Guild Wars 2

Erasculio.2914:

Sting.6879:

What does a Thief have?

GW2 has thieves because the “rogue” archetype is common in MMORPGs and ArenaNet wanted to cater to players who enjoy it. But the “rogue” archetype is the ganker – the player who jumps from stealth and does burst damage to quickly kill a character who was just moving around, typically in non consensual PvP, and then runs away as fast as possible. This concept does not lend itself to PvE very well – just take a look at the massive failure that was the same archetype in the original Guild Wars, as the Assassins.

Thieves are suited the most for WvW, and a bit for sPvP. For PvE, the archetype is simply not valuable. Which means, dungeon groups will never seek thieves unless ArenaNet gives the profession something completely apart from its main archetype.

Assassins were awesome in GW1. They did get hit hard with all the nerfs though lol.

Conncept.7638:

Solo.9027:

Vol.5241:

It’s a gold sink.

Only if you’re bad.

Or have less people on the map, or less gold to buy siege and upgrades in the first place.

Outmanned = No Armor damage, thus no repairs needed on death. Also, I don’t get what all the complaining is about, the most I’ve ever had to pay is like 10s for repairs and that’s after like a few days of WvW with no repairs.

Honestly, it’s so much better than the launcher we currently have, if it’s because you think it can’t fit the info, there’s a LOT of room near the log in panel to put it in.

Saelune.5316:

Kaizer.7135:

2-Handed Katana for Thieves.

Thieves are thieves, not assassins or ninjas… or samurai if I want to get more technical.

I never knew Thieves could shadowstep or go invisible. Hell, the only ability that resembles a Thief that we’ve got is steal, and that’s a shadowstep.

Thieves are closer to assassins in GW1 than any Thief I know.

2-Handed Katana for Thieves.

It’s “Stealth” not “Sleath” lol

Upload a clip? I’ve never seen this before I’d like to see what happens. If it’s as often as you make it out to be it shouldn’t be a prob to catch it on vid.

Weird bug though, only thing I can think of is if you have an on crit sigil (fire or air) that procs when you C&D and gives revealed. Heard they kittened that up.

kokiman.2364:

Padapwn.5924:

Reason for Gw1 was so fun was how many different builds you could run and the fact that you had access to THE SAME STATS across the board.

But this is a flat out lie. Why do GW1 “fans” keep on lying about their game? There were armors with lots of + energy, with lots of + health, lots of armor vs xx. You even had skills that got stronger by maxing out PvE titles.

You could buy insignias and runes, so all the armor in the game could mirror stats from another armor, the only difference was the looks.

This is why I barely change builds, new equipment is expensive MANG!!!

Amun Ra.6435:

Archon.6481:

Amun Ra.6435:

Zacchary.6183:

Ensign.2189:

Mesmer / Engineer / Necromancer are the best in the competent bracket, depending on what you’re trying to accomplish.

Very good Thieves dominate the total kitten bracket.

Fixed it for you.

You kidding? Was in WvW the other night…the thief didn’t need to busrt from stealth mind you…so here is what happened…

Was trying to get to the zerg for my daily kills…theif popped from stealth in front of me and just spammed that stupid easy flipping like a monkey skill and hit me for 7k/6k/4k then dodged and got hit for another 3k….all in a matter of 2 or 3 seconds.
How does that make a thief….“very good”?

Either wearing armor when you go into combat, or not exaggerating damage will help.

My list:
Thief
Mesmer
Ranger
Ele
Guardian
Engie
Necro
Warrior

Just noticed your tag…can deny all you want but there is no skill involved in pressing a single key over and over and over and over and….well….

Only bad thieves spam HS, I’m assuming that’s what you’re talking about. And only bad players get killed by them.

Just curious, I mainly do WvW & PvP, I currently have 4922 points. Going after the 5000 for that 15g hehe

I did this, I wanted the sword and got the GS instead. 100% sure I chose the sword, I’d never make such a mistake. Ever.

Mesmer 1st, they can dish a LOT of damage if you don’t focus on them and let them summon all their phantasms/illusions. Next will be Ele, because they’re LA, 1 BS would take half if not more than their HP (since they’re upleveled). War will be easy, spam blinds→dead war.

If they weren’t uplevel’d, I’d avoid that fight lol. Even if they were solo, I’d only engage if I can get the jump on them (except warrior, easy targets), D/D eles can heal a lot and repetitively within short intervals. But all in all, they could be running any build, every encounter wont be the same.

