Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
you are basing that murder is evil from our biological point of view nothing else,
lets take a spieces that cant die be natrue means but it wants to leav this world would murdering it still be wrong.
Jormag is evil from our point of view yes but given we dont know all there is to know about tyria then we cant say that he knows something that makes the elder dragons actions good.
a sociatys rules and normals determens whats good and evil and a sociaty is a huge groupe of people basicly.
there is nothing wrong with animeting a corpse atleast thats considered evil it is tho without respect for the people that person where in contact with.
and no im not evil in any way or form i just dont force my moral code on others and says it evil if its not like this, i try to understand why they will do something i would consider bad nothing else.
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
first off evil is defined with the eyes looking at it nothing else.
killing is not evil as that will make killing a cow or any other living being evil making the deffiernition wrong as nothing done for survival can be evil.We aren’t discussing killing. We’re discussing murder. And I gave you a very detailed description of what we mean by that.
“Murder is the killing of an intelligent creature for a nefarious purpose: theft, personal gain, perverse pleasure, or the like.”
animateing the dead is not evil and would not be in the real world nighter.
Are you telling me that if I could summon zombies for real, that that wouldn’t be an evil act? (laughs) Well okay then. If you say it’s perfectly fine.
and as evil is decided by the sociaty its working in that will make a village sacrifec good if that sociuaty say its good, tho it will still be evil from another sociaty that sees sacriface as evil but that does not make the act they are doing evil in that sociaty.
That doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter if they think it’s right or wrong. Some acts ARE wrong by definition. Killing innocent people is such a wrong act. Otherwise you could always find enough loonies to agree with your own particular murderous tendencies. That does not make it right.
curseing the soul would nighter be evil or good(as cursing can be used for harm or good that makes curesing neutral)
Cursing the soul, implies that you do not think someone has suffered enough in life, and that you deny him eternal rest. Yes, that is an evil act. It is a form of torture, and torture is wrong.
I think we currently do not know if the corruption caused by the dragons on their minions is a corruption of the soul as well.anything can be seen as evil looking trough the right perspectiv and thats the reason i can call the elder dragon evil for there acts as i dont know the reason for there acts nor do i know there moral code.
You do not need to know their moral code to decide if they are evil. Judge the actions first. Because many actions cannot be undone by good intentions.
gods and demons cant be proven to be god or evil. here is a question is lusifer(in the bible hes the master of hell) evil in any way or for?(remember hes also the archangle of light and god right hand into hes trown out of heaven for helping humans)
This is not under discussion. We’re discussing the act of worshiping someone of who YOU know he/she is an evil being. Not the ability to determine a god’s or demon’s evil nature.
For example, if the Sons of Svanir believe that Jormag is evil, and they still worship him, then that makes them evil as well.an evil act for our sociaty might not be evil for another sociaty with anothe set of rules/code and biological featers to take into account
That doesn’t change the nature of the acts. Evil is evil.
sorry i give up on you, your fallen so deep in the trap that i cant show you the way out of it in this chase, as you cant if something you worship is evil or good then you cant worship any thing evil, and none worship a god or anything else they know is evil, the sons worship jormag but prove to me that jormag is evil and we are god and not the other way around and they see it like that will that still make them evil?
and yes if you garther enough people to your sociaty and then sacrifeses people from said sociaty to a god then that is in no way a evil act
whats evil summening a dead body? without respect for the family and friends of the dead yes but evil no
i have one last question to you tho its semi off topic, is a evil action not something you need to do with your own free will before its evil?
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
first off evil is defined with the eyes looking at it nothing else.
killing is not evil as that will make killing a cow or any other living being evil making the deffiernition wrong as nothing done for survival can be evil.
animateing the dead is not evil and would not be in the real world nighter.
and as evil is decided by the sociaty its working in that will make a village sacrifec good if that sociuaty say its good, tho it will still be evil from another sociaty that sees sacriface as evil but that does not make the act they are doing evil in that sociaty.
curseing the soul would nighter be evil or good(as cursing can be used for harm or good that makes curesing neutral)
anything can be seen as evil looking trough the right perspectiv and thats the reason i can call the elder dragon evil for there acts as i dont know the reason for there acts nor do i know there moral code.
my moral compase is not wrong in any way i just have the abilety to see it from more then one perspectiv.
gods and demons cant be proven to be god or evil. here is a question is lusifer(in the bible hes the master of hell) evil in any way or for?(remember hes also the archangle of light and god right hand into hes trown out of heaven for helping humans)
an evil act for our sociaty might not be evil for another sociaty with anothe set of rules/code and biological featers to take into account
and what says that glints is going from the side of evil to the side of good and not the other way around i what hard prof that is true for any set of eyes looking at it
what im saying the therm evil is nothing more then a code set by the groupe your in nothing else and a diffrent groupe sets a diffrent set of rules(our races and elder dragons is 2 diffrent groupes) seen from one group the action of the other is evil but good from the other, its nothing more then that, makeing evil and good nothing more then a term used to control the masses and subjet to change depending on where you are.
theft cant be evil given that none owns anything there for you cant take anything that belongs to another person, and who gives you the right to say its your things have you made it(base component witch is pure energy if trased all the way back)?
