Guild Wars 2

Ross Biddle.2367:

Three orb buffs distributed evenly over three server?!

Relatively balanced point tick?!

Players getting on with, and playing the game?!

OMG WvW IS RUINED!

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Yeah, I can post a screen cap too.

Posted from the most stable/balanced tier of all WvW….

http://mos.millenium.org/na

Seriously, other than T8, you have great balance, while every other match is a blowout….Think about it, all this is doing is giving more power to the already ridiculously empowered.

ANET vs Forum Users

ANET would wipe….They need to play the game moar….

AndrewSX.3794:

CrassBippy.4619:

Hmmmmmm, it seems the obvious thing that was gonna happen happened. Lets collect some data and observe this.

Hmmmmm. Interesting….

I can definitely imagine them that way.

“Mmmh looks like the feedback forum minority we ignored was saing the truth…mmh…not sure, might have to keep an eye on that for a couple of months… mmmh…not sure!”

“let’s just wait it out, I am sure things will balance out if we wait long enough”

Free Server Transfers.

They were the problem, then they were the answer to the problem that was the problem that turned out to still be the problem.

That kind of logic is what those folks that run this show operate on, so I am not shocked in the slightest that we have arrived here.

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

pOmf.5216:

http://puu.sh/4txez.jpg
great and fair match-up so far!

Sorry guys. We know it’s unfair. I feel for you considering we were just there last week.

It is actually a great thing, because at the end of the day it shows ANET:

1. How ridiculous the server imbalances are even from 14-19 for instance.
2. Why PPT is a ridiculous system for measuring success.
3. How awful this new league system is going to be.
4. Why having only 2 leagues will be an awful mistake.
5. Why buffing teams/servers that have the ability to hold and maintain the new capture points will backfire….

(That is assuming they actually are paying attention and care)

Speaking of unbalanced matches here is a screen someone posted of our current one:

http://puu.sh/4txez.jpg

That is:

14. Kain
19. SF
21. GoM

And this is a “normal” match in the current system….Once the leagues start this will be much worse, and I am afraid much more common.

TexRob.5183:

Man, who is this unkillable ranger from SF? He’s amazing at staying alive. Never seen someone evade, jump away, sprint away, etc so much. Literally never landed a snare, root or stun on him except a handful of times.

Palace rolled a Ranger?

DevonCarver.5370:

Season 1 is going forward as we described, however nothing about future seasons is set in stone. We’ll take a look at the data we get from the first season and will absolutely make adjustments so that future seasons are even better than the first one.

My concern with four leagues is simply that there isn’t enough variety at that point. I could very well be wrong, but we are going to try season 1 this way and then we’ll take a look at how it played out.

With all due respect Devon this is just simply another ill-conceived concept, that almost makes it seem like you guys are horribly out of touch with this game.

I would point you to my current matchup sir:

Current PPT:
14. Kaineng – 630
19. Sorrow’s Furnace – 35
21. Gate of Madness – 30

How fun do you think it would be to login to this? How fun would it be for a lower ranked server than us? How much worse could it be if the 3rd team were above our rank, (we might have us a nice 0 ppt)?

The league is already a forgone conclusion if you are basing it on who “wins” these matches. There is hardly any reason for lower pop. servers to even try because we are going to get steamrolled by 24hr coverage mid-tiers.

Luvpie.8350:

Although Bloodlust and Leagues are a terrible idea, Anet you are still continuing. Please do atleast one thing though and change the US leagues from 2 (12 servers) to 4 (6servers). Currently one of the biggest fears in 1st league is the top 5 servers have population that dwarfs the bottom 7. If each server is going to play each other in league atleast once that will give 4 out 7 matches to be complete blowouts and not fun at all. I am sure bottom 12 servers will experience this. The population for US wvw servers isn’t as balanced as EU and needs the servers divided into groups of 6 instead to have better matchups. These league servers below matched up with each other will give ALOT more balanced matches then dividing servers into 2 groups only.

