do you have any other fully geared alts?
What else you want to call it? I collect minis. The description fits, as I’d not have done Gauntlet otherwise, and again as stated there is no other method of getting it. That’s entrapment, plain and simple.
And I’m not farming Deadeye… end of story. I don’t want to farm. I want(ed) that mini (post giving up cause I was monetarily broke).
You think I could go 237 times and not memorize the room? I could sub for Liadri at this point at the Asuran dome while she goes for nachos if I wanted to. I’m not doing anything wrong and it’s usually the orbs that killed me.
Mes. thief, ranger, and counldn’t get it done with any of them. Ranger especially… That is just ridiculous. Pet constantly dead? That’s 40%+ of my overall damage output that’s useless.
Spent about two hours so far tonight just standing by, merrily rezzing folks at the Asuran dome. The sheer amount of people who can’t complete this is HUGE. I for one am disheartened at the sight of constantly seeing things like “fml…” in chat. This is just sick, and sure I’m sad that my mini collection is now irrevocably incomplete but the huge weight of despair of inadequacy they’re still feeling is off of me.
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I say, give easy mode and hard mode.
Easy mode: Liadri has 75% less HP, does 75% less damage, and does not have a cripple skill. No rifts spawn and once phase 2 starts, the aoe 1shot kills stop. Remove all 1 shot kills.
Hard mode: The way it is now.
Rewards for easy mode: both achievements and the miniature
Rewards for hard mode: botch achievements, the miniature and 10goldEDIT: oh, and people don’t spawn DEAD outside the dome on the catwalk. We spawn alive and well.
Translation:
“Give me a free mini.”
Swap the rewards and I’ll support it. Easymode and hardmode both get 10g, while hardmode only gives the mini.
The whole point of the mini is for the hardmode players to have some form of representation that they are indeed hardmode. There is currently no other means ingame (Sorry legendary users, I respect you but have no proof of skill).
Not true. Let’s be honest, how many times have you sent your minion to the bank? I’ve sent mine countless times when depositing all simply because you cannot lock them. On the other hand after completing the event I wouldn’t mind if they nerfed the content to make it easier because guess what? It doesn’t make my prize any worse than someone else. I would still know that I acquired my mini the HARD way and overall it did not make me look toward future content since I know the moment they add liandri 2.0 I’m deleting gw2.
It doesn’t matter /what/ it is, I worked for the prize I was given. If they suddenly made it much easier, I will be kitten ed regardless of what the reward was because now my reward was in vein. I could have waited and gotten it easier.
Lol, so in other words it’s an entitlement thing? Personally, I’ve tried 150+ times before achieving it and I would not feel cheated by the prize simply because personally I know I worked harder to get mine, and I don’t have to shove it in other people’s faces that I’m more ’’pro’’ than them.
Do you not know what an achievement is?
indeed an objective accomplished through either skill or perseverance. HOWEVER, they should just give the dang mini to people with 150-200+ tries,that’s some serious perseverance.
So you know what it is, you just don’t understand it.
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No, they shouldn’t just give it to people who try so many times. I could start up the fight then just afk and voila. No perseverance or anything.
Do you know what entrapment is? It’s inducing a person commit an act that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to perform. Putting a mini at the end of Gauntlet did just that. I’d not have bothered for 237 attempts otherwise. Spending the 18.5 initial gold, plus the $10 actual money to sell the gems for even more tickets, repairs, waypoints fees, etc. All in all w’ere talking about around $20 USD after all is said and done in actual ingame gold equivalent expense. Again, as stated had it not been a mini, I’d not have bothered.
Am I saying that I therefore deserve that mini via expense alone? Not necessarily. But does it seem right to you that something to be acquired in a game should be THAT HARD to achieve? Further still be the only method of receiving said item? Even further still be part of a limited time event? If so, you’re in the same camp with a certain someone else earlier in this post. Whose comment to me has since been deleted but stated, “at the end of the day I got my mini and the people that suck don’t.”
Not the end of the world, no. Though I’m coping with the fact that my mini collection is now, and shall be, irrevocably incomplete.
