Guild Wars 2

gidorah.4960:

if you want a quick fix for the skill lag however you are welcome to transfer to a bronze league server they don’t have it.

Yes they do…We have it every time there is a big fight and there are a lot of those now with all these people on every map for achievements/leagues etc.

Skill lag is an issue that was likely worsened by the removal of culling, and will probably only be “fixed” if they lower the map caps and move more people into the new queue maps they are working on.

Even then anytime you get 25v25v25 you will likely get some skill lag.

Bastien.1645:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Bastien.1645:

Now please go grind PvE to play WvW. We’ve all done it.

Actually, no we have not….

Why not? 180 Laurels and 400g to get 2 Different Weapon crafts ( Weaponsmith + Huntsman/Artificing) is not hard to get. lol

There will always be a huge disconnect between people that think like you do and people that think like I do, so rather than getting into a 1-page discussion about it lets just agree to disagree.

My personal take:

For me personally I WvW 100% of the time, I have ran 2-3 different dungeons total in over a year. I have no interest in PVE, I have 7 toons that each have 3-4 sets of armor/weapons/trinkets etc, much of which was purchased long before the “badge for gear” stuff was really fully implemented. I make comfortable amounts of gold just from WvW, but no where near enough to drop 400g at random for some power, my crafting might be around 300 for some toons and that is directly related to crafting for levels, not for anything else.

The long and short of it is that I do not agree with the power creep, I do not agree with all these “pvpers” that claim to want balance and test their skill yet still are grinding Ascended/guard stacks, but at the end of the day it is just “part of the game”. People can play how they want to, but I refuse to do mind-numbing BS to get a crutch out of it. I would rather just keep killing those crutch users until the time comes that fully ascended everything just gets to OP (if it does), and then find something else to do.

I also have stacks and stacks of the ascended mats, in fact my 2 bank tabs were full of them, I have started trashing them out of necessity now..LOL

Jeknar.6184:

King Amadaeus.8619:

I think your MiniMap is broken sir. Also TS3 servers get attacked just like anything else. We just started using skype, but then it turned into chat roulette so now we are thinking of going to a “tin can and string” method of comms.

Just go for the map chat!

Map Chat is so 2012 bro.

styx.7294:

Servers are a big place and I don’t think any one person knows everything that happens in it.

I certainly feel like I know very lil’ though I had a lot of long conversations with a lot of these guilds and individuals about whatever was on their mind at the time.

They can be smaller than you think, but I know what ya mean.

styx.7294:

King Amadaeus.8619:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

bokkieskitten.8023:

styx.7294:

Calcifer.6238:

Please for the love of GOD come to Anvil Rock and help us. Zero queues on all of the maps and we will love the crap out of you. Most of us are incredibly friendly and WAR/MERC guilds are actively looking for anyone who enjoys wvw and wants an active community in ts.

Also, I am incredibly determined to not come in last place. I will stay up for the entire season flipping crap if that’s what it takes to beat DR.

Anvil Rock are cool guys. Don’t burn yourself out though. It don’t matter what rank you are just that you can find fun.

What do you or GoM know about fun? PFT!!!!

Mister Honeybuns and I are cheering for ET and DR to pull themselves up.

GoM… please tank, crash and burn.

I pop fireworks and kill people in interesting ways because I don’t find throwing hissy fits and stampeding to stacked servers to be very much fun.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnn…..

I hear the GoM voice comms used to be a funny place to be back before the IoJ Exodus.

The guilds/people who transferred were usually not the ones engaged in community as much as others, which included the Teamspeak. Even RISE was a bit isolated due to their timezones (which sadly made it hard to do events with them outside the weekend).

I would be curious (not to judge as much as receive feedback outside of my own) as to why your source would say that because it hasn’t been my experience.

I just heard of some funny “goings on” that supposedly led to certain people leaving (not [RISE])…Not on the server and never have been, but during some previous exchanges on these forums with said people I received some PMs detailing “what really happened.”

Took (and still take) them with a grain of salt, but they were still funny nonetheless, and if they actually occurred even more funny. (Not related to any deaththreats etc, never heard about those nor would I think them funny)

Bastien.1645:

Now please go grind PvE to play WvW. We’ve all done it.

Actually, no we have not….

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

bokkieskitten.8023:

styx.7294:

Calcifer.6238:

Please for the love of GOD come to Anvil Rock and help us. Zero queues on all of the maps and we will love the crap out of you. Most of us are incredibly friendly and WAR/MERC guilds are actively looking for anyone who enjoys wvw and wants an active community in ts.

