Guild Wars 2

This is how I imagined things would go in GW2. That is cosmetic updates every now n then.

Then the 15th of Nov patch happened…

I can only echo the OPs sentiments.

My motivation levels were already pretty low pre 15th Nov patch. Post patch, it’s almost non existent.

I have a feeling that most people that bought the game based on the manifesto are feeling the same way.

The game is certainly shaping up to be something completely different than what was advertised.

Not in a good way either.

Arreyanne.2683:

Ya they said that, my estimation of the cost in WvW 5000 Honor tokens per piece

Still better than trying to find a group all your level and running that repetitive dungeon over & over.

Fixing the culling issue would remove all this angst against thieves.

Unfortunately i believe culling is here to stay.

Too much grind for little reward. No thanks.

This patch destroyed the game’s 2 biggest selling points:

1. No grind
2. Horizontal progression

Why they did a 180 on their original philosophy I will never understand.

I think the number 1 issue should be fixing the culling issue. This is a massive problem in WvW and is the cause of almost all ‘Thief is OP’ threads. I realise this is no easy fix, but fixing this is the only way we can balance the class properly.

Reya.1895:

oh believe me … i know. i’ve been gaming for enough years to know companies don’t give a stuff about giving us oceanic servers up front, if at all as an afterthought … let alone timezone problems.

what pisses me off is that they gave out precursors. ltd edition skins, ok i’ll be annoyed but big deal – BUT PRECURSORS? ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

I feel you, I’m just as pissed as you to be honest.

Rare drops/DR in this game are the worst I’ve experienced. To hear that they ran a one time event handing out so many precursors and exotics at roughly 3-6am our time basically says they’re just like every other company. They don’t give a ….

A fellow aussie!

I’ll give you some advice. Get used to it, we’re the timezone that no one cares about.

LOL you were trying to do the dungeon naked?

Oh gee, I wonder why they kicked you…

What do you expect?

A lot of people like myself purchased this game because some of it’s big selling points were things like no grind & no gear treadmill.

A couple months after release ANet is totally changing what they marketed the game as. Very deceiving and they should be called out for it.

Dear ANet,

Thanks for running this one time event showering everyone that could attend with precursors and other exotic at 3-6am my time. For someone that’s invested 100s of hours into your game and only ever received one crappy exotic not even worth 1g, it didn’t feel like you were giving all oceanics a big middle finger whatsoever.

Please continue to alienate our community, we do not care, we love it so much.

/sarcasm

I’d just like to give ANet a BIG ‘thank you’ for running this event at 3-6am Oceanic time!

It was so awesome to hear about all the precursor and exotics we missed out on. Please run more of these one time events at this time so we can miss out on further epic loot!!!

Since ANet didn’t touch the FotM burst build, it must be as intended.

They also hate every weapon set except for D/D.

No probs, I came in this thread a bit late and should’ve scrolled up a bit.

Cheers for pointing out the answer.

TSLlol.4879:

This has been the breaking point for me too.

I can tolerate most of the things OP posted but the breaking point for me is this:

-Luck gets rewarded, not effort

I’ve spent most of my play time (800 hours from headstart to today. also played betas.) on trying to make a profit so I can afford to forge the Dreamer. I just wanna shoot rainbows that’s all. I’ve made 100g during that time with a lot of effort. (I still don’t have the precursor) Now random people who spent even less than half of my playtime get rewarded double the money that I’ve worked up from headstart ’till today just for participating in a 2 hour long event, while I got 2.5g for the same event. Yeh. Thanks but no thanks.

And this isn’t just about todays event. That was just the breaking point for me. It’s been like this all along, I just was able to tolerate it up till now. How could you make a fortune? Get lucky with a precursor drop or get it reforged from the MF, or find an exploit and abuse it. (side note: I’ve reforged 216 exotic shortbows. nothing.) … or be a mastermind on economy I guess.

Today’s fiasco was the icing for me too.

