When someone comes along and says there’s no excuse for a game not to have a dungeon finder, when in fact, very few games have launched with a dungeon finder to date, it implies that somehow this game is different from others that came before it. The implication is that this game lacks something others had included. In this case, this isn’t the case.
And I’m happy to leave up my post about anecdotal, since I happen to be right about it. If I experience something and relate the experience, that is in fact direct knowledge. In history courses, when you interview someone who was there, and record the results, that’s direct knowlege. It’s when you talk to someone who talked to someone that it becomes anecdotal.
When you write your thesis, I’m sure they’ll explain it to you.
But you know, reading about stuff isn’t the same as experiencing it. I’m glad you’re reading at least, but you shouldn’t dismiss people that have had years of experience in a genre, based on stuff you’ve read.
Whether you run GW2 as a window or not, finding parties should never been a speed challenge where if u are Milliseconds too late, you won’t get into a PUG for 30 minutes.
I applaud you for not editing your posts in order to hide your lack of understanding of the concept of “anecdotal” from another person’s perspective (I.e not you).
And to years of experience etc, why should that even matter? Even if I was a veteran WOW player, WOW problems are WOW problems. I am sure people came to GW2 because of dissatisfaction with some aspect of the game (maybe the implementation of dungeon finder in WOW) or they simply got sick of that game after eight years.
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So if this is the first MMO you’ve played, and you’re making comments about what’s commonly in other MMOs, you’re basically making it all up…got it.
As for first hand experience and anecdotal experience, they’re different. No one told me Rift didn’t have a dungeon finder at launch. I played Rift at launch and saw for myself that they didn’t have one. There’s nothing anecdotal about that at all, nor about the number of people protesting it.
I could add that every time dungeon finder is brought up on any forum, including Guild Wars 2 guru, there’s always a huge argument about it. You don’t have to take my word about it, just take a look at other forums.
I know I have.
No I am basing what I know off what I read in the upcoming future and since no other notable MMORPG with dungeons launched in 2012 I have had no basis for comparison for 2012. But if you are referring to GW2 forums, I am quite sure more people want dungeon finder than people who vehemently oppose them.
To you it is not anecdotal, to the rest of the world it is. No disrespect to you, I am not sure you understand what the word means.
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Spvp sub-forum: why is this game so pve centric? dev are neglecting the pvp aspect of the game, kitten this game i quit
WvW sub-foum: why is this game so pve-centric? plenty of pve updates and events, where’s the love for wvw? this game sucks
PvE sub-forum: devs are neglecting pve.
If all three sub-sections are saying the above-mentioned at the same time, you know you have a problem. And WvWers are far more likely to do PvE as well.
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A load of opposition from the same ppl you mean. You only quoted one game and the discussion from another game. How applicable is that?
Neverwinter seems to have dungeon finders on beta from their gameplay videos. I mean if the next few MMOs with dungeons do have dungeon finders, this totally invalidates your claims.
As of now, I can’t think of ten existing MMOs that had dungeon finders at launch. Maybe in the future, games will have them at launch, but since that game isn’t out yet, it invalidates what you’re saying.
Name three AAA MMOs that launched with dungeon finders. I doubt you can get even two, but let’s say three. Then we’ll see who is and who isn’t invalidated.
I wouldnt know about prior MMOs simply because GW2 is the 1st MMO I played. As for “AAA” MMOs, time will decide that and not based on some individual’s opinion
Rift had dungeons and no dungeon finder. I played Rift and there was a HUGE battle on the forums, and I mean huge, between people who wanted it and people who didn’t. Anyone on those forums back then would remember it, because it was so hostile on both sides.
You act like everyone in the world is in favor of dungeon finders, but there’s a load of opposition to them as well…particularly cross server ones.
That shouldn’t be a problem in Guild Wars 2, but I’m just saying, most games with dungeons don’t launch with dungeon finders, even today.
A load of opposition from the same ppl you mean. You only quoted one game and the discussion from another game. How applicable is that?
Neverwinter seems to have dungeon finders on beta from their gameplay videos. I mean if the next few MMOs with dungeons do have dungeon finders, this totally invalidates your claims.