Also, I am incredibly determined to not come in last place. I will stay up for the entire season flipping crap if that’s what it takes to beat DR.

Anvil Rock are cool guys. Don’t burn yourself out though. It don’t matter what rank you are just that you can find fun.

What do you or GoM know about fun? PFT!!!!

Mister Honeybuns and I are cheering for ET and DR to pull themselves up.

GoM… please tank, crash and burn.

I pop fireworks and kill people in interesting ways because I don’t find throwing hissy fits and stampeding to stacked servers to be very much fun.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnn…..

I hear the GoM voice comms used to be a funny place to be back before the IoJ Exodus.

WarLord.8430:

Fun fights last night, to those that say IoM cant fight open field!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEd8sf2aaNg

Also to those people that posted thinking that its ET or DH kittening with your Mumble server you are very wrong, go check with your service provider or switch to teamspeak or something, ET dont stoop that low so no need to worry about us.

I think your MiniMap is broken sir. Also TS3 servers get attacked just like anything else. We just started using skype, but then it turned into chat roulette so now we are thinking of going to a “tin can and string” method of comms.

I have tons of mats, just no desire to stand at a crafting station flushing time/money down the toilet for a stat boost.

I think it is funny you have all these people who scream for real PvP in WvW, then you see some of those same guild tags running Ascended weapons, with full Guard Stacks.

This game is facerollingly easy to play and most people just want it that much more easier…So no ascendeds will never leave WvW, in fact I expect another gear treadmill to be implemented within the next 6 months.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

@Tongku tl;dr

j/k. I read it. Thank you for sharing the COSA history. Basically SF = COSA. Got it!

Resistance is futile….

You WILL BE assimilated….

Oh baby. I will assimilate with you anytime.

Haa…Well played.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

@Tongku tl;dr

j/k. I read it. Thank you for sharing the COSA history. Basically SF = COSA. Got it!

Resistance is futile….

You WILL BE assimilated….

Tongku.5326:

Resistance is futile …..
You will be assimilated …..

That has been my recruitment line 100% of the time…And my success rate is 99% of the time 100% of the time.

I fully endorse this textwall 99.99% with 150% of my being. I rep CoSA 99% of the 50% of the time I play this game.

Craig.2403:

bokunocarrie.7215:

Craig.2403:

bokunocarrie.7215:

clint.5681:

Meh WvW is for pvp not jumping. You really cant get mad at people for setting a trap for people just trying to get AP.

Hmmm. Let’s think about this.

They put a jumping puzzle in WvW. They made achievements for all four jumping puzzles in WvW.

Doesn’t matter if WvW is for pvp, you can get mad at people for being kittens in JPs. Not just people though, SF have always been camping out in JPs looking for easy kills.

They also put in an achievement for kills in WvW, and the jumping puzzle is going to be a great place to farm easy kills. The jumping puzzles were put in WvW to let people have fun trying to get off while there were literally live forces at work against you. ANet PURPOSEFULLY allowed pvp in the WvW jumping puzzles to make it more fun. Don’t get mad at people for playing the game the way ANet designed it

Sorry, I can’t hear you over all the bullkitten spewing out of your mouth.

It’s called being considerate. Especially considering there are PvE people in there who aren’t familiar with WvW and look to other people for help. I know there’s an achievements for kills. I’m active in both WvW and PvE and the only time I’ve ever attacked anyone in a WvW JP is when I was attacked first. For the most part, people are nice in WvW JPs. The only server I’ve ever seen attack people in a JP is (whoa, big shocker) SF.

Bottom line – it’s being considerate. And FYI? Jumping puzzles aren’t exactly easy. So to attack people while they’re trying to do it is just you being an kitten. Stop trying to defend your actions.

#1: I’m from ET. Read before you post angrily
#2: If a person parties me and asks politely to go because they just want the achievement I’ll let them go
#3: If I’m attacked I will fight back. If I die more than once I will call friends. If I still die I will wait half an hour and come back. None of these require complaining on the forums, and is much more productive.
#4: Who ever said I was trying to defend my actions? I never camp jumping puzzles. You’d know that if you actually paid attention to anything I said and read my post.
#5: Yes, for the most part people are nice, but that doesn’t change the fact that the jumping puzzles were put in there for the reasons I stated. Some people actually find it fun to try to get past jp campers. Like I said before, which you apparently didn’t read: there’s a reason ANet allowed fighting in the WvW jumping puzzles, and why after a year after a bunch of people like you complaining, there’s still fighting allowed in there.
#6: If you don’t like people camping the jumping puzzles, DON’T DO THEM. You think it’s a requirement to do them? If you don’t like a part of the game just don’t do it.
#7: Just because you’re getting your kills one way, it doesn’t mean everyone else should get them that way too. Some people don’t like zerging, which is the fastest way to get kills. So instead they take easy kills in the jp.
#8: The WvW jumping puzzles aren’t actually that hard. If you really want the achievement and can’t get it by yourself cause of campers, I’ll port you up. But seriously, stop complaining because people are playing the game the way it was designed.