SOR,BG,JQ,TC,DB,FA League 1
Mag,SoS,SBI,EB,CD,BP League 2
YB,KN,IoJ,DH,NS,HoD League 3
SF,GoM,ET,FC,AR,DR League 4

TLDR
Although Leagues are a dumb idea we need 4 leagues in US instead of 2 to make matchups not blowouts for atleast 50% of 7 weeks duration.

I totally agree with this, mainly because the gap between the top and the bottom of each league is so huge….

One thing that remains a constant for bandwagoning servers:

The wheels always come off eventually…You may climb to some amazing heights due to the transfers, but it is almost always not permanent.

Server transfers already happen naturally, even more so now with this insane league nonsense….Bandwagoning only guarantees results in the short-term by throwing population at a problem, eventually you have to have a solid community. My advice is to work with the people you have and let the results be what they will be.

Attack Robot.2619:

Just want to say that Sorrow’s Furnace would love to have you guys. I think one of our community organizers contacted you in game so I will leave out the sales pitch. I hope you find a good fit, and if you go to one of our opponents I look forward to the fights.

Seconded, while I too won’t go through the full sales pitch…I will say that I have played on a few servers: NSP, ET, SF, BG, and briefly on JQ. (Mainly in that order) While all were great, I always liked SF and in the end remained on SF. I did so because of the community we have, and the people that are true friends. One of the other reasons I always liked SF is that it is fairly stable, we do not get a ton of transfers and we do not lose a ton of people to transfers. So week to week we know what to expect, we know what we can count on, and we have known each other for quite some time.

It has helped us train the server, get more people into WvW, and retain more talented groups.

nortask.8351:

D best.3547:

Don’t worry CNB will provide the real challenge tonight.

As we were yesterday http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56bNDAolxww&feature=youtu.be
That is a video of us holding a hills from a quite the angry mob.
Had great fun reset night!

Not angry bro we were just trying to see if you were interested in some magazine subscriptions or perhaps some girl scout cookies…

You guys were bunkered up in there for sure, we had some fun for quite a while. Very well-played on your part for sure. I was one of the unlucky SoB’s to discover you balled up, we were dodging through that choke and heading left. I made the entire “circle” and engaged you before some of the others were done trying to clear siege.
(Bad mistake on my part lol)

Also I fully remember you jumping off the edge at the end as well! Pretty sweet getting to see the fight from the other side.

clint.5681:

I know you guys have been lusting to know what Sneak Stab looks like, well im here to bless you with the RAW, UNCUT, UNFILTERED screenshot.

David Duke approves of the amount of whiteness you have on display sir.

Fun fight night (well for BS and SF), sorry for the PVE’ers and their treb/“super secret 007 sneak attack” that left them all dead and got me called the name of a man who dresses like a woman when I trolled them in map chat (highlight of the night)….

DR? Are you alive?

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King Amadaeus.8619:

Aeneasx.1589:

Jeknar.6184:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Geoski.1407:

Jakare.6807:

Everyone come fight night, I need practise on my ele

I’ll be there as well. One question though, which Borderlands is fight night being held on tonight?

I’d like to see a lot of people participate this week, hopefully we can get some good duels/scrims

If you ruthless animals leave me a WP in Bay I would propose SF BL so its a short run for everyone.

You can use the WP on your hills

SF Windmill tonight @…?

Most people usually go around server/daily reset I think? I go a bit earlier if people are there because I go to bed early during the week cause I am a grownup and work for a living.

You’re spoiling my image of you, Savannah. Stop intruding with reality.

True, I have worked much to hard at cultivating the image of a 15-yearold whining, “ostentatious”, PPT-watching, bad on the intranetz to give all that up now.

Same ole song and dance….Broken stuff all day in WvW (commander tags, squads, party UI) and we get new stuff implemented that will only likely be horribly broken and exploited the fullest by the playerbase.

new content means: patches, fixes, more issues down the road….please for the love of Dwayna just fix the inherently broken stuff first please!

