Guild Wars 2

GenNuttY.3891:

before this patch I was able to blink and not continued to be snared…

You were able to blink out of binding roots and not be snared*.

You were always snared still if you blinked with other snares.

I still think Kaineng has the best chance. For a couple of reasons:

1. They will likely get an influx of fairweather transfers/guilds.
2. Even though they lost some numbers, if they have anything decent in the Euro/SEA/Oceanic (basically off peak NA times) then they could easily win.

I think my server, SF, has a decent shot of winning this thing as well. The last couple of weeks have been tough, but a lot of people are currently in PVE (event) and have been taking time off to rest up for the league push.

The one thing I can promise you all: You have not seen the SF over the past 4-5 weeks that you will see the next 7. We may not win, but we are going to fight like hell.

Jeknar.6184:

King Amadaeus.8619:

YB you cant have our Aldons! We in here like roaches with the lights off.

Thank you for the suicide rushes and Pbomb failures! Hopefully you guys are having fun, stop relying on siege so much and you might have taken it!

Yeah, SF know how to take Aldon Tower with Reinforced Gates without using any siege. Listen to the voice of experience.

Jek you are getting sandy in your old age, everyone knows PVGATE is a superior tactic…

I had to channel my inner [MEND] we went ET-Old School, and held a paper Aldons (for close to 3 full ticks) with 2 walls down, gate down, under 2-3 trebs, 2-3 morters, and countless ACs, oh yeah and they brought 2 omega golems.

Eventually we were overwhelmed by superior ACs and sheer YB brute force. (That is to say they brought about 50 people against our 15 or so that were still left standing).

We started with about 25 (or less) and YB did a good job of picking our people off that had died and were trying to run back. We had to push out a few times to wipe their Superior ACs, so eventually we lost enough and they called enough in to overwhelm us.

It was a pretty fun fight that showed some of our people that you can win fights against superior numbers if you are going about it properly.

YB you cant have our Aldons! We in here like roaches with the lights off.

Thank you for the suicide rushes and Pbomb failures! Hopefully you guys are having fun, stop relying on siege so much and you might have taken it!

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Kronyx.2570:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Jeknar.6184:

Gulagman.9045:

Keep in mind, we cannot prevent our trolls/griefers or fairweather players to do stupid stuff. Most of the people who do play WvW (guilds, roamers, etc) have agreed to not camp spawn during ANY match up. This spawn camping happens in EVERY matchup when one side is so lopsided.

So, is [pro] a “trolls/griefers or fairweather” guild? Because they are the ones that have been camping ET spawn on EB.

No idea, but I know that while we were on YBBL on reset night, PRO and LOOT zergs got wiped by us multiple times. I know that our numbers MAYBE matched theirs in a few fights but I know we were outnumbered most of them. Had to merch multiple times just after those couple of fights.

Are you from CoSA? Because then you know your 40-50 man guild group did infact outnumber everyone on the map. The only time you wiped us was in SE camp and in hills. We wiped you in hills the first time, and then the second time at NE tower. Overall good fights.

if you are from STaR, all you did was get wiped on reset night, apart from one fight in NE camp, we wiped you twice at hills, once at NE camp, then you guys regrouped and came fro SE camp, and then when you got wiped there you left. Also about the guy saying “we wiped to your siege”, um NE and SE camp were YOURS how could we siege it up. Morons.

Ya, CoSA. Unfortunately I missed the first Hills fight, got there just after (thanks to my fiancee, always making me late!). Sorry, I wasn’t trying to sounds like I was talking smack. Everyone always thinks they are outnumbered, which is part of the flow of battle, so I try to figure I see more red than is actually there. Which is why I worded it that way. The fights have been great, we win some, we lose some. Numbers really do not mean much in those large battles. We might have had 40 when all the pugs were with us. I really wish ANET would give us the ability to see ally and enemy numbers (minus the minions, they make zergs look much bigger).

So, sorry if I sounded like I was being negative. Didn’t mean to come off that way, I have had fun in this matchup.

Yea we definitely didn’t have 40-50, because I remember thinking we had fewer than most resets. We have lots of friends though, and everyone is welcome to run with us always.

I lol’d, they are “working on it” did you really expect something already???