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You act as if most games have a dungeon finder in place at launch. Most don’t. And I’ve yet to see a game that had something as efficient as gw2lfg.com whether you want to use it or not.
Using it, I’ve seldom waited more than five minutes to fill out a dungeon party. If you choose not to use it, that’s your own look out.
Define seldom. And it is possible to wait 30 min for a 6 min dungeon because by the time you Alt-tabbed back to the game to join a party, position has already been filled and this will occur frequently. People’s standards of efficiency may vary though.
As for “most” games not releasing with a dungeon finder, its probably because those games have no dungeons in the first place. I wonder if ESO and Neverwinter will come up Dungeon Finders on beta release.
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Seriously, this. I just made a ranger who’s really low leveled, and upon trying whirling defenses I can already tell this is an amazing skill to have on a secondary weapon set swap.
The worst thing is, I have never seen a ranger use this ability in PvE content. Not on lupi, not in fractals, literally never.
Sad
I have seen one use effectively at dredge fractal when opening the gate. The problem is that you are rooted and open for damage from AOEs not covered by your whirling defense in other cases.
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Any condition class really, you only need one. A good condition necro can keep ~20 bleeds on a target, epidemic in AoE fights, and the other party members will contribute a bleed here and there to keep mobs at 25.
Having 2 condition characters in a dungeon is like 4 manning it.
The second Necro can go power/ wells/ boon removal. It is surprisingly effective in some situations but DPS wise is 4 and 1/2 man.
I would also not be able to stomach a 2 Necro 2 Ranger in the same party. 2 Necro + 1 Ranger would be stretching my tolerance level.
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In all seriousness… it was the exact same in GW1. I don’t know what you expected but you obviously didn’t do your research. If you’re leaving a well-alive and thriving game because of that … sure feel free. I’m not sure TESO will give you what you wanted though.
In the end, it’s almost impossible to create an MMO without RNG. I’m happy it’s only for cosmetics, while stats can be farmed in a definitive non-RNG way. That’s a huge improvement over , well, every other game on the market I guess.
Hard to take you seriously with your sig, ever since Duke Nukem.
And no, certain stats cannot be farmed in a non-RNG specifically Cavalier’s Exotic Armor. I would agree to scaling rewards with skill but I wouldn’t feel as strongly as about it as OP but thats because of increased gold supply.
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Maybe yes and maybe no. In part for sure, they have bug trackers etc. I see some devs posting around, so some have the time to read some stuff. Others have nothing to really do with development, such as support teams etc.
Then most devs have little to no say apart from the few that do, and those filter up I’m sure. You have lead devs, investors and even lawyers and statisticians. They even often now put other games under the microscope to figure out how they lure players as well as shrinks to tell them what we really like. Fine oiled machine… lol
Is Anet a MNC or something? I dont think even NCSOFT is one.
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This nerf was on it’s way for a long time. Double attack speed is just plain broken. I play a great sword warrior, and I can tell you from firsthand experience that ANY Stun/Knockdown/Immobilization+Frenzy+Hundred Blades was flat out broken.
B-R-O-K-E-N
Which is why you saw so many terribad kitten zerker warriors in PvP. Frenzy made it viable, even if you had no clue what you were doing.
I can’t speak for other professions, though I hear that mesmers were even worse in this reguard.
(Edit. I seriously cannot believe they censored that.)
So the PVE ppl have to make way for the people who can’t beat who they consider to be bads because of skill OPness in PVP.
I would have tot pros would have figured out a way to counter bad players even if they were using an OP skill especially since skills are not spammable.
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Bunch of useless rings/ascended crafting materials/relics/pristine relics.
Working on my FOURTH glowing Fractal Capacitor. (Already got 3, so that is 1350*3+500*9=8550 fractal relic and 6*250=1500 ectos.)
3 months of fractal dailies, STILL HASN’T GOT THAT KITTEN FRACTAL SWORD.
Can we please change the daily bonus fractal weapon skin to token base now?
Also:
- Fractals do not award guild influence or count for Monthly Dungeon Participation despite being a dungeon.
