Guild Wars 2

Also while stability is preferred, taking stun breakers works in most situations as well.

I mean it is pretty obvious now (I would hope) on when you need to pop these skills.

clint.5681:

My server (SF) seems to be taking advantage of our higher numbers by running around like a headless chicken( Seems like all our good commanders havent came online and we all know how this pve commanders are).

I can say this match up isnt nearly as fun for me as fighting HoD and IoJ last week.

Pretty much sums it all up….Worst part is that I saw some people congratulating a commander the other day in map chat, well I was with said commander whilst the karma train rolled…And I think we saw more Red Tags from NPCs than we did players.

Soon as the zergs started rolling from the other two servers, boop tag disappeared and everything went back to 1/3 v 1/3 v 1/3.

I am happy some new people are getting experience commanding, and matchups that allow large leads are probably the best time to break-in. But my worry is that these commanders, and many of the PUGs think that the “outcome” is directly tied to their influence.

(Seriously I saw one guy cap nearly all of EB without even saying a word in 2hrs.)

Rednik.3809:

Victory.2879:

Here’s a summary of the answers so far:

From the hammer wielders and press 1 autoattacking guardians, they see no problem with retal as they run around in a ball and have their own regeneration and healing going on so don’t really notice it, while tagging everything in sight with a weapon that does aoe damage and causes heals to trigger on the rest of their ball.

From anyone trying to damage the press 1 spammers by actually using skills as intended, retal is the most broken mechanic in the game.

“Number 1 spammers” are forced to always be in frontline, eating all melee, ranged and AOE damage, while skilled “killers of spammers” want to stay behind in safety, roll their faces on 1-2-3-4-5 and don’t care about stupid things like non-zerk gear, boon stripping
and backlash from retal? Oh, i see now.

Pretty much this…Retal might be OP in few scenarios for a few short bursts. (I enjoy popping group retal on an engie trying to flamethrow my group through a gate for instance).

For the most part retaliation (like I said before) punishes players who refuse to monitor their play. If you just wanna faceroll your keys and spam every skill trying to tag every mob while wearing DPS gear, expect to die from your playstyle. I can honestly say I have never been killed from retaliation or confusion for that matter. Mostly because as soon as I see said skills I back off my attacks until it is safe, or most of my builds are tanky enough to attack through the retaliation. (Confusion just depends on # of stacks)

If retaliation is killing you with a 5-man AoE cap then…its a build/gear/l2p

I am sorry, not even saying that as a cop-out either…There have been times when it’kitten me really kitten a mesmer or engi, but never died from it.

Players complaining about a skill that makes you think (slightly) before using a skill? IT MUST BE NERFED.

Manoa.5897:

Focusing our recruitment efforts on getting players from lower ranked servers to transfer to our server is misguided. While those servers may have lower populations than ours, they aren’t dead. And trying to get players from those lower ranked servers to transfer to our server just further widens the population gaps and will make for even more mismatched matches.

If any recruitment from other servers is going to be done, we lower WvW population servers should be banding together to recruit from all those higher tier servers who have an excess of WvW players that keep QQing about lag and queues.

Signed,
-Another Sorrows Furnace Player

Seconded, well said Manoa.

Just to add another personal note, we would like players/guilds that:

1. Want to be here for the long haul.
2. Want to be a part of the community.
3. Want to teach and learn from everyone on the server.

Either way, we are not interested in poaching players from servers that are already depleted, I think we have a fair-good relationship with many of the lower pop servers and hopefully they realize that this thread is started by one person not an entire server.

Jeknar.6184:

How much people SF had on EB today? I got rolled by a sea of red names so many times… A “Sea of Sorrows”.

It is what it is bro, not afraid to admit that people saw this match and came in droves…Fairweathers are fairweathers (every server has ‘em) and people have been asking for map completion etc, all day long, so there’s not doubt we are drawing a crowd that isn’t always around.