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
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To elaborate on this, I present to you the definition of evil from The Book of Vile Darkness. A book that of course the Mad Queen has casually lying around on her bookshelf. It is quite clear on what evil is, and while this work of fiction is of course not a work of fact. It’s hard to deny that the definition is crystal clear, and also applies to the Elder Dragons.
Defining Evil
“Of course, even if you take an objective approach (in your game), evil people might not always call themselves evil. They would be wrong or simply lying to do so, but they might still deny their evil nature. Even the most deranged mass murderer might be able to justify his actions to himself in the name of his beliefs, his deity, or some skewed vision of what is best for the world.
A killer might slay any children he deems weak or unfit to reach adulthood. Another might kill children he believes will grow up and become evil themselves. Perhaps such a killer once had a prophetic dream telling him that evil was growing among the children of the town.
On a larger scale, an evil priest might believe that to better serve his dark god, he needs to destroy an entire village and sacrifice all the residents. Is that evil? Yes. Does the priest see it as evil? No, he sees it as a demonstration of his unending devotion and an aspect of his faith. Or perhaps he does see it as evil and doesn’t care.
A dictator might order the elimination of an entire race of good creatures because she believes them to be evil. She might seek to dominate the world and bring its people under her unyielding fist. But such a despot could also believe that she is a good person and that the world will be better off with her guidance. This attitude makes her no less a villain.So, does the objective definition of evil imply that intent plays no part in determining what is good and what isn’t? Only to a degree."
It then also lists various evil acts: “Lying, cheating, theft, betrayal, murder, vengeance, worshiping evil gods and demons, animating the dead or creating undead, casting evil spells, cursing (the other word is censored) or harming souls, consorting with fiends, creating evil creatures, using others for personal gain, greed, bullying and cowing innocents, bringing despair, tempting others.”
You may notice that the Elder Dragons are not only guilty of one of these evil acts, but several at once. Is there still ANY doubt that the Elder Dragons are by every definition evil?
(By the way, no one should actually be having the Book of Vile Darkness on his or her bookshelf casually.)
first point you make:
that is all a mather of the sociaty you live in that thetermans if thoes acts are evil.
all your evil acts your claiming(looks very bible like to me): first off define evil gods and good gods, then demons, in the game world animateing the dead is not a evil act in any way(look at the necromancer) define evil spells, then curseing(im gessing the curse you place on people and not something you call people) given that any spell can be seen as curseing(for fun lets take healing as an example of a curse, my curse is for your body to regenrate very fast for the next x amount of time thats the ide behind healing(getting the body to regnerat very fast)) now i dont want to go into each creatur you meantion so lets start with defin evil creaturs as your evil for comunicating with them but your a saint if not divine for communicating with god creaturs, and the last 4 out of 5 is something any race does as part of there nature and given that nature is nighter evil nor good then thoes acts are nighter evil nor good.
in a sociaty where its needed to kill the weak for the survival of the race then going to kill of the weak children is not evil in any way,
a priest sacrifiesing a village is not evil in any way given the villiage knows of it, heck in some sociatys it where seen as the greatest honor to be sacrificed to a god.
all your doing is looking at it with todays western moral code nothing else you are not going above it and looking with the eyes of other moral codes where your evil acts are good acts and even seen as the highest honor for them.
murder is not evil in any way its a mean to surviving.
lying can be a evil act but it can also be a good act to do, illustated with this, is it evil to be lying about your famielys location to the enemy?
cheating is also a mather of the situation, is it evil to cheat/scam a person that misstreats hes people off hes power?
is it evil to steal a weapon from someone that you know will use it to hurt others before anyone else can do something about it?
is it evil to betray someone thats about to hurt or kill someone?
is vengeance evil if you take vengeance without hurting anyone?.
to me your are fallen in a trap or about to fall in a trap, that only lets you see it from one point of view.
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
sorry to say but if anyone is evil then its all the current races of tyria based on the fact that none(not even the elder races) know where the elder dragons originates from but that they where there when the got a kitteniness in some kind meaning that the elder dragons are the origian habitators of the world or atleast the first owners of it, how can we get something from the elder dragons without there consent of them iveing it to us in the first place? yep thats called stealing it so we stole a world and are now calling the race we stole it from evil? ok so i go steal all your stuff when you sleep and when you try take it back your evil ok? and to further prove that we are the invaders look at how the humans got to the world(they got here with the help of the gods meaning that humans dont even belong in the world if we are talking place of origance)
Just because the Elder Dragons are older than us, does not mean they own the world they live on. They still have to share it with all other creatures, and they don’t particularly seem to want to share it with anyone at all.
and now to show you how wrong you are about all of your statments so far, i dare you define evil so all agrees on that definition, if you can do that i will say that your right.
and to be fair i dont belive complet destruction of a society is evil in any way or form.
and i also belive that forceing your morals onto others are evil.How can I explain evil to you, when you don’t think the complete destruction of a society (including killing innocent children) is wrong?
a psychopath is not evil hes ill per defernition of it so yep i will call him none evil.
trust me when i say that hes world is so many times worse then yours no mather what you have gone trough i can say that without hessitation. and i wont call a ill man evil if hes act that condem him evil is because of his illness and not himI think you may have poor knowledge of the type of people we’re talking about here. Psychopath isn’t just a simple word you just casually throw around. We’re not just talking about someone who is a bit strange in the head. A psychopath is an amoral person who knows that his acts are wrong by the definition of others, yet commits his acts anyway, and possibly even delights in the suffering of others.