Aeneasx.1589:

Jeknar.6184:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Geoski.1407:

Jakare.6807:

Everyone come fight night, I need practise on my ele

I’ll be there as well. One question though, which Borderlands is fight night being held on tonight?

I’d like to see a lot of people participate this week, hopefully we can get some good duels/scrims

If you ruthless animals leave me a WP in Bay I would propose SF BL so its a short run for everyone.

You can use the WP on your hills

SF Windmill tonight @…?

Most people usually go around server/daily reset I think? I go a bit earlier if people are there because I go to bed early during the week cause I am a grownup and work for a living.

Jeknar.6184:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Geoski.1407:

Jakare.6807:

Everyone come fight night, I need practise on my ele

I’ll be there as well. One question though, which Borderlands is fight night being held on tonight?

I’d like to see a lot of people participate this week, hopefully we can get some good duels/scrims

If you ruthless animals leave me a WP in Bay I would propose SF BL so its a short run for everyone.

You can use the WP on your hills

That’s way too far to run for a fat lazy zergling person.

Geoski.1407:

Jakare.6807:

Everyone come fight night, I need practise on my ele

I’ll be there as well. One question though, which Borderlands is fight night being held on tonight?

I’d like to see a lot of people participate this week, hopefully we can get some good duels/scrims

If you ruthless animals leave me a WP in Bay I would propose SF BL so its a short run for everyone.

But I know you guys are sweating the PPT, so you may cap all of our bases so they belong to you.

WvW is hard, we need moar people. (Or just need anet to not make PVE so profitable).

One thing that people get hung up on is server stacking…People seem to think that it is about winning, while some of that is true…It tends more to be about being on a server where WvW is the main style of play.

Meaning you aren’t stuck on a server that when ANET decides to allow players to makes 100s of gold a week farming PVE mobs, that you do not have only 5-10 people in EB and less than that on BLs during off-peak hours.

Why is that I feel like the feedback system we essentially have in GW2 (WvW) is similar to:

All of us standing in a line outside the dev office, while we are told they will “be with us in a moment”, all the while they are furiously working away at what they think is good for WvW.

When they finally get time for us they (and we) all realize that most of that furious work they were doing while we waited to be acknowledged, was not at all what the majority of players wanted in the first place. (some of which is the exact opposite)

The long and short of it, is that this is ANETs game, they will do with it how they see fit and we realistically have little to no say. And when we do get ideas across it is either “no feasible” or “taken into consideration”, then the next month we get color changes and new treadmills that pull us out of WvW to grind for.

WarLord.8430:

Ok iv kept my mouth shut for some time now, ET has way more skill over DR and SF the only thing you have is coverage over both I cant even count how many fights outnumbered we’ve whipped SF multi times over and over and over again, all ima say is thanks for all the bags fo real, wheres all your guilds at all I see you doing is running together 40+ zergs wheres the guilds at that aint scared to run alone and take kitten wheres the skill? Just because you come and take our t3 keeps when no ones on or on low coverages days/nights big deal.. you think your good but your wrong if your so good you wouldn’t be sitting where your at with all your numbers you should be way more org. and beating way more servers, I sense a internal problem? ET has way more skills just not enough coverage, we have way more communication and skill in fights and we know what we doing.

I dont know how many times SF has tried to take our boarderlands this week at night and failed getting whipped over and over again I give you props for your numbers but thats it, at least ET puts up way more of a fight outnumbered then DR, you think you know ET but your strongly mistaken!

IoM Leader
IoM/ET Commander

Why are you getting involved in this really? I mean its just randoms arguing over stuff that is moot….So now you wanna brag about your guild group rolling over pug zergs? That is what guilds are for (organized groups to cut down the mindless zergs) in wvw, if pugs rolled you then that would be tuurrrible. Whatevs bruh.

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breh.5987:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

LOL, I’ll pay 1 gold 50 silver 5 silver for each screenshot of Breh’s corpse.