Couple that with the fact that the scarlet farm is reduced, and you get the formula for some heavy SF zerging.

As far as the ‘big unskilled mass’ those are likely pugs/PVE guilds. Our WvW groups will usually be recognized and are fairly well organized.

SteelEclipse.3614:

Wow, SF is so awesome!

I heard SF commanders are so awesome—she tried to enter our tower instead got ram burned?

- SF commanders like to get ram burnt.

Even more interesting is your lack of opening chests, and apparent need to hide your utility skills.

They must be OP.

Buzzcrave.6197:

King Amadaeus.8619:

They could have easily made mats drop from players only, and made them not drop at all from PVE mobs.

Thus encouraging more pvp-oriented encounters in WvW, but they didn’t. So what does that tell you about your designers?

Although this may sound good but it will be unfair to lower tier server due to the low population will make it harder for them to get the mats.

Oh you mean like badges of honor? Oh wait….There is no issue getting those on lower tiers either.

RoyHarmon.5398:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Time to beat a dead horse:

I can hit 5 people at a time, 50 people can all hit me at once. Put in a defensive AoE cap to offset the the offensive one, and reduce skill calculations immensely.

I wonder what that would do to world bosses… Or keep lords, for that matter.

There are world bosses in WvW?

Also the cap could easily be applied to players vs players only.

SuicideByTaco.5408:

It’s nice too see new faces in HoD a few IoJ has just transferred here I have no idea what sort of drama is going on there but apparently some of ur xfers from GoM raged them off ur server u guys need to sort it out over there id hate to see another Anvil Rock take place : (

#notsurprised2013

Hoots.9564:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Chris.3290:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Wake me up when someone on T6-8 gets 250k (without transferring).

In all seriousness, grats on the achievement.

Got to give some cred, wasn’t SoR in a low tier when TW joined them?

Even given the massive average kill counts that TW and the rest of SoR rack up, the amount of game time must be absurd.

Not in the last 9 months:
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/32
Unless you count T2 as low.

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/4

That’s when we roughly joined SoR. Was around Oct.10ish of last year, millenium does not have history of the match up.

Point taken sir. But mine still stands, which is that the higher the tier, the more of the enemy. Thus the more of the tags, and kill count.

Still a great achievement, just notably easier to do with more opportunities.

Chris.3290:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Wake me up when someone on T6-8 gets 250k (without transferring).

In all seriousness, grats on the achievement.

Got to give some cred, wasn’t SoR in a low tier when TW joined them?

Even given the massive average kill counts that TW and the rest of SoR rack up, the amount of game time must be absurd.

Not in the last 9 months:
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/32
Unless you count T2 as low.

Obscure One.4357:

Actually wont work out this way. Your not factoring in the “snowball effect”. Glicko handicap or not lower tier servers are going to get beat down. As they consistently get beat by superior adherence to the siege/zerg meta they’re going to stop fighting. Once a server is demoralized its just the roamers and die-hard-try-hards left and they don’t play for PPT, they measure success in loot bags and the tears of scrubs. Once that snowball gets rolling, it’s already over for the losing server.

Glicko isn’t going to encourage a lower tier server to keep getting their faces caved in when the server blobs roll over them in every engagement. All they’re going to do is rack up a massive repair bill and then go play PvE to make up their losses…or just quit playing and do something entertaining with their free time.

So long as Dev-on-a-budget Carver is in charge there’s no saving WvW from it’s inevitable demise. Come this Q4 season the mode will gradually become a ghost town on nearly every server, and be near dead by Christmas.

This guy gets it, totally.

#Golfclap

Time to beat a dead horse:

I can hit 5 people at a time, 50 people can all hit me at once. Put in a defensive AoE cap to offset the the offensive one, and reduce skill calculations immensely.

Wake me up when someone on T6-8 gets 250k (without transferring).

In all seriousness, grats on the achievement.