Shots fired, ET on ET violence.

Jek can we a get a pic of how that would look please sir?

Less PVE in WvW please.

Mouse.4391:

Not sure if Laughable or slightly angry….

Better to laugh brother, else there is 50 people patiently waiting to “UMADBRO?!”.

Zumy.6318:

Please tell us what is happening. It laggs everywhere, it is terrible, it is not enjoyable.
You need to start telling us what is happening seriously. People are leaving this game for good.
What is broken now? when will it get fixed?

Something is definitely up, my guess was/is the increased load from Leagues…I am in Bronze and it has been pretty bad/noticeable down here too. (not sure where OP plays)

Mouse.4391:

Yeah it was fun, I pulled a Engi off 3 times in a row

He had some stamina to keep coming back for more then I guess, well done sir/madam.

Couple in the removal of culling, the increased Metas of Conditions and Buff stacking and BOOM goes the dynamite.

Mouse.4391:

Thanks DH for letting me pull some of you off the keep wall at Overlook

DH got pulled off by an ET?

Zylonite.5913:

The skill lag in WvW is not Anet’s fault. It is a core latency problem in distributed system and latency between network nodes and the client/server side.

Be glad that there is a game that allows 300 people on one map from 2-3 different continents all a the same time. Even a normal multiplayer game with 16 players on the map has lag on a 100Mbits network and dedicated servers.

So try to enjoy the game because the skill lag on a full queued map is not going to be fixed and it out of any software developer.

Except for the fact ANET has already taken the blame and admitted it is their fault…

I personally look for them to reduce the Map Caps in an effort to reduce the skill lag issues, likely after the new “overflow” maps go live.

Mouse.4391:

I’m calling Shenanigans on this one!

I have used that spot before, not fun when ACs are raining trying to get up there to build, but is nice to stay out of AC sight (somewhat)…

All I am hearing is “head to the JP for free kills”, but then again people that know me from Mumble understand I might hear stuff wrong a lot.

#didsomeonesaysomethingaboutOneDirection?

Jeknar.6184:

Runamok.9638:

How many people does CoSA have in its wings, branches, cabinets, sub-committees, and special boards? Sapphire, SoCo, Shiny, Slaphappy, kittenty, and what other S’s I am forgetting about. kitten has to operate like the Federal Gubbamint with all those people. Honestly the only tag I worry about on SF is CoSA and its because I know a whole bureaucracy full is bound to show up any time with its inane rules, special sub-section 6.1.3.a of master record 32 FTW, and gum up the whole works to the point you forgot why you even went to that objective. Even with the full bureaucracy full of people I don’t think I have seen them run as a guild only group, its always with PUGS like foreign indignitaries, Japanese pop stars, former North Korean Leaders, and last time I swear I saw Fidel Castro up in that mega-blob. With that many people its hard to tell who is naughty or nice in amongst their ranks, its just seas of red. Ohhhh well I guess its great I don’t have a conscious I like taking advantage of that lumbering bureaucracy and make away with stacks and stacks of bags.

-brotha

If I recall right, it’s 3 guilds… Sapphire, Scarlet and ‘Somenthing-I-Can’t-Spell’. So I’d assume it’s between 1000-1500. But i doubt they have 10% of that actually playing WvW at same time.

Sapphire, Scarlet, and Shamrock (Blue, Red , Green).

Numbers depend on the night of the week, and what we have planned. Could be 15-20 could be 50+. Resets we normally have more than 50 once we get rolling (1-2hrs after actual reset).

We do have the ability to queue a map, as tested and confirmed last Friday night. Beyond organized guild activities in WvW we are made up of Roamers, PPT-Gazers, Zerglings, and dedicated PUG-Commander followers.

We also like to chase squirrels.

Runamok.9638:

melodey.4652:

Runamok.9638:

On a more series note, DH has gotta have the lamest forum presence in all of NA. They will get assigned to the Tin League once Forum Warrrioring Season opens up.

-brotha

I honestly think even our classic forum warriors were carebears at heart. DH PvF forever 3rd.
I miss you jaxx. Hope you’re still wooing all those ladies somewhere.. out there…
And everyone else ran off to greener pastures**.

