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I’d sort of prefer to keep things simple and just stick with the 5 we have honestly.

But I guess if they had to do more…

Kodan, for when we go after Jormag. After all, the Kodan, like the Norn, were pushed from the northern reaches of the Shiverpeaks. They might have some interesting lore (I would hope) and a decent desire to beat that dragon into pulp.

Largos, for when we go after Bubbles. Displaced deep sea race….going after the deep sea dragon. Yup, logic. Works for me. Of course, there’s the whole stealthy teleporting ‘thief’ (since the other word is kittened XD) thing going for that race too…

Ravious.4269:

I don’t like this theory, which is admittedly gaining strength, because the ED’s have never been “one to talk”. In the novels they were forces of nature…. it’s hard to see how Scarlet would have an ED voice in her head. I can see Mordremoth corrupting her and Scarlet acting towards the ED’s end, but this always seemed more like what a god would do.

The other thing is that she opened this window by checking out the Eternal Alchemy. I just find it hard to believe that a “force of nature” was waiting for this window to be opened. Assuming in the first place that ED’s exist beyond the threshold of Tyria (i.e., in the Eternal Alchemy more like a god), I just find it weird that it would be able to pinpoint a person.

If it is Mordremoth it will be really interesting to see how ANet gets around that force of nature ideal.

I get the distinct impression that Zaihtan spoke to his lieutenants, based on several of the story scenes. The wraith champ (can’t remember which story this is from, where you save a couple of priory teams then Trehearne summons a bunch of golems to help fight your way out), the eyes, the mouth. They all give them impression that Zaihten ‘speaks’ to them. Obviously he must in some fashion in order to give commands.

Of course we don’t really know for sure, whether they speak or not. Of course, they is nothing that says forces of nature don’t ‘talk’ either. Fantasy realm and all.

I agree that the teachings may not need to be magical. I will also go so far that magic may not have been necessary. The pale tree is a living, thinking entity. It is possible that in its planting and subsequent exposure to Ronan and Ventari that it in some way freed itself or perhaps it was not controlled at that point. We don’t know for sure at what point a dragon takes control of its minions. Perhaps Mordremoth was too deeply asleep to exert his control. We do know that minions can be freed (Glint), and we do know that minions have to be ‘taken’ at some point; so would that not imply that at some point they are their own masters in a sense? Sentient beings with the ability to make choices?

Beyond that, we know that the tree speaks to it’s children in the dream, and that all sylvari (with one or two exceptions) are born of it. I think she is the one setting up the protection, walling off the darker components in a sense. Perhaps trying to ‘save them’ (after all, they are her ‘children’ and what mother doesn’t try to look after her chirlden?) from the darkness that is servitude to the dragon. However, like all things dealing with the mind, nothing is fool proof. In some, it still leaks through, as such we have sylvari that have ‘gone over to nightmare.’

Bobby.3721:

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

Numbers do not make things related.

I would agree if it weren’t for the fact that each of these dragons shares some sort of element or trait with the six gods

Baltazar = Primordius
Dyana =Jormag
Lyssa = kralkitorix
Grenth = Zitahn
Melandru = Mordramoth(jungle Elder Dragon)
Abbadon = bubbles (Deep Sea Elder Dragon)

you have to admit that they are related to a degree.

I had come to a similar thought line. Although, since Kormir replaced Abbadon, she would be Bubbles god facet. Dhumm would have been Zaihtan, but Grenth overthrew him.

Additionally, both prophecies and eotn represented the facets of the gods as dragons. Could be a coincidence though…

While Dhumm and Menzies are both gods, they aren’t ‘reigning’ gods, like the current 6. Perhaps that has something to do with it. Of course, we don’t have anything that says there aren’t more dragons either. The only ones that might know how many dragons there actually are, are either dead or missing (Glint, the gods, the Forgotten, etc).

Edit: Incoming randomness. Here’s a thought to chew on. What if the gods get their powers from the dragons? Thus, with the dragons waking up, they pull those ‘borrowed’ powers back and as such the gods go poof… (Like I said, it was random)

Considering the various theories and such over the past several years, I wouldn’t say this Elder Dragon came out of no where.

