Guild Wars 2

TA, like all of Season 1, is a clusterkitten.

The Story dungeons do have a fixed date, regardless, as they all precede the fall of Zhaitan – confirmed to be in 1325 AE – and while we don’t fight the plant creatures, we certainly see them in story mode. And after story mode, the place is basically on lockdown due to a reactor meltdown (just like in Thaumanova, though whether it’s a reaction to the players’ actions is Kudu’s is unclear) – it wouldn’t be logical for it to receive advancements.

Malediktus.9250:

I think I spent less time on getting all of the Dry Top achieves + all achievements of the 4 episodes, than on the marionette achievements alone.
It takes only like 1-2 hours (depends a bit on your jumping skills I guess) to collect all the coins on dry top with dulfys guide and replaying all the story instances for the achievements also barely took any effort and mostly completly effortless in a full group.

Marionette, like the Six Minutes to Knightfall, was one of the very few exceptions. Exceptions don’t make rules.

All previous achievements were much easier. But still gave a lot more AP than typical achievements.

I suspect that, come the end of Season 2, we’ll be getting new ‘very time consuming/challenging’ achievements. if you look at the S2 achievements in the Story Journal tab, they reward more and more as the story went on.

fellyn.5083:

It depends on how big the expansion is.

If it’s only 1 new area and of similar size to season 1 living story (which would be disappointing) then yeah, 5000 ap.

But if it’s an expansion comparable in size to ones they made for GW1 then15000 to 20000 ap or more would not seem unrealistic. Those expansions added content in equal size to the prophecies, so basically an entire new game tacked onto it.

We also have to consider that the amount of ap being given out for new achievements has been trending downward since the end of season one. In season one the average achievement gave 5 points. With some giving 50 points and some times more.

GW1 didn’t have an expansion until Eye of the North. Factions and Nightfall were stand-alone campaigns. Basically, they were their own game. Not an expansion.

Which was, actually, a point I was making. Though I realize that I only left it half said.

The Elder Dragons’ elements are “what their corruption takes the form of”. And no Elder Dragon has “animals” as their form of corruption.

And we really don’t know if Mordremoth’s minions are corrupted plants, or plants that he created out of something else. Exception being Aerin and Ceara, naturally.

Lyndis.4653:

Thanks to your corrections I can see how there cannot be such straight connections but only Dwayna/Jormag is completely irrelevant IMO, all other associations are still legitimate to me.

If I wanted to go further I could try to tie Dwayna with Zhaitan : goddess of life and a dragon that can bring life to dead bodies… Grenth’s ice aspect would match Jormag. But I see how far the connections would be and won’t try to defend that^^

But Dhuum doesn’t have any connection to ice. Just as Kormir doesn’t have connection to water. You push off Kormir for her youth, but would Grenth not be just as “too young”? Sure, he may be a millenia older than Kormir, but Dhuum is how much older than Grenth? And the Elder Dragons how much older than Grenth?

IMO, if you want to try to connect the gods to something, you need to look at all generations.

And when you do, you see the norn’s viewpoint of the Six Gods being very truthful and direct on what the gods are. The norn view the Six Gods as “Spirits of Action” and call them not by their names, but by what they represent. In this, we’re told they call Kormir “Knowledge”, Grenth is “Death”, and Balthazar is “War.” We don’t know what the norn would call Dwayna, Melandru, and Lyssa, but I suspect it to be Life, Nature, and Beauty personally (those are their most basic and action-related concepts; illusion is, like fire for balthazar or ice for Grenth, used to emphasize the concept of beauty – for example, the Scriptures of Lyssa focus on the inner beauty seen beyond the external illusion).

So, in my opinion, if you go about trying to make a tie of the Six Gods to anything, what you should be looking for in connections is:

Life, Nature, War, Death, Beauty, and Knowledge

Not the aspects like water and ice that disappear and appear across the generations. Stick to what remains constant amongst the gods.

And when you take the Elder Dragons, you have:

Undeath, Vegetation, Fire, Ice, Crystal, and Water

And when you look at that… the only connections you could possibly argue, is Nature and Death (or Life).

Hmmm… actually, with some string pulling, I could see a potential tie to all six… this needs further thoughts.

But in all honesty, it really feels like rather than parallels, the Elder Dragons complete the concepts of life that the Six Gods’ primary aspects begin to show. Because by combining, rather than comparing, you have “Life, Death, and Undeath” which feels much more complete than just “Undeath” (the oddball of the group of Elder Dragons) or “Life and Death” (though in ‘natural’ cases, this would be complete… if you exclude rebirth – and what is undeath if not simply rebirth in the same body?).

Lyndis.4653:

I bet the dragon’s relationship with each other might be close the god’s : well known entities of the same kind that will not interfere with each other unless needed (Grenth and Dwayna confront each other every Windersday for instance).

You’re right, Balthazar is no leader but I’m not sure Dwayna is, I tried to check and read that she was the first to come to Tyria but no mentioning of any leadership.

One the first, the Six Gods are very much allied (in most cases). They even lived in the same city. Unlike the ELder Dragons whom are all compared to apex predators – thus avoid each other.

And yes, Dwayna is mentioned – many times, in fact – to be the leader of the gods. The earliest ever piece of lore on Dwayna, the Prophecies manual, as well as all other GW1 manuals, state this outright. Quoting the Prophecies manual:

The goddess of life and air, Dwayna is the even-tempered leader of the old gods. Her followers are mainly healing Monks and Elementalists specializing in air magic (though in times of war, there are few denizens of Tyria who have not let fly a prayer to the Winged Goddess to spare them or their loved ones). Dwayna is often depicted as young, tall, and slender rising over the ground on huge feathered wings.