**keep spending gems until you find said green-est perfect pastures plz and thank u ~luf anet.

Also, this is the first time Darkhaven and Eredon Terrace have ever met. Hai. It’s been a pleasure. Too bad SF keeps butting into our growing relationship. I’ve been trying to get to know you better but I think there’s about 8,000,000 CoSA who would rather skip the pleasantries and get straight to the mowing over to get to our keep lords.

How many people does CoSA have in its wings, branches, cabinets, sub-committees, and special boards? Sapphire, SoCo, Shiny, Slaphappy, kittenty, and what other S’s I am forgetting about. kitten has to operate like the Federal Gubbamint with all those people. Honestly the only tag I worry about on SF is CoSA and its because I know a whole bureaucracy full is bound to show up any time with its inane rules, special sub-section 6.1.3.a of master record 32 FTW, and gum up the whole works to the point you forgot why you even went to that objective. Even with the full bureaucracy full of people I don’t think I have seen them run as a guild only group, its always with PUGS like foreign indignitaries, Japanese pop stars, former North Korean Leaders, and last time I swear I saw Fidel Castro up in that mega-blob. With that many people its hard to tell who is naughty or nice in amongst their ranks, its just seas of red. Ohhhh well I guess its great I don’t have a conscious I like taking advantage of that lumbering bureaucracy and make away with stacks and stacks of bags.

-brotha

CoSA would like to offer you a spot in our cabinet, our current positions open are:

“Topless Rum Dispenser”
“Someone to Laugh at Elders Fart Noises”
“Someone to Make fun of Robot and Alcott” (in case no one else is on)
“Someone to Troll Banjo (both map and in mumble)” (If I am not on)
“Guild Leader of CoSA Green” (3rd guild)
“Guild Leader of CoSA Yellow” (4th guild)
“Guild Leader of Baghaven” [BAGS]
“Guild Leader of “Eredon Terrace Sounds Like a Nice Trailer Park” [BOOZ]
“Prime Minister of Fancy”
“Supreme Overlord of PVE”
“Zergmagerd Sternmerst Raid Leader”
“Marshall Bodkin’s Bodyguard”
“Personal Supply Vendor to Katie” (because she never gets supply in our huge zergs)
“Designated Random Light Field General” (to mess up our fire fields constantly)
“420 Timelord” (So SHONUFF will know when its time to “take a break”)
“Secretary of Alcott (Name generation division)” We are running out of “cott” names
“Special Adviser of Field Treb Placement” (Position reports directly to Nornite)

Please let us know if any of these positions interest you!

bokunocarrie.7215:

On another note, nice to see that CoSA is still classy as ever…

Show me on the doll where one of our 700+members touched you and we will get right to policing all of them. (Assuming it was something that needs to be policed)

/dance
/laugh
/point

I tell you what…I really have to laugh at my fellow bronze leaguers taking joy in the T1 folks misery…

The only people that are worse than “stackers/winners” in T1 are the people in the bronze league that constantly moan about the “stackers/winners”…Seriously it is old hat, you guys are almost laying in wait to bash people for joining big servers that enjoy WvW….

Frankly I am glad they are all stacked “up there”, if anything they are making our (lower tiers) quality of life better because they have not transferred down yet and queued all of our maps. I am not even being remotely sarcastic. I have played on several servers now (NSP, ET, SF, BG, JQ, over the last year), I would much rather be on a lower tier and need players than have players and not be able to play (due to queues or the horrendous skill lag they have).

Runamok.9638:

On a more series note, DH has gotta have the lamest forum presence in all of NA. They will get assigned to the Tin League once Forum Warrrioring Season opens up.

-brotha

All their forum warriors transferred off I heard….They used to have some good ones, I made a guild called Baghaven [BAGS] back when we first faced them (they used to have some crazy huge pug zergs), they had a good time with that….Some of them even put it (Baghaven) in their sigs on these forums, pretty funny people really.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

“Do you smell what The Rock is cooking?”

1.Hulk Hogan
2.The Rock
3. Everyone else….

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Remus.1270:

Hai everyone

High!!

Wazzzzzzzzzzup??

(Are we not doing that anymore, is it not 1999?)

Sir Tripsalot.1803:

Runamok.9638:

Shademehr.1397:

ptitminou.6489:

That would only have been more fun without the skill lag. Not saying we would have taken garrison, but it would have made the fights that much more fun and might have made the 29-golem rush a success since no one could get their skills off.