Well, this is supposed to be an annual event, so I suppose it’s possible that Liadri will make a return next year. I guess we won’t know for sure until that time though.
Highly unlikely I’m putting myself through that again.
Not the end of the world, no. Though I’m coping with the fact that my mini collection is now, and shall be, irrevocably incomplete.
Guess we’re entitled then. At the end of the day I have the mini and people who suck dont.
And this pretty much sums up the attitude of those who want hard content. It’s not about the challenge. It’s not about the achievement. It’s about being able to tell other people that they suck. Congratulations. That’s definitely a great way to foster a community. /sarcasm
Do you see this, ANet devs? This is what happens when you insist on creating content that “isn’t meant for everyone”. The people who get left out are upset, and the people who the content was meant for get to sneer and jeer at them. Good going.
Meh… There are those than in life have yet to learn that it is entirely possible to commit no mistakes, to give everything one has, and still lose. That is not a weakness, it is a simple life fact. It’s a game I know, but it applies no less here than anywhere else. I gave it my all and held out for 237 attempts. Far more than most probably would have. If they’re obliged to feel that this somehow makes them a better person than I, then that’s their prerogative and their free right.
Just joined the club. I’ve got nothing left to give on day five, 237 attempts, and nothing to show for any of it.
I’m walking, while I still got boots on my feet.
Not everyone needs to be able to succeed at everything.
Not everything needs to be fair and balanced.
Oh no, by all means. Lets let a huge portion of the player-base feel like utter failures after losing almost everything they own trying their very best. Really draws ’em in, lemme tell ya.
Respect your opinion and all, but disagree. It would be totally different if you could still get the mini over a period of time, (cause I have zero qualms about grinding to get something I want or I’d not still be farming bones for Endless Quiver) but since the event is limited that’s not the case.
Get good and then maybe you’ll be able to win it. Stop being an entitled brat that expects everything handed to them on a plate. I can’t believe you put ‘skill’ on the same level as ‘grinding’.
And then there’s these people. ^
Yes, by all means, my being an utter failure explains everything doesn’t it? It explains away the five days of trying, coming out with only a single gold remaining. Nothing else to show for the missing time. No dailies, no nothing. I defer and bow to your superior skill, oh great beater of scary exploding clone ladies.
I will say at least my bank is much cleaner. I hawked most of its contents to pay for more tickets.
Your fault not mine.
You must be so popular…
Not everyone needs to be able to succeed at everything.
Not everything needs to be fair and balanced.
Oh no, by all means. Lets let a huge portion of the player-base feel like utter failures after losing almost everything they own trying their very best. Really draws ’em in, lemme tell ya.
Respect your opinion and all, but disagree. It would be totally different if you could still get the mini over a period of time, (cause I have zero qualms about grinding to get something I want or I’d not still be farming bones for Endless Quiver) but since the event is limited that’s not the case.
Get good and then maybe you’ll be able to win it. Stop being an entitled brat that expects everything handed to them on a plate. I can’t believe you put ‘skill’ on the same level as ‘grinding’.
And then there’s these people. ^
Yes, by all means, my being an utter failure explains everything doesn’t it? It explains away the five days of trying, coming out with only a single gold remaining. Nothing else to show for the missing time. No dailies, no nothing. I defer and bow to your superior skill, oh great beater of scary exploding clone ladies.
I will say at least my bank is much cleaner. I hawked most of its contents to pay for more tickets.
Maybe you should have stopped.
Oh I have. I’ve got nothing left to give, and nothing to show for any of it. Enjoy your mini.
I’ll go start something more my skill level. Maybe crafting.
I’ve got one thing to say to you all: shush.
Here’s a crazy idea: If you’re not good enough at the game to do something, don’t do it? Don’t kitten up the forums blaming it on lag, on your class (b-b-b-but warriors are overpowred xD! I did it on an engi far, far easier than a warrior), on bugs, on “unfair mechanics”, on anything like that, instead of your own kittening inability to do something. It is OKAY to be not good enough to do something that doesn’t give you vital rewards. I would understand if it locked you away from ascended or a legendary or something palpable, but it’s a kittening mini. You do not HAVE to be the best players ever, it’s deliberately designed to be CHALLENGING content and therefore almost by definition not completable by people who are not capable of doing it.