Avatar of Belle.9623:

I kinda love it when people spawn camp. I don’t have to go far to get a fight! Plus there’s always the joy of trying to pull someone into legendary defender range.

People who are partial to objective based WvW may disagree.

PS: I’m totally guilty of running into the legendary defender. My guild had to rez me last night.

I have no issue admitting that I logged into my thief and necro last night soley for the purpose of pulling people into the legendary range from the steps of lowlands.

Nothing is funnier than watching them frantically trying to run back out and save their pixely souls….

Also I stealthed and ran into ET’s spawn and hung out in the safe spot for a good 10 minutes in EB the other day…Sadly not one ET ran by for me to surprise, I tried to go further but got the auto port out, and lost interest in the entire endeavor….

Runamok.9638:

quickflash.6314:

SF and there mighty troops

When you talk about wipe a thon? Was that the NPCs and random up levels you came across?

Could you imagine there comms , dude we just killed a Tower Lord! High fives !

ROFL.

Ps . STAR that was an awesome 2 golem strike this morning. We were wondering why you didn’t contest the waypoint though? Some new surprise tactic where your golems eat cannon fire ?

I think this may have been a partial response to me, but I am not sure. If it was you are totally confused.

-brotha

I think she is a thief commander brotha…The confusion is everywhere.

Eye Mohini.7938:

the internet, where everyone is as hard as nails

If it lasts for more than 4hrs you are supposed to call a Dr.

I recommend Dr. Brotha (see above).

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

LOL, like a server holds elections on “their” forum warriors? As I am sure you know, the majority of posters are a vocal minority and are usually the lamer players of a server (with exceptions of course, like King Amadeus, that dood can fight!). So you are telling us that you are being even more of a jerk by placing even MORE siege to spawn camp all of a servers players because of a few on the forum?

Sorry guy in last post, your “award” has been rescinded and re-awarded to this winner.

King Amadaeus approves of this message.

Also please spawn camp me harder YB, I enjoy the kitten outta it….It gets me “there” if ya know what I mean.

Nothing like the thrill of bailing off into your 2-3 balis/2-3ACs/2-cow shot trebbed spots/and 3-4 veteran guards just to down the uplevel cake siegemonkeys. (seriously if you wanna really spawn camp lose the siege and subsequent siege monkeys, it will help you to learn to play your toon) Avoid siege at all costs, it is the devil!

I like you YB, I really do, I have given you some nice loot I bet, but your bags are close to my spawn….Which makes me happy.

King Amadaeus.8619:

Hoskinsed.4296:

well, i roam too n yes i have found some skilled players. BUT when tried to compliment or talk to they where total kittens sooooo to me non of them deserve respect.

What constitutes roaming on Yaks Bend:

I also got what I came for and made sure I was polite sir…

Hoskinsed.4296:

well, i roam too n yes i have found some skilled players. BUT when tried to compliment or talk to they where total kittens sooooo to me non of them deserve respect.

What constitutes roaming on Yaks Bend:

Nozzie.2067:

Jeknar.6184:

Well, I hereby decrete this week a farming week!

Look up for one of my 4 WvW character (the upper line of my sig) at EB (mostly) or ET BL (unlikely). I’ll be leading a karma train over the paper stuff left behind on Yak’s Bend wrath… No upgrading, no defense… All about Exp/Wxp!

Do not delay… THE TRAIN!

Yes, I expect that this will be the case all week. I’ve joined the YB Karma Train & have already seen some amazingly stupid things from our fairweather players. Just one of many examples was at ET’s Bay where about a dozen of our finest ran straight up to the gate & started PvDing, completely ignoring not just the cannons but the boiling oil directly above their heads. This was while there were defenders inside. Unfortunately no defenders used the oil so no lessons were learnt. Not that they are likely to learn anything as demonstrated by their repeatedly standing in AC circles & dying.

Still gotta give props to YB people, you guys are always willing to admit the issue with the fairweather zergs. It is expected on our side too, we know how it is…The awful PVE masses see ‘an easy match’ and then all of the sudden you got a bunch of WvW pros running around.

CoSA had fun fighting in YB BL at reset. Good fights with [LOOT] and [PRO] in and around hills.

Yarr stop disturbing duels….