Lots of us were having the exact same problem, so I doubt the outcome would have been any different. This matchup is the first time I’ve ever experienced skill lag. I think it all may have just eventually turned into a big “smash #1 fest” for a bunch of us.

ptitminou.6489:

My opinion is you should have let it go and gone hit other targets for PPT since now you basically managed to get 2 of the biggest SF zerg teams to work together for a while which proves to everyone involved that it can make things happen. But I guess that 25 points really has a lot of sentimental value to you guys.

What can I say…we’re a scrappy lot. Thank goodness you weren’t in charge of our defense.

We’ve pretty much been dealing with massive (and I mean MASSIVE) SF zergs (sometimes 2+) in our BL plus some pretty decently sized DH zergs simultaneously. I think ET has done a pretty stellar job holding it together vs. a couple of servers that were ranked higher than us.

Win or lose this round, I think ET can be proud of what we’ve done so far.

Sounds like I missed a great night. The week for ET definitely has been a defensive scramble on all fronts. Spent the entire day yesterday responding to one crisis after another hoping back and forth from ET to EB. Our nimbleness makes up for our lack of pure force. Keep your heads up ET.

On another note, how does one NOT take Garrison with 29 golems. Really? I wish I was there on TS laughing my kitten off. Skill lag or not sounds like a colossal failure of epic proportions. I would quite commanding entirely if I put that kind of fail on the field or transfer servers. I hope someone built a shame ram on that commanders dead body once it was all over.

-brotha

Well we melted the gates pretty easily, but when we got to the lords room the skill lag was so bad that none of the golems’ skills worked, not even the 1 skill. So the skill lag turned our army of death machines into golem death traps.

Yep I been playing my Engie all weekend, and was there for the first wave at the garrison…The skill lag was ridiculous, being an engie with skill lag is GG.

Interestingly enough, as ET downed some Golems I noticed it got a bit better, at least enough that Ararius (Robot) and I were able to fight our way out of the Lords room and back to the inner gate with an angry mob in tow.

Increased skill lag is the price you (we) payed for removing culling, others have said it, and it does seem to be true.

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

All I know is that Shonuff actually posted!!

Thats a different SHONUFF I think.

Fight night was fun, (posing kinda late I know but I been busy and whatnot) had a good time polishing the dust off my Mesmer somewhat.

Good fights with BS, wish a few more Yaks would have showed (other than the PD folks who were awesome).

quickflash.6314:

Ya SF I think you guys need to start from square 1 and rebuild your WvW.

I mean just looking at what you guys are saying on the forums here, I dont think it is just numbers that is your guys problem.

Start getting people to work together.

The guy who said we did that and we didnt coordinate. Seriously you are proud of that. Also we had a mesmer tracking that group near valley. Most of us were fighting the SF troops at garrison and the ET blob (nice to see that btw).

Start working together then you can kitten about numbers.

This is the same thing that happens to every server. they qq about numbers / skill whatever. This one doesnt want to listen to that one. You guys should try manning the kitten up and deciding to work together.

Inless this happens i dont see anything to good coming from SF.

I look forward to your posts in your silver league matchup thread, maybe I can quote some of your sage wisdom and help you in your likely time of need.

While I appreciate your advice (if it is genuine) the issues we are discussing here (on this public forum) are really more of a “nagging/lingering” variety, more than a server-fracturing variety. And they are ones that many servers have (speaking as someone who has been to a few now).

What you think you are seeing from your side of the WvW, and along the score is really just a server that is sitting back and understanding that we cannot control your numbers. Doesn’t mean we have quit or we are broken, it is just that we have dominated and been dominated enough to understand the situation. Also we always and I mean always experience outmanned issues when new PVE content comes out, couple that with: leagues starting next week (so this week means nothing), new pve content, outmanned matchup, and the fact that the PVE content is an actual event: and you have the perfect storm that you have seen this week.

Now am I saying we would be beating you? Absolutely not, we don’t have the population for it, but what I am saying is this week is in no way a proper representation of our true server.

So we will continue to pick our fights where we choose, enjoy the free pvp at one of your many spawn camps, and wait til next week when things actually matter.

clint.5681:

Yes they have trainings, but the people who need them dont know about them. its not like there is someone in LA or even in EB periodically letting people know about them. I noticed awhile ago that some commanders have stopped tagging up to let these newcomers florish. Its good in theory but no one is there actually helping them learn.

I would think the vet commanders would try to give them advice but all i see is them not tagging up and effectively letting the newer commanders run around blindly. We have multiple commanders tagged up within like 10 feet of each other frequently. Its just unorganized. If you have to suppress the kitten out of some commanders then get to suppressing. Im seeing more and more people avoiding EB just because of the sad state of our commanders in there. We have dropped 2 ranks, lost a match last week that could have easily been won. The ranking system is just kittened anyway so in matches like these we lose rank for fighting a server 9 ranks above us. Its obvious you are aware of the problem and im not blaming you or other commanders for our disorganization because it is a community problem. Im just trying to point out that we have to get it together on mutple fronts. I mean before i wrote the SF recruitment post we hadnt had one in how long?