- Entry to a Fractal level is determined on a per character basis and is not account based.
Commiserations, man. I was in similar spot with 0 weapons about 100 lvl 20+ fract runs , then 2 fract tridents after 30 more. Roughly 20 runs later while at the Maw, I was joking with my teammates: “Fractal daggers and swords for everyone” and whaddya know, fractal dagger. A fract sword followed a few days later.
So GL to all.
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Well lets look at what ppl have been asking for.
Ppl wanted a reason to do world bosses. So Anet adding in better drops from chest.
This caused them to become popular so we had lag.
So ppl wanted the lag to end. So Anet made small spaces for ppl to go to overflow making less lag.
Ppl did not want to go to overflow. So Anet pulled back on the rewards and make the events harder.
Now ppl want more rewards and the events to be easier (mainly Orr events).
So what do you think going to happen?
Point being this has happen over and over Anet dose listen they may listen too much they in the long run (about 2 months) DO changes the game off these forums. The funny thing is every time they do listen to the forums the forums get mad at them. If you ask any person of mind in this spot would they keep listening to the ppl causing the problems and making more problems with there ideals?
This is not the only time this has happen but its one of the most recent example. Alot of the progression is part of this a lot of class changes is part of this a lot of the lack of class changes is part of this a lot of the major events is part of this (guild events) adding in more type of coins to deal with RNG hate adding in more once a day rewards to deal with time consuming grind adding in fetch quest to give more of what ppl think will add depth. Its a truly never ending cycle and i must say is the biggest joke i have seen. To see ppl play out there parts so well but not seeing the big picture of what realty going on.
W.r.t. to rares dropping Anet did listen and made according changes to the issues it caused. Kudos to them for that and I wish they had the same focus with regards to class balance. IMO, they didnt do this out of wanting to please the player base and more of wanting to keep players playing.
I never made a single complaint about class balance, more specifically class tweaking until this patch – only minor issues and bugfixes that were carried out very slowly (re: Necro). (Btw, is the pick up consumable auto move bug fixed as well as the random hidden immobilize bug).
If Anet doesnt quantitatively view the number of complaints this patch generated and do something about it, I feel that it is doing itself and its playerbase a disservice.
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A simple dungeon finder, which has links into the guesting, which ties into server side lag (perhaps), etc, – simple idea which are “so obviously simple it should have been done” can have some pretty big relationships to other subsystems.
Hence my sarcasm – should be easy to implement my idea, they had days to do it and are developers, couldn’t take too many resources surely… not as much as fixing the legandary skins particle effect problems… :P
Apparently its within other companies’ capabilities since 2000.
Would be interesting if devs could tie in game currency into PHP.
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My particular gripe (not charging Karma to post here on the forums) was not addressed. I’m sure I’ve mentioned it at least twice and as noone responded I can only assume 100% support from the community for that initiative.
Why you no implement this week rarrr?
Nice suggestion but I don’t think Anet has the resources to do this, otherwise a “simple” dungeon finder would have been up ages ago.
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As I’ve said before, any time there’s a skill which everyone insists you take, or that you have to take, means that skill is OP.
Feedback, shield of the avenger, Wall of reflection, Tome of Courage, and the list goes on.
Mesmer logic at work here.
And to be clear, I dont think its a Major nerf as compared to rangers, but it is not an insignificant nerf for mesmers, more importantly wholly unnecessary for PVErs who can’t solo content.
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What do shatters have to do with anything? They are our class mechanic and serve multiple purposes. There are many builds that are centric on them, and almost all builds utilize them in some way. Even if you are running a phantasm build, if aoe is about to kill them, shattering will provide some extra damage.
Its not likely you can get to shatter in time and you may have other clones/phantasms that are fine. I tot the class mechanic were the clones/illusions themselves. My bad.
If you explain to me, how you’d build a time warp centric build, an effect that is up for 10 seconds every 3 minutes your argument would have merit.
For the record, if 5 seconds were added to the shatters cd (before the shatter recharge %, i assume) it’d probably have a very marginal overall effect. On most builds that would come down to like 1,66 seconds increase, thats not even 10 % . People would probably react much more to a % increase, or a damage reduction. Alas, you are still comparing apples and skyscrapers.