Obscure One.4357:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Obscure One.4357:

The problem isn’t that it resurrects the Lord but that it does so at range, instantly upon casting. It’s the latter part that requires balancing not the former. I don’t care if the Lord gets rez’d the whole week and SM never gets flipped, but those doing the rezing shouldn’t be able to do it with an instant ranged ability. Move the rez into the bar of banner skills while equipped, and make it AoE centered on the user with an obvious casting animation and 1-2 second cast time. Wanna rez the Lord? You have to put on your waders and rush into the K!tt3N and try to come back out clean.

It already is a 2-second cast with a range around 600:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Battle_Standard

I have had mine (when I am running warrior) interrupted many times (crippled and walking through null fields losing stability along the way), and also died while trying to “wade” into range of the Lord.

Indeed. The rez is however instant, and does not operate as other heal over time Rez skills (but other heal over time rez skills aren’t elite, so that is acceptable). Additionally casting does not lock the user in place allowing for a “hit and run” style rez.

It requires enemy organization to counter you, but with equal organization you’ll get your banner off. Just one consecration Guardian (Wall of Reflection + Hallowed Ground + Sanctuary) and Frenzy it goes off without contest. Then while your Frenzy is up you pop off a quick 16k kill shot that downs the two or three guys trying to stop you. Conditions? My warrior is not convinced they exist. CC’s? Don’t notice those either he automatically gains stability and ignores the effect that proc’d it. Boon ripping? Unless you have a buddy set to use an interrupt immediately, my friend dropped a stability spamming field, so if your timing lags a fraction of a second you’ve done nothing to stop me. Direct DPS? Endure Pain is an undeniable buff both on my bar and will activate automatically at 25%…and that consecration guardian friend is full clerics with over 2k healing power who’s entire job for that one moment is to make sure that banner goes off.

Add in 30 players on each side making a delightful mess of bloom effects and also prepping banners if one fails and you’ve got the ingredients for a really bull_kitten_ troll fight for SM.

Seriously you are describing a well oiled machine of a concerted effort to banner a lord, and wondering why it is possible? I mean what you are describing is probably in the minutest minority of the banner attempts that go down.

95% of banner attempts: “Im gonna warbanner the lord” then it either happens or they stop him/her. I mean if people are really building/gearing/grouping for warbanner attempts I say: bravo.

Kudos to you for being on the other side of the argument, but realistically people need to stop being irritated that stuff works as “intended”.

It is kinda like saying: Stability is OP because my guardian has a ton of it and I walk through people trying to CC me.

sander.5830:

Lol perplexity is easy to counter condition removal + some patience for the confusion to away+ some blinds+ blocks+invun skills

50 whine posts will also get it done.

ptitminou.6489:

The real question is though: Did CoSA really cause the WZ commander to ragequit? That rumor is funny on its own but would be even funnier if it were true.

No idea, first I have heard of it.

Atherakhia.4086:

Man, WZ must have one f’d up night crew because the stories in here are some wild stuff that I aint ever seen. I’ll have to see my manager about taking on a later shift so I can take part in this kitten extravaganza.

On the plus side I’m proud to see how far FC has come. Did it without Lukian, Moose, Pew, or VC.

I wouldn’t worry about it. We fought some very good WZ groups during the reset night and over the weekend.

The problem is the same one that CoSA has, if there are a group of 20 pugs, and 5 have WZ tags, 15 are randoms: “We wiped your crappy WZ group”. The 5 identical tags stand out more than the 15 randoms.

Same thing happens to us, I seen a lot of WZ uplevels last night personally, but like I said we had some great fights with them over the weekend.

Obscure One.4357:

The problem isn’t that it resurrects the Lord but that it does so at range, instantly upon casting. It’s the latter part that requires balancing not the former. I don’t care if the Lord gets rez’d the whole week and SM never gets flipped, but those doing the rezing shouldn’t be able to do it with an instant ranged ability. Move the rez into the bar of banner skills while equipped, and make it AoE centered on the user with an obvious casting animation and 1-2 second cast time. Wanna rez the Lord? You have to put on your waders and rush into the K!tt3N and try to come back out clean.