I thought it was obvious, they designed it that way. The particle effects also kick in whilst wielded so it makes it look like they’re kinda held together by magic thus making it able to expand a lot more.

DrixTrix.7168:

i think it cant be dyed because of the particle effects, no other particle effects can be dyed in the game, not yet.

lazy? they have just released 3 armor sets with versions for all races (helms etc differ slightly) in both male and female versions, as well as new weapons skins every month, with 2 last month however un-obtainable as of yet from the aether blades.

how can you begin to think that’s lazy?

on a side note there are so many particle effects that the skins are pretty much that one big particle effect, the theme also (rocks on fire i think) and an angelic theme well…can go wrong with the same skins.

different types of skins for male/female and races would of course of been preferable but they are not lazy, not in a long shot there has been more content added in the last 3/4months than any other MMO out there (excluding expansions ofc)

-Looks at entire Charr armor gallery-

Yeah, I’d say Anet is REALLY lazy when it comes to armor.

You think PvE players got it bad? You should see the sPvP players that have got barely 2500 AP.

Why is it always the PvE players complaining?

You’re right, for ALL of those HoM points we got it should be well worth more than 500 AP. Wanna stay competitive? Then buy GW1, you don’t see new comers complaining about leaderboards because they’ll NEVER catch up.

Mephane.8496:

Berelious.3290:

How does one forfeit the other? They set it up in tiers. All you have to do is earn more points and you get to the next tier, and possibly unlock more weapon skins then. I’m not seeing the issue, since you’re constantly earning points and can eventually unlock everything.

I don’t get it. Because you don’t mind (or want the armor skins anyway), I am not supposed to be bothered, either? Read the forums, I am not the only one who does not want these armor pieces at all. If there were a choice between another weapon skin and an piece of armor skin, everyone would be happy, this includes you. So why exactly are you against this proposal?

Either way you’re gonna get them both for free, so why the heck are you complaining?

If you’re about WvW, D/D Eles are easy if you get the jump on em with a backstab + basilisk. You can take out 2/3 of their hp then just HS or w/e to take the rest down.

In sPvP it’s harder, cos burst is toned down. But as yall have said, S/D No.3 works for me

LeGi.3921:

there is a thread for that: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/sPvP-Class-Tier-List-Updated-6-30/page/14

Thank you, how do I close the thread?

Twilight Armor, T1 Heavy and T3 Medium are the only Sylvari themed armors I like. Verdant weapons looked pretty cool, I used dual Verdant dags when I first started GW2 and loved em so much I kept them until I got dual Corrupted Shards.

Anyway, if Anet do add in ANY extra armor and weapons I hope they’re obtainable in-game without using gems (like the achievement pt armor and weps they’re releasing soon).

Anyone got a vague idea of what it might be? I’m guessing Mes, Ele and Guard are top tier.

randomfightfan.4091:

Bacon Please.8407:

Full glassacannon I can hit maybe 5-6k on another glass cannon with C+d.

So it is fair to assume he can hit a 20K+ Back stab?

Fact is Eviscerate is warriors go to skill for damage on axe, it is the damage.

For daggers It is back stab but this guy managed to nearly top my highest backstab with Cloak and dagger.

This isn’t a flame thread, I asked for an explination

I hit a 15k and a 20k backstab today. It wasn’t hard. The only hard thing was surviving more than 3s with the build as you have 0 survivability, 0 escapes, and 0 utility. A zerker warrior wanted to see how much damage I could take with that build. 2 gs auto attacks dropped me low enough to proc last refuge from full hp. He didn’t even get to land the 3rd, more powerful auto attack.

The trick is 3 signets (one being assassin obv), the might on signet trait, and the new shadow trap. Gives 25 stacks of might and fury. 25-30 build with scholar runes. I wasn’t even using the right sigils on my weapons. I had a bloodlust sigil with 0 stacks and a quickness sigil that didn’t proc. No food present either. I hit 15k from full hp, no conditions, 20k half hp with poison or something. Both times the target had 0 vuln. Just imagine if you had a group that stacked the might for you, allowing for some real utilities so you can survive as well as do damage.

Shadow Trap does that? Holy kitten.