I think you make some very good points, and the people who coordinate those things read these forums, so they will likely see your suggestions…But I will also pass those along tonight.

I personally do not do much “teaching” to the newer commanders because in the past it has been a good way of just catching criticism…Probably not a good reason, but at the end of the day I just (personally) got tired of all the nonsense.

But you are right, myself and some others have probably taken the wrong route in dealing with some of it. I had gotten the point where I was only tagging up in the matches like this because I knew none of the newer/fairweather commanders would likely be doing so because it is pretty tough sledding, and truth be told I have slacked off of even that. (I am speaking about myself not because I think I am “good” just that is the only person I can speak for).

clint.5681:

We dont need to apply T1 tactics we just need a basic level of organization and agreement. Our commanders dont even come close to working together. We dont train our PVE on how to play WvW, so we get alot of PVE commanders running around like chickens with their heads cut off. We have a kittenton of problems that wont magically disappear when the leagues start.

I mean like you said we cant even decide if we are going to use Mumble or TS3. I dont even know the TS info anyway, its not on our site anywhere.

SF has training every week, the problem is that it is the same people that show up every week. They get some new ones here and there and the feedback they normally get is positive. (It all happens after my bedtime but I have poked my head into a few)

As far as PVE commanders go, that is just something that will always happen. It is one of the reasons why several of us on Mumble (before there was a TS3), tried implementing a “general agreement” of not having more than 2-3 tags up on a map at once. (Which was something that I and a few others noticed that the T1 servers did on our stay there)

It worked well for a while, then people started to complain about being “suppressed” from commanding. Some others (myself included) purposely stopped tagging up to let some of the newer folks get some time in. What ended up happening eventually is that (IMO) we regressed back into: Either having too many tags in relation to the people on the map, or not having any tags.

If you guys really want to help the server, the best advice I can give you is showup to the weekly training sessions, help out, or even volunteer to lead one. Get more involved, they have been having those FARM trainings for a very long time now, and they will only work if people participate.

ptitminou.6489:

Eye Mohini.7938:

ptitminou.6489:

And none of it was coordinated.

And that’s WvW as it’s “meant to be played”?

No, that’s the living in the past problem with SF

More coordination is always better, but when you can’t even get people to agree on one VoIP then you can only expect so much.

Also I think too many people misjudge/disagree with what people really want. SF is a casual server, it is not PVE server (that is a crutch that WvW’ers made up back in T8), it is not a WvW server.

It is full of people who like to do a lil WvW, lil PVE, lil sPVP…

I appreciate you guys/gals trying to get everyone more organized, and I think we could use it. But when you look around and we have (legitimately) 2-3 WvW-focused guilds on the entire server, you can only expect so much.

BG/JQ/SoR are the way they are not because of organization, as much as because they have the bodies to throw at the problems. They are not, unorganized by any means, but trying to apply T1 tactics to a T7 server will always be a stretch. Some things will work universally, others will fail miserably.

mrstealth.6701:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Yeah we had 250 people and you guys had 20. (I forgot we have been spawn camping you all week with our superior numbers)

Like I told someone the other day in Guild Chat:

The 1st rule of WvW:

If you lost, you were outmanned…If you won you were outmanned.

I said from pretty much the beginning that we had more people than you guys at first…Then you guys started calling out for help and within 30minutes you vastly outnumbered us. You guys were popping swords on the 3-5 we would have just trying to run back to the tower from spawn.

I don’t mind the disagreement about the numbers, but it is funny to see a server that has laughed all week about their superior tactics, and superior numbers, and superior siege to get so bent out of shape over 40minutes of wiping to a turtled up group of SF.

I don’t know who had more at various points of that fight, but the numbers don’t really matter if the fight is good. And that was certainly a good fight. We both had a lot of people and I’d say the balance shifted a few times, but I think both sides probably had a lot of fun.

You guys did a great job of holding onto that swiss cheese mess of a tower.

I couldn’t agree more, we had fun, glad you guys did as well.

IMO quality of players (obviously varies), but can be somewhat tied to the “size of the server”.

People are talking quality in terms of 1v1’s usually, or some similar small-man combat. The truth of the matter (again IMO, and from what I have seen), is the “zergier” the server the more the player has been allowed to fall into bad habits.