I had to revise the amount because I realized I couldn’t pay for the 2,000 screenshots I was about to get.

So where are these 2000 screen shots?

Whoa, did you already get 2,000 deaths in the past hour? I am impressed. I did not know anyone was so bad at this game.

I used to know a bad engi that morphed into a guardian that could have vied for that kittene.

“Get him off me!”

I challenge you all to show up to fight-night this week (Thursday SF BL?), then I further challenge someone to remind me to transfer back and remember that thursday is fight-night. (Sorry the zerg servers we have been facing dont fight night so I am out of practice)

The man already said a week or two ago, that you cannot play WvW and expect to get 100% of the game from it. Which to many (myself included) was a disappointing slap in the face.

(I am paraphrasing because I am too lazy to find the quote). But essentially he did say that one should expect to have to leave WvW and participate in PVE. Which is inline with the the grinding associated with Legendary crafting etc.

Malachi.1836:

King Amadaeus.8619:

I don’t like “too much” balance. What is too much is debatable, but being unbalanced through certain builds is what makes games like these fun to me.

I like to try and work my builds to be “OP” and rarely look at other people’s (sometimes I do for a baseline-idea) because that to me is the easy way, when I fight a player I want them to party me and say “dude wtf are you running?”.

If everything was too balanced, then fights would nearly be pre-determined, too much Rock/paper/scissors. That is why I love WvW and hate sPVP, because you never know what to expect with the combinations we have access to. Which is also what makes it difficult to balance, but again makes it fun.

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You are looking at balance differently. Good PvP games are built on balance the game type above it however doesn’t necessarily have to be balanced. Balance means every class has access to the tools necessary to compete at even levels. This just simply isn’t true. In the current meta certain classes are just not feasible in wvw and are delegated to only certain builds. The base balance is required for any competition to be fun. If you want to maintain population in a PvP game balance has to be present. Skill has to be measured between individuals.

Sadly every game since UO has failed this most basic premise. The most simplistic of games lasted years off one core accident from the developers. The PvP was balanced. And very good. This doesn’t and shouldn’t diminish builds the “OP” feeling you apparently like is still there. Even in a balanced PvP game gimmick builds can and will exist. The core problem is of there is no general consensus to combat them.

Wvw is quickly becoming a place to login skirmish for thirty minutes and just quit. I don’t find any fun in a gametype when I know all further additions to it will only reward unskilled play

I have found each class to be more than feasible in WvW, sure each has their strengths and weaknesses (which I think you are also alluding to), but that is what I was saying….I want certain classes to excel at certain things.

I don’t like “too much” balance. What is too much is debatable, but being unbalanced through certain builds is what makes games like these fun to me.

I like to try and work my builds to be “OP” and rarely look at other people’s (sometimes I do for a baseline-idea) because that to me is the easy way, when I fight a player I want them to party me and say “dude wtf are you running?”.

If everything was too balanced, then fights would nearly be pre-determined, too much Rock/paper/scissors. That is why I love WvW and hate sPVP, because you never know what to expect with the combinations we have access to. Which is also what makes it difficult to balance, but again makes it fun.

The 500 point cap? I agree.

DevonCarver.5370:

A couple of points. We are going to move more and more towards trying to increase the rewards in the rank up chests. As for the lack of rewards for defending, it is really a limitation of the way the content currently exists. We are working on solutions to it, but we always face the problem that making a major change to existing, working content is very dangerous and has to have a very long test time. Defending is super simple to get credit for right now, and because of that it’s difficult for us to put a serious amount of rewards on it. If we did, it would incentivize people to stand around, repair a wall for a second or two, then jet off. Until we fix the way that content determines who deserves rewards, we can’t bump the rewards as much as we’d like to.

We absolutely agree that defending is not rewarded well enough and we will address it when we have the best solution.

I’d like to see these mats drop off of players as well….Might encourage more PVP instead of the karma trains which have been fueled even more.