Seriously, whoever decided to make a one time event at 3am – 6am on a Monday Oceanic time deserves some kind of award! Not only that, but to shower those that could actually attend with precursors, exotics, rares, 20 slot bags, while the rest of are left high and dry…

I’ve invested too many hours into this game and only seen one single exotic drop that was worth next to nothing. I’ve been hearing people not only getting one exotic from the end chest, but up to three, one being a friggen precursor to boot! I’m happy for them, I’m just bitter so many of us get shafted because of time zones or real life.

Basically I feel like I’ve wasted way too much time on this game that was advertised as grindless. I’m actually thankful this happened as it made me wake up and look at the direction the game is headed. It’s not revolutionary, it’s just another standard F2P grindy MMO and it gets worse with every patch whether it being no build variety, the many bugs, the bot infestation, the WvW culling issues… I better stop there, I could go on and on.

I got my monies worth out of the game, but I just expected to play it longer than a couple months. Sad to see a company like ANet go down the ‘sold out’ route too. If only they stuck to their guns…

@Eduardo

So can you clarify what the new daze duration is using either the sigil of paralysation or the mesmer runes since the latest patch?

I heard they have virtually no effect now and as such are now useless, but I haven’t had time to test and won’t for another couple days.

Logun.2349:

If you got this far and are curious about the title of this post that’s how the bait and shift works when you advertise one thing and deliver something unexpected.

Quality post!

Agreed with everything you said and you said it so well

I’m gonna go pick up the new Hitman today, it looks sweet!

@OP

It certainly feels that way.

I had a pretty busy weekend myself, so wasn’t able to log on much. I feel so behind everyone else now that I almost feel like ‘well what’s the point?’.

To top it off, you know that big one time event they’ve been going on and on about? Yeah that ran at 3-6am my time on a Monday morning no less. Cheers ANet, it’s really great logging into the forum and hearing about all the legendary precursors, exotics, rares and 20 slot bags I missed out on!

I’m so disillusioned I’m honestly tossing up asking for a refund, not for the money, but to show my disgust at some of their decisions. I bought this game because I was told it was going to be different. I’m ashamed I fell for that old chestnut.

I’ll tell you what though, long time ANet fan here, but not anymore.

Oh great.

First i miss the awesome loot from the event due to it being on between 3-6am Monday morning.

Now I’m hearing they’ve nerfed normal drops harder after telling us it’s going to improve on vets & champs?

If you want me to stop playing your game ANet, just say so!

Yeah you could do that or…

You could just go back to the over played D/D BS build since that’s obviously what ANet want.

Been like this forever, been complained about since the beginning and no doubt will never be fixed.

My advice, suck it up and get used to it. That’s what I did.

If it does eventually get fixed, it will be a very welcome surprise.

Nice post OP.

There’s a lot of respect being lost over here too. It’s a shame, because I looked forward to this game and had a lot of faith in what ANet said they were trying to achieve.

I just wish they would actually listen and fix the game before adding fluff, which seems to disappoint more than anything. ANet if you read this, please start by actually adding some variety to class builds! Your latest changes pigeon holing all thieves back into the FotM D/D BS build is almost game breaking for me.

I’ve totally lost interest in PvP at this point.

I didn’t read your whole post, but I will say this.

If you like playing support, being hard to kill, while dealing mediocre damage and having the worst range in game, then go with the guardian.

If you like killing stuff, go the warrior.

C&D is not what has been causing all the QQ here in the last 2 months. If you think the nerf to C&D damage has a huge influence on the FotM build like you’re trying to imply, then you have no clue.

Every other thief build copped it much worse than the BS build, making it now the ONLY viable option. If ANet don’t correct this and bring it back in line, then there’s just no hope for GW2 or ANet.

My feedback? You need massive improvements in class balance. You really need to fix the core of the game before adding all this other fluff.

I heard you only have 2 guys working on class balance. This made total sense when I read the changes to the thief.

Instead of adding more viable builds, you essentially have left us with one. Obviously I’m talking about the D/D BS FotM build that you’ll now see every thief running around with. This build is easily the most complained about in the thief sub forum and the source of a lot of frustration from both thieves and non thieves alike. I’m still scratching my head how your so called balancing team could leave this build virtually untouched, while destroying any other build that other thieves might consider.