Still, if this dragon is just now waking up, I could see how our attention might end up focused on it. Considering the damage the other dragons did upon their awaking (all of which are pre-game release), it might be in our best interests to maybe try to deal with this one as he’s waking up (if that’s indeed the case) rather than after he’s gotten a foothold.

Why do I think we’re in an awaking stage? Couple of reasons:

First, we know that Primordus’ awaking was delayed when we took out his master minion in GW1. If the pale tree was indeed to be the jungle dragon’s champion, it’s corruption to the side of good could have had an equivalent effect on the jungle dragons awaking, pushing it back.

Second, because we don’t have any information on this dragon. We don’t have any displaced races (examples: Jormag pushed out the norn and kodan, bubbles pushed out the krait and largos, Primordus pushed out the asura) . We don’t have any unaligned dragon minions. We have nothing, except the minor hint that the dragons and human gods may somehow be linked (6 gods, 6 dragons. does sort of make sense) and Themanova. We know the reactor was using draconic energy, it’s been confirmed.

Just my 2c I guess.

/no to mounts

As much as I would like to see another waypoint…or 2.. in EotM, I understand why there are not more. There is strategy and tactic to having to use your own two feet.

Can it be annoying or frustrating? Sure. Won’t argue that.

Not much regarding the game brings me ‘down.’ I acknowledge quite frequently and openly that there are things that I don’t necessarily like about the game. I give my feedback to the devs, and make opinion heard. That’s all I can really do. I’m aware that I can perhaps help to influence the choices they make and the direction they are willing to go, but I’m perfectly fine with being a player, not the one in charge. I feel so bad for them sometimes.

What does tend to bring me down; however, are the people. The other players of this game. There is so much hate and negativity, not just on the forums, but seeping into the game itself. Like black mold growing just under the surface, poisoning the very air we breathe. I used to run across lots of decent, even helpful, players in the game. Mainly in pve, but I’d had some luck in fractals, spvp, and wvw as well. Not so anymore though. There is too much impatience, too much intolerance. Someone is more apt now to holler at you for being a ‘noob’ than they are to offer a quick suggestion. It’s very disheartening.

How challenging is it for me….. hmmmmm….

Depends on several factors:
What I’m doing.
What character I’m trying to do it on.
How much I’m actually paying attention (when I’m giggling in chat with some of my guildies for example, the answer to this questions is ‘not very much’)

Generally speaking, I usually only find things challenging the first couple of times I do them. Mainly because I’m not knowledgeable in what needs to happen or what needs to be done. Once I have a solid understanding of the process, I’m usually decent at the repetition.

In a lot of instances, even the initial challenge wouldn’t be quite so difficult, except for the human factor thrown in. Too many people are less than helpful in this game.

chuckle

No thank you. I rarely have map chat on; I’d absolutely never have world chat on.

I am also an Anvil Rock native and tend to agree that the train is not ‘killing’ our server. However, considering most of the players I have met/talked to/argued with tend to be spvp players might be part of the issue.

There is no one thing that is hurting our server.

The pve world is huge, and pve players aren’t all necessarily going to congregate in the same places. Some will being doing dungeons, some will be in the champ train, some will be doing quests or clearing maps, others might be doing guild stuff.

You have 2 additional modes that split people up further. In the beginning, Anvil Rock got designated the ‘unofficial pvp’ server and that’s where a lot of the spvp people went.

Then came the first several months of server hopping. So people could find their guilds. So people could get on the winning wvw server. Etc and so on. Since wvw was a big thing, and Anvil Rock was not a ‘wvw’ or ‘pve’ server, those types of players left.

It’s been downhill ever since. The wvw or pve heavy people/guilds opt to leave rather than trying to influence the growth of such a population on our server. Because its easier to go that route.

styx.7294:

Good ’cause bothering was not my intent =(

chuckle

It was the choice of the phrase ‘manly hugs’ which, for many males, would make their skin crawl. Honestly, I don’t understand why so many guys are uncomfortable with a simple hug (unless the person is groping their kitten , which ok that would be weird), but you’re ok with slapping each other on the kitten while playing sports.

shrug

And you guys say females are confusing….

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Female gamers are like unicorns. They exist only in dreams and cartoons.

:3

chuckle

No, many of us just don’t care to correct some of the sad delusional males…

Juan Ignacio.8903:

i will never understand these threads.
in what world u live in ? everyone insults each other on the internets and no1 cares what u say, they were probably in ts and said " hey look that guy is hillarious lets talk crap to him so he gets mad wololol" and u did lol.