Dark Catalyst.1028:

DevonCarver.5370:

Doing so would invalidate the time people spend acquiring that gear. I think the heart of your post is in the right place, but what we would rather do is make possible for people to get the gear by playing WvW with a sprinkling of PvE, rather than the other way around.

So you’re okay with the WvW game being about gear and stat advantages, rather than skill or fun? Good to know that I will be at a continual disadvantage in WvW because I refuse to grind for gear. I specifically came to this game to avoid gear grinds.

Good thing they never said anything about gear grinds or treadmills, oh wait…

I think people would have been much more happy (in comparison) if they just nixed all these plans, and just made point per stomp permanent.

Jeknar.6184:

Badges are so easy to get now that I’m not really sure if that argument still valid… I can just run around a borderland taking 7 sentries, 6 camps, 3 quaggan nodes, the temple and doing Wurm/Warg/Harpy/Centaur/Skritt, for easy Wexp, which result in ranks that result in more badges. But who knows…

Yes but you are an experienced WvW’er bro, these people are running PVE builds and following that 100-gold blue roadmarker to “success”…They don’t realize that doing PVE in a PVP map is viable. I know I have gotten about 20 levels this week just from standing in circles, dat karma train. I mean we legitimately have people that have been farming PVE for the last year that just have popped into WvW, some of them even have tags. While this is a good time to break-in new commanders, hopefully they realize that WvW is not: Cap camp : run to next objective : throw 2 rams : kill lord /repeat. Can’t really blame them for doing it, but the main thing is to realize that there are people on SF (just like any server) see “Server ____” and they think “time to get my WvW on!”

Plus not sure if you boys and girls noticed, but there appears to be fewer badges drop off of players now (compared to pre-wallet days), maybe it is because like you said you are getting them from ranking up etc.

I know I used to get about or just below a full stack (250) of them on reset days, last week I think I got around 115. And if I am going to zerg I am greedy and tag everything, many others said they noticed the same thing when I brought it up in our VoIP.

Amins.3710:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Meglobob.8620:

2750 armour provides 33.33% direct damage mitigation, a lot of people consider it a waste taking toughness higher than that.

But protection buff does that too reduces damage by 33.33%, my ele uses 2 armour of earths (1 utility, 1 traited) instead of bothering with toughness. Rarely dies and once went straight through a 100 strong zerg (on her own) and survived.

Agreed I have re-tooled most of my toons to hover around 2800, like you said the difference is really negligible over that.

Yes, but the point I think he’s trying to make is that Armor is a direct negation to power based on the forumula…. and what “we’re” finding is that it’s not the case.

The fact that a zerker thief/mesmer/ele/warrior can still basically kill you in 1-2 combo’s even w/ such high Armor.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Damage

I understood exactly what he was saying, hence why I agreed with him…The point is that it really isn’t worth stacking 2-300 or more into a stat line that may only give you 8-9% more Damage Reduction.

The point I agreed with him on is that at a certain point the reduction is “splitting hairs”, and those stats could be of much better use in another stat-tree.

I love d/d/ thieves, especially ones that run no condi dmg, they are free kills 90% of the time.

Most of the kills I get while on my thief are with S/D, very underrated set imo.

Meglobob.8620:

2750 armour provides 33.33% direct damage mitigation, a lot of people consider it a waste taking toughness higher than that.

But protection buff does that too reduces damage by 33.33%, my ele uses 2 armour of earths (1 utility, 1 traited) instead of bothering with toughness. Rarely dies and once went straight through a 100 strong zerg (on her own) and survived.

Agreed I have re-tooled most of my toons to hover around 2800, like you said the difference is really negligible over that.

Direwind.8409:

did I even say anything about dying, this whole topic is directed at the worthlessness of armor

There becomes a point with any trait, that you start to get some type of diminishing returns. Maybe not actually, but I mean to say: is it worth having 3900 armor vs having 3000 armor?

Probably not, which would free up some potential for you to stack something else a bit.