I think they should tie the use of Golems (mainly Omegas) to the score, in that you have to be losing by __ amount to be able to build/use them. While I do not put any merit in the PPT/score; even I admit it is ridiculous to see servers with 500ppt running around with 6-10 omegas capping everything in sight, while their enemies fight with the outmanned buff.

Atherakhia.4086:

I don’t understand why they don’t just remove the PPT system all together. Taking a keep gives points. Defending a keep gives more. No players around to take the keep? No one gets points. No players around to defend the keep? The attackers don’t get much. A team holding their frontier could potentially have more points than the opposing team that had the rest of the world simply because they defended what they had from attackers.

Would this encourage tower flipping? Maybe. More than the current ascended mats do? I doubt it.

I suggested a while back a system of capped points, in lieu of the current PPT system.

Like I have been saying, and it is my opinion but I think its valid:

ANET gave little thought to WvW in terms of realistic scoring issues. So essentially you got a week-long PVP match with with siege to use on the walls/gates protecting the circles.

Seriously, if you have every played PVP in this game the most successful groups (points wise) are those that make a conscientious effort to hold as many caps as they can for as long as they can. The problem I have with it, is that it starts to be more about “objective capping/holding” and less about PVP.

Likewise WvW suffers from the same issue(s), with the biggest difference being that the match last for much longer (1-week vs 500pts), therefore the population/participation differences are much greater.

My solution is for people to stop caring about PPT and stop treating it like its actually a metric to measure anything other than coverage/population.

They could have easily made mats drop from players only, and made them not drop at all from PVE mobs.

Thus encouraging more pvp-oriented encounters in WvW, but they didn’t. So what does that tell you about your designers?

Siege wars 2 dawg, because utility skills were too confusing for the casual masses.

Dopamine.7502:

The solution is very easy. Transfer to a low pop server and you wont even know what skill lag is.

True, but only to an extent…18th ranked NA server (of 24 total) and we get it from time to time, much more so on the weekends during heavy playtimes.

DevonCarver.5370:

Oroibahazopi.9074:

Well I’d rather have it being playable and slowed down than lagged out and not having any skills work.

Only thing that changes is you have more time to react, it doesn’t “gum” it up. Right now you can’t react at all in large fights because you can’t activate skills I know which I prefer. Also more reaction time only really nerfs the mindless aoe spam, direct instantaneous attacks will be just as dangerous.

You know which you prefer out of the system as it exists now and some system you’ve made up in your head. Obviously the one you’ve dreamed up is one you like more, but the real implementation of it would have a host of problems you haven’t mentioned. When we have a solution that is better than the current system, we’ll get it in, but all of the things we have tried so far have been no better than the status quo.

All due respect, but I would rather be casting skills at 25-50% rate, and have them actually work.

It would be better than just auto-attacking until we die, which is what happens now. Nothing like pounding on your #6 key and seeing nothing happen, while your HP slow drains away.

KMoney.2543:

fooey.5824:

Got PPT?

Dat perfect map

Getting those last few camps to stay green was like a game of whac-a-mole!

Gratz

FrozenHydra.7608:

Crimson Magdelana.9024:

Much respect to VLK for the GvG’s. The portals had me thrown off the first two matches, definitely gave us something to contemplate.

Too bad the whole “trick them into blowing all their stability” doesn’t really work against 6 guardians… :P

The amount of Guardians and Ele’s in that GvG….we had a good time watching.

ArkAngel.7940:

SF, where were you last week?

All in wvw during reset.

Next question.

Fun week all and all guys and gals.

Plenty of fights to find with so many people, wish their could have been more for all of us but since ANET doesn’t have the game engine or tech to keep up with all of the WvW demand they roll out PVE goldmines to keep people out of WvW.

(just kidding about ANET, not really but maybe….)