Such used to be on the GW1 wiki but it was removed for god knows what reason Santax had.

The confrontation between Grenth and Dwayna is hardly any form of rivalry, by the way, but seems to be a dispute of opposing viewpoints.

Lyndis.4653:

Lyssa is also chaos and non elemental energy, isn’t she ? I think Kralkatorrik could very embody those aspects.

Kralkatorrik is not chaos, and he is very much elemental – he directly utilizes lightning and becomes sandstorms, his blood is crystal (earth), and his minions use flame, lightning, crystal, and soil/rock attacks.

And I wouldn’t say that Lyssa is “non-elemental energy” at all, as that’s a very wide-spread topic (we have light energy, dark energy, chaos energy, dragon energy, on top of the elemental aspects). Not to mention that she is tied to water – though in a different way than Abaddon.

Abaddon was the god of the everlasting depths. His affiliation to water was the deep, dark, seemingly eternal waters that held unknown knowledge and secrets.

Lyssa’s affiliation with water lies on the surface – the reflective quality that water gives, that similarity to mirrors. Which ties to her concept of beauty.

Lyndis.4653:

That’s already a tie IMO. He’s also related to animals in a way but in a different way.

I wouldn’t say a parasitic plant controlling a corpse of an animal is in any way a “relation to animals”.

Zhaitan, Jormag, and Kralkatorrik hold far more of a relation to animals than Mordremoth does.

Lyndis.4653:

There’s probably a mistake in the beginning because it doesn’t make sense. Abaddon has nothing to do with Grenth or Dhuum so I don’t really what is the problem here. I don’t mention Dhuum because his powers were transfered to Grenth so it is probably close to being the same aspect, their difference is more a matter of personality.

You use Grenth – the latest of the gods in the God of Death lineage – but yet you use Abaddon – the middle of the three known gods in his lineage.

If you use Grenth, you should use Kormir rather than Abaddon.

If you use Abaddon, then really you should be using Dhuum and Abaddon’s unnamed predecessor.

You kick Kormir out of the equation because she’s “too new” but wouldn’t Grenth also be too new? Dhuum and Grenth, while both gods of death, have everything else to them being different – just as Abaddon and Kormir, while both gods of knowledge, have everything else being different.

That was why I brought up Grenth and Dhuum.

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Abaddon*

Not Abbadon. 1 b, 2 d’s.

But anyways, the mursaat have no correlation to the Six Gods. In fact, the unleashing of Abaddon’s army (titans from the Foundry of Failed Creations – what lies on the other side of the Door of Komalie) in fact are the enemies of the mursaat.

So if anything, rather than Abaddon and mursaat being allies, it makes much more sense for the mursaat to be enemies of Abaddon (and the other gods).

I would like to note that nothing says the Eye of Janthir was made by mursaat – the lore of the Eye actually merely states that it came from Janthir, an island with a civilization of beings capable of True Sight. Despite common belief, nothing even really implies that the mursaat live(d) on Janthir (or that they have the ability of True Sight).

Originally, the model now used for the Risen Priestess of Dwayna was to be for female risen largos.

The statue uses the same model but different textures.

So naturally it’d look like a largos, since it’s just recycling of made-but-scrapped models. Most likely it was to be used for the largos in Malchor’s Leap – near the quaggan and risenKrait. Amalia or some such. Since the largos gets captured in the event chain (if failure).

Yes, talking to an NPC or doing an instance once is very hard and time consuming compared to S2 achievements that require you to do the instance a second time.

The only hard achievements in S1 were the very very few that required you to do a specific task amongst many, required other people not screwing up on top of you not screwing up, or repeating something a dozen times (the last being only on holidays for the most part).

They were hardly time consuming.

Finding all the lost coins in Dry Top with a guide takes more effort than almost all S1 achievements.

@Duke Blackrose:
That’s Sclerite. And nothing points to that being the names of his minions. Though such is possible, sclerite is the hard shells of crustaceans (more or less, as I understand it).

Hence my suggestion in the lore forum: Scleritethin. Because Mordrem and Mordremoth. 8D

Though in all honesty, his name likely isn’t a kin to the minions’ name. Only Mordremoth has that scenario atm.

Malediktus.9250:

Stupid idea, people would choose the best parts first, such as body and legs.
Also your idea would make pinnacle weapons totally meaningless.

If that’s what they want, then why not?

Oh, I’m sorry, you want to have your kitten a mile long. So of course only things you can get should be allowed.

Right.

Vikkela.7261:

lol, people who farmed easy AP from LS1 are all like “the requirements are OK”

I farmed AP throughout most of LS1 – only really missing stuff for when I was out of town (Secret of Southsun, Twilight Assault, The Origins of Madness) and SAB:RtS and A Very Merry Wintersday as I was burned out at those points.

I do not like these requirements.

skullmount.1758:

At 1:40, the thing up on the pedestal in the background (under the flag), thats not the blue krait orb thing, is it?
Whatever it is, its floating.

Nice catch, but that doesn’t have the same model.

The glow is brighter – more of a white-blue – and it has what appears to be bars around it.

The Krait Orb/Blue Orb/Water Orb was darker than that, and not as bright. Plus it didn’t float.

There are some Pact stuff that are a light blue color so it could be amongst those things.