“this is the internetz…”

That doesn’t make it ok. Not in the least! You realize that we carry back out into the world many of the manners (or lack of) that we use (or don’t use) online? Have you really looked at the state of society recently? We have to start fixing this crap somewhere., but there are far too many with perspective like yours. Thinking it doesn’t matter, when it very much does.

FenrirSlakt.3692:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Vol.7601:

Zale.9645:

Vol.7601:

Zale.9645:

Thank God for this. There is no question that WvW should not be required for a legendary and kitten all you kittens that say otherwise.

Gonna enjoy snagging my gift of battle without having to consort with you PvP mongrels.

Looks like someone has had their share of being a PvP ‘griefing’ victim

Never once PVP’d in this game. I have class.

Says the person who compares PvP/WvWers to ‘mongrels’

We’re not all that bad

True, you’re not all that bad. But just because you find one or two good apples in the barrel doesn’t mean the rest aren’t rotten and worm infested.

Can you tell that I’ve pretty much had it with people’s attitudes?

I can tell that someone needs a thicker skin, better patience and an introspection.

I actually have very thick skin, and generally quite a lot of patience. However, that does not mean that I should settle for or allow people to be rude obnoxious brutes either. Just because this is the internet does not mean people should be allowed to act in some of the deplorable ways that they do. If no one stands up and says anything about it, nothing will be done. If people continue to take the ‘just toughen up’ attitude, nothing will be done about it. It will simply get worse.

We are human beings. We are supposed to have some semblance of civility. Most of which too many willing just toss right out the window in the pvp setting.

styx.7294:

Zale and Lan just need a hug. WvW people are friendly people! Come here, guys manly WvW hugs all around

I’m female… so you’re not bothering me in the least…

I understand completely OP. My server isn’t much better; doesn’t seem to matter if the comment made is good, bad, positive, negative, or otherwise. WvW just seems to be full of the worst people. Of course, I don’t have much better luck in spvp or dungeons either. Tells you a lot about people and current society, sadly.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

I wholeheartedly agree that Rank 30 is far too low of a requirement. The Gift of Battle should be as follows:

Rank 50 WvW (since ranks are being combined account wide)
1,000 Badges (since you already get half for free from achievements)
Rank 10 SPvP
10,000 Glory

Glory is being removed… and what isn’t spent will just disappear, since they are going to make gold the universal currency across all modes…

I don’t mind watching them flirt. It’s been fun to watch some of the relationships (not just the romantic ones) grow minutely with each patch. Which makes sense, considering we’re not talking great leaps in time here, things should progress in small steps. More story and character building are two things many have called for loudly (myself included). So yeah, I’m enjoying it. In fact, I’m still howling more, more, more!!!!!

Delvoire.8930:

“There will come a time when you must achieve a goal at all costs. It may come in attack or in defense. And the only way will be to allow the sword to be sheathed in your own body. … when the price is worth the gain, and there is no other choice left to you. That is called Sheathing the Sword. Remember it.”
—Lan Mandragoran

I remember dearly Dai’Shan.

Ah yes, but thankfully we are not Rand Al’Thor

Mochann.5298:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

WvW is PvPvE. Meaning that is has both environmental as well as human elements that a player has to face. Technically this does make it different than plain pve or plain pvp, as it is a combination of the two.

I do agree in separating them, though I don’t necessarily agree that they would require a separation of skills. At least not as distinctly as straight pvp sometimes does, since the pve element does still exist.

I also agree that the normal wvw dailies should be separated out from the standard ‘dailies’ list. Considering they broke the pvp dailies into their own catagory, it would be logical to follow the same pattern with wvw. They are each their own mode, with their own followings.

Edit: Besides, a couple of extra laurels would be a nice thing….

You’d still be limited to one laurel a day, just like how it is today with PVP and PVE dailies. You can’t do your PVP dailies for 1 laurel, then do your PVE for another.