#wvwconsiparaceh2013

Bllade.1029:

Grimno.6172:

It’s been some pretty fun fights this week.
Though this week our numbers for DH have been lacking… don’t even recall ever having a que for EB like usual, and when I ask in TS what’s going on, where our guys are, they tell me
“Farming gold”
Last night we had the guys finally show up and that night was DH kicking butt left and right, busting down SF, knocking back HoD, but then once they go back to gold farming then we lose our BL, lol.

Though from what I’ve seen, I do have some advice for all servers.

Darkhaven – Use… the ****ing.. .CANNONS. SM has cannons on the third floor. When we lost the Fortified SM yesterday, someone on that cannon probably could have prevented it. But no one ever uses the cannons. I say this because… this is at least the 10th time I’ve seen this happen. Also… if an enemy is attacking something, give an estimate on how many, so we know how to respond.
We need better communication! Was how we lost a few tier 3 towers in our LL.

Henge of Denravi – Need to work a bit on keeping their members in line, can give the server a bad name as shown with Sinester up there. This week with what was going on in the forums made me feel that HoD was the CoD server.

Sorrows Furnace – I’m gonna be honest here. From when we fought you guys weeks ago, you were much stronger then. Not sure what happened since then, but you guys really have dropped in quality. Usually I see you guys acting like vultures now, pecking at whichever is doing the worst at the time to try and score points. And when you do have the power to take towers and keeps, you instead run around as just one large blob that takes things slowly, or get repealed. (Example – Klovan, Jerrifers)
Lastly… STOP… WASTING… GOLEMS! I’m not saying “Muahahah! You cannot take our keeps!” No, not that. Outside WC near the start of the week a lone Omega at full health just started waltzing around the sentry between WC and SM… and had 2 people with it who then ran off… and then the Omega got swarmed and destroyed!
Stop doing that. Keep track of your golems.

Anyone else thinking the same thing I am about this entire comment?

[sarcasm]That taking this guy’s advice is priority one tomorrow?[/sarcasm]

Brigg.3961:

Havvik Nightseeker.3485:

so i wasent going to join the “nice bag NUBSSS LAWL” train in this thread but i have to share this because of what King has posted.

if SF is truly into fair fights and no siege for combat..then isnt 2 acs and an omega golem plus 15 sf a little..well..overkill for 5 VSL and a pug? i mean once the omega died you all died but….<3

also yes i yoloed in for the screenshot. i think i made it out alive though..

love
the laggy asura guardian in the t3 cultural

p.s excuse my settings on low. poopy hotel internet <3

Eh, I wouldn’t take what only a few “noble” SF kids say. The ones that don’t post here are just like anyone else and use siege. I’ll always find it funny when folks try to put some kind of dark light on the use of siege, especially when they don’t speak for everyone. The ones that don’t like siege are the ones who like to think they can 1vX, and are the first ones to run away.

Most of SF, I’ve found, play exactly how everyone else plays, which was completely evident this morning in their BL. We painted it red, they eventually got enough support to roll some zergs and take back their keeps with siege and golems a-plenty. WvW is WvW, regardless of what a select few like to post.

One difference is that some people take things back, and defend things because “that is what you do”.

But whilst you were judging some on SF as “kids”, I think you failed to realize sir that what was said was essentially:

“We are not going to argue over PPT, and treat it like it is the only important thing”.

Nor do most people on SF consider “winning in PPT”, to be winning. It is a fairly simple and standard thought process, that as you and others pointed out is shared by some but not all.

Case in point: I just had someone tell me last week that we were “gaining rating”, so obviously in their eyes this is what they deem as “winning”. Many people have a different definition, and none of them are wrong. The point is, that more and more week in-week out, are coming around toward the “don’t worry over PPT, it will be whatever it will be” mindset.

melodey.4652:

King Amadaeus.8619:

melodey.4652:

Oh hey King Amadaeus has entered the house. Yay this thread might get more interesting.
Miss the old you, SF. The pre-morale-crushed SF was still my favorite server to play against. sry bout that, Dark Isle of Janthaven says hi from our honeymoon. <3

My dear girl, morale is not crushed. Morale is not tied to PPT, that is a zerglings myth. When you get a chance, take a look at the rest of the postings in the WvW threads (outside of matchup ones), more and more people everyday care less about PPT.