GW takes names from a lot of cultures. Jormag and most norn stuff are named after Norse cultures. A lot of charr is taken from Roman, Greek, and Mongolian culture.

More than just the abrahamic.

The DSD is likely to share a theme with anything that may have inspired parts of quaggan or krait cultures.

Just have any piece of either set obtainable at any point any piece is obtainable currently.

E.g., at 3k point, you have 12 options, not 2.

You would still need at least 18k to get a complete set. And 36k for both.

And for the Pinnacle weapons, have the Pinnacle skin obtainable after you have obtained the respective Zenith skin.

E.g., if you pick Zenith Dagger at 1k, you can pick any other Zenith and just Pinnacle Dagger at 2k.

You’ll still need the same amount to get all Zenith and Pinnacle weapons, but allows players to get the skins they want first.

Grenth was tied to ice when he was a half-god, as well as his earliest mention as God in 48 BE, 49 years before Abaddon’s fall. And while not called goddess of water yet, Lyssa had ties to water before Kormir’s rise (Mirror of Lyss in Vabbi was a big lake beneath a temple to Lyssa). Dhuum, it should be noted, has no me.tion of ties to ice, nor does Kormir to water.

Abaddon had a predecessor too, though we don’t know who it was. Theories point to the god named in the GW.dat: Arachnia.

Missed this before:

The Inquest might know of it full and well. Heck, maybe Thaumanova was built around that concept, but seeing how it went they figured something must be wrong and tried a new approach with the Infinity Coil, either unaware that the Thaumanova was more a result of the intersecting ley-lines, or they ruled out that the ley-lines were at fault, disregarding Scarlet’s opinion (as they did before).

The Inquest didn’t build Thaumanova. Most likely, at least. Thaumanova was an asura city that had a secret Inquest lab beneath it. The reactor was built with/for study of chaos magic, and the Inquest accidentally mixed in Dragon Energy. It was not built with dragon’s in mind. The Infinite Coil Reator was.

CureForLiving.5360:

I thought it was a the mainsteam Asuran believe that the Inquest aren’t very smart.

No, more that the common asura don’t like Inquest so they insult them by calling them stupid. Kind of like most people who cannot think of legitimate arguments for why beliefs they don’t like are bad.

Also, the Mists are protomatter. Hard to say the state of matter. I’d presume gas, given the appearance one sees in the Heart of the Mists.

1. The Crucible of Eternity takes place in 1325 AE, not in 1327 AE. Having Mordrem in there now wouldn’t make much sense, as it’s stuck in time (unlike the open world which is a “stuck in time until updated” scenario).
2. The Great Jungle Wurm still isn’t confirmed to be influenced by Mordremoth, technically. It’s only been speculation, and still is. In fact, the rise of Mordremoth and lack of any “Blighted” implies that the Great Jungle Wurm is NOT influenced by Mordremoth.
3. What RedStar said.

I’ll address things in order. Like Drax said, this has been brought up – and pretty much shot down – innumerable times.

1. Primordus is no leader, no more than any other Elder Dragon. The Elder Dragons are not enemies, per se, but they are not allies. Primordus was merely the first to wake up. And Balthazar isn’t the leader of the Six Gods – Dwayna is.
2. “Kralkatorrik=Lyssa” – you’re not the first to suggest such, however, aside from the color purple (which Abaddon also shares) there is no real tie between the two. Lyssa is purple, yes, but she is beauty and illusion; Kralktorrik is crystal and lightning. Hardly a similarity.
3. Mordremoth has no ties to animals, other than using them with parasitic-like plant minions (Mordrem Wolf and seemingly the new tall Mordrem in the trailer – looks like fungus is growing on some troll-like animal).
4. Dwayna has nothing associated with cold, so I’m not sure why you say “anything that is cold in GW1 lore although he shares that role with Dwayna”.
5. There’s no connection between Jormag and Dwayna – people have tried suggesting that Jormag is wind, not ice, because of blizzard and he’s in the mountains, but this is false as his corruption takes form as ice. And yes, Dwayna is air, but she’s related to soothing air, and warmth. She brings an end to coldness (she brings spring after winter).
6. The DSD does have noticeable impact on the world. As drax pointed out, it was the DSD that pushed the krait, quaggan, largos, and karka into Tyria.
7. You used Grenth earlier, but now you use Abaddon. This doesn’t really work. Because Kormir has no ties to water – Lyssa took that when Kormir ascended. If you use Abaddon, you should be using Dhuum, who has no ties to ice and whom you ignore completely yet you choose to ignore Kormir because “she was here way too late to have anything to do with elder dragons.”
8. On that note: ALL gods were here “way too late to have anything to do with elder dragons”. The Six Gods arrived on Tyria well after the Elder Dragons fell asleep. The Elder Dragons predate the Six Gods by tens of thousands of years (the Six Gods arrived after they fell asleep last time, but the Elder Dragons have had at least two previous awakenings – putting them to be at least 20,000 years old, if not 30,000 years old at least).

Are elder dragons evil forms of the gods who disappeared to turn into dragons ?
They are separate entities. Six Gods come from another world entirely, while the Elder Dragons have “always been here” (words of Jeff Grubb on the ED always being on Tyria).

Are they there antagonists that were defeated and sealed within Tyria ?
They fell asleep due to starvation. They consumed all magic (they could reach) in the world and fell to sleep to let it regrow. That is their cycle. Their previous awakening ended sooner than usual due to the Bloodstone though.