My example isnt about builds centering around a skill or a mechanic. Its about the irritation you get when things get nerfed to suit another aspect of the game. Like you said 5s CD is very marginal, much less than the Quickness nerf and yet a lot of mesmer who RELY on shatters not just for direct damage, but for the vulnerability stacks/confusions stacks etc. in PVP will be crying foul. That is what I imagine what would happen. Correct me if I am wrong.
As for the players who consider TW as a crutch in PvE in their opinion, I would imagine they don’t use it at all but they turn around and say they do. The illogical arguments put forth by the elite mesmer community boggles my mind.
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Out of all the classes, would you say ranger be the one you’d kick after the patch?
Then again, rangers were being kicked before patches, so I guess that’s a little redundant.
Will never kick any profession even rangers in any dungeon. However 2 is the absolute maximum I would ever take in every dungeon except COF p1. Sadly that is the same limit I would say for necros as well.
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The game was supposed to allow 5 Engineers to be able to finish fractals. That was what we were sold, so there should be a way to do it.
There is a way to do FotM 48 with 5 Engineers without any consumable bar nourishments, you just need to be bloody good players to do it. The reason people take classes like Guardians and Mesmers in addition to their whatever class is because it makes everyone else’s job easier.
5 Engineers yes probably. 5 Eles u need godlike skillz if u went into Cliffside.
5 Thieves. Same godlike skillz for almost every fract at lvl 48.
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Killing the statues then the boss makes the fight ultra easier. Why would you bother yourself with going to the buggy spot and let the boss hit your whole team every attack when he is totally buffed?
On the other hand, they should check HotW bosses HP. They have a incredibly huge HP pool, and easy fights, like p2 ice monsters, take forever
Except the boss doesnt hit the whole team and it is still faster with high DPS professions even with protection on to just wail away. Faster still if the party had boon removal professions with them.
The problem is not this exploit, its finding players who like HoTW even at its peak, it is not a popular dungeon at all. Once ppl got all their tokens, they leave.
I liked Hotw initally when I was unsure of the mechanics. The Werewolf boss fight and even Hammertime Fimbul were really fun.
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Only things I’m concerned about is the balance team and the direction of the in-game economy.
The balance team rarely discusses their reasoning behind their buffs and nerfs and that lack of communication is creating a lack of faith.
Economy…not enough supply, too much gold.
This is whats killing the game for me and my friends, they are the meat and three veg of most players anger..
They need to balance for PvE, PvP and WvW, not just the minority part only a few even step into..but hey when the populations decrease again who knows what might happen..
I love it when others refer to 85% (I would say 95%) of the playerbase as the muppet masses which the balance team apparently disfavored in this patch.
Yes i’d like to say thank you too for the Ranger speed nerf and the Engi kit refinement nerf, both my mains, now i must look for something else to play…
To say we are the minority is false my whole guild felt ripples of anger yesterday, i only saw one player happy with the patch… Some are even leaving to other mmo’s…
Dude, Anet’s marketing peeps have to eat.
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Yeah, I really don’t understand the warrior buff and rangers and engineer nerfs. Those are the two most classes people dislike partying with most since they think they don’t really bring “anything to the party”. Nerfing them will just make people go… “do you have another class?”
Potential, look around and find the VERY good rangers and engi videos out there.
Those videos are pre-nerf. Logic fail. Actually I was pretty happy with class balance until this patch and class balance was the final straw that broke the camel’s back as there is no real new content for PVE players like myself after shinylust has been sated.
Apparently the only dungeon the PVPers ever play is COF P1, otherwise I fail to see how TW/Quickness pre patch allows u stomp on bosses.
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Love the sunday players posting troll mesages on forums ! When an elite skill is nerfed 50% its a big nerf mate , so l2p ! And if you didnt play mesmer in PVE for the TW then YOU played the mesmer wrong !