It already is a 2-second cast with a range around 600:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Battle_Standard

I have had mine (when I am running warrior) interrupted many times (crippled and walking through null fields losing stability along the way), and also died while trying to “wade” into range of the Lord.

ptitminou.6489:

King Amadaeus.8619:

ptitminou.6489:

Neither. Because you run a 50 man zerg that hides behind seige even versus significantly lower numbers, we see you as cowards. The first time we thought we were just good, then we realized you also ran away from CoSA. So your badness hurt our ego and now you deal with the results.

(not that CoSA is bad by any means, but they are casual and play for fun because “this aint tier 1” they say, so any organized group should be able to take em, especially in bigger numbers)

As the Official Topless Activities Director here at CoSA (Sapphire Division), I can assure you sir, that we not only play for fun, but also play for Keeps (Bay, Hills, Ones on EBG to name a few).

We also realized long ago that when you comprise/represent essentially 3 Guilds with near 900 players: Peoples opinions of us really do not hurt our feelings. For all you guys know the “CoSA” you see could be a PVE’er from Scarlet, or a hardcore WvW’er from Sapphire. Or they could be a person totally new to the game that we thought was cool and invited to the Guild (because you know, we are not elitists).

CoSA is SF because the comparisons are eerily similar, if we wipe people: We used our superior numbers. If we get wiped: we misused our superior numbers.

We are considered “casual” because on VoiP we like to tell dirty jokes, make middle-school innuendo, invite people to play topless, build citadel rams, make fun of people building open field siege, and most of all play to have fun.

TL/DR: We play for KEEPS, this in fact is not T1.

#CoSAPlaysForKeeps2013

#sosoftly
Hope you wreck the FC bg again tonight!

I spent 2 months on BG so obviously we will…

Jackie.1829:

Rigel.3092:

Crash, you are doing nothing more the venting. You know better than this. If those you run with cannot yet figure out how block or prevent warriors from banner rez’ing a Lord after all this time in WvW, wow, just wow. Better yet, the best thing to do is just deal with it instead of coming on the forums to gripe about it…

But you have the magical solution cause you are so good or?

I read this thread and people go “OMG USE CC” “this is so easy I can kill wars with my thief” “pull it to a different spot” “thats the function of the banner!” “defenders should have an advantage!”.

And I cant help but cry, because clearly such a large portion of players dont get it. We already said it was 10+ warriors, the lord area of garrison has multiple levels as well as inside and outside water gate via which they can hide. They dont come anywhere near the lord until they decide to banner at which point they use their utilities, and then they can wait 3 mins for next banner which syncs with all utilities coming back easily, even if they die they can respawn and they will have all the skills back.

And yes defenders should have an advantage, but not cap invulnerability, and if you cannot understand how this is complete invulnerability, then its you who needs to l2play because you clearly have no semblance of game understanding as far as mechanics. Frankly I dont know why crash posted on forums aside from possibly to get Arenanets attention, because the majority of players here are clueless and the posts demonstrate that.

1 Golem is effective on a gate, 10 Golems are more effective. Strategy goes out the window when you add more numbers to the situation.

My point is that 1-3 banner warriors you might could stop, 10+ and it is probably GG and time to move on.

The real issue here sir, is that there are too many people in this game that think they should “win” every scenario and when they do not they come here and cry nerf all under the veil of “balance”.

The fact still remains that War Banners have a long CD, and unless you have 10+ warriors you have to be fairly coordinated to keep the lord up. I know it is frustrating, but more than likely you just ran into a good group of folks that had a plan and it worked. You might play this game for the next year and not see 10+ banner warriors again, and then you might see it again tonight. It is just a “perfect storm” scenario that is probably awesome if you are one of the 10 warriors, and sucks if you are trying to cap that circle.

ptitminou.6489:

Neither. Because you run a 50 man zerg that hides behind seige even versus significantly lower numbers, we see you as cowards. The first time we thought we were just good, then we realized you also ran away from CoSA. So your badness hurt our ego and now you deal with the results.

(not that CoSA is bad by any means, but they are casual and play for fun because “this aint tier 1” they say, so any organized group should be able to take em, especially in bigger numbers)

As the Official Topless Activities Director here at CoSA (Sapphire Division), I can assure you sir, that we not only play for fun, but also play for Keeps (Bay, Hills, Ones on EBG to name a few).