Maybe that is how the gods brought magic to Tyria in the first place.
Technically, the gods didn’t. The seers sealed all ambient magic not corrupted by the Elder Dragons into the original Bloodstone; the Six Gods found the Bloodstone after they arrived on the world, and released the magic from within.

Sure, the Inquest could mess up.

But why does no one presume that this design is what’s messed up?

I’ve seen folks suspect it to be Priory-related, so if this is so, doesn’t the Priory mess things up? And for that matter, don’t they know little on the workings of the Elder Dragons?

My point being is that we shouldn’t suddenly proclaim “this is the right way!” when we have no context for this design, and the design itself could be false.

I can see sylvari converting to the faith of the human gods. But why would asura, charr, and norn?

Norn already have their diety-like figures and they don’t question the existence of the Six Gods. They don’t worship anything, but do revere their Spirits of the Wild. They already view the Six Gods as “Spirits of Action” and call them by what they represent: War, Death, Knowledge, etc. rather than by names like Balthazar, Grenth, and Kormir (reason being: names for deities are such quaint, human things – paraphrasing Jeff Grubb). Why would they convert to follow the Six Gods, if they already have powerful beings that guide them and consult with them – and have far longer than the gods – especially when the norn consider the gods to be on par with the Spirits of the Wild?

The charr seek to KILL the Six Gods, on the whole. While there may be some religious charr, they are either Flame Legion (thus seek to bring Gaheron into godhood… or whatever it is they seek now that he’s dead and the Eternal Flame is destroyed), or thought to be Flame Legion by all other charr. They have no reason to worship the Six Gods, and their return would only entice hostility, not converts.

The asura revere something greater than the Six Gods, even if the gods were to show up in front of them they’d still go “yeah, you’re great, but your just a cog in the Eternal Alchemy still, even if a big one. No different than the Elder Dragons in that regard.” Why would asura convert to merely worshiping a piece of what they already worship?

On charr guardians – nothing says they think charr guardians are cowardly. I don’t know where you got that. They don’t trust magic users, and this includes guardians, but I’d imagine guardians to be amongst the most trustworthy, since they watch their warband’s back.

You’ll only unlock the items if you kept the items, and you log onto the character with the items (or they were in your bank).

You only go to the BL trader [Armorsmith] for receiving tonics – which would be the things you purchased in most cases; the baseball cap would go straight to being unlocked in your wardrobe.

Again, you need to have actually have the item, not “once had the item” or the like. And you need to log onto the character that had the item.

After the initial light-up glow (which I still say is yellow with hints of black and would argue that the yellow is mostly due to ‘how do you light up black’ – usually, it’s violet, but we have a purple orb), the “M” orb then looks like lime green. While the “Z” orb is more of a pure green.

If one calls both orbs “green” then where is black? And why doesn’t the Infinite Coil Reactor have a, say, “Zone Lime” instead?

So again, there seems to be a conundrum, regardless.

A bit more serious, I’m going to go with Scleritethin that I made as a joke until we get something better and not silly sounding like Bubbles or Steve.

Reasoning:

1. Sclerite weapons (and the Consortium Harvesting Tool) have a design that would, to me, indicate some form of corruption; the Sclerite Karka Shell has tentacles (the one and only attribute given to DSD’s minions). Though Sclerite is effectively the shells of crustaceans, I don’t think this outright discounts the potential as minion name, given that all dragon minions are named after “what they are” or “what they look like” (icebrood – a brood made of ice; branded – named after the Dragonbrand; Mordrem – comes from Mordremoth; Risen – corpses that have risen; Destroyers – creatures who destroy relentlessly). So dragon minions that look like hardened shells would no doubt be called something to represent that.
2. Scleritethin itself was a joke off of Mordrem/Mordremoth, but I could see something similar to it happening, in all honesty. Most dragon names are names or words taken from elsewhere, and altered minutely (Zhaitan – Shaitan, aka Satan in Islam; Primordus – Prime, first; Jormag – Jormagundr; Kralkatorrik – some argue Krakatoa, a volcano, and Kralky was thought to be a mountain range while in hibernation by charr, though I would argue one of a onomatopoeia for the sound of thunder: krak-a-thoom). So the DSD’s name being an alteration of Sclerite makes perfect sense.

A counter argument, however, would be in this:

GuildMag: In The Secret of Southsun and Last Stand at Southsun, some strange tentacles were added to the Karka Hive. On top of that, there was the Sclerite Backpack featuring similar tentacles. The only bit about the deep sea dragon is that it twists water into tentacle minions; are these tentacles tied to the deep sea dragon, or to the karka? Neither? Both?

Short answer: neither. Long answer: only to the karka, and only kind of. The tentacles on the karka hive and the Sclerite Backpack are meant to be evocative of the effect Canach’s Fervid Censer toxin had on the island’s inhabitants, especially the karka.

http://guildmag.com/magazine/issue11/season_one_lore_interview.htm

Though that doesn’t refer to the weapons, just the tentacles of the karka hive and karka backpack.

It looked more like yellow-black than green to me.

Stubbles.

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(double posting for lulz)

Just had a thought and looked at the Realm of Torment map

Both it and the trailer design has a diamond within a double-circle centering the designs.

It was revealed some time ago that alchemy circle-like designs are used for maps of the Mists. This may be a map of Tyria from the viewpoint of the Mists (or a map of Tyria within the Mists), perhaps.