Entitlement here is through the roof. I’ve never seen anything like this, it’s disgusting.
I couldn’t care less for the challenge. I already stated it’s not about the gold, bragging rights, achievements, etc. Simply wanted the mini, that’s it. I collect them. Were it anything else I’d have no trouble walking away… if I even bothered in the first place.
So forgive me for being sad that my collection will now be irrevocably incomplete despite my best efforts, and do mean my best. Guess I should just uninstall and move beyond my obvious lack of ability eh?
Not everyone needs to be able to succeed at everything.
Not everything needs to be fair and balanced.
Oh no, by all means. Lets let a huge portion of the player-base feel like utter failures after losing almost everything they own trying their very best. Really draws ’em in, lemme tell ya.
Respect your opinion and all, but disagree. It would be totally different if you could still get the mini over a period of time, (cause I have zero qualms about grinding to get something I want or I’d not still be farming bones for Endless Quiver) but since the event is limited that’s not the case.
Get good and then maybe you’ll be able to win it. Stop being an entitled brat that expects everything handed to them on a plate. I can’t believe you put ‘skill’ on the same level as ‘grinding’.
And then there’s these people. ^
Yes, by all means, my being an utter failure explains everything doesn’t it? It explains away the five days of trying, coming out with only a single gold remaining. Nothing else to show for the missing time. No dailies, no nothing. I defer and bow to your superior skill, oh great beater of scary exploding clone ladies.
I will say at least my bank is much cleaner. I hawked most of its contents to pay for more tickets.
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Not everyone needs to be able to succeed at everything.
Not everything needs to be fair and balanced.
Oh no, by all means. Lets let a huge portion of the player-base feel like utter failures after losing almost everything they own trying their very best. Really draws ’em in, lemme tell ya.
Respect your opinion and all, but disagree. It would be totally different if you could still get the mini over a period of time, (cause I have zero qualms about grinding to get something I want or I’d not still be farming bones for Endless Quiver) but since the event is limited that’s not the case.
I have been incredibly harsh of Anet in the first year, but I believe things are improving at an incredible steady peace. Keep up the good work developers, for I had a lot of fun those days. And for those people that really want to beat Liadri and think it’s impossible, just try again, learn more and never surrender.
Glad you enjoyed yourself… But I left the “I can do this! I know I can!” optimism phase on day three-four, roughly between attempts number 130-180. It’s now day five, just finished attempt number 224 and I’m somewhere in the “wtf is wrong with me?” phase.
I say, give easy mode and hard mode.
Easy mode: Liadri has 75% less HP, does 75% less damage, and does not have a cripple skill. No rifts spawn and once phase 2 starts, the aoe 1shot kills stop. Remove all 1 shot kills.
Hard mode: The way it is now.
Rewards for easy mode: both achievements and the miniature
Rewards for hard mode: botch achievements, the miniature and 10goldEDIT: oh, and people don’t spawn DEAD outside the dome on the catwalk. We spawn alive and well.
Translation:
“Give me a free mini.”
Swap the rewards and I’ll support it. Easymode and hardmode both get 10g, while hardmode only gives the mini.
The whole point of the mini is for the hardmode players to have some form of representation that they are indeed hardmode. There is currently no other means ingame (Sorry legendary users, I respect you but have no proof of skill).
Not true. Let’s be honest, how many times have you sent your minion to the bank? I’ve sent mine countless times when depositing all simply because you cannot lock them. On the other hand after completing the event I wouldn’t mind if they nerfed the content to make it easier because guess what? It doesn’t make my prize any worse than someone else. I would still know that I acquired my mini the HARD way and overall it did not make me look toward future content since I know the moment they add liandri 2.0 I’m deleting gw2.
