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so… sorry if this reads horribly I’m not a great writer but I’ve been getting very nostalgic over GW1 recently…. sadly my account is lost to the mists and i cannot remember anything to do with it in order to get it back…. anyway i digress,,,, here goes… this is all my opinion and i am looking for others thoughts who may have heard more info!
if you linked your accounts, your GW1 login (email and password) is the same as your GW2 login.
Jormag, first seen frozen in a lake in GW1, woke up and took over the far shiver peaks, currently residing near the eye of the north.
That was actually Drakkar, a champion of Jormag. Jormag awoke far to the north and took four years in a blizzard to march on the norn.
Kralk, almost defeated by destiny edge, killed glint (cue angry hate speech) flew off to southern crystal desert, currently dossing around stopping anyone passing south.
We actually don’t know which direction Kralkatorrik flew off in. The novel never specified. Obviously it didn’t fly back north or west, but it could have gone east, southeast, south, or southwest.
Primodus, lives underground, we already killed his right hand man in the great destroyer way back in GW1 now he’s woken up as we hear in LS3, and he’s probably gonna start killing off some stuff with more destroyers again soon…
Primordus actually woke up 200 years ago. What Taimi says is that “Primordus is active.”
Deep Sea Dragon… thats it, we know nothing!!!!
We know it woke up somewhere between 200 and 150 years ago (between Primordus and Jormag); we know that it awoke in the deepest parts of the Unending Ocean, and we know that it’s pushed the quaggan, krait, and karka out of their homelands and is currently fighting the largos.
More than nothing.
Primordus, we know, or can be pretty sure, is gonna be the next expansion big boss dragon we have to kill, LWS3 he is announced to have awoken, so lets face it, unless Anet do a U-turn, he’s up next.
There’s theory that Anet might send us to fight multiple Elder Dragons at once, given that the ED plot seems to be ramping up in criticality (world going chaotic from too much magic; we need to find an alternative container and the remaining Elder Dragons’ minions are increased hostilities due to the higher concentrations of magic).
Last but not least, there is a huuuuge ocean, it sits between Kryta/Elona and Cantha, cast your memories back to the good old factions days…. now story and lore states, since zhaitans rising, cantha lost contact with the mainland….. is that because of zhaitan, surely by now trade routes would have been built… or is there a BIG F OFF deep sea dragon with no name or image hanging out in between here… are the factions still going strong??? will we see a return to Cantha, unite the factions once more and fight the deep sea dragon, in what would likely be one of the last if not the last expansion on GW2… i would friggin love that!! bringing back the old locations!!!
Based on what we know of lore, all indication actually puts the DSD at northwest of Cantha and southwest of Tyria – more or less directly west of the Battle Isles.
As for trade routes – after 100 years, there’s no reason an isolationist nation would send ships when they couldn’t possibly know the cause is gone, and Tyrians have too many problems to deal with to navigate months long journies to a nation that a) may not exist, b) may be highly hostile, and c) were already anti-nonhumans 100 years prior.
so… sorry if this reads horribly I’m not a great writer but I’ve been getting very nostalgic over GW1 recently….
Primordus, we know, or can be pretty sure, is gonna be the next expansion big boss dragon we have to kill, LWS3 he is announced to have awoken, so lets face it, unless Anet do a U-turn, he’s up next.
Good news everyone! We’re going to back to the Ring of Fire on the 20th!
Which has had no relation to Primordus thus far.
But apparently, for some obscure reason, they’re sending Primordus there. From where he woke. Despite the fact lore states he’s been moving around for 200 years (and is why we see destroyers from Brisban to Maelstrom), and despite the fact that making Primordus surface destroys any reason to go into the Depths of Tyria and explore the ancient lost cities of the asura and other unknown races – and removes, without removing Primordus, all reason for the asura, skritt, and dredge to not return home. And removes all reason to see the fate of the stone dwarves first hand.
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The sylvari are mordremoth at the frontdoor. Yes some had the strength to resist. But a containment of all sylvari across Tyria would have saved many lives, even themselfs.
Not really. We don’t know how far “the call” went, first off, and second off we got the simple fact that trying to contain non-threats means diverting resources and manpower away from the main threat – not only the manpower and resources of the resisting sylvari, but of what and who is used to contain them.
Not to mention the stress it would induce – you’d create a perfect environment for the Nightmare to flow through, and the level of distrust could send sylvari to accepting the call out of spite or feelings of isolation.
draxynnic already mentioned the possibility that the pale tree wanted to tell the other races about her heritage. But after ~20 years of doing nothing,… well she had quite enough opportunities for that.
In 20 years, there was no relevance in stating it, and it proved to be a bigger harm than help to do so. When it became relevant and a bigger help than harm, she couldn’t.
But this would be just in the case that they would be a war. I doubt it.
Assuming the pale tree knows state of tyria (other higher races are battling the dragons, no dragon really active) during the early years,
Her powers of fortunetelling, cleansing of corrupt areas, knowledge of the dragons would be of great benefit for all beings.
But the other beings wouldn’t know what the Pale Tree is capable of. They would just see the sylvari as “another set of dragon minions to deal with that are much more crafty than the others”.
The asura and norn would be especially weary because they deal with dragon minions personally, and were forced from their home by dragon minions.
But when mordremoth would be defeated the pale tree’s loyality couldnt be questioned.
If the Pale Tree even lived to see Mordremoth’s wakening, given that the asura and other races would no doubt fight through the mere dozens-to-hundreds rather than thousands of sylvari that were alive after the first four years of sylvari existing.
For a race, which sole purpose of existence was to wage war against everything else this is a good outcome.