And the Elder Dragons are not much different. They are intelligent, but as Konig already stated, they are amoral; they do not share our morals, and may not even have morals at all. But they know that they are causing death and suffering. They just don’t care what we think.
first off the fall of sociatys is very commen and happens many times trough history and as i dont see death as evil there is no way that i can see destrouction of a sociaty as evil.
just because they are intelligent dont mean they have to share the same moral as us in any way,
would you care about your enemy if its a mather of life and death.
and you have no right to talk about shareing given your a human being like me and we are the only race on earth that dont share it but forces any change to the area we habitat for our comfort.
i know what a phycopath is and can still say what i said.
the fact that the elder dragons dont see us a equals to them and defnedly not as supirior to them we are lesser being to them in any way shape or form.
then let me ask do you fell remores for the sloughter of cows, pigs or any otherlesser being for that mather?
by calling the elder dragon amoral they dont have moral but how do we know that? have you talked to them or anyone else and lived to tell the tale that shows they have no moral as a race what so ever?
given they see us a lesser beings they also see the right to slay us a cattle as they see fit(or corrupt us) without being evil unless you call any human that kills a living being for evil and if you do that then its you that are not following the moral of the sociaty not the other way around.
are the dragons killing us for fun? if so yes they are evil but there is no where they say that the dragons kill us for fun or corrupt us for fun,
the only time i will say someone is evil is the secoend he is hurting something for his amusmend with no other reason.
killing of a sociaty is not evil as this world is based on surviavl of the fittest so if that groupe is not strong enough to hold its land or what ever it is its killed for then its a natural thing in this world as something stronger needs that to survive and grow
tecniacly a Psychopath is someone that has no felling remorse and emphaty and no moral consicvenses for hes actions. there is no rull that a Psychopath needs to be criminal in any way or form tho they have a tendensy to be it
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
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you are looking at it trough very narrow glasses and only seeing one side of it(the one thats hurt by the dragon)
looking at the dragons side we are the evil once for trying to kill it when all its doing is trying to survive.Now you are making excuses for a monster whose motivations you don’t even know.
Let me simplify this for you. Do you believe that exterminating a whole race/society of beings is wrong?
and if you want to know im agienst most of the western worlds way of forcing its morals at others, when the wester world have a history 100 times blooder then the rest of the world combined(that history is amoung the reasons they got to dominat and are dominating so much today).
Not all morals are subjective. Morals are formed based on logical conclusions about what’s best for our society. For example, being alive, is better than being dead. No one is going to disagree on that, unless they have some sort of mental disorder. Fortunately we don’t define morals based on the ideas of people who are insane.
For example, what if the world of Tyria’s original shape is the form of the Elder Dragons’ corruption, and after they first fell asleep other races came in and altered the world, killing off hundreds of the Elder Dragons’ own race in an attempt to make their own world. The Elder Dragons would become the victims, their own natural habitat destroyed and their race mostly killed off. What if their actions is just them trying to remake that natural habitat simply because they need that kind of habitat to survive, and view the other races as invaders who are trying to kill them by destroying their home? The other races would be viewed as the evil ones, wouldn’t they? And maybe them making dragon champions is their attempt to recreate their own fallen and near-extinct race out of those who wish them dead? Would they still be evil if all they’re trying to do is protect themselves from what they view to be a threat to their very existence?
You are falling into the same trap of making excuses for a murderous monster. We’re talking creatures here that eradicate all life. Not just life that is a threat to them, but also harmless children.
It’s the equivalent of pointing at a murderous psychopath and saying, he’s not evil, he may have had a difficult childhood. Or maybe he felt threatened by those children, so he had good reasons for his murderous acts.
anything seen from only one side can be seen as evil or good based how it reflects to the side you see, seeing it from all side is something else tho,
sorry to say but if anyone is evil then its all the current races of tyria based on the fact that none(not even the elder races) know where the elder dragons originates from but that they where there when the got a kitteniness in some kind meaning that the elder dragons are the origian habitators of the world or atleast the first owners of it, how can we get something from the elder dragons without there consent of them iveing it to us in the first place? yep thats called stealing it so we stole a world and are now calling the race we stole it from evil? ok so i go steal all your stuff when you sleep and when you try take it back your evil ok? and to further prove that we are the invaders look at how the humans got to the world(they got here with the help of the gods meaning that humans dont even belong in the world if we are talking place of origance)
and now to show you how wrong you are about all of your statments so far, i dare you define evil so all agrees on that definition, if you can do that i will say that your right.
and to be fair i dont belive complet destruction of a society is evil in any way or form.
and i also belive that forceing your morals onto others are evil.
evil is all a mather of how you see it.
is death evil? hell no its part of life and a naturel thing and because of that cant be evil unless you will call all of nature evil and then all things will be evil but ofc that will also make the elder dragons evil tho.
a psychopath is not evil hes ill per defernition of it so yep i will call him none evil.