Know one thing is for sure. Regardless of whether or not I get this mini, I never want to see the pavilion again. Moreso if I fail. At that point, and indeed as of right now, it’s just a monument to my apparent inadequacy as a player. Queen Jennah, and her bizarre gravity defying dress, can stuff it…
I love this “then don’t do it” counter-argument. It’s baseless and invalid. People, especially the compulsive mini collectors like me, are going to do it.
Everything I’ve Lost Fighting Liadri:
1: TIME!!! First and foremost. It has been four days now since I first reached her match, without dying on anyone else but Salazan mind you. Him only once because I was not aware leaving the flaming circle was an insta-drop. Anyway, Yeah, four days of doing Liadri, and almost nothing but Liadri.
2: About 18.5 gold overall, just baseline. On tickets, repairs, waypoints, armor/weapons for new build trials, etc.
3: MY sanity. Goes without saying. I haven’t done anything else but lose continuously without gain for four straight days. I have NEVER screamed at a game until now.
4: As of today, $10 actual money buying gems to, guess what… buy more tickets…
5: My account? You read that right, such was my utter despair that at one point I honestly considered loaning my account to a friend for assistance. I’ve known the guy via my guild, which I’ve been a part of for several years, but have never physically met him. The thought of him possibly stealing my account terrified me, but in comparison with the anguish of inadequacy and a prize that’s literally being dangled just out of reach, my fear is honestly the lesser of the two evils.
All for a mini that is just ever so precariously placed out of my grasp. Personally, I think you should automatically get the thing if you put in over 100 attempts, just as consolation. In which case I’d now have two of them. Or at the very least make them trade-able, but not sell-able. It infuriates me to no end that so many likely have them, and either don’t want them, don’t care, or both. When I want one and can’t even have one due to my lack of adequacy in a fight that’s largely determined by luck (which doesn’t even make sense unto itself).
So yes, roll with that whole “so just don’t do it” argument if you find it suiting. It would be a complete non-issue if it was not a mini waiting at that goal line. If it was an achievement, gold, a title, or what-have-you I’d have no trouble at all just not bothering. Good Lord how I wish it were so. I wouldn’t be breaking out in a rash I’m pretty sure is stress related right now. Shall I count my health as #6?
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I’ve now spent $10 for gems to buy more tickets….
You know can farm champs for tickets, right?
Yup. Just suck so bad I’m blowing through them at an unprecedented rate.
I’ve not given up…
I can’t…
It’s a mini…
My aforementioned friend is out of town for the weekend…
I’ve now spent $10 for gems to buy more tickets…
Which I’m sure anyone from Anet would consider some sort of validation on their end for doing what they did…
If there’s a hell specifically made for me, it probably looks something like the POV of the Asuran dome…
Don’t take this as another, “omg I’m so leet and ur not” posts, but if you knew the fight inside and out then you’d beat it.
There has to be some little thing that you could improve on, whether it be improving your movement (circling as CLOSE to the center of the room as possible, not along the outside like I’ve seen a lot of people saying.) getting your phase 1 down to a science (should be able to get the first 3 shades into the first 3 pools and land each orb, every time, because it’s the exact same pattern every time) or simply changing your damage method (condition damage is absolutely broken on her, if that’s an option for you)
Yup. The floor of my fave dome is completely down to memory up to, but not beyond, the fourth swirling portal appearing. I usually get her moving by the third, but I just die if I for some reason miss the fourth. There’s no point trying after that. I wouldn’t have the damage output to succeed within the time allotted. On the flip side, going any less tank and more damage and she rips me apart before phase 2 can even start. How some people are pulling this off with zerker gear is completely beyond my understanding or skill.
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If you got her to 10% you will take her down eventually. You still have a little over 2 weeks to achieve this.
I will not last two weeks. Even if my sanity could hold out, I’ve got 2g 31s left. That’s after hawking all my ectos and anything else circumstance has opted me to sell to stay in the match. I’m drowning here.
In all seriousness, if there are any questions that people have about the Liadri fight, or any specific things that people want help with, just ask. There have been numerous helpful posts on this board about the fight.