Umm its the same concept as if you stacked all kinds of crazy Power and no Precision…Or all kinds of Precision and no Crit Dmg….

Meaning, that you need to find a balance between armor and vitality.

Armor is protection against burst, vitality will help you survive conditions.

I miss real forum warriors…PPT is srs bzns, and whatnot.

SF is bad at stuffs we get it…Only undermanned servers have quality players, hopefully next week we will get an outmanned match again so that our “quality” will skyrocket once more.

In other news I have enjoyed exploding level 80s with bad builds/gear this week with my upleveled guardian. I have gotten it handed to me a few times as well, mainly because I keep jumping into the middle of 4-5 people like I am still on my main toon.

I for one have no misconceptions, every server has bads and every one has good players. The problem is on every server the bads/fairweathers/PVE’ers tryin to get those badges for that legendary…make up about 75% of the population.

Niim.9260:

Sure, every night, but that does not change that we are forced to limit our damage output, some times give up fight momentum, etc

So a skill that is meant to make you temper your skill usage is making you do that and you want it nerfed?

I believe others might say working as intended, is it OP? Well it has been nerfed once, I suppose it could be again.

In other news, you people would have never made it in GW1, there were a few skills that locked down spammers. Much more so than just confusion or retaliation.

And people played with them for years.

Seriously not trying to troll here, but EVERYONE that ever faced DH saw this coming….SF used to be guilty of the same things back during the T8 days. You guys were always too worried about the score, too worried about rankings, too worried about tiers. I mean we were the same way back then, you guys just never had to face enough adversity to make you re-think about it all.

Thinking that PPT is the end-all, be-all judge of WvW successes and failures is a recipe for disaster. DH taught SF a couple of lessons when we ran into them during our short climb:

1. No matter how zergy you are, there is always someone more zergy.
2. No matter how much you stress over PPT, you will have coverage gaps that will leave you exposed, which often decides the match in the first place.

While SF is still full of people that constantly watch over the scoreboard, many week-by-week have realized that PPT simply beyond anyone’s control and those people now play for the fights and the fun. Most have came to terms that we are likely never moving very far beyond T6-7, and that whatever effort we give during the week is really just because we are a large group of friends working together and having fun; the PPT will take care of itself.

Like I said, in all seriousness, we once had people that were staying up half the night babysitting our BL, babysitting SM, etc….It is just crazy, don’t be like that people, if people leave WvW for loot, so be it. Play with what people you have.

Niim.9260:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Probably a moot point to someone like you, but you realize in the large-scale type fights you seem to be referencing that DPS is not that useful?

Nothing in his posts indicates he is fighting even numbers to the point that DPS wouldn’t matter. We fight 5 vs 25 all the time, DPS matters.

Retal implementation is just another zerg friendly, no coordination required, face-roll play style that makes this game the boring PVT hammer train that it is.

At which point did you not see me say that DPS is more important the smaller the group. I said in 25v25 it has little significance. I also said it is risk v reward. He plays a class than can do large amounts of AoE damage, retaliation apparently keeps him in check (and nearly kills him), which to me is more balanced than if he could just blast right through it with no regard.

Retaliation to me is something that is anti zerg friendly just as much as zerg friendly…The fact that it punishes people from spamming skills on huge groups of people is the real issue here apparently. I mean we are 1-year in and retal has already been nerfed and it is still a mechanic issue? Doubtful. But think what you want.

Go back and look at the bolded part of your quote, because you realize the “he/him” in question is a staff-ele that is irritated that he cant spam skills on large amounts of people without the risk of dying from retaliation.

I am kinda sad at the response from this community…I really thought it was going to be “reject ascendeds” and perma-target the try-hards running with them…

TyPin.9860:

Why do you ppl allways think, that you have seen so much more up in t2 and t1? Our Zergs are not only 10 ppl, lol, that’s a small havoc group or a guild team. Our Zergs are up to 60+ ppl too. Our problem lies within coverage for a whole week. And we’re faced against even higher tier servers and got rofflestomped by huge Zergs ourselfes. But that is no suprise.