Not to bash you bro but if you are playing mesmer for just that one skill, you really should delete yours.
a. We are the only class that can stack 24 stacks of vulnerability, instantly and on multiple targets if you trait for it. thats a 24% damage bonus right of the bat for the entire group. This actually will outtrump TW over time, cause its up every 35 seconds.
b. We are the only class that has a group teleportation spell. Situational? Yes, but useful nevertheless.
c. We are the only class that supplies glamour fields for confusion and chaos armor. Chaos armor is an incredibly powerful defensive boon.
d. Signet of inspiration doubles buff durations on the group for everyone but the mesmer, and doubles might stacks.
And TW is still the single longest quickness buff and has zero downsides. While we deal less damage than warriors, we still have craploads of utility. And our damage isnt that bad.
I dont play mesmers only for the shatters; if you do, I think u should delete your mesmer too. So if 5s cd were added to shatters for PVP balance, you guys would have no problems with it?
Obviously these pro mesmers never actually used their TWs to rez ppl. The horror of playing with multiple players who get downed.
I am a bad mesmer yet I dont think I needed TW to faceroll COF P1.
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I do have to admit, I always find the arguments for blatantly overpowered skills and classes amusing. TW is still good, adjust and move on.
I will agree however that mesmer needs an elite skill that is on a shorter cooldown and reliably useful however. It just doesn’t need to be time warp.
Not in PvE. Please quote an example of how OP prepatch TW outside of COF that it enables you to trivialize the content. This is the 10th time I am probably asking.
As for moving on, I think I will move on from GW2 because I am unsure what massively “positive” changes to the game will occur in the future.
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As for all the ppl saying they trivialize content – pls quote me your specific examples outside of COF P1/P2.
Arah path 4 – with one Time Warp you could bring Simin down from 50% before she went invisible, completely trivializing the fight.
This skill was way OP in PVE, and the nerf does not surprise me at all.
You can do that without Time Warp. Not to mention that fight was trivial to begin with.
Time Warp, and Haste in general, in PvE was not OP at all. It simply allowed you to complete content faster. If you couldn’t do it without TW, you probably couldn’t do it with TW.
I like how some people think using a skill to help beat an encounter is called “trivializing” the content. If that the case, I would say Reflection skills trivializes the Fractals and hence according to some people’s logic, worthy of a nerf. I mentioned in another post not everyone is Puandro or Wentospu.
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You couldn’t say the same for shatter CD, because that would have massive negative implications in all parts of the game, uniquely for Mesmer. The two situations are completely different, and now I’m done taking this bait. I’ve said my part, and you’ve wallowed through whatever point it is you think you’re making, and further discussion will not be productive.
Not really. My phantasm build in PvE will do just fine. But you cant seem to grasp this.
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As for pve…well, it’s rather simple. Pve is really easy. Really easy. The only challenging things are vey high level fractals, and Arah (sorta). I’ll be very blunt here and say that if you require time warp to finish a pve encounter, no matter how pathetic your team is, you are a bad Mesmer. Time warp makes things faster, it makes things more convenient. But to make the statement that it is necessary is the height of idiocy. Not every party has a Mesmer, and they do quite fine.
“No matter how pathetic your party is” and PVE is stupidly “easy outside of Arah and high level fracts” would indicate you can actually solo content. Without TW. I marvel at ur godly skillz.
I repeat no big deal in PvE then no nerf in PvE. Blanket nerf because dev doesnt want to code for separate cases then just say so.
Not all content is soloable. Many dungeons have mechanics that make them effectively impossible to solo.
That being said, there are many bosses I can solo. The thing is, my solo ability against those bosses doesn’t rely on time warp. It can’t. The duration is too low and the cooldown is too high for relying on it as a boss soloig tool to make any sense.
As I mentioned in the other thread that you’re clogging up, pve and wvw are connected, and so code that affects wvw necessarily catches pve as well.
Sorry I am not a Puandro or Wenthospu mesmer, but I guess 95% of the playerbase isn’t as well.
As for clogging u could always ask the mod to merge the threads.
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It affects wvw, which retains the same stats as pve. For this reason, it was nerfed everywhere. The key is that the nerf is 100% inconsequential in pve, while having massive positive implications in pvp.