You’re speaking of mordrem here. Sylvari don’t have the ‘sole purpose of existence to wage war against everything else’. Their ‘sole purpose’ if anything is to fight the Elder Dragons – as dictated by the Pale Tree, who’s “sole purpose” was changed when she was cleansed (by whatever mysterious means did such).
Still I believe Zhaitan would have died someway or another.
With Lions Arch lost, the other races would sooner or later recognize the great threat and would unify they forces (even with just two orders).
Doubtful. Keep in mind the lore around Zhaitan and the other dragons before GW2.
The races already know the Elder Dragons are a threat – or rather, they know this on a national level. But all the Elder Dragons are “far flung” threats. So dealing with them comes second to their current problems (centaurs, ghosts, Flame Legion, etc.) with exception of Norn.
They already knew the “great threat” and they were not unifying.
The only reason they unified was not the assault on LA – which according to lore happened several times already – but because Trahearne and the Pact Commander united the Orders who were still squabbling over which way to do the job. And they only united because of Trahearne.
If Trahearne wasn’t there, LA would have fallen, and everyone else would go “kitten , ah well.” because that’s exactly what they did when Port Stalwart fell, when Port Noble fell, when the Krytan navy was wiped out, when the norn were forced south, when the asura were forced from the Depths, and when the Dragonbrand was formed.
Best case scenario, the Orders would have decided “enough is enough” and wage war on Orr directly, but without support from the races let alone unity between the Orders it would have been chaos; at best the Vigil leading a futile assault and eventually being wiped out.
The airship weapon should also be possible to construct without sylvari influence.
The important part would be if the deafet of zhaitan would happen before mordremoth would awake.
But how fast would the dragon raise, when scarlet wouldnt exist? 50 years in a case where scarlett didnt exist? Same as in the current scenario, with a scarlett replacement?
But this is also the point where speculations are build on speculations, which are build on speculations,… So I will leave this scenario here
The airship wouldn’t exist because it required the cooperation between human, charr, and asura to build. But they wouldn’t be cooperating on enough of a level without the Pact, which wouldn’t exist without Trahearne – someone trusted by all three orders – to work behind, or the Pact Commanders to help reaffirm the Orders’ trust in the competance of the Pact leadership.
Scarlet wouldn’t exist, but there were many seeds Mordremoth could go after – Malyck’s tree would exist, unless the asura and such decided to do a crusade deep into the jungle though I doubt it. It would then mean it would be one of Malyck’s people to wake Mordremoth up – perhaps much later, though.
And when Mordremoth would wake up, without the Pact, regardless of whether they were effective against Zhaitan or not, the Orders would not have been organized enough (and would have had a lot more casualties) to mount an immediate assault against Mordremoth, meaning his invasion (stopped by the SCAR team) would have continued and we’d be seeing assaults all over Tyria by Mordremoth with no effective defense.
@wyld hunt: Just because traeherne is clever enough not to rush and wait 20 years for a good opportunity doesnt mean he is kinda free from this order. Its just mean that he is intelligent enough to wait for a good opportunity and not blindly fail at the start. His helping Nature allows him also to gain trust from the other races.
That’s the thing, though. You were saying that the Wyld Hunt is so strong that they must fulfill it even if it means their death in trying.
Trahearne avoided doing the Wyld Hunt however, meaning that it was not strong enough to force him to attempt to fulfill it even if it meant his death. It wasn’t a matter of being intelligent enough – Trahearne is no more intelligent than your average sylvari by all indication, after all – he was afraid of dying for his Wyld Hunt as he outright states.
Maybe the Sylvari would have just retreated into the Grove after learning that they are a breed of Mordremoth? Or launched a full brunt assault against Rata Sum with the aid of other pale trees or other races who had to suffer from Asura hands? Their direct neighbors were not exactly friendly to them, I still don´t know why they are not at war right now. The council of the Asura has a seat for the Inquest, so they are obviously backing them up at least politically and have not accused them of Genocide.
The other trees were unknown – even to the Pale Tree by all indication – until 1325, so there’d be no support. Retreating to the Grove just gives the other races a singular target to assault.
The asura haven’t committed genocide, or attempted such – not even the Inquest. And they kind of are at war with their neighboring hyleks. As for the Inquest being backed by the Arcane Council – as stated by the Head Councillor Flaxx, they support whichever krewe gives the most cost efficient advancement for the asura – in many cases this means the Inquest because they cut corners morally, but when it’s not the Inquest, Flaxx will happily toss them to the curb.
-snip bit on Caithe-
You have an odd interpretation of Caithe.
She’s ignorant of Faolain’s actions until Faolain goes overboard with torture – not killing – Wynne; the event is one of your typical ‘eye-opening events’ for Caithe. Caithe didn’t “do the job for Faolain” at all, given that Faolain was not after killing Wynne – she was after finding out that ‘secret’.
And Caithe is never really about redeeming herself for Wynne’s death – she seems, the entire time, that it was a sad but unavoidable action and while she holds guilt for it doesn’t seek redemption for it. The only time we ever see her wanting redemption is for her actions in HoT, which she is honest about.
Telling Faolain to proverbially kitten off and not interfere with Caithe again is what Caithe does in Edge of Destiny and Twilight Arbor story, when she gets tired of being chased about by Faolain.
The only ones that are all that emotionally unstable in DE would be Eir – who is suicidal because she caused the death of her good friend, Snaff – and Caithe, but only post-HoT. They all had their problems – which for most were caused by Snaff’s death and the circumstances about that – which are solved with the dungeon story mode. After such (starting when they meet up to fight Zhaitan), all that emotional baggage is basically out the window. Unfortunately, ArenaNet decided to dump DE for the second set of emotional baggage that is the biconics so we don’t see that much.
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