Lethalvriend.1723:

That marking translation does look very possible, and it also means that the whole ’Zhaitan’s death’ and ‘orb crushing into the middle’ does add up. Alot of people were thinking the green one would be Mordremoth but that wouldn’t make any sense. I do wonder what we will find out in these episodes because obviously something bad is going on precisely because Zhaitan was defeated.

An issue with this is the Infinite Coil Reactor (aka Crucible of Eternity’s structure).

The Inquest marked Black as Zhaitan, and Green as Mordremoth.

So either the Inquest got it wrong, and Black=Mordremoth and Green=Zhaitan

Or where ever this place is got it wrong, and Green=Mordremoth, and Black=Zhaitan

Conncept.7638:

inactivehyperaddict.6759:

Dragons = Human gods

Always thought that.

My theory: For the universal machine, eternal alchemy, to work each cog (world) needs to continually cycle through magic. To ensure this mechanic continues unended, whatever created the universe created six being over each world, giving them leave to see to it that the system function however they like so long as they consumed and then released magic in the proper timing with their role in the universal machine.

On whatever world the humans came from, the six chose to be benevolent Gods, but the people rebelled, broke the system, and the world was destroyed as they fled to Tyria. Now here on Tyria, the dragons are those six, but instead of benevolent Gods leading mortalkind they chose to take the form of Dragons, and scour the world to end each cycle, then sleep until the next cycle ends.

That’s pretty close to my developing theory.

I don’t see any relation between the Elder Dragons and the Six Gods themselves, such ties end after the Balth/Primordus and Mel/Mordy ties, but six powerful world-ending beings in World A, and six powerful able-to-end-worlds beings in World B… I think that’s more than just a mere coincidence.

Odinius.9826:

Bubbles’ name starts with an S

Topright image is from the new trailer

An issue:

Black = Zhaitan

Green = Mordremoth

At least according to the Crucible of Eternity/Infinite Coil Reactor.

The ceiling has the two backwards.

It makes more sense for Zhaitan to be Black anyways, as that means the right side are all dragons that primarily corrupt living beings into minions (Kralk, Zhaitan, Jormag); while the left side are dragons that primarily create minions from elements (water, plant, fire/stone || DSD, Mordremoth, Primordus).

But we can’t expect this location to have seen the Eternal Alchemy, so it’s not strange for a mistake like this.

Malchior.5042:

Odinius.9826:

Bubbles’ name starts with an S

Topright image is from the new trailer

“Sea Dragon”

It could simply be the Priory’s attempt to quantify the existence of a Sea Dragon, without knowing or assigning it a proper name.

Still, a very nice find indeed.

Presuming this is the Priory.

And one would think they would have the name known to them. Or at least part of it. After all, they knew about Mordremoth’s name despite it not being presented to us by the Priory.

To quote myself from the lore forum’s thread on this:

Konig Des Todes.2086:

I figured out the name of the Deep Sea Dragon!

Scleritethin.

And “Sclerite” are his minions.

Get it? Because Mordremoth and Mordrem…

-Thorn voice- Laugh kitten you!

AeriaElara.4297:

I would imagine it was intended for Mordremoth to be the black orb, Zhaitan the green orb and player speculation that attributed the opposites.

Then the Inquest also got it wrong, as in the Infinity Coil Reactor, while the placements don’t line up with the vision, the colors do. And Black = Risen (aka Zhaitan). While Green = plants (including husks) aka Mordremoth.

Mickey Frogeater.1470:

In other words it was Zhaitan that merged with the central orb(supposed to be the Pale Tree).

Zhaitan is dead and considering how Faolain turned Nightmare in Orr….

Could she be the new Dragon of Death/Undeath? Could we have just handed the Nightmare Court the power of Zhaitan on a golden platter!?!

I think that’s supposed to be the world, not the Pale Tree. While Scarlet marked the Pale Tree in the center in her drawing – look at the image in the OP. That looks like a globe to me. No landmasses on Tyria I know of, though.

I can’t see a sylvari becoming a new dragon, to be honest. And while it was said somewhere – now lost, but perhaps able to be found again – that Faolain and Caithe first encountered the Nightmare in Orr, she was not turned to the Nightmare in Orr but by Cadeyrn (“fully” at least), and nothing says it relates to Zhaitan – could be something in Orr itself that set it off. After all, the Dream of Dreams has access to Orr…

I just noticed that Zhaitan and Mordremoth are switched between the cinematic and the ceiling design.

M is where the black orb is; Z is where the green orb is.

Expiatus.4210:

Regarding the name Scleritethin, you may be onto something. Didn’t the sclerite weapons come out with the initial Southsun Cove release or was it the Secrets of Southsun Cove? Either way, dripping crustacean-like weapons released in conjunction with a once undersea land, ancient sea creatures…sounds like a stretch but best one I’ve heard yet.

I really hope I’m not onto something, to be honest, as that would mean very poor naming imagination on Anet’s part.

Then again, it would match the minion naming schemes of “they’re named after what they are/appear like”.

Such a thought isn’t new, though it was dropped the instant someone brought up what Sclerite is (basically, in super layman’s terms, it’s the shell of a crustacean).

Abaddon is long long dead. He won’t be returning – though lore on him may. But for all we know, this could be as simple as the Temple of the Forgotten God’s lore on Abaddon (where we first saw that kind of statue).

I don’t think that’s an old ruin – looks too new, to be honest. Unless it’s well kept. Which I find hard to believe.

Exosferatu.2961:

kitten .9460:

I’m so excited

not

I’m also not excited. Arena Net should put monthly subscription to Guild Wars 2 and put a price tag for updates for as low as $20.