trust me when i say that hes world is so many times worse then yours no mather what you have gone trough i can say that without hessitation. and i wont call a ill man evil if hes act that condem him evil is because of his illness and not him
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
(edited by Korsbaek.9803)
Exactly. Evil is always defined by our own morals as a society. Now a Charr society may have slightly different morals than a human society. But there are some things we can objectively agree on. A giant monster exterminating all life on the planet is wrong, regardless of what his motivation is. It’s an evil act, by our own definition of what is right and wrong.
you are looking at it trough very narrow glasses and only seeing one side of it(the one thats hurt by the dragon)
looking at the dragons side we are the evil once for trying to kill it when all its doing is trying to survive.
and your even more evil for trying to forcer your moral at something that dont live by them and most likely dont care about your morals.
and if you want to know im agienst most of the western worlds way of forcing its morals at others, when the wester world have a history 100 times blooder then the rest of the world combined(that history is amoung the reasons they got to dominat and are dominating so much today).
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
then warrios have a few othere conditions they can use, i as a guardian have acces to burning, blind, bind, chill(tho only with hammer on crit if traited for it), vulnabilty,cripple(tho only with tome of wrathe)and weakness(tho only on shield of the avenger and in tome of wrath).
where a warrior has bleed, blind(tho only one option for it), burning, cripple, fear, bind, torment, vulnabilty, weakness.
a warrior has the possible of 9 conditions to apply but a guardian only has 7 please fix that then to;)
if people did not notice im trying to say dont change anything about it
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
@ Stooperdale
thats only if the elder dragons fit the agreed difernision of evil.
evil is nothing more then how you look at it, as everything can be seen as evil but everything can also be seen as good in the right light.
example man A kills man B would that be evil(most will proberly say yes here)
man A kills man B but now you also sees a scared child behind man A up agienst the wall is man A still evil for killing man B?(many will proberly begin to ask for more information about it before judging now)
any action can be evil and any action can be good its all a mathere of the eyes that looks at it, is any religion evil example we ask true beliver in the kristan belifes and then ask if muslimes, budist and the rest of the religions are evil, then try ask the same question for each of the other religions and there is the point ill make(i think buhdismen is most likely the only one to answer none of them are evil or bad)
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
even then some norn females could still be corrupted tho they cant be in areas where there are sons of svanir thoes we would not have run into them atleast not yet
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
if you dont change items ir might be some buffs from your build that changes in diffrent attunments or something else, your hp goes up the longer the match lastes and the resets agien when a new match begins(comming from the wvw bonuses at surten peaks)
why your crit and power falls i cant understnad unless your foods give crit and power based of thoughness as you have higher toughness in earth attunment plus you can use the armor from your weapon skill to gain more thougness
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
layers are not the salution tho
the only thing i can think of that would fix skill lag is larger maps and/or new servers
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
If you are truly loyal to your server you would leave the map as requested so that a better resourced and more coordinated player could replace you.
that is based on that there is a bether player out there and that he gets the spot instead,
if your loyal to your server you do what you think is best for the server not what someone else thinks is best
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
EDIT: Also wanted to mention this:
“You can’t compare this with humans versus insects, because insects live short lives to begin with.”
It’s a perfectly acceptable comparison. Compared to the elder dragons, humans live short lives. Elder dragons could have lived for millions of years and we know they’ve at least lived for 10,000 years. In the scale of that, how is 70 years not comparable to the life of an insect?If you conveniently leave out the other reasons that humans are not comparable to insects, like the fact that they are sentient, yes. But I brought up far more reasons than just that one quote you cherry-picked.
Everybody says “they do things I think are evil” or “they don’t think about the things they do.” I think about them like animals. They sleep. They wake up. They hunger, so they eat. Unfortunately for us, they’re higher on the food chain and no matter how much they eat, they can never sate their hunger. For the elder dragons it’s as simple as eat or starve. Self preservation instinct says eat and so they do.
Only they are quite clearly not as animals. These Elder Dragons plan, they form armies, they have very clear emotions. They try to manipulate other species, and bend them to their will. They don’t just eat and sleep, they also conquer.
we know that animals and insects also communicate tho we cant understand them.
animals and insects are very much compareble to humans and elder dragons,
the only diffrense is that the elder dragons can under stand us and we cant understand the insects.
i would say if anyone in this realm is evil it must be the humans(an alien spices goes in and conquers that much land and then begins to wipe out the inhabiters there have been there for longer then our knowlege goes back).
if you judge the elder dragons out from your morals or the charaters morals then ofc they are evil but you cant do that, as you would still not care about any lesser beings the same way as you care for yourself or anyone of same status as you, and yes compared to the elder dragons we are very much a lesser being.
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Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
But this still brings us back to the original question. Are the Elder Dragons evil? They crush us like we were ants, and in the eyes of the other races, this is of course an evil act. In the eyes of the dragons however, we may be nothing more than insects, and thus the morality of such an act is not even questioned. In fact, the dragons may not have a morality to begin with, and probably wouldn’t share our morality if they did.