I mean, if it’s getting to you so badly that you’re posting things like the guy above me, then certainly you must have some questions, or would benefit from some sort of guidance.
You misunderstand. I know the fight in and out. I’ve gotten as close as dropping her to 10% HP, just to be ripped across the arena by a cosmic orb right underneath Shadowfall. It’s TOO BLOODY HARD. As if the fight itself was not bad enough, the orbs add that little touch of random circumstance that make or break a match to the point of outright luck being a deciding factor in whether or not you fail or succeed.
It would be a complete non-issue if it was not a mini waiting at that goal line. If it was an achievement, gold, a title, or what-have-you I’d have no trouble at all just not bothering. Good Lord how I wish it were so. I wouldn’t be breaking out in a rash I’m pretty sure is stress related right now.
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Giving up on it. I wasted over 35g on gear just to even get ‘close’ to having a chance at beating Liadri. It’s frustrating because the reward for beating her is a mini, and as someone who’s collected every single mini to date, this is where it comes to an end.
Hopefully your torment is at an end then… I can’t quit, despite that this is literally driving me mad. At this point I’m willing to lend a friend my account if he can do it for me, just to make the pain stop… I’ve known the guy via my guild, which I’ve been a part of for several years, but have never physically met him. The thought of him possibly stealing my account terrifies me, but in comparison with the anguish of inadequacy and a prize that’s literally being dangled just out of reach, my fear is the lesser of the two evils.
Anet, if I lose my account… Know that I was driven to this. Having the mini after Liadri and not instead swapping it in place of the 2 gold reward for Gauntlet completion was a mistake.
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164 tries in now. All in all I’ve dropped about 14 gold trying to beat her. As far as I’m concerned, I have bought that mini. I literally have done nothing else for days but fight her. No dailies, no WvW (my usual home), nothing.
To make matters worse, is it me or did they boost her Grasp damage? I actually got killed by it for the first time today. It got me before my heal could cooldown. I was all, “Really?” in between watching my health drop and the timer to refill tick.
The running rumor is that of 100 pre-event beta testers, only 6 completed Gauntlet. As if that shouldn’t have been a huge red flag enough, someone got the bright idea to have her give a mini after being defeated. So that all the mini collectors like me could be driven completely batkitten insane. I have NEVER screamed at a video game prior to this event.
Edit: More salt in the wound? My friend and rival not only beat her, but completed the 8 orbs as well.
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well… back to pavilion
Already there. Wanna get together later? We can spot-rez one another while working on Guantlet acheives.
1945
US: Hey Japan! Why you have to be cowards hiding in caves bro? Come out and fight like men!Japan: Hey US, why you have to zerg around all day and use field siege like Hello Kitty comfort girls? GvG 1000 on 1000 with swords to show who really has skillz!
Not gonna lie, I lol’ed.
I’d say have fun this week BP, but it looks like you guys are gonna be bored as kitten.
Liadri and I are gonna be seeing a lot of each other this week I think.
I want those 8 crystals.
Meanwhile, Borliss is going to be bored as kitten this week. Rofl!
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I will say this however, skilled roamers are our own worst enemies in these situations. When a group of 5-10 people push out against half their numbers and get wiped over and over again, the natural evolution will be something like the attached image.
this is a proud group of 10+ bp “defending” their keep from 3-6 roamers with 2 cannons 2 arrow carts and 1 ballista over the course of an hour.
I want to call them cowards, I want to call them kitten tower huggers. Yet, after many failed attempts at leaving the tower and pretty much any person who stepped foot over the edge of that bridge died, siege or no.
Perhaps, they are simply very very wise players for using this play style
Don’t encourage them lol!
Must… fill… badge quota… DX
all 4’11" of me. Rofl.
I feel six feet tall!
It reminds me of when I was 4-6 years old, and wanted a cookie from the cubbard, which was higher than the countertop. So I had to build crazy elaborate steps using the kitchen chairs, phone books, etc. And pull the heist off and have everything returned in the time it took my folks to return from whatever it was that was distracting them at the time.