Did u ever think that guild Zergs, who most likely are voice chatting with each other and are opening with veil and CC, are just organized very well? Do you run in an own organized guild zerg? If every character has only 1 cc skill (and even chaos storm can be used as CC in a Zerg fight), then they can open with 60 cc skills at the same time. They won’t need hammer warrior to bring out such an initial burst.

Hell it is WvW. It is ment to be played with siege, with suprise attacks, with tactic and strategy. Ppl don’t use that. They just mindlessly Zerg arround. A random Zerg will get rofflestomped by such a big guild Zerg any time. Nerfing warriors won’t change that. CC is very strong is this game and easily executed in many cases. You have to be smart about it and you have to know, which fights you can pick and which you can’t. You know that you could use those mentioned ACs, ppl are complaining about, even against big Zergs? But wait, is that organizied guild using those already? I might start to see a pattern here.

Well said, pretty much this in a nutshell…

Also I have seen a few thieves that stealth and run tripwire on the approaching enemy and it be just as devastating as the aforementioned hammer stuns.

The long and short of it is that if it weren’t hammers it would be something else, necro walls, coordinated mesmer focus pulls, traps etc…

The issue is that it becomes extremely difficult to deal with when you face coordinated VoIP group that is setting CC properly. (I mean unless you get your stability up)

covenn.7165:

Rednik.3809:

while skilled “killers of spammers” want to stay behind in safety, roll their faces on 1-2-3-4-5 and don’t care about stupid things like non-zerk gear, boon stripping
and backlash from retal? Oh, i see now.

Hey now! The eles out there do this….

(well function keys default for attune swap.. but mine is alt)
Alt1 – 1-2-3-4-5
Alt2 – 1-2-3-4-5
Alt3 – 1-2-3-4-5
Alt4 – 1-2-3-4-5

Let me give a little reality…. we hit a blob.

Air 5 – Alt 1 – Fire 2 – (Fire 1 auto) – Fire 5

My opening CC and best way to guarantee I can maximize damage / damage procs as I have them frozen in the circles. I can’t stop lava font pulses after I drop it or meteor shower after the channel starts (can shorten it some though).

Here is what happens if they have retal. My health bar goes from 20-24k down to 3k in the time it takes me to both see the eleventybillion retal pulses and react by pressing the ‘R’ button (my bind for mist form). Why does this happen? A combination of my abilities landing close to the same time and abilities hitting far more than 5 targets each. Heh

I mean sure, I suppose I could open up with static, switch over to earth, drop #2 and watch as they come out of static and move away before eruption fires an eternity later. Maybe I could just stay in air and hit 3 targets for 800-1500 damage every second (depending if I crit or not), stay in fire and auto attack for 1500 on 5 targets, or better …switch to water and spam #1 and hit one person for 300 since I am in PTV. :p Oh I guess I can just cycle through all of my CC in each attune and spam that on them all at once :p

Probably a moot point to someone like you, but you realize in the large-scale type fights you seem to be referencing that DPS is not that useful?

What I mean to say is that you seem to be calling out numbers as if to say that you would be doing your team a disservice to only due “x” amount of damage. While realistically there is plenty of damage to go around in these fights just from the shear number of players involved.

I mean really DPS is more important in smaller groups….I mean why do you think everyone makes the “press 1” joke about zerg fights, sure some of it is skill lag related, but a lot of it is because it is literally all you need to do 80% of the time.

Not saying that using your skills is bad in large fights at all, just saying that if you are weighing your options on if your team needs 1500 or 3500 from you in a large scale fight, you might want to re-think that.

I mean don’t get me wrong we all love seeing those crazy large numbers, but it is just fluff in a 25v25 fight. Personally I and most people I fight with want our eles on CC duty and waterfield duty first and foremost.

covenn.7165:

King Amadaeus.8619:

If retaliation is killing you with a 5-man AoE cap then…its a build/gear/l2p

I am sorry, not even saying that as a cop-out either…There have been times when it’kitten me really kitten a mesmer or engi, but never died from it.