Does it really matter how the dragons view their own actions, regarding the question if they are evil or not? Does someone have to consciously be making an evil decision, in order for the person to be considered evil? Aren’t some actions morally wrong by default, such as eradicating and displacing whole civilizations?
evil is a mathere of perspectiv and the moral codex trown on to you by your community nothing else same with good, so anything can be evil and anything can be good.
so the elder dragons action can be seen as evil yes and they most likely is from our prespectiv but they are most likely good in there perspective if they have a moral codex but given the fact they normally are a lone type of enemy then they might not even have a moral codex to begin with as there is no rules in a groupe they need to adept to(atleast not that we know of)
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
make reveald last 6 or 9 seconed and be aplied each time they leave stealth and lower the amount of times stealth can stack or how it works when stacking stealth, that will remove perma stealth.
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Some of the recent statements about the Elder Dragons by the writing team, make me think that none of the dragons really care at all about the beings they crush. They are like ants to them.
that is most likely true hey humans have done the same thing in thousands of years to each other, many of the European colony country’s placed them self as human beings and anyone else as subhuman beings out in the world, that is done to make you loss all remorse with making genocide of them or killing most and making the rest slaves as they are not humans like you or me they are something below that.
if you apply that mentality to the dragons why should it care if it killed a few nations or races along the way as they are only sub beings or animals in its eyes
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
the only thing i agree with is the resouce mangtment in more classes as that could be fun/intressting to try
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
This isn’t like for example the way humans took the Charr lands, and the Charr then took it back. The Elder Dragons have been asleep for a very long time, often lying buried underneath rocks and soil as the world continued around them. None of the races took the lands from them, because they weren’t living in them in the first place. They were asleep. And when they woke up, they made sure to drive the other races away with their armies. Keep in mind that the Elder Dragons have been building armies long before the humans were even aware of them. Take Primordus for example, who was already building his army of Destroyers. It is very clear that they started a war against the other races, and made no attempt to live in harmony.
You can’t compare this with humans versus insects, because insects live short lives to begin with. They are food for the rest of the life on the planet, and it has always been that way. Humans killing insects does not change anything about the role of insects in nature. And insects aren’t self aware, or intelligent.
The Elder Dragons are quite aware that the other races ARE intelligent, and that they ARE self aware. They’ve been secretly building their armies to wipe us all out, and a peaceful solution was never attempted. They are quite obviously evil.
so you say that you know if the land is not zhiatans that we have taken from him will he sleeps and when he then wakes up finding that this had happened should not grow angry and claim it back.
your looking at it with the human standard of time and that you cant as a elder dragon most likely dont use that standard of time given there long sleep and all, there day could be each time they rise and then each time the goes away agien is night time for them. if that would be true then it would be the same as someone going into your land takeing it from you when you sleep and then when you try to claim it back your evil and they are good. what if zhiatan is not trying to eradicate the races but trying to give them what they want instead(eternal life, reunited with friends and famile lost to death) and hes useing the only way he knows of and it might be the right way for him(i know hes inside the minds of the risen he makes but that could be a safty for not creating intearnal strif)
then agien the elder dragons could also represent our gravest sins manifested.
if we could fighere out how magic where made then that could also be a possiblity we need to look at, atleast if magic is from emotions of some kind, that could make the dragons our sins and some othere beings like the gods or something else could then be our virtues of some sort that we all draw power from that would also be a possiblety but thats only given that magic is from emotions or something simular that generats it in the living tings of the world
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Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Yeah, for natural forces, these dragons are not making a very friendly impression. Keep in mind that unlike an actual natural force, these creatures are aware that they are destroying civilizations and driving them from their lands. They know what they are doing, and they are strategically trying to kill us all. I think it’s a bit hard to not call them evil.
are the elder dragons driving the humans from the humans land or are the reclaiming there land that the humans have stolen from them?
if the are reclaiming then the dragons are not evil for takeing back what is rightfully theres to begin with, that would be the same as if someone when in and toke your house when you where at work, now in your chase you would be evil to take it back.
will you not try kill something or in another way make it so someone you know are out trying to kill you would have the least chances or would make it impossible for them if you could?
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
if you have the tickest then you can still buy them from a merchent in LA but the tickest are not possible to get anymore tho
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Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
When I read that scraps are now a “common” drop from BL chests, I used my 5 saved up keys, I got 2 scraps. Ok, that sounds reasonable… So I thought, that’s common enough to warrant a 5 pack of keys from the gem store. Of course, anyone who follows the RNG threads already knows what I found..none. Not one. How is that common? I guess common is still “unlikely.” I had received 2, or even 1 more, I would have probably sprung for another pack… But ah we’ll, I guess that covers my gem purchase qualification for the next time ArenaNET gives a free gift to customers.
Check the threads for people who have spend hundreds of dollars for “rare” chances.
I was ready, so I am not submitting to make a complaint, but it help make people aware than even common can still mean nothing!
RNG on in-game stuff is one thing but we’re talking about REAL money here! I mean if there’s any ONE place in the game that anet should strive to make people feel satisfied its the frieking in-game purchases! We’re supporting your game, can’t you make this fair to us anet? The fact that the first reply to this thread is someone who has already been through this should SAY something.
come agien how can it be that your unsatisfied with what you got from the chest given that the chest states you get a RANDOM price amoung othere things and given that you got that there is nothing to complain about tho you did not get the random price you wanted but it where still a random price you got
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
there is nothing wrong with the bank slots you start with and your not forced to get more but if you want then you can buy some but it is diffently not a must same with the ingame farming tools that dont break given that you can buy farming tools of top quality with karma so what your paying for is the convinice of not haveing to bay new once and the cosmetics,
in my oppinion there is nothing thats not inconvinent standing alone tho it is if you compare it to what you can buy with gems yes.
and the bank in hero pannel would be good as long as you cant take stuff out of it unless you use the accese point or thing you buy with gems for it.
stacking to 999 would be nice tho
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Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
there is and its very easy after you memerized it
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Get a Guardian. Provide AoE stability. Throw down Reflection Walls. Use Pulls. ??? Profit.