Yeah it’s pretty annoying, that’s why I never stack up in WvW unless I solo roam. Since if I try contribute to a group I melt in AoE’s. It’s really helpful in PvE though, since PvE is just trash mobs and such.

Though if you ask me, downed is a stupid mechanic to have in PvP.

…change the Canthan District to The Great Collapse? was there more to it than just “angry Koreans and Chinese people”?

Because, the district looked beautiful, I a kittening love Cantha and would’ve loved to just have a taste of it again.

Geiir.7603:

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My ideas for fixing stealth would be this:

• Have revealed applied wether we attack from stealth or not
  …
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No, no, no. Here we have crappy connection to GW2 servers, so when I play my thief and go for a backstab I will miss ALOT of the time when I’m literally standing right behind them. Of course I get lag on every class, but with a thief, it can lower your effectiveness immensely.

Because they’d rather make boring living story stuff instead of those areas

BobbyT.7192:

I don’t get it

Neither do I, is that good or bad?

Conncept.7638:

MightyMicah.7451:

Conncept.7638:

Einlanzer.1627:

Nah it’s mostly l2p. Any Thief that can kill you really easily can also go down really easily as most Thieves in WvW run full zerker with the game’s lowest health and bad defense. Just learn how to counter them, which isn’t that hard.

I don’t understand how people can say this when thieves can have 2 evasion skills and 2 dodges whenever they come out of stealth. Unless you’ve loaded up on undodgeable skills (laughable, there are barely any to speak of), they are always going to evade enough damage to get back in to stealth relatively unharmed. And there is nothing you can do from there except wait to do the exact same thing again, and watch them stealth away again. It’s a vicious cycle which completely destroys all counterplay, not to mention fun.

It’s funny because a lot of people (myself included) are apparently able to kill thieves. I’ve never even played a theif before and I’m not sure I ever will. However, I watched a few YouTube videos, learned their technique, and wa-la! I can kill thieves now relatively easily. Why is it that you can’t?

Learn to read, I never said I lose, but the majority of the time it goes exactly as I said above. I manage to avoid the burst and deal enough to push the thief back in to stealth, I go do my thing until he tries again, then I avoid his damage and push him back in to stealth again; and that cycle continues until some third variable enters the equation. And it goes the same for you too no matter how much you want to pretend you’re a BA.

Duel me

Fletch.3572:

This is why I only log in for the LA skin of the month, the aesthetic of the game is just going completely away from my tastes. Need some more elegant/ornamental/slick stuff added(like the new rapier and pistol) for me to get interested or excited again.

That stuff just looks dumb to me, but to each their own of course.

Yeah, I don’t like the look of em either. Hopefully the armor pieces look better.

I’ve played this game for 964 hours over the past 9 months, and have honestly only gotten 1 exotic drop throughout the entire time. This excludes map completion rewards by the way.

So, have I just got REALLY bad luck or something? How many Exotics have you guys gotten as drops and how many hours have you played?

Doesn’t matter if it’s temporary or permanent, what matters is if it is fun and rewarding. That’s what is gonna keep players around playing the game.

Zacchary.6183:

Kaizer.7135:

TheKillerAngel.3596:

Zacchary.6183:

wolfshirt.8459:

lmao. no way, dude.

Use stealth-heal at full HP. Press Dagger 1 on someone.

Then heal again if youre going to die.

If you really believe its that simple then maybe you should try that on WvW.

A thief who opens with Hide in Shadows is a terribad thief.

Depends, if the target is alone and unaware of your presence, you can use Hide in Shadows to get closer and burst him down.

Healing @ full health = stupid. It doesn’t matter who you are.

By the time you kill that guy and find someone else the skill would be recharged, and you don’t open up with it for the healing, but for the stealth. Even a complete kitten could see that.

I think this is the Dredge and Flame Legion living story thing, are we still able to replay that or is all the content for it gone and the story wrapped up?

TheKillerAngel.3596:

Zacchary.6183:

wolfshirt.8459:

lmao. no way, dude.

Use stealth-heal at full HP. Press Dagger 1 on someone.

Then heal again if youre going to die.

If you really believe its that simple then maybe you should try that on WvW.

A thief who opens with Hide in Shadows is a terribad thief.

Depends, if the target is alone and unaware of your presence, you can use Hide in Shadows to get closer and burst him down.