Morale might be bad on a server like AR where they are spawn camped during matches, morale on SF is fine because our aim is to have fun and find some good fights. The things that contribute to PPT (Towers, keeps, etc), are more incidental to the task.

Did I get it right

Remember DH has been there too, dearest boy Amadaeus. Same with every server south of Ebay. Kudos for the fights though.

Nice pic, but I feel like I should “let the cat out of the bag” on ya…I mean you do realize that we are essentially as high “ranked” as we ever have been in the recent (2013) history right? Or did that reality escape your hastily made attempt at a pot shot?

http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/history/64

Well I guess we fell one spot (17-18) So I mean, uhhhmmm…Well if you want to think we are in a “downswing” (given the last few weeks I would have called it an upswing). Whereas the mighty DH has climbed a shocking 2 places from 16-14. But don’t let little things like facts, and rational evidence get in your way. Feel free to make more pics I guess lil lady.

Have fun out there kiddo! Don’t stop trying to troll me, cause I think its simply adorable.

:P

melodey.4652:

Oh hey King Amadaeus has entered the house. Yay this thread might get more interesting.
Miss the old you, SF. The pre-morale-crushed SF was still my favorite server to play against. sry bout that, Dark Isle of Janthaven says hi from our honeymoon. <3

My dear girl, morale is not crushed. Morale is not tied to PPT, that is a zerglings myth. When you get a chance, take a look at the rest of the postings in the WvW threads (outside of matchup ones), more and more people everyday care less about PPT.

Morale might be bad on a server like AR where they are spawn camped during matches, morale on SF is fine because our aim is to have fun and find some good fights. The things that contribute to PPT (Towers, keeps, etc), are more incidental to the task.

Dear ANET,

Please nerf stuffs I hate or that annoy me. Please buff stuff that I like or supplements my playstyle.

Yours Truly,

Casual Gamer

Creaky.8596:

scootshoot.6583:

Do you know how to code cause I wager changes of this nature will be a huge timesink..

A huge timesink is paying developers to make temporary content and then purging it from the game a month later. Which is worse?

Random thought, when they had that vote for the NPC patch a while back…Did they have to program two sets of scenarios in case either won? I did not keep up with it too much, but if so talk about a huge timesink…Program one whole scenario knowing it wasn’t going to possibly even be implemented.

PVP=Stand in a circle to cap it, hold the most circles to win the match.
WvW=Use siege to access circles, stand in circles to cap, hold the most to win the match.

R.i.p. players killing players, welcome to the era of the PPT watchers.

Given the amount of money that we profit from WvW, I would say that many things should be purchased with some type of WvW currency. Because we are already so far behind the PVE’ers in terms of cash-flow it is ridiculous. WvW is still a huge gold sink for people that buy upgrades, etc.

lunyboy.8672:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Silas Drake.8946:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Silas Drake.8946:

Man, you know this thread is dull when half the post are from the same screwball and not even on a second page yet.

Yeah and essentially from only 1-2 servers….Our apologies but SF refuses to discuss and/or argue over things like:

“Golem rushed your bay!!1111!!”
“I capped your tower!”
“PPT”
“Whose winning”

We are enjoying the fights, and the outmanned buffs. Have had fun so far this week. Well when we are not dodging AC fire from everything…But that is to be expected at these tiers.

Had a blast commanding in EB yesterday evening, even turtled up Durios a few times, until SE got too organized for us and wiped us out. Ninja’d it back later though so “world kept on spinning”. Had some great fights, and then later on DH/HoD BLs with my thief just roaming.

My only request is less “Siege Wars 2” more open field fights guys.