I see this as dumbing down the game to extreme levels. There is zero variety left not only in the thief class, but most of them! People want variety, not be pigeon holed into 1 or 2 options. The trait system is a sham at this point. It gives you the impression of choice, but when you actually look closely, you realise that there are only a few viable paths to choose if you want to be competitive.

If you want people to stick around, you really need more/better people working on class balance and variety.

I’m predicting next patch ANet will remove all weapon sets except for D/D.

Seems like the next logical step after seeing the latest patch changes.

Umbra.5180:

I wish they would just come out and tell us what build or weapons to use, so we get used to one, for then a week or so.

That’s exactly what they’ve done with the latest patch.

It’s pretty obvious ANet want everyone to continue using the FotM D/D BS build.

Most thieves here were asking for MORE viable builds, instead ANet turn around and nerf virtually everything besides the build that causes the majority of QQ in this sub forum.

It just boggles the mind and a clear indication that their balancing team really have no clue.

Right on Clark!

While their at it, remove mesmers clones too! Also guardians shouldn’t have any healing/protection skills either!! Oh and Warriors, they should just fight with their fists!!!

Scrapping free transfers like they originally planned would be best.

Asum.4960:

EasymodeX.4062:

It’s balanced when you die to a 2s channel followed by a burst after being CC’d.

It’s not balanced when you die to a 0.3s burst straight up.

If someone can press Venom, Sigil, CnD, Steal, Walk around the target, backstab, HS, AA 1-2 times and stomp you in 0,3 seconds, then he probably deserves the kill, don’t you think (not that it is possible, but just saying, pretty impressive)?!

This “discussion” about backstab being OP is getting more and more ridiculous every day.

Next week: Thief killed me in -10 seconds.
In two weeks: I was dead for 10 minutes before the Thief that killed me even joined WvW.

But hey, i feel ya – time travel IS a dangerous thing!

Djinn.7213:

Dear lord, you guys can’t argue anything.

Yes, thieves will get hit while on stealth, yes people will use aoe, but good thieves? Good thieves won’t get it by it.

Which is as much as an argument as:

Yes, Thieves can avoid AoE’s while in stealth, yes, they still can dodge, but good players?
Good players will still hit them.

Kindergarden arguments, really.

I wouldn’t even bother trying to reason with this guy. You’ll see him in EVERY QQ thread in this sub forum throwing around these made up numbers. This claim of doing 30k damage in 0.3s burst is pretty hilarious though… Where are those screenshots EasyModeX?

SFtheWolf.5179:

This is getting quite repetitive quite rapidly.

There’s a reason for that.

Look at the people constantly complaining, it’s the same people repeating the same BS over & over. I say BS, because most of it is just fluff, trying to justify their nerf claims. If you visit these forums long enough, you’ll realise the complainers are a very very small vocal group. The large majority of people have no issues.

EasymodeX.4062:

A Thief can deal 30k damage in 0.3 seconds.

I would love to see that screenshot.

Cheers

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

LOCO.1785:

Mounts just don’t fit in with how this game was designed. I can’t see how they would be implemented without screwing it up.

I can’t see how they would be implemented, so I’m against it? That is a very poor argument. Keep in mind that a form of mounts were added to Guild Wars 1, and they worked perfectly fine. And GW1 had much smaller explorables than GW2.

Just because you can’t think of a proper way to make mounts work in the game, is no reason to claim it is a bad idea. The only thing you need to worry yourself about is the question “would it be fun to ride an animal in GW2?”

To which I would say, yes!

No, my argument is mounts serve no purpose other than looks. We already have speed buffs and WPs for traveling, so why do we NEED mounts? We don’t, they don’t fit with the way the game was designed. As I said, the ONLY argument for mounts is for looks, which is not a strong argument either.

Have YOU actually seriously thought about how mounts would work in this game? Can you imagine trying to ride your mount through a zone like Orr? All kinds of issues start popping into my head and I haven’t even given it much thought. I’d rather the devs fix the current problems with the game before they dive into something of this magnitude.