I hope your sarcastic.

Because I would never pay $20 for the three story steps that are the episode releases. 200 gems, sure, which is $5. But $20 (aka 1600 gems)? No. Just. No.

And no monthly subscription either – I’d have to quit GW2. I don’t have the money for a monthly subscription – it’s why I play GW2, why I picked up GW1 in the first place.

I wouldn’t mind paying for all four episode sets in one go for $20 though. That would actually feel like a nearly fulfilling update, rather than 4 small ones over the course of 8 weeks.

1 medium size update every 3 months >> 4 small updates every 2 weeks with a 2 month break.

1 large update (aka expansion) every 6 months >>> either of the above

That’s called metagaming. I tend to ignore such things.

And they’re not roleplaying Order of Whispers right.

They’re roleplaying a rogue faction of the Order of Whispers at best. Or imposters. Take your pick.

Which means that the entire Order of Whispers (read: the Master and Preceptors and any lower ranks that are assigned the task of hunting them down) would want THEM dead because they’re a threat to the unity of Tyria and their own trustworthiness.

The Order of Whispers are good guys; their existence is known to anyone who pays enough attention – though most people consider them too shady to trust. They won’t kill just to keep their existence a secret, when everyone who knows of the Pact, likely knows of the Order of Whispers, because they are roughly 1/3rd of the Pact’s forces.

I think what’s happening with them is that they’re taking a single NPC’s dialogue as the canon for the entire order. But this is not true.

If what those people are roleplaying were canon, then every PC that isn’t Whispers would be killed off by the Order of Whispers not only for doing the Personal Story, but for talking to certain Whisper members. So would all of Destiny’s Edge, the world leaders, and many members of the Vigil and Priory who know of the Order of Whispers. Even Marjory would be hunted down.

The concept of killing off those who knew of the Order of Whispers wasn’t even true in GW1, where the main plot forces characters to ally with the Order of Whispers, but not join them.

In other words, if the people you’re RP’ing with were right, the Order of WHispers’ “to kill” list would include:

• Trahearne
• Queen Jennah
• Imperator Smodur
• Knut Whitebear
• Skarki Knutsson
• Sigfast Knutsson
• Logan Thackeray
• Caithe
• Pale Tree
• Almost every sylvari ever, really (if not every sylvari ever)
• Marjory Delaqua
• Kasmeer Meade
• the three explorers in Dry Top (whatever their names are)
• Rytlock Brimstone
• Eir Stegalkin
• Zojja
• High Councillor Flaxx
• Steward Gixx
• Warmaster Efut
• General Almorra Soulkeeper
• Wynnet Fairhaired
• Every non-Whispers Pact member
• Every person who’s heard enough of the Pact to know the Whispers assist them
• The 10 non-Whispers Personal Story recruiters

Yeah… I really can’t see such a list existing.

As to that last point: No single member is capable of manipulating any world leader. The closest they get to is being attendants (the Master is Lawson’s attendant, for example) and thus can easily spy and even if necessary reveal him/herself to give them needed information (like with Cobiah Marriner). At best, a single member would be able to get into personal contact with a single world leader of the same race.

Your roleplaying with metagamers, who claim to be capable of doing no wrong and can’t be beaten.

Find someone else to roleplay with, that’s my suggestion.

skullmount.1758:

That section looked, to me, more like the place we have to defend the baby dragon instead of Glints’ lair. Which would coincide with the shiverpeaks shot.

Also, when did Ogden leave his hut/the priory for Arah? (I tend to skip the dialogues)

You forget that when we did Glint’s Challenge, we were teleported to the Crystal Desert (press m inside the mission challenge, and the map goes to the Crystal Desert). Dialogue implied that it was Glint’s lair, even.

And Arah explorable mode. He’s the one who debriefs us for the dungeon paths.

FlamingFoxx.1305:

It’s definitely either travelling in time or at least experiencing/viewing the past. Pretty sure that’s why the hourglass is there and why it’s called “Echoes of the Past” – it’s a pretty cliche name.

I doubt it would be going into the past, unless it is via Fractals or the ritual from the crystal desert we experienced in Secrets in the Earth (sylvari c3 priory story step).

And yeah, the name is rather cliche – and very similar to the name of the norn C1 story step where players can meet Elder Thruln and learn the truth of the jotun’s fall.

Avariz.8241:

The trailer recap have shown a close up of in game footage of the zypherite Master of Peace at the end of the boss fight with Aerin. The close up of the Master of Peace in the trailer confirmed he had a clear golden egg tied to his back. This clear golden egg looked exactly the same as the golden egg in the ‘mussarat city’ cut scene.

They also focused on the new ship from during Festival of the Four Winds.

Each scene focused on one of two things:

A golden shine/orb.
The subject of the subtitles (Mordremoth, national leaders/figure heads).

So the DSD’s name starts with S, if this is so (I doubt it means “sea dragon” as it is never referred to as such).

Something to note:

Within or connected to each of the six side spheres are smaller spheres.

J, K, S, and P all have 1 internal sphere.

Z and M have 3 external spheres.

What makes me curious is how this place has knowledge of the Eternal Alchemy (or the Elder Dragons’ part in it).

Also: Tail, not tale. Took me a minute to realize what you meant in the screenshot because of the shading. That looks rather boney and undead… And Zhaitan lost 3 of his tails. Could it be someone scavenged one of the tails?