Now try doing that from the bottom of the well. It’s virtually impossible to target someone at the top, much less pull them over the side. Reflection and stability do help, but depending on the composition of classes at the top, you can expect to lose 60% or more of your force trying to reach a position where you can even hit the opposition.
One guardian can grant 18s of stability without boon duration. This is provided in an AoE.
And everyone who wants that much stability has to stand in a very obvious circle. Which will no doubt get carpet bombed by AoE team at the top of the well.
There’s no two ways about it. The well grants an obvious and extreme advantage to whomever controls the top. I’ve seen a group outnumbered 3 to 1, successfully hold control over the well for over an hour.
as long as you can use stealth to bypass that point its ok the hardest is the arena but given you can still have your stealth(you will have a nightmare in the darkroom into you learn it perfectly) and do that stealthed to so stealth from the start to end is possible with the exeption of getting to the first stealth
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
can you tell if they are hacking or just useing a diffrent screen size then you makeing it possible for them to see something you cant?
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
im agienst glitches where its possible to get out of boss mechanis in a unintened way and hope they get fixed at some point.
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Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Outside of the login medal and a few ap, I don’t see any reason. Atm I see them as cof grind weapons or tp weapons and do not hold the same level of respect for them as I do for…fractal weapons or arah armor as examples.
i hold the same respect for any set of armor and weapon as all of them are equal easy to obtain tho some takes longer but that wont make them harder
given your comment fractal weapon should give alot of respect(i think i have 7-8 in the bank just collectiong dust as they are ugly in my oppinion, arah is to easy and boring to do with the looks only semi ok where there are bether looking othere places like HotW)
but thats just my opinion, and yes legendarys are way to easy to maky in my opinion to as there is nothing legendary about them.
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
sorry the laurs gives you the chance for rings, amulets and earings but lets say you get one from guild missions, a amulet from laurs, and the othere earing from laurs and 2 rings from fractals(given the achiemnts point chest and peaks you will have enough laurs for that when you have done fractals for the 2 rings if not before) as there is so many laurs in play now
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Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
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1/ double drop rate doesn’t always mean half the prices. That’s just not how it works
2/ you’re trying to make legendaries easy to obtain … where’s the legendary then?
1)duobleing the drop rate will get the price to fall as there gets more of the item but the amount it will fall i cant say.
2) how can you make something as easy as a legendarie easyer to obtain?? all you can do is make the time frame for getting it shorter but not easyer
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
you can copy ingame if you use the shortcut for copy and you can past the same way.
the shortcut is “ctrl+c” and past is “ctrl+v” on windows
the rest i cant help with tho
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Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
the funny part is that the aoe cap saves the single player and punish big zergs the most.
lets take a scenario where there is no aoe cap:
the 50 man zerg now runs and gets baited for the smaller groupe to a choke point and gets spiked but because the 50 man zerg is running with a guardian(or someone else with aoe retaliation possible) the spike does some damage to the groupe but the ambush groupe is dead before the rest of the 50 man zerg notice they are attacked an from where as the guardian poped a retaliation that made each amusher get 241 damage times 50 per aoe attack they make
with the cap then the same scenario would not happen as the kitten by the aoe might not be the same 5 that now has retaliation
so i see no reason to remove the 5 man aoe cap unless there is made something to almost all the buffs and conditions
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
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Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
So there are a few things I’d like to address here, and get people’s opinions on in terms of what methods should and should not be able to destroy siege weapons placed in specific areas.
- Skills hitting tops of walls: ANet seemed to think that certain skills should not be able to go through walls, or hit things on the tops of walls, as they added a LoS restriction to Mesmer phantasms. However we still see a lot of AoE abilities on Eles, Rangers, and Necros being able to decimate siege that is placed on the tops of walls. Do you think it was right to nerf one of these things, but not the others? Should siege on walls be safe from everything? Should more skills be allowed to hit things on the tops of walls?
- AC hitting treb on third floor SM: I’ve noticed this tactic being used a lot more. With the extended range Arrow Cart mastery, an AC placed on the ground outside Stonemist Castle can knock down Trebuchets placed on the balconies on the 3rd floor. Should we be able to do this, or should trebs up there be safe? This seemed to be an intended safe spot for trebs before the increased AC range.
- The Zoom Hack: I think most of us can agree that this tactic does not belong in the game, and provides imbalance to the use of Arrow Carts. For those that don’t know, this hack allows you to zoom your camera out farther than normal, so that you can see over walls and other obstructions to hit things with AC’s that you normally could not hit. It breaks the game’s mechanics to bring an unfair advantage to people using third party software, and yet we have seen no action from ANet on it.