He’s a sensitive prick that Giganticus Lupicus…

I’ve stopped running PUGs with this dungeon, it’s just too frustrating.

Dalris Thane.6314:

A key point of PvP is the “Versus” so, even in arguments, the odds that an antagonistic PVP person changes their mind isn’t great. They LIKE to fight, verbally, in game, likely IRL too.

That’s me! I play WvW, but in my spare time I stalk the streets looking for trouble. I just randomly swear at people walking by and then bring the pain if they give me lip. I’m bad to the bone baby!!

But seriously, it’s a PvP zone. You really expect the enemy to play nice?

If you’re that desperate for map completion, why don’t you take advantage of free server transfers while they’re still free?

Gankfest.4965:

Galneon.5096:

It’s not a clipping issue, it’s a culling issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipping_%28computer_graphics%29

Just doing my part and helping fix world stupidity… It’s an epidemic!

You got that right, you seem to be part of the problem though… LOL!

So is this even being looked at by ANet.

It’s definitely a growing problem, that I’d like to get fixed eventually. Seems like such an easy fix too.

bwillb.2165:

it promotes bad play

Actually, it punishes bad play. It’s what is commonly referred to as a pubstomper build: extremely effective against low-skill, unorganized opponents while tapering off sharply in the higher end gameplay.

Exactly.

Only people having issues with this build are average players (not trying to be harsh).

Most of the guys that have been playing for a while like myself actually relish the free kills these builds usually are. Not only are they free kills, but they’re quick kills, because they’re so squishy.

The Demonic Spirit.3157:

castlemanic.3198:

that’s one zone out of the entire map, and i know how frustrating it is, i’m at orr right now. for there to be an entire feature based on a single zone is far from reasonable.

It’s not a single zone !!!!! Many maps have the same issue !!

Really? I can’t think of any.

Also, are you guys just ignoring speed boosts or what? Most classes have some form of speed boost, which is essentially what your claiming you need a mount for.

Kreslin.6832:

It’s a very bad idea. There is no place for mounts. We have waypoints, we have skills which increase speed. With mounts it would be ruined. The whole system would be collapsed.

Even without any speed boon. Just stop asking mounts and think, just think. You are doing jump puzzle. Norns and Charr cause some… inconvenience. Think how it would be horrible, when someone will do this puzzle on his mount.

And again. We have waypoints. We have skills which increase run speed. There is no place for mounts.

I was going to write something similar, but I think you summed it up.

Mounts just don’t fit in with how this game was designed. I can’t see how they would be implemented without screwing it up.

Personally there’s too much other stuff I want fixed before they even consider looking into stuff like this.

I don’t know why people are suggesting warrior here, there are definitely better DPS classes to choose from.

Guardians are always a welcome addition to a dungeon group however.

But as dmt said, no classes are really ‘needed’. I’d suggest going with whatever class you have the most fun with.

Oh Snapalope.1378:

Apparently dodging red circles is a pretty hard thing for people to do in this game.

Dodging the circles isn’t the tough part with phase 2 GL, it’s the projectiles that just about 1 shot you even when your outside those circles.

Pyska.1457:

Same here, tried wvwvw but the wait time is crazy

Why don’t you transfer to a less populated server?

Your welcome.

LOL

Do you really think ANet didn’t see this type of behavior happening when they added a JP to WvW?

Deal with it.

Ichishi.9613:

S/D does not benefit from your zerker gear.

What the fux…

I think you better explain your reasons for that one.

Devildoc.6721:

Know what would balance a lot of things? a 1s global cooldown on thief skills since we don’t have cooldowns on our weapons. No longer than that, but that 1s would give people a chance to react while still keeping burst damage high.

No global CDs for thief skills thanks.

That defeats the purpose of our initiative system. May as well scrap initiative altogether and give all skills CDs if you’re going down that route… Which I would strongly be against.

Personally I hope they put more effort into WvW.

I’m tired of these bandaid fixes (removing orbs, free transfers, etc) that bring their own set of issues.

They really need to add more WvW content/features as it’s starting to get a bit dull doing the same thing over n over when I log in.

^

So squishy!