Edit:

I figured out the name of the Deep Sea Dragon!

Scleritethin.

And “Sclerite” are his minions.

Get it? Because Mordremoth and Mordrem…

-Thorn voice- Laugh kitten you!

New trailer: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/echoes-of-the-past-begins-november-4/

At the end we see the statue, then a bunch of crates with Ogden in it. Then a place very similar to gw1’s Dragon’s Lair.

@Lordkrall: I don’t see how you get traveling through time. You mean the hourglass breaking then we zoom into it?

With the Dragon’s Lair bit, I kind of thought that – an object with sand in it – to be a portal to Glint’s Lair. Y’know… Sand… Glint’s lair hidden in the desert… With sand… Legend places it as being within a grain of sand… We got there in gw1 via a portal…

Or maybe the baby dragon’s lair, if they differ.

Ogden has only once left the Priory, when going to Arah.

Abaddon is dead. This has been confirmed and outright stated.

Abaddon was in Prophecies, technically. Abaddon’s Mouth. No, he wasn’t in Factions, though hints of him – or rather, a threat behind Shiro – exist in Factions (Suun’s dialogue at the end).

I think you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. Ag least in regards to what to expect. A mere statue does not point to a plot related to Abaddon, really. And if it related to Elona, the text on the ceiling(?) would be Elonian, not Ascalonian. And the statue would be an Elonian style statue of Abaddon, which though we only see the head of such, is VASTLY different from the Orrian styled statue that we have in GW2.

1) The existence of the Order of Whispers itself isn’t such a tightly held secret anymore. In the past 250 years, they’ve had to expand their ranks as they spread to Tyria, this would mean exposing themselves. They even have a public camp in the Grove, and one of the ambient tour charr in the Black Citadel point a sylvari to the Serrated Tavern stating “the Order you’re looking for is at the top” (this is the OoW’s base in the BC).

Not everyone knows of their existence, but they don’t kill if others find them out. They aren’t like the evil incarnations of illuminati.

They do, however, threaten (and possibly kill) if things they want kept secret are to be found out. Such as the LA base in the sewers which 98% of the population would never go near due to its location (only Lionguard on patrol, maintenance workers, and your foolish child – or skritt – would normally go into the sewers and thus possibly find the base, and the first two would likely be informed of such, be agents, or bribed).

2) The other two orders know of the Whispers for sure. That’s a plot point, even, in chapter 3 and chapter 5 (when recruiting you into an order, and when uniting them for Claw Island). Vigil and Priory know the Whispers’ existence and how they do things, and so forth.

What wouldn’t be known is “who works for the Whispers” unless they’ve revealed such to the individual or is one of the rare ‘wears the uniform on official business’ individuals. While it’s not shown well in-game, the uniform is only used by those who publicly announce themselves as tied to the Order. Most agents, don’t.

3) I imagine that it depends on the individual’s assignments. The Pact is a separate entity if the Orders that receives most of its manpower from the Orders. But they only know what the Orders know and do in regards to the Elder Dragons. And even then, possibly not everything.

4) Tybalt sacrificed himself so that the PC and Lionguard could escape. It had nothing to do with his secrecy. And he was actually rather secretive. Being also a member of the Order, it doesn’t seem such to the players. But he rarely talked about himself, or gave unnecessary info out. And though his enthusiasm slipped through often on that first mission, he did keep that he wasn’t our senior on the field a good secret. And it isn’t like he spilled any order secrets.

5) I really want to know where you got the silly idea of ’ they kill anyone who knows’ when you can run into multiple bases and they tell you who they are. And the Grove’s very open camp. They’d have to kill all sylvari if such a thing was true.

They only kill threats. They trust the PC, as said at the Ebonhawke base or outside the Lornar’s Pass base, so they give a few secrets out. Those being ‘we are here, but this isn’t all of us’.

Zaxares.5419:

Crud. I did Forging the Pact on an alt last night and it jumped straight to Battle of Fort Trinity from there. I thought that because I’d already left the guys on Forging the Pact before the PS change went in, they’d still progress normally onto the “My Greatest Fear” storyline. Seems that isn’t the case.

Guess everybody’s on hold until we get more info from ANet about what they’re planning to do about this.

It should have been the case, though. So you must have been on Retribution or under level 70 when the changes went through.

Abaddon had a lot more dealings than just in Elona. Theoretically, if they didn’t remove the temple of Abaddon from Orr (completely) and left statues (parts of, rather) of him in Istan, chances are there would be remnants in Cantha and elsewhere in Tyria. In fact, it would seem downright weird if there wasn’t something of him in Cantha, given that he would have been around for them for ~800 years and it’s further away from the gods than Orr.

There’s also Snaff entering Kralkatorrik’s mind after the connection being empowered by the magic within Kralk’s crystallized blood (how Snaff eventually managed to immobilize Kralkatorrik) – though while Snaff deals a lot with mental controls in his golems, it’s unknown if he was a mesmer or if he just dabbled in that realm via other means.

It would likely be published by the Priory or humans, given those are the two groups focused most on history. Norn still vastly prefer oral storytelling, and asura are probably far too paranoid to publicize outside of working for an order.

I highly doubt they’ll introduce an entire continent in the four episodes that seem to be left of Season 2, when we’re still focusing on Mordremoth. Unless all of the first part of Season 2 was to lead into a Maguuma Wastes expansion (which I could kind of see).

Technically speaking, there is a “link” between them – in that the six gods knew of the Elder Dragons (according to Ogden), yet according to Randall drew power from Zhaitan without realizing they were doing so from an Elder Dragon.