- AC is still the ‘go-to’ anti-siege: People don’t even put catapults behind doors to kill enemy rams anymore. Ballista, the anti-siege weapon, is overshadowed by AC completely, due to its single target attack that is so incredibly easy to get obstructed. I don’t want to turn this into another AC discussion, as we have many of those, but in terms of what tactics are used to destroy enemy siege, it sure has its place in this thread.
Clearing siege on walls with aoe skills is ok(if i remember right phantasems are not aoe skills)
i think there are spot that still are safe up there tho its still ok to have a option to damage to siege hiden away
any hack should be punished but as changing the size of your window of gw2 also gives a diffrent amount you can see makeing it posisble that way without hacking anything makeing it fair game tho anoing to play agienst.
i agree there are to few situations where the balista is worth it
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
with the new possiblety to buy siege on the TP i think that the siege on the siege master should be removed as a buy with silver/gold option and only have it possible to buy with badges of honor, and the badges of honor price should be increased with a factor of 1,5,
im saying this as the siege market should not have a control on the market as the only one(as the price on the tp siege cant increase to more then the price on the item in the vendor currently)
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
the weapons atleast is not the sameas celestial has 240 stat points, 5% crit and 3%MF where a normal exotic dagger has 218 stat points or 154 + 5% stat points
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Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
its kinda easy and very possible that the jotans build the monument and then left it as it was when something whent bad and when we find it the “bad” is degraded so much we can do something about it and take it over given its proberties.
given that jotans might have been able to build something ever lasting then they should also be able to build something to take it down agien and that might have been turned into a weapon
or the HoM where a secret place for there race as a whole or only knowen by a king that got killed and the place is lost to time into we find it
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
i gess zhaitan is aggresiv towords the othere races as he needs to else he cant get an army to get more food.
Zhaitan is most likely a not a rank but a NPC given the nature of the elder dragons and there life spand
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
if i remeber right its abowe the shield and wont clip it tho some of the awsome effect is lost because of it(tho thats only if my memory servse me right)
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
does it say that the event for the home instance can only be done in a time periode, as that would be strange
from my perspective and thought i think we can do that event at any time and after the event to get the instance is done you can mine to node
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Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
I do rather wish we had killed Zhaitan with somthing with more kick than asuran technology. Asura have become a literary crutch for Anet to use whenever they need a convenient plot device to appear.
“Why doesn’t Kraalkatorrik just step on them?”
“An asura built a mind control device to slow him down!”“How are we going to kill the personification of undeath?”
“The asura built a new type of lasercannon of course!”At this point it may as well be Elder Dragons vs Asura with help.
I wish we had defeated Zhaitan using a relic found in Orr or something. Perhaps an old artifact left over from the human god’s time on Tyria being harnessed with an asuran engine/weapon delivered by charr-made airships as the norn call upon the lost spirits of Orr and Sylvari purify the land to weaken and hold Zhaitan down. THAT would have been a more understandable defeat, and actually combine the strengths of all the races.
to be fair, the airships are the pinnacle of technology, combining asuran, human and charr technology into a single airship, so it’s not simply an asuran laser cannon. or atleast that’s what i think.
If anything, i wish that what we did was only destroy a physical manifestation of zhaitan, that his spirit lingers within orr. That would then require something similar to what you mentioned, finding an old relic that leads on to larger scale i dont know what, fully complimenting what the pact defines.
And with how the developers said the elder dragons to be “forces of nature” and “beyond our comprehension” you need to make them harder to fight instead of making them so bascially easy to fight that a veteran harpy gives me more issues then zhaitan.
When you kill something ingame and it feels lackluster no amount of lore otherwise is going to make the already pitiful boss seem anything more then he was. A walking target using the nerd fetish of dragons to draw people to think of them more then they were. I hope the future elder dragons get an actual boss fight with intelligent tactics and design behind them if only to make them feel like they are a real threat.
if they are a force of nature you cant kill it(the force they stand for) as something new will then take its place and become that force or nature will make a new force for the one it lost(nature has a tendency to repair itself)
the fight is lack lusten yes and could have been done bether but taken all into consideration the elder dragons are not weak
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
By the way, why is it that the only keep you can treb from SM belongs to the last place team? Seems to me that someone should of thought of that at some point, and edited the distance between the two. One of these days I’m gonna stop trying to apply logic to video games :/
Seriously?
Did you actually think about that before you posted it.. Clearly they lost the week before, and need an advantage…
oh the advantage of having our keep’s outer wall constant broken makeing defeinding the keep harder(the trebs can reach from sm to overlook to and not only just the other way around)
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Come on, everyone know there is a ton of easy fix to the hack problem. For example, have a NPC carry the orb to the keep. While he carry it you just have to protect him.
So basically making it completely impossible to take the Orb?
impossible in what way?
if its impossbile to carry it then yes if for stopping the orb then no.
a way to do that would be to kill the npc or make him flee if no PC’s are close of the faction starting him( there is a lot of possible ways it could be implented)
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
all fields that buff on entry is not limeted to 5 players
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Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Then why have I never had a problem doing it? The second you see them hit the floor, you immobilize them. Works every single time. I don’t know what you’re doing wrong that you can’t do it when everyone else can. Maybe your timing is off.
You seem to be a bit slow so let me explain this more.