-Lazy play
-Full zerker with not even utility skills to help them stay alive
-Blowing CDs way too early, etc etc

The truth is that many people run different setups depending on what they are doing, and if you catch a zerker staff ele running back to the zerg he/she will probably seem like a bad player.

I guess what I am trying to say is: being on a larger server allows you to most times do some things that you would not be able to get away with on a smaller server. But all in all the individual skill level of each servers players is remotely the same per capita.

SlothBear.9846:

Warrior ability to shrug off all conditions and dash/charge away while passively regaining all their health and immune to CC is what needs nerfed.

Umm why? Having good escapability is an issue these days? I mean I could understand your point if you were saying all that while said warrior has insane DPS on you downing you…But you are talking about a kitten running from a fight?

In that case sign me up for the list of petitionors for nerfing:

GS guardians with PoV
Every thief ever
Some good mesmers
Warriors
D/D eles

My point is there are a lot more balance issues within this game rather than some classes being able to haul kitten when it looks like they’re gonna lose.

I am glad/proud to be in bronze, this will no doubt be the most competitive league. (IMO)

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Can we call it outwomanned? If you lose it’s because I’m obviously cheese.

I will instagib to BS necros, that has been the trend, so color me outwommaned.

Storm Sunstarr.8470:

Last night while Savannah (King Amadaeus) was tagged up with 15 or so other Cosa and kept the majority of Yaks busy, myself and about 8 of my guildies from Suns ran on the opposite side of the map. We originally took Aldons then started to wander up into the ET side of the map and grabbed Anz/Speld/Mend. We noticed that Savannah decided to make Aldons a bunker and went to help out. I think that between our 2 guilds and a few others we were probably at 30 or so strong. Once Yaks battered all the walls down and we held off all the waves for a while all our siege got wiped by the trebs/mortars from the keep. Suns left Aldons after all the Yaks guys pulled off for a while, so we went to the Yaks side of EB while the battle continued to rage and proceeded to take T3 Durios, QL, and Klovan. I know another group flipped the T3 Bravost. All that time we grew eyes in the back of our heads wondering when the zerg would come and kill us, but your focus on Aldons made it easy. My thanks to Savannah for taking all the heat while we made some havoc elsewhere!

Thanks Aurora for the assists, we had a blast. I remember coming up on Mendons (before the Aldongate controversy of 2013), and some shouted the gate was down…We all kitten ourselves and I screamed run for the cap! And then we realized it was you capping it not ET…We had a good laugh and I called Britanica a credit _ since she was already in the circle before most of us were in the gate.

I love you guys, love our server, and love my (our) guild…And I haven’t had any Rum yet today.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

/yawn

If you’re going to argue about what happened last night in EB, please create more drama. This thread is putting me to sleep.

Who’s up for fight night? I want to duel you Savannah!

Fine but if you win I was obviously outmanned, cough…cough…cough….

I do my duels early, since I am an old man and go to bed early….I usually go around daily reset.

Safe to say its at YB BL this week? Yaks I would invite you but you have to leave your siege at home plox!

mrstealth.6701:

Kurieg.4158:

King Amadaeus.8619:

We started with about 25 (or less)

Do you honestly have no idea how many people are on your side?

Because 25 is a terribly low estimate for the number of SF in Aldon’s.

ps – The defense was well done. Don’t cheapen it with cluelessness.

There were a lot of them in that tower. 25 does sound like a very low estimate from what I could see standing on top of that supply hut.

But I don’t really care how many were in there, it was a fun fight.

Yeah we had 250 people and you guys had 20. (I forgot we have been spawn camping you all week with our superior numbers)

Like I told someone the other day in Guild Chat:

The 1st rule of WvW:

If you lost, you were outmanned…If you won you were outmanned.

I said from pretty much the beginning that we had more people than you guys at first…Then you guys started calling out for help and within 30minutes you vastly outnumbered us. You guys were popping swords on the 3-5 we would have just trying to run back to the tower from spawn.

I don’t mind the disagreement about the numbers, but it is funny to see a server that has laughed all week about their superior tactics, and superior numbers, and superior siege to get so bent out of shape over 40minutes of wiping to a turtled up group of SF.

quickflash.6314:

In all seriousness.

My real question for SF is do you guys run on the same comms? You have some good individual players and small teams. I dont see any good force troops though.

Instantly troops become better when they can hear a commander kittening at them.

Most of the core commanders are on some kind of VoIP. (Some use what their guild uses, and others use 1 of the 2 server-wide ones)

Some commanders do not, we also have a huge Latino population so at times translation can/could be an issue with some commanders. We have in the past from time to time set up translates to type, but it is not a smooth system by any means.