We also realized long ago that when you comprise/represent essentially 3 Guilds with near 900 players: Peoples opinions of us really do not hurt our feelings. For all you guys know the “CoSA” you see could be a PVE’er from Scarlet, or a hardcore WvW’er from Sapphire. Or they could be a person totally new to the game that we thought was cool and invited to the Guild (because you know, we are not elitists).

CoSA is SF because the comparisons are eerily similar, if we wipe people: We used our superior numbers. If we get wiped: we misused our superior numbers.

We are considered “casual” because on VoiP we like to tell dirty jokes, make middle-school innuendo, invite people to play topless, build citadel rams, make fun of people building open field siege, and most of all play to have fun.

TL/DR: We play for KEEPS, this in fact is not T1.

#CoSAPlaysForKeeps2013

How dare you sir come in this forum suggesting things to ANET that make sense in both theory and application?!

(Their stance would likely be that people would grief other players that they deemed guilty of adding to the group and removing the outmanned buff)

But like you said, the majority would rather have more players than a buff anyway, but the fact remains that the lords in charge do not agree.

Yeah all I am really reading is people frustrated that they ran into a coordinated defense group that kept bannering the lord. It sucks when it happens (I have had it happen to me and have done it to others in the last week), but instead of QQing about it you just have to tip your hat when people do things well. There is a reason why the banners res the lords, and there is a reason why you have to control that circle.

More often than not you do not run into groups that are organized well enough to do it with regularity.

#FrozenSoil2014?

WXP and world ranks are a joke, a funny one, but still a joke (an opinion of course, but I am not alone in that)….Also LOLing at all the people in this thread saying “I quit playing my alts because it wasn’t account bound”…

Should it be account bound? Yes. Since it is not, should you not be playing alts just because of that? NO.

All the rank proves is that you play 1-toon a lot and does not even mean you play it well. Therefore ANET had to put a time-gate (laurels) on it to keep it semi-legitimate, they couldn’t have all these people maxing everything out, then ANET would have to hurry and rush more ridiculous siegemonkey mastery’s out. If they just let the people with 3-4k worth of badges “buy rank” then it would be even more of a laughing stock.

“That thing ANET made because they don’t understand what players want”

bokkieskitten.8023:

I need to stress again, OP and I are a two person roam only and him solo when I am ill or too busy deep in my tea, crocheting while I surf pinterest….

Rarely do we ‘small man group’. If we have other guildies with us, it’s because we are just messing around. We do not do that whole group thing and we aren’t interested on how necros are or are not good in them.

The problem IS though, the small man groups full of heavies that jump on TWO necros and chain stun them to death. Ridiculous.

1v1/2v2s are dead.

At the end of the day solo and duo roaming is 10% good fights, 90% get ganked/zerged. Chain stun groups, stunlock thieve duos/trios, and coordinated fear necros all fall into the category of ‘GG’ if you aren’t careful.

Regardless, there are few classes, and even fewer players that would stand much of a chance solo’ing an organized 3-5 man, the game is just simply not built for it.

Even in a 1v3 if you get one of them down, the other two can rez their buddy much faster than you can even get the spike off. I have seen some good players win 1v3/4/5’s but it is almost always due to the fact that the larger group is just plain bad, or makes a key mistake like not rezzing their downed buds.

Players that are dead should have tried harder, and also should have grey names.

Lots of people wanna “punish” Devon, and I get that…But this will be at the expense of NSP, 7 weeks of getting zerged by silver-leaguers will likely do more damage to that server than to Mr. Carver.

At the end Devon might learn something from it, but that server could be in bad shape, and Devon won’t be there anymore but the NSP player base will have to deal with the repercussions.

In the end it likely will come down to next week’s match-up…It was a great thing to realign the leagues, it was an equally terrible idea to not “lock-in” the matches at that announcement; instead giving servers/people 3 weeks to transfer/tank/etc to manipulate whatever legitimacy this “league” nonsense was going to have in the first place.

Seriously you spend all these months with randomized matchups gathering data, and in 1-months time it will literally be 50% garbage because the players are moving server to server and manipulating it all…..

Bring Rum if you are joining our mumble, tops as always, are optional.