Korrigan.4837:

CrossedHorse.4261:

Korrigan.4837:

Thief, just like Rogue in “WoW” or other theme park games, is the coward’s favorite class.

Cowardly, or simply resourceful? :p

Honestly, if the Thief had more health and toughness I’d agree with you. But the Thief is pretty squishy. If the Warrior could stealth? Sure. Game-breaking. However, not so much the Thief.

Only as resourceful as the available skills permit.
Farerolling the stealth button as soon as you’re about to die is not even remotely “skillful”.

You make it sound like stealth makes you invincible, if you can’t kill a thief then take CC’s and shut them down. You sound like you get owned by thieves all the time.

Fortus.6175:

my problem with PvP is that ther eis no gear progression and you cant show up your gear as a way of “skills” or “time spent”. Nobody even cares about gear there, there is nothing to brag about, and nothing that can tell you you are “progressing”. On top of that you have to decide if your wings are PvE or PvP. PvE where most of the action happens, or PvP where people go to test the different builds since doing it on the actual PvE is near impossible due to money and time gated issues, also fastest way for the daily.

Rank and Titles, if you’re talking about gear in terms of appearance progression then yeah, that kinda doesn’t exist since you can get all the dungeon gear in PvP with tourney tokens and other stuff.

Dagraan.2854:

its not the flame blast its the aoe damage it does, it happens when you stealth and the aoe or other attack with hit shortly after, does it with the stealth on steal, and doing damage and poisoning at the same time.

happens every now and then with attacking sigils, nothing you can do about but deal with it.

No, this never use to happen. Anet either bugged it or now it’s working as intended (oh god I hope not)

Logged in with Lvl80 Thief, Kessex Hills.

Boring, the combat is just so boring in this game now that I’ve been playing Fighting Games and Action RPG’s. The most fun I had whilst I was playing, was just looking at the floating castle in Kessex Hills, wondering what’s inside it.

darkace.8925:

Katai.6240:

God. I feel like like if they put the armor in an NPC shop for 50 gold, people wouldn’t be complaining like they do now, even though buying with gems is 50% cheaper with the gold-to-gem conversion.

They could give them away for free and people would still find something to complain about.

Did people complain about the Dragon Back pieces? (Serious question)

DoctorOverlord.8620:

MicroCuts.9510:

Raids!? oh no ….

please no item progression

Raiding doesn’t have to be about item progression when a game isn’t worried about needless timesinks to keep players paying sub fees. The B2P model opens up new possibilities.

Imagine the idea of designing raiding content whose main goal is to be fun for a large group of people, rather than having a main goal of throttling progression and limiting access to items. The article talking about them putting a GW2 touch on raiding, I am interested to see what they do.

Lol……fun lol

Sharpoon.8197:

Anet deems the oceanic community as a minority not in need of it’s own servers. It’s not really a problem though since gw2 isn’t as ping based as gw1 was so you can get by with 200-400 ping.

Not really, in PvP having instant response is a huge advantage.

I ask now, are they justified? :o

When will there be one?

pullnointer.1476:

Gotejjeken.1267:

There are probably far better ‘OP combination’ examples of why swap cooldowns exist, however you get the general idea. That is, there are most likely a lot of balance issues solved by having it there.

“probably” and “most likely” doesn’t cut it when it comes to balance

Theyre not going to remove it no matter how much you complain, if you cant see the kitten that would happen if they removed weapon cooldowns then you must be playing 1 class.

Happens sometimes when you Chat Link their item code thing, can find them here:

http://www.gw2db.com/items/56205-frostfang

Zoldyck.6241:

I don’t /laugh after killing someone. It is plain rude and immature.

Hereee we go. rolls eyes it’s a game mate.

Glass cannon gets killed by glass cannon okay.

Scoobaniec.9561:

Daecollo.9578:

Stability Stomping…

Is it fair?

A thief teleport against stomping person, then invis to again prevent stomping.

Is it fair?

Thief teleport can easily be countered with another teleport, I do it on my Mes, Thief and Guardian ALL the time. If that doesn’t work, just hit them, since thieves are squishy you can kill them in no time.

pricer.5091:

The real question is why is there a downed mechanic at all? I killed you, you’re dead. Go respawn already and stop hiding behind your friends.

I agree with this, I think it should belong in PVE only. Having to kill the same person twice is annoying and near impossible if they have a friend with them (unless they REALLY suck). Also makes zergs near invincible.