I could say the same for shatter CD which brings me back to my example. And its not “inconsequential” if you ever been in clutch situations.
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As for pve…well, it’s rather simple. Pve is really easy. Really easy. The only challenging things are vey high level fractals, and Arah (sorta). I’ll be very blunt here and say that if you require time warp to finish a pve encounter, no matter how pathetic your team is, you are a bad Mesmer. Time warp makes things faster, it makes things more convenient. But to make the statement that it is necessary is the height of idiocy. Not every party has a Mesmer, and they do quite fine.
“No matter how pathetic your party is” and PVE is stupidly “easy outside of Arah and high level fracts” would indicate you can actually solo content. Without TW. I marvel at ur godly skillz.
I repeat no big deal in PvE then no nerf in PvE. Blanket nerf because dev doesnt want to code for separate cases then just say so.
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You seem to be willfully ignoring the fact that quickness is not a mechanic unique to mesmers. Every source of quickness in the game was nerfed; sources that have a downside were extended slightly, along with duration of the downside. This is not a Mesmer nerf, this is a much needed nerf to quickness that players of all classes have been asking for since the first week this game was released.
Well this is a mesmer forum so. “Players of all classes have been asking for since the first week” doesnt seem to include the other players of other professions who use quickness QQing in their respective forums. I find it strange why people would find it needed outside of PVP. I have been asking quite a few times on the forums which specific PVE content does it trivialize outside of COF. Apparently no one is able to answer.
I was giving a hypothetical scenario: if shatters CD was increased by 5s, would u guys be saying the same things? I dont use shatter builds or PVP so it doesnt affect me and I think all the other professions would like to see the above-mentioned nerf take place.
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50% faster attack/skill speed is still very good considering Time Warp effects 5 people total and its just one of our tools. We have friendly/enemy boon removals, a reflect, portal, a pull/push, Veil, and other goodies.
The reason they nerfed it in PvE as well is because you should bring players to a dungeon based on skill more than utility and you shouldn’t need it to beat certain fights.
PvP it was just dumb. I’ve been calling for a nerf on it months ago.
Better a half loaf than the full loaf you used to enjoy eh? At the rate we are going, people are going to say at least they didnt nerf it 75% or 100%.
You mean every party you were in, guild or PUG, everything always ran smoothly without a hitch, all your teammates are always skilled players and u wont need it to rez ppl, do a desperate burst to survive. And if you dont need it to beat encounters, then u can always swap to something else like Moa for example for giggles. Just be sure u do it in a party of guildies.
Well, not to toot my own horn or anything, but I’m actually good at this game, so I can happily say that not once have I ever needed time warp to successfully complete a pve encounter.
Now, time warp happens to be our elite with the best utility in most situations, which is why I use it for most situations. Having it nerfed, however, does not impact our pve ability more than a minimal amount, and impacts our total team utility an even smaller amount.
If you really think that time warp is the only thing we bring to a party; you are very, very bad at this class.
No its not the only thing we bring to a party. And no, its not that you are so good, its because you dont pug with average players in very difficult dungeons or bad players in normal ones. As to how good I am as a mesmer in PVE EX COF, well u have to ask my teammates whether I am very bad or not. Unlike you, I dont toot my own horn.
I find it strange that mesmers are so vociferously defending a nerf especially by irrationally saying that its no big deal. If its no big deal, then there is no necessity for a nerf in the first place. Clearly its a big deal in PVP but not so much in PvE that it “trivialises” content.
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Hi troll, you make no sense, try again? What do shatter builds have to do with anything? I don’t play one lol.
Why am I a troll? Please explain. I was simply quoting an example of a very popular build which u nerf a component by say blanket increasing the CD by 5s which should not be a big deal in order to placate other professions complaining of balance issues in PVP, which quickness was apparently nerfed for.
Shatter CD increase by 5s is truly no big deal, so no QQ pls. If you dont play shatter build, then you should have 0 objections watsover.
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I can’t believe all the crybabies, we got lots of good stuff this patch, so what if tw was tones down- quickness was halved for EVERY class, ours is still the only group quickness/combo field of awesomeness. And as far as stealth? Lolwhat, if you were blowing all your cool downs to stealth one after the other you’re not doing it right… the short revealed thing doesn’t affect us.