Sororita.3465:

I would, if i wasnt stunned the entire time >.>

my biggest gripe is that i cant do anything about it because im stunned all the time. the biggest thing is that i cant do anything because im chain stunned,

not even worth carrying a stun breaker because theyll just stun you again…and again…and again…

Granted the warrior stuns are plentiful, but not carrying 2 or 3 stunbreakers is suicide these days.

Warriors aren’t even the issue in regards to stun breakers IMO, it is the Condi thieves that are running perplexity runes (like my thief is lol)that have access to near infinite stun capabilities.

It just depends on the situation, in a 1v1 a necro should be able to take the warrior if properly built for it. (lots of kiting and fearing) If you are just getting focused in small man roaming then that is just part of being a necro (or an ele for that matter), it is one of the reasons I have wells (darkness and power) and spectral armor (for stun break/shroud regen) on my utility bar most times I am on my necro.

Necros are either:

Really OP
or
Really easy to kill

Just depends on the person mashing buttons…That may sound like an obvious statement, but there are some classes out there that are just inherently easier to play.

Mepheles.2087:

It’s less even and more like we’re taking shifts. Or hot potato.

Congrats, you just figured out the true nature of WvW: It is a coverage contest. Hence the only way to have close matches is to either exchange shifts, or have the same coverage and/or coverage gaps as your competitors.

Just another reason to /shrug about PPT.

The problem with any fixes, is getting ANET to believe that anything is really broken.

Spirit Ritulist.9314:

As it was once said in a IoJ vs DR thread (to lazy to find it I just remember) it’s hard to see your “superior tatics” behind your sea of red most of the time you’ll just wipe DR and GoM simply because you have double if not triple numbers on your side I’m not complaining about numbers or anything having fun time killing you guys seems to be answer to a lot of your problems in a fight is throw more bodies on it till you win which in my case means I’m going be knee deep in loot bags smiling on my AC for when you guys finally do win lol.

Don’t read too much into the tactics argument, every server has sects of people that think that what they are doing is vastly superior and feels the need to post: words/vids/pics to the point.

I have always said: Give me 15 people on VoiP and we will wipe 30 pugs. That is the way it is supposed to happen, if 30 pugs are ever beating your 15 that are on voice comms, then shame on ya. (The overall point being: coordinated groups should be wiping uncoordinated zerglings)

No one on SF I can assure you, is under the assumption that we do not outnumber you. And I would venture to guess that 80-90% of our population is smart enough to realize that the server with the most coverage (us this week), wins the match. (Tactics decide individual fights, and individual captures/defenses, so tactics are of course very important; but WvW is too big of a coverage contest for them to usually “win or lose” a match for you).

JPM.3541:

King Amadaeus.8619:

System kind of has a way of filtering itself. The bad commanders stop getting followed, and eventually tag down and find something else to do.

Nowadays we have so many that I do not even need to tag up, some of them go and some stay. Only bad thing is that you have to spend a couple of weeks watching these people fail before they realize what they’re doing wrong or they just find something else to do. But to me, that is just part of the process.

I do know you are allways around on WvW, and dont get me wrong, im not trying to confront.

For me thats is a problem, and a waste of time. We dont need that kind of commanders around, thats is more like for regular players allowed if you wanna to see whats happening or try the field.

You know alot of commanders start trying, then go away after dont get followed but in the middle is like weeks of waste of time.

Also is easy to see that to you, or me or another guys who played alot… but still not good for regular players that just get in.

I know that the system works as you say… im just saying that need to change asap, and the only way to do it atm is rank based since there is not another way to work on that…and ANET is not going to drop a extreme change to work this out.

So rank based is like a possible solution, that can be apply without a extreme change.

Thats why supporting this idea, of course there is like 1million of other options, but are they possible to implement?

I dont believe is better as is atm, we need a change.

No I totally understand your point, and I do wish that there were a better system. I just do not think that WvW rank is a feasible means, because of the aforementioned: alts, fact it is not account bound, and that it still does not measure the aptitude of the commander. It just assures you that they should know what they are doing since they have spent _ amount of time in order to gain said rank. Granted that might be a better system than the “pay 100g” one we have in place now, it still would have many drawbacks.