The moral here? Maybe we need to trade in our siege prints for really HUGE chair prints to scale those walls.
just confirming that there are groups on Ehmry who just roam and fight. I could personally care less about most of the objectives.
It sure seems like the server that is losing says this a lot…
The server that couldn’t care less too. I don’t speak for eveyone, but I personally would love to drop a rung or two on the ladder, lol. I don’t want your towers, that’s more work for me because then I’m obligated to sit and watch it. It’s about the bags! It’s about looking up on those walls and seeing loot standing there I can’t reach with all 4’11" of me. Rofl.
Be nice!
Did it ever occur to you that maybe Zara legitimately wants to l2p?
Such a nub commander after all :P
J/k ♥ you Evil Twin!
Eh… Zara hasn’t failed to humble me in a match so far. Though I feel I did far better this last time than the first. I attribute this to two factors. One, despite the pet dmg nerf Menorah’s condi/beast build is still pretty viable. Secondly, I wasn’t drunk and a nub this time. =P
Still one of the best rangers I’ve encountered.
Getting a little better. I’m actually not dying instantly in phase 2 anymore. Count now is at 143 attempts though. Still hilarious to me because I beat everyone else pretty much without a hitch, or even a build swap. The fire one got me only once because I didn’t realize leaving the flaming circle would insta-drop me.
I’m in [CHAR].
Ah. I’ll just dump my expectations in the toilet then.
-Clears the bathroom with high sweeps of air freshener.-
Better. =3
You mean our [CHAR]?
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I found out what he’s so angry about, the same happened to us. I replied to your matchup thread on the BP forums so you can speak your mind and we can dispel this wild accusation of yours, Aeros.
By all means enlighten us as to the cause? Expecting something monumentally profound here.
You’d be dissappointed. As I stated, check the BP forums match up thread.
I’d rather not. Maybe I’m the one taking it too serious now, but I’d rather avoid such things during a match. I highly doubt you guys simply spew juicy intel on your forums or anything, but still lol. Well, unless there was anything there directly referencing me somewhere. Then my curiosity might just overcome.
I found out what he’s so angry about, the same happened to us. I replied to your matchup thread on the BP forums so you can speak your mind and we can dispel this wild accusation of yours, Aeros.
By all means enlighten us as to the cause? Expecting something monumentally profound here.
Aeros reminds me of this.
What did that remote control ever do to anyone? D=
Interesting… Didn’t think I had to guard Bay’s Watergate of all things.
(Screenshots both have different times.)
He looks rather frightened. Maybe he just wants let out?
Many people do not want to fight 1 vs 1, if you can’t accept it then that’s entirely your problem. Calling it “idiotic” does not get you any more duels. Your way of defining the Game is not everyone’s, actually the roamers looking for 1 vs 1 are a minority in WvW. Go to a fight club maybe? But you have to stick to certain rules there, oh my…
We never implied it would get us any more duels. We’re simply expressing an opinion of our enemies’ cowardice. XD
Oh oh! You know what’s the best?
When you catch some Legend or Bronze alone in the open field. My first thought is usually, “oh, it’s a big’un! This might be fun!” So I go running over there and then one of two things happens. Either they’re legit and I end up an utterly smoked and thoroughly staked corpse (usually after an intense throwdown), or they straight flee screaming and flailing all the way back to their tower/NPC’s/zergs.
Apparently, high rank a good fighter does not always make.
Also, and not in any way related to the previous topic. Would the esteemed Choco or any other of our myriad of amazing mes players be willing to show me some of the good hidey holes around WvW? My next project is my mezzums. =3
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I stopped counting my attempts to beat Liadri after they began to run into the triple digits. I’ve easily spent over 12 gold in these attempts. I have not set foot in WvW (my usual home) for three days now… I… can’t… stop… If it were just a title, achievement, or gold at the end of that finish line I could walk away and not have a care… but it’s not.
It’s a mini…
I… MUST… HAVE… IT…
I’m down to my last 1g 21s, and will continue trying until I can monetarily no longer do so.
This is not fun anymore, and wish I could stop.
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