An elementalist enter downstate. As soon as he enters downstate ALL conditions are cleared. He also gets 1 second of INVULNERABILITY, meaning you can’t apply immobilize. During that one second of invulnerability, he can use vapor form, which grants invulnerability for its duration. And remember: You can’t immobilize someone who is invulnerable. Since he is invulnerable, he also ignores any other form of CC, such as line of warding. The elementalist, who is invulnerable, proceeds to enter he keep, while still invulnerable. And again: You can’t immobilize someone while they are invulnerable.
As you can see, there is no point from the moment the elementalist enters downed, until after vapor form drops, that you can immobilize him. The elementalists youve been fighting are just bads that don’t know what they’re doing.
Did you know we can’t cross a Line of Wrading while Vapor form (downed state)?
We arent that invulnerable, it’s not like we have stability, but indd direct immo-skills have no effects..
That’s why ppl need to learn to immo right before ele’s drop (rangers are pro at it, no mistake)cheers
10k kills in wvw and you still dont even know your own class? After playing my ele in spvp, I can confirm that you CAN pass line of warding in vapor form. Invulnerability basically: Grants stability, Reduces all damage taken to 0, and prevents the application of conditions.
Immobilize is a condition. All conditions are cleared upon entering downed state. Immobilizing an ele prior to him being downed in order to prevent him from entering the keep is a moot point as it will be removed as you down him.
Question: How do you stop an ele from entering a keep when he has -97% immobilize duration?
you can pass line of warding under some conditions but under otheres you cant(given that i have stopped eles with warding skills before when they vapored into them) tho that might been a bug in wvw thats not precent in spvp tho
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
double teaming is not wrong in any way tho its anoing to fight with or agienst but thats something different. so in no way a cheat or anything close to, if some servers wanted and could mange it thoes servers could divide the maps between them and just stay on the last server and it would still not be cheating tho it would proberly be borring
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Time to teach Elementalits about their class mechanics again! Shame I have to repeat myself again but reading doesn’t seem to be a lot of your strong suit.
Immobilize the Elementalist: This has already been debunked. Conditions clear as soon as you are downed. You are given a moment of invulnerability between reaching 0HP and having your first two downed skills become available. Vapor Form becomes available IMMEDIATELY upon being downed because it is your 2 skill.
Please keep your complaints about stealth out of this thread. This discussion is about how Elementalsit can allow themselves to be downed right outside of their portal and then use Vapor Form to guarantee that they survive.
If you are having trouble with roaming stealth thieves, feel free to PM me for some advice on how to stop them but let’s stay on topic.
sorry if yuo can only think of immobilze to counter the eles viper from then your bad as far as i know you can also use guardian bubble, line of warding , ring of warding from a guardian and thats just the once i know off as i have done it.
yes vaporing back is strong for harrasing close to a tower but its a perk that the ele has same as th thief has hes stealth and how he uses it and the mesmers and hes portals and so on, its one of the few things the ele has with 2 extra weapon sets to, gessing its the eles perks.
in downed state there is the thief having cripple, the mesmer haveing confusion, the guradian haveing a aoe heal, the ranger haveing a extra person to heal him(pet). all has something
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
the orbs could be brought back if they hold some nice buffs that dont make you stronger stat wise in a fight.
something like:
+x% MF
+x% Wxp
-x% on repairs
-x silver on upgrades in towers, keeps, castles and camps
and there are also others mentiont in this tread tho i dont want to name all of them
you could make it so it where an event like the dolyaks going from camps as surgested that will remove any hacks for carring it.
make it so you cant take it unless you own the keep its in and make it so that if the keep is claimed it cant be moved if its not someone from the guild doing it, or make it so its a event kinda thing like siege gazer so x amounf of people need to do it before its possible.
but i like the ide of the orb tho i think it would be a shame touching the stats of our toons giveing a winning server a to strong boost
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
You do know that you can get the skins from Dragon Coffers that drops from every single thing in the whole world right?
And rather frequently as well.Lol. Like 1 in 1,000, at best. That’s not “frequently”.
1 per 1000 can be frequent if the drop of the chest is very high from mobs(i dont know if it is or not as im on vecation into the 18th and cant play into then.)
if you get 100-300 chests fairly fast then getting 1k chest is not that bad.
but i hope they make a chest(RNG ofc) that makes it possible to get some of the skins made trough time so they arent looked away for ever(only the BoA-BoP skins ofc) as some of them might be intressting to have at some point in the futur but right now they have little intresset to me i have it find with my molten sets.
i dont understand why all hate RNG so much. and i cant understand why people hate paying a few bucks for gems for something in the gem-store, given that we are playing and useing there game(Anet) for free.
RNG is not as random as people think(or atleast thats based of my view on the world) as the program needs to draw its numbers from something and all but hey im most likely not one to talk as i dont belive in free will eighter, but RNG is proberly the only way they can semi control the amount of weapons out there.
Commander Korsbaek lvl 80 Guardian
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele
there is no difficult dungeon in any MMORPG after you learn the mechanism of the fight and learend the counters(might take time to learn them and mastering them) as all things can be predicted agienst the AI you can counter it before it even begins.
tho i would like some more intresting fights(Null is a great start but more and diffrent once to would be great)
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Ayano Yagami lvl 80 ele