Or like “they only know how to siege”. I feel ya brah, hard being so classy.

\o/ 2nd page.

Yeah one day in the future the people that are still playing this game will realize how much siege ruined the game…And all 5 of them will probably quit too.

Now that you have dropped a little, are there less groupies?

SF doesn’t get mass transfers, just 1-2 people here and there. And usually a few leave, a few come, some come back some stay gone.

Every server has more people if they are first in the PPT, just the nature of the casual way this game was designed.

PVE is our biggest threat, hard to blame them when ANET makes is a huge gold farm every hour for 45minutes…Beyond that we are fine.

Durian.5419:

Uhm…if you see a dead person who isn’t releasing, in light armor…instead of running around looking for the thief, why not stand on top of the corpse, swinging a weapon. I’ve done that for ten minutes before.

Pile flame ram prints on them is funny too.

Silas Drake.8946:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Silas Drake.8946:

Man, you know this thread is dull when half the post are from the same screwball and not even on a second page yet.

Yeah and essentially from only 1-2 servers….Our apologies but SF refuses to discuss and/or argue over things like:

“Golem rushed your bay!!1111!!”
“I capped your tower!”
“PPT”
“Whose winning”

We are enjoying the fights, and the outmanned buffs. Have had fun so far this week. Well when we are not dodging AC fire from everything…But that is to be expected at these tiers.

Had a blast commanding in EB yesterday evening, even turtled up Durios a few times, until SE got too organized for us and wiped us out. Ninja’d it back later though so “world kept on spinning”. Had some great fights, and then later on DH/HoD BLs with my thief just roaming.

My only request is less “Siege Wars 2” more open field fights guys.

Or like “they only know how to siege”. I feel ya brah, hard being so classy.

\o/ 2nd page.

Yeah one day in the future the people that are still playing this game will realize how much siege ruined the game…And all 5 of them will probably quit too.

Celle.2716:

GW2 has the best performance of all MMo´s on the market. compared to the launch of GW2, it´s night and day. 100+ players and the game runs very well for me. No lag on invasion what so ever. the overall performance gets better every month.

complaining about nothing in my opinion.

With all due respect it is a very large issue, one that you seem to know nothing about. No offense to you, but you must be playing solely on a BL in the lowest tier in history.

Even in NA T8 we got skill lag on 3-way SM fights. True, it doesn’t occur on a day-to-day basis on the lower tiers, but the game is basically unplayable when it does occur.

Delete downed state, it caters to dreamers and PVE’ers; obviously you got downed for a reason. Do not lean on a crappy mechanic to try and “win”. If you down me, I consider that a loss to me. (Assuming there are no PVE mobs to tag; I do likes a good troll)

Silas Drake.8946:

Man, you know this thread is dull when half the post are from the same screwball and not even on a second page yet.

Yeah and essentially from only 1-2 servers….Our apologies but SF refuses to discuss and/or argue over things like:

“Golem rushed your bay!!1111!!”
“I capped your tower!”
“PPT”
“Whose winning”

We are enjoying the fights, and the outmanned buffs. Have had fun so far this week. Well when we are not dodging AC fire from everything…But that is to be expected at these tiers.

Had a blast commanding in EB yesterday evening, even turtled up Durios a few times, until SE got too organized for us and wiped us out. Ninja’d it back later though so “world kept on spinning”. Had some great fights, and then later on DH/HoD BLs with my thief just roaming.

My only request is less “Siege Wars 2” more open field fights guys.

Delete downed state, you already lost rally bot. Either tag a PVE mob or accept your fate.

I think the title should be changed from:

50 “Tier 1” WvW wins

to

50 Tier 1 WvW “wins”

Conditions definitly seem to be the flavor build of the month. But honestly reading through some of the postings in this thread makes me wonder if people think they should be able to cleanse every condition all the time.