However, the statements of “no direct link” is most likely in reference to the attempts to compare them 1 to 1. There is no official statement – in-game or otherwise – but rather the complete inability to do this comparison. Once you get past Primordus/Balthazar and Mordremoth/Melandru, things get confusing. People relate Zhaitan to Grenth, but then who relates to Jormag? People try relating the DSD to Abaddon, but Kormir doesn’t have anything to do with water. People try relating Jormag to Grenth, but Dhuum didn’t have anything to do with ice. Attempts to relate Kralkatorrik to Lyssa are based more on color and the fact that mesmers tried to enter his mind and he shut them out, but that’s beyond iffy when Jormag (and now Mordremoth) enter peoples’ minds.

Then there’s the fact that the Elder Dragons predate the Six Gods, the latter not being native to Tyria while the former is native.

So there’s no “official confirmation” but logical deduction has thus shown that there is no correlation. It just happens to be that there are six very powerful beings from World A, and six very powerful beings from World B. Though there may be a correlation in that which would mean that the Elder Dragons and Six Gods may not need to “line up” at all.

Elena.1543:

I like good stories, engaging content to the point you can almost get lost in it ,I enjoy pve mostly but pvp some times nothing to serious. I don’t mind chasing achievements’ or a grind if there is some goal to it . but mostly I feel it the community that a big factor in my enjoyment ,some games it can make or break it ,

Unfortunately, I think that story is the piece of the game that’s at the lowest point right now.

They’ve recently made alterations to the Personal Story that makes the last 10 levels of it completely “wtf?” worthy. The Living World’s Season 1 was made as temporary content due to a new format they were testing and though it will be made permanent in a new format, it isn’t in-game at all yet so you can’t experience it, and Season 2 is heavily reliant on knowing Season 1 events (in general). You could read up on Season 1 on the wiki or the like, but it isn’t really teh same.

The Living World in general has, in regards to story, been very lack luster in my opinion. It ranges from downright rageworthy over the contradictions and discrepencies (mostly from Season 1) to just facepalm worthy, to – with increasing rate of appearance thankfully – actual enjoyment and awesomeness.

The art and music has been awesome, and in regards to the Living World only, so has the mechanics.

If you want good storytelling from ArenaNet, go play GW1 if you haven’t. It is far superior to GW2 in almost every way.

As for community – the official forum is not a good place to find the better parts of it, especially as of late. Here you’ll mostly get naysayers and “the game is dying!” doomsayers.

-whistles-

Barnes and Nobles, Books-a-Million, and any local bookstore can all have them.

Ordering from online from above places, or from Amazon or the GW2 shop, works if you cannot find local copies, though most bookstores would order them for you to have them delivered to the store (something you can likely do online too).

This was a change to the personal storyline in the 9/9 feature update. There are several dozen threads on this matter already, a few are on the front page of this lore forum. Long answer short: Anet gone done kittened up the plot.

On the front page:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/lore/lore/Some-questions-about-personal-story/first#content
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/lore/lore/Is-the-ending-of-the-personal-story-fixed/first#content
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/lore/lore/Did-they-remove-the-3-Fears-Quest-arc/first#content

Primary thread on the matter:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/My-Greatest-Fear-Plotline/first

Arah was only in the very center of Orr. Outside Arah there are other towns and villages: the Village of Ewan, Wren, the various Bayhts we see were all towns and villages of Orr pre-Cataclysm.

There is a bit underwater, but nothing beyond what we can see in-game by all appearances. The vast majority of Orr is now above water. And that which isn’t is mostly the western and eastern coasts (such as around the Royal Forum and Observatory in Straits of Devastation, or Malchor’s workshop in Malchor’s Leap, or the odd underwater structures we see in Cursed Shore – though whether that was above water once or not is subject to debate, given the existence of the Orrian ports just south of them – maybe they were dams or man-made canals).

We’re on the ground for the most part, not on roofs. There is concept art of huge structures but those would likely be temples, the six gargantuan arches, or just conceptual art – not actually representing what made it in-game, but instead just ideas for what Orr could look like. Concept art is not the best identifier for how things should be.

We know we’re on actual soil and not roofs because we see miners and have plants growing. I don’t recall any “buildings with gardens on the roofs” as you put it – only structural gardens I recall in concept art was for Divinity’s Reach, not Orr.

dace.8019:

Didn’t ArenaNet mangle update Tyria’s calendar so that it matches our own?

And the passage of time occurred at the same rate anyway? Unless you mean the day/night cycle in-game, which isn’t actually the passage of time for the lore.

He meant the day/night cycle in-game.

Just another point where the “calendar syncing” gets confusing, since in every other case, ambient visuals tend to indicate lore.

Schwarzseher.9873:

Hamfast.8719:

I guess a Tyrian game-year must be 4380 days then. I wonder if they divide that up into 144 months?

The underlying sentiment remains. I’d like to see some progress. Lion’s Arch was the central social hub. With LA gone, and the Megaserver in charge of the universe, I have felt like a stranger in a strange land.

There is progress, Skritts took over the black market and soon will rule the underworld of LA. Prepare yourself to see people getting murdered by a bunch of Skritt while the leader of the group says: “Luigi, you dont kitten around with the Skritt family”

I know you’re making a joke, but that progress happened back in with the Festival of the Four Winds.

And it’s been how long since then? But between Battle of LA and Festival, it was how long?