Going off your suggestion I came to a few ideas:

-Split the PVE and WvW commander tags if they are going to stay at 100g for a tag. Then all of the folks that bought it for PVE would have to really decide if they wanted to commit another 100g.

or

-Have each current commander’s tag and future purchased tags to be chosen by the player to be classified as either: PVE or WvW, and color code them as such IE: Blue for PVE, and Red for WvW. Then when a PVE-colored (Blue) commander enters WvW, people would have an idea of their experience level and that they are likely more PVE-centric than some of the WvW-only folks.

or

-Make the tags based on WvW achievements, which are account bound rather than the character bound wxp/ranks.
-Obviously the achievements would need to be reasonably attained, but still enough distance that “Johnny come lately” wouldn’t be able to farm it in 30 days.
-Kills, defenses, captures, etc could/should all be taken into account to insure that said player(s) has experienced a broad spectrum of WvW.

While I believe that any/all of these could help the situation, there would still be issues, and people would still be unhappy.

Bro, honestly 400 is a ridiculous rank, like you said it is not achieved in a few weeks or by farming WXP very quickly. Do many people have it? Sure, but they are in the minority. They have it because they play 1 maybe 2 toons, which in the grand scheme of things is not the norm. Most people have at least a few alts, and some even have A LOT of alts. If they made the rank account bound I would be more apt to go with your way of thinking, but even then there are people I know on SF and other servers with a lot of WvW rank (because they play 1-toon) and I wouldn’t follow them to a picnic.

System kind of has a way of filtering itself. The bad commanders stop getting followed, and eventually tag down and find something else to do.

Me personally, I got my tag to help out during the afternoon/evening shift before all the regulars get on, back then there used to seldom ever be a tag running from 3pmEST-5pmEST. Nowadays we have so many that I do not even need to tag up, some of them go and some stay. Only bad thing is that you have to spend a couple of weeks watching these people fail before they realize what they’re doing wrong or they just find something else to do. But to me, that is just part of the process.

At the end of the day, I would rather have an inexperienced commander tagged up than none at all. At least he can use the dorito for a rallying point, and hopefully the pugs are helping him out along the way.

clint.5681:

Well if DH keeps dropping points and we keep gaining them rank 17 is ours.

On a related note WvW is disabled because ANet messed up the matches in the last patch.

Only thing that concerns me is keeping NSP where they are and not allowing any of those servers who (shall remain nameless) are sandbagging trying to get into the bronze league.

I say that not because I want to “win”, but because I want this thing to be as “even” as it possibly can. While it still will be lopsided in many matches, I think anyone who has seen the YB’s/Kains of the world can understand the sentiment of “even as it possibly can”.

Replace it with crafting stations, merchants, BL agents, and a waypoint. And then remove all of these from being available anywhere else in WvW.

Funny thing is that some people that are die-hard in ANET’s favor about everything were claiming (at least a couple) that they implemented these colors for the colorblind.

#grayteamOP2013

Sororita.3465:

I bet youre happy that SF is near the top of Bronze league eh? d=(~.^)z

I would be if I played for rewards and PPT!

If anything, I would like to see it “time-gated” like many other things in this game. I wanna say I had over 2000hrs in WvW before I ever tagged up (I may be wrong so I would have to verify that), but I know it was around 9months of 100% WvW. I would also like to see the WvW commander tag split from the PVE commander.

I agree with the OPs sentiment, just did not think WvW-rank really is a good measurement of it. (Since people can get several ranks a day just farming centaurs/skritt/sentrys/camps/karma train zergs)

EDIT: In typical, predictable fashion, it appears that “buying” rank will become more and more common, thus making it even more unreliable in regard to player skill/correlation.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/WvW-Boosters-from-People

While I agree something needs to be done to vet a commander, I do not think tying it to WvW-rank makes it any more legit than the current 100g standard.

Many of the folks running around with high WvW rank simply follow (or lead) the karma train, and that is where the majority of their experience (rank) is derived from. Just how PPT is a measure of coverage, wvw-ranks is just a measure of time spent doing “wvw things”, it does not measure how successful a person is or will be when tagged up. Just proves that they spend a lot of time on one character in WvW
Another factor is alts, this game already frowns upon alts enough. Basing WvW-rank does not take into account commanders that have alts with tags.