I mean I keep seeing things like:
“Conditions can be re-applied too quickly”, “can’t keep them cleansed”

I mean 25 stacks of confusion is a big problem granted, but you should be built to walk around with 5 stacks of bleed and 1 stack of poison. On my toons I do not even bother cleansing them anymore. I just save the CD for something major like Confusion stacks, or Torment, or both coupled with 10 other conditions.

If not then you will be hurting in WvW these days for sure lol.

ukuni.8745:

Thedenofsin.7340:

Bura of Pacra.1589:

And just like most 1v1 situations, this rune set is pretty much moot in a zerg vs. zerg battle.

Epidemic says hi.

i really want to see a 25 confusion epidemic, lets get a group of engineers mesmers and necros together with runes of perplexity and condition spam zergs to doom

Hammer warrior bailing off into the zerg has a similar effect. AoE stuns, Stomp, even Rampager elite. It is pretty fun.

I think it’s time we all came to terms with the fact that ANET simply cannot, for whatever reason (manpower, technology, game engine, etc) fix many of these problems. They are an inherent part of the game, and the “we are working to improve things” just keeps people holding out for something that is never going to really happen.

I am sure they will make some tweaks, but in the end, if three servers pile into SM at a peak time: Count on pressing 1.

Zikory.6871:

Its funny how many T1 haters there are…Everyone says play the game so its fun, unless you’re in T1, then you’re a bandwagoner and wrong…

Gratz Cuddlepie, hopefully there will be many more wins in our future and great fights to accompany them!

For the record I personally don’t hate T1 people. I also usually do not buy into the “server stacking” argument for the most part.

With the massive population loss that mid and lower tiers receive with PVE gold farm updates, I can pretty much see why people would want to stack in a server that was stacked with people that enjoy WvW as a primary style of gameplay.

What I do not care for is people that watch and obsess over the PPT/Scoreboard in general. What happens on Friday just before reset is more about which server had the better population coverage at which times etc. While some people enjoy this, the big picture is that:

A. You didn’t win anything except maybe bragging rights that your WvW dedication (IE: coverage) was the best that particular week.
B. There is no direct correlation between skill and who wins, you can get your butt kicked during NA prime but hold everything after people sleep and climb the PPT charts.

Not saying that in the sense of a “gripe” or that either way is right or wrong, if watching PPT is your thing then so be it. But it is just time people realize that ANET made WvW into a week long sPVP match in terms of scoring, so essentially you are saying “I capped and held the most objectives this week”. Whereas many people would rather say: “look how much butt we kicked this week, we smashed them every time we faced them”.

Shoe.5821:

but all it does in that case is delay things it makes no difference

one time in ten a warrior last stand might make a difference but otherwise? no.

and honestly 1v1s are pretty rare in WvW anyway.

Only way your downed skills would have helped you win is if the stomper had been a really, really bad player.

Not so. Whether or not downed skills help you is completely dependent on the stomper’s hp, the class of the downed player, and whether or not the stomper is using one of aforementioned skills to make the stomp. It’s fair to point a finger at stealth stomps because thieves commit virtually no resource to conduct said stomp, whereas most classes at least commit a CD.

Downed skills arn’t intended to ‘win’ anyway, theyre intended to delay while someone helps you up. Or to buy time/finish off a wounded enemy for a rally.

“You were downed, you lost” only makes sense in the context of 1v1 fights.

I think part of the issue is that many people hate the downed state system in its entirety in PVP/WvW. With that in mind I don’t have much of an issue with being stealth stomped or stealth stomping.

1v1s are very common, if you are looking for them.

What else do you expect when a game was designed by casual people for the casual masses, and said masses get killed by someone “not-so-casual”…..

Besides they all know if they whine enough everything will get “adjusted”…It has been proven many times.

The single biggest problem in this game is that there are large groups of people that think they should win every fight. And when they do not, they think surely whatever or whomever beat them is OP.

Delete arrow carts.