Sorry, but you do not seem to have an understanding of some of the game mechanics and how different abilities work on different classes.

1. Not all abilities are AoE capped.

2. Some abilities pulse damage or channel multiple ticks FnF.

3. Some abilities have lead time.

Add in all the above on a few classes that have no choice but to use those sort of abilities, and you quickly get into situations where people in full PTV can literally kill themselves on retail in a second or two because they are getting hit with dozens of ticks per second.

Umm I have 1 of every type of class this game makes to my knowledge…So I am well-versed, the problem you are having is one of reading comprehension.

Because you think that I misunderstood a mechanic, while I was really saying that I am fully OK with people “fully killing themselves”. Just like I was fully OK with it in GW1 when bads killed themselves with SS and Backfire on them.

Also there is something to be said about the fact that if you personally cast a skill on a large group, while knowing full well it will ignore the AoE-cap….Well I guess it should be a gamble for you if you live or die. You think it would be balanced if you could just sit behind walls all day and spam said skills with no chance of penalty?

LilMcGinley.3890:

King Amadaeus.8619:

Umm to be honest I haven’t really kept up with the whole league nonsense, mainly because PPT is only an indicator of population 95% of the time.

But how is the scoring going to work? I mean is it going to work like the current rating is now? Because just “winning” does not guarantee that you gain rating.

I guess I should read more about the league, but really I could care-less….Like others have said its just a coverage measuring contest.

1st 5 pts, 2nd 3 pts 3rd 1 pt. Highest total end of 7 weeks win.

Oh thats a super-smart system. Why didn’t they just throw out rating in the first place then? They can just give out the awards now and cancel the season ROFL…

#notsurprised

covenn.7165:

Titan.3472:

Well whenever people fail in some situation they are not going to analyse how they can do to improve their gameplay build and organisation they will just ask for some nerf. Retaliation could be less efficient BUT it remains the fact you need to learn to play better mitigate damages and adapt your build on the current meta or you are only dead meat. And I don’t play guardian at all nor CC warrior…

I play my ele extremely well with a weapon set that is generally seen as free points to most. I know how to position myself, use my range, my cc, and my defensives to stay alive. 80% of the damage I take in WvW fights isn’t due to people hitting me. It is due to me hitting people and retaliation wrecking me.

In order for me to play my class effectively and utilize my abilities, I have to hit multiple targets. Not only that, I have to hit them in a situation where I can be sure they won’t move out of the circles before my damage pulses, otherwise I have a wasted ability and cooldown. My single target dps with this weapon is horrible (which i cant change in combat due to class design) and all my abilities pretty much are AoE. In order to play my class the way it was designed I am forced to hit multiple targets in optimal situation.

With that said, I my hard counter to retaliation is mist form as the only other viable counter is not playing my class/weapon effectively. It works just fine as a counter, though it sucks to waste my best defensive ability on something passive like retaliation killing me. Unfortunately my cool down is long on it, and retaliation can simply be spam reapplied.

Just think of it as penance for all the free kills/xp/loots you have been getting from all that AoE tagging, while the rest of us are well-behind you in all of the above due to limited AoE and mainly single target attacks.

:P

I think because you are talking about a drop vs something that is crafted. Crafting of course takes into account the price of the base-mats in this scenario when determining the price of the item.

Also a shorter up-time, 20 minutes I think on the cakes???

DevonCarver.5370:

Shows what you know. The next line is Mastery Mastery. 5 pips, each one makes all the other lines more Masterful.

So much irony in that statement…

Umm to be honest I haven’t really kept up with the whole league nonsense, mainly because PPT is only an indicator of population 95% of the time.

But how is the scoring going to work? I mean is it going to work like the current rating is now? Because just “winning” does not guarantee that you gain rating.

I guess I should read more about the league, but really I could care-less….Like others have said its just a coverage measuring contest.