Like the OP I am from Sorrows Furnace, we have had a lot of new commanders lately. The only thing I can really say is:

-Remember everyone has to start somewhere, and granted there will be people that are just tagged up for the novelty. (Likely time will weed these folks out)
-“WvW” is very different for many people. Some think it is all about “attacking as much as you can”, others think it is about defending/attacking equally while worrying over PPT, some think it is only about using siege (wars) to get PPT (IE: avoiding PvP), and some think it is about open world PvP (IE: avoiding siege).
-Leaving EB helps most times…Lets face it, on every server pretty much EB is the place where skilled players go to die and PUGs thrive. I spend time there because on a low-pop server there are usually good fights to find. But it is a magnet for fairweathers/karma trains/siege-monkeys/etc.

Sororita.3465:

King Amadaeus.8619:

I was going to make a GoM one but couldn’t find a good pic of IoJ.

Only about 15-20 GoM players went to IoJ, majority of GoM transfers went to SBI,BP and JQ, learning!

Here’s a good IoJ Picture.

In before IoJ crumbles now that league format has changed….

madchatter.7964:

clint.5681:

Lol people always make weird comparisons to their servers and SF. A few weeks ago was the us army and the Chinese army.

Let’s make a photo album of SF! I’ll start!

I was going to make a GoM one but couldn’t find a good pic of IoJ.

SF, we need to back off the gas. If every one of the lower tiers servers ever did anything to work together: we need to not gain rating if at all possible.

Those POS Kainengs are trying to sandbag and fall into the bottom league for EZ mode. (We faced them, it will be easy mode for them if they do manage to fall).

Madora.9340:

Sagabatou.1076:

Theftwind.8976:

Dear Yaks Bend:

I am writing this as a favor to you in order to inform you that you do not need quite so many people to take a non upgraded supply camp. It is doable with less and in truth one person can capture a supply camp and have it done before the swords appear.

If you wish I can train your people how to do it solo and can accomplish that training with a Guardian, Mesmer, warrior or any class that suits you. The cost for that training will be 5 gold per person but wait, there is more! If you sign up before the end of the month I will cut the cost to only 4 gold per lesson!

I suppose however there is that fear factor involved from being alone for the first time. Sadly I cannot teach you courage, that is something you must do by yourself.

Yeah, it would be nice to have people on our server that can do small group capping or solo capping, but the amount of people in your screenshot is our WXP Train.

The karma train for SF has been strangely absent since we stopped fighting AR and ET for the fifteenth million time.

^

gennyt.3428:

It was quite freeing to stop caring about PPT and upgrading stuff for kind of some vague team. Now I run around with guildmates picking fights and having a great time. I ’m not loving the wxp/karma trains, whether they be friend or foe.

Defending is an uphill struggle to nowhere. Once I realized how the game worked, it sucked all the fun out of that. And they keep making seige stronger while leaving structures the same lol. But hey, E-sports!

Pretty much this…I am over “WvW” in almost every phase, mainly interested in the Deathmatch now.

Cuchullain.3104:

The other night a commander tagged up and formed a small roaming group and we finally got to have some open-field fights with like-minded opponents. It was a blast.

The so-called “real commander” (PVDoor zergmeister) and his obnoxious minions gave us no end of grief for “accomplishing nothing” as if we should apologize for having fun. Did I mention we are like 100,000 points ahead and maybe it might be nice to allow our insanely outnumbered opponents to cap some stuff from time to time while we fight balanced groups in the fields? I’m fed up with the whole “we have to always win” mentality which is more about the commanders’ egos than fun for the rest of us.

ZOMG they just took a tower!!!!!! Everybody get to the WP and follow the commander!!!!

Who gives a baby cat.

Same thing happened to me last night…Was catching grief for leading our guild group while tagged up (normally we try not to tag but had some people that needed the follow icon). Even though I asked people to tag up and lead the main zerg(they wouldn’t), and warned people that if they followed we wouldn’t be concerned with PPT/PVDOOR/etc.

I actually had a guy tell me he wasn’t “following me, he was following the people following me”…..

Like I said deleting the score would be the best way IMO to get people to play WvW, leaving the scoreboard just makes people think everything lives and dies with PPT.

watch that for a nice few laughs, the people that make the game struggle with what it has become even…