I have been on BGs and JQs TS3’s. We have on average about what they do in regards to people on comms during set times of the day. In peak they have more, but then again they have more people. I remember thinking when I was there “wow I thought there would be more people on”. But like I said, many people run guild groups in WvW now, and they use their own private comms.

We also have people resting up for leagues this week, doing their PVE stuffs…I mean YB is well above us WvW-population wise even if we had a full forces. So with all of that in mind, and leagues starting next week, I think that is why we have seen a huge dropoff of people in WvW, and subsequently why you are not seeing “good force groups” in a match that does absolutely nothing for us either way due to population/coverage imbalances.

Kurieg.4158:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Kurieg.4158:

King Amadaeus.8619:

We started with about 25 (or less)

Do you honestly have no idea how many people are on your side?

Because 25 is a terribly low estimate for the number of SF in Aldon’s.

ps – The defense was well done. Don’t cheapen it with cluelessness.

I know how many stacked for supply check when I asked, therefore that is those I count….My group wasn’t full of pugs, so the number is fairly accurate.

More did come as the battle went on that were not in our guild group and they helped out immensely and we appreciated it, but some also died (guildies and non-guildies)…I know we could not get people back into the tower as it went on, because you guys were doing a good job of denying them…

I felt like we had more than you at the beginning, but after about 20 minutes you had more numbers. Plus you had every bit of keep siege and field siege your 1500 keep supply could build….

I JI’ed into the middle of your zerg during a push. My count was well north of 25, not including “beasts”. I shoulda ss’ed, though, because I was stunned how many there were.

It didn’t really look like you lost all that many for awhile to kills, because those that did die got rezzed.

Eventually, though, ya’ll did break up. I noticed groups left for rogues and what not (and I use the term “groups” not to mean 5, but just a “bunch”). I think the treb/mortar fire on the lord’s room probably convinced them to leave, not sure. There weren’t as many of you left in aldon’s when the AC’s dropped outside lit you up on our final attack.

We sent people out for supply, we were watching for the ACs, knew they were inevitable. We had wiped several around the gate and breached areas.

And I told everyone the downfall of our situation would be if you got one up around the area below the lord because it would be hard to spot and to kill it we would have to run the farthest back through the huge amounts of AoE you guys had down in the breaches.

We had fun, we knew how it would end, and there were no surprises. CoSA has no issue losing fights to superior siege. If you guys would have rolled up that ramp and punched us in face then we would be sad pandas.

Those last ACs you are mentioning were indeed exactly what got us, they were a good call on your part….I am very tanking and I had 900 health at one point so everyone dropped like flies.

I also think you guys should send 11-20 silver to those brave mesmers that tried PB after PB.

quickflash.6314:

? Why didnt you use that distraction to your advantage ?

You had a foothold in a tower and the high ground with one clear entrance

I am a guardian I couldn’t clone myself and start taking another tower with my cloned tag….Man, I should have rolled Mesmer for my tagged toon…..

In all seriousness we talked about that. But I was not going to split our guild group, and there were no other commanders running. Besides it was nice to see how long we could hold it, and to see you guys calling more and more in. (which was kind of the point in the first place)

Jeknar.6184:

K U T M.4539:

If you truly had gone ET-Old School, you would have been holding NE tower in your BL. And own nothing else on the map.

He said he channeled is inner [Mend]. I don’t recall Flappybob ever bunkering on ETBL… At least while I was on Mend, it was always in a tower elsewhere (Bluelake, Redbriar or Langor, mostly).

Pretty much what Jek said….Back in the T8 Glicko Ghetto our WvW nights in Mend often consisted of trying to find an easily defensible tower and bunkering up inside.

For the fun, and also to pull more and more forces to us. Both of which we did last night which was very fun.

Kurieg.4158:

King Amadaeus.8619:

We started with about 25 (or less)

Do you honestly have no idea how many people are on your side?

Because 25 is a terribly low estimate for the number of SF in Aldon’s.

ps – The defense was well done. Don’t cheapen it with cluelessness.

I know how many stacked for supply check when I asked, therefore that is those I count….My group wasn’t full of pugs, so the number is fairly accurate.

More did come as the battle went on that were not in our guild group and they helped out immensely and we appreciated it, but some also died (guildies and non-guildies)…I know we could not get people back into the tower as it went on, because you guys were doing a good job of denying them…

I felt like we had more than you at the beginning, but after about 20 minutes you had more numbers. Plus you had every bit of keep siege and field siege your 1500 keep supply could build….