Wow confusing images great for shatter builds. GS a small piercing buff. Lots of good stuff.
Nerf Shatter builds in PVP and WvW please. They are too OP. No QQ pls. I can live with an increased CD to shatters.
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50% faster attack/skill speed is still very good considering Time Warp effects 5 people total and its just one of our tools. We have friendly/enemy boon removals, a reflect, portal, a pull/push, Veil, and other goodies.
The reason they nerfed it in PvE as well is because you should bring players to a dungeon based on skill more than utility and you shouldn’t need it to beat certain fights.
PvP it was just dumb. I’ve been calling for a nerf on it months ago.
Better a half loaf than the full loaf you used to enjoy eh? At the rate we are going, people are going to say at least they didnt nerf it 75% or 100%.
You mean every party you were in, guild or PUG, everything always ran smoothly without a hitch, all your teammates are always skilled players and u wont need it to rez ppl, do a desperate burst to survive. And if you dont need it to beat encounters, then u can always swap to something else like Moa for example for giggles. Just be sure u do it in a party of guildies.
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uh oh! I wandered around using asuran golem elite skill more thanTW mainly because of the cool down, I played the mesmer wrong according to Teh Mezmer Master, noooooo somebody helps me
j/k I dont care lol
You mean you weren’t kicked by teams in dungeons when they noticed u using ur golem elite instead of TW especially by “Etiquette” parties? Must be very nice teammates.
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Love the sunday players posting troll mesages on forums ! When an elite skill is nerfed 50% its a big nerf mate , so l2p ! And if you didnt play mesmer in PVE for the TW then YOU played the mesmer wrong !
Okay, so instead of finishing a spell at 50%, you finish it at 75%. Because of that, let’s all stop playing this profession and/or stop using that spell! YAY!
No lets balance the class some more by nerfing shatter builds. Anyone with me?
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Are you people just scared that the only reason people invited you into groups was because of Time Warp? If that’s the case, you have much bigger problems to deal with thakitten0% haste nerf (which probably affected Rangers and Warriors & Thieves much more than it affected Mesmers). But, tbh I wouldn’t mind one bit if the Mesmer class thinned out some, so by all means, enjoy your Warrior.
Are you people just scared that the only reason people invited you into top tier SPVP was because of your shatter builds? If that’s the case, you have much bigger problems to deal with thakitten0% haste nerf in place of a shatter nerf, which you hope will never come.
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This skill was OP. Adapt people… it still provides a functional benefit, just not as much.
Only in PVP and possibly in WvW. Lets not be disingenuous here.
On the flip side, more shatter nerfs please esp in PVP seem like a nice counter argument. Then I can tell the PVPers to adapt.
You’re extremely ignorant if you don’t think the TW nerf affected PvPers too. It was (and still is) a tide turner for point captures and in WvW people coordinate dropping them on rams to take down doors faster.
Thats my point. People complaining about TW / Quickness OPness in PVP which results in a nerf which is not warranted in PvE at all.
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This skill was OP. Adapt people… it still provides a functional benefit, just not as much.
Only in PVP and possibly in WvW. Lets not be disingenuous here.
On the flip side, more shatter nerfs please esp in PVP seem like a nice counter argument. Then I can tell the PVPers to adapt.
And not in PvE?
I think you missed the 5 mesmer fast run posted not long ago on the forum. They just quickness killed the bosses for a 10min run.
Which bosses would that be? Is it HOTW P3 mini bosses because I was in a five mesmer party and we didnt kill a quaggan within a minute. 5 TWs doesnt compensate for a lack of warrior DPS.
TW nerf was warranted, as it used trivialize a lot of content. I’m glad they did it.
A tad shorter CD would have been nice to compensate, though, so that we can switch elite without waiting for CD.
Actually Illusionary Warden is used to trivalize much a lot of PvE content. But I am sure you arent really aware of that. If you are according to your logic, its ok to nerf it too. As for all the ppl saying they trivialize content – pls quote me your specific examples outside of COF P1/P2.
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