Sorry, I should have phrased it differently I guess. Options for obtaining laurels.. If you opt to do the pvp dailies, you only have 4 to do. Yes, regular dailies only require 5, but I don’t think there are 5 wvw specific generally. I don’t tend to pay attention to those, but it looks like there are only 3 wvw specific for today… If, for example, a wvwer didn’t have to leave wvw to complete their dailies, wouldn’t that make some of them happier? (I’m aware that in some cased, you can complete the normal daily without leaving, but not in all cases from my understanding) Or if the dailies were specifically wvw tailored and didn’t have to include things like gathering, or crafting?

Colin has stated a skin locker is something they would like to do. That it’s on their to do list (Pax last year)

It was brought up in the recent CDIs and acknowledged by Chris, and listed as an item in his discussion proposal to the devs.

I’d say they have heard on this topic. We just haven’t heard anything back beyond ‘yes we want to do this.’ Doesn’t mean they aren’t working on something though. You know how they are, they don’t say anything until is relatively close to a stage where they can show us something.

The LFG tool is a good example. We called for one repeatedly, they confirmed that they’d heard us, but we didn’t get any type of confirmation until it was pretty much ready to be beta tested.

Yes, I agree this would be a wonderful QoL improvement. One that I really would have liked to have seen a while before now, but they had other priorities. Now, whether you agree or disagree with their priorities are neither here or there for this discussion, we simply have to accept that they have things that they decided came first. That said, considering some of the changes that are coming to pvp, I don’t think we’ll see a skin locker until after the merger happens.

Yeah I know, being patient sucks, but that’s about all we can really do at this point.

WvW is PvPvE. Meaning that is has both environmental as well as human elements that a player has to face. Technically this does make it different than plain pve or plain pvp, as it is a combination of the two.

I do agree in separating them, though I don’t necessarily agree that they would require a separation of skills. At least not as distinctly as straight pvp sometimes does, since the pve element does still exist.

I also agree that the normal wvw dailies should be separated out from the standard ‘dailies’ list. Considering they broke the pvp dailies into their own catagory, it would be logical to follow the same pattern with wvw. They are each their own mode, with their own followings.

Edit: Besides, a couple of extra laurels would be a nice thing….

Inimicus.7162:

Logic check: “they did what we wanted” when “we” is people who didn’t lose money over the victory of the soiled diaper brigade… so they made 2 very big mistakes right off the start and only made it worse with such a low quality, and VERY poorly chosen replacement

There were plenty of people that purchased it that agreed that it should not have been a t3 reskin.

There are plenty of people that do like the reskin. More who have since purchased it because they like the reskin better….

Conversely there are those that liked neither. Those that didn’t really mind the t3 reskin. Those that didn’t bother buying either.

They cannot please everyone. You don’t like the reskin. Fine, that’s your right.

And no, when asked for cash they blew smoke in my face by basically ignoring the request

Did you provide the card number (last 4 digits) you purchased it with? Did you respond and ask why? They may not be blowing you off, although I’m sure it feels like it. They have a lot of requests to process I;m sure.

Then again, if you’re an kitten about it, yeah I can see getting blown off. No customer service person enjoys getting kittened at when it’s not their fault. Too many people forget that the customer service rep is not the company. They are just the sorry sap that has to put up with our ire.

That might be a good possibility Gote. It might also be part of the incentive to level the jewelcrafting for ascended, since you can get most everything else with laurels….

Ashen.2907:

Yes, but that burden should be shouldered by the merchant in a situation where the merchant caused, even if inadvertently, the problem.

I would argue that the merchant only did what it’s customer’s wanted in the first place. The removal of the flamekissed armor. They did not cause the issue, we did. They were simply trying to keep us happy. This is a prime example of being kitten ed if they do, kitten ed if they don’t.

If a merchant sells a product, gems in this case, advertised as having a specific function (being tradable for the first iteration of the armor skin), and then changes the product so that it can no longer fulfill that function, they should refund the money spent on that product.

ANet sold gems while advertising that they could be used to acquire the previous iteration of the armor skin. Those gems, purchased for that advertised purpose, cannot serve the purpose for which they were sold and bought. They should be returnable for a cash refund. Any additional resource burden (time or money) should be born by the merchant that made the mistake. At no point should the customer be made to suffer (defined here as having spent the money without receiving the desired end product) because the merchant made a mistake.

They stated that they would give refunds, they did not state what type. Perhaps we are at fault for not clarifying. However, their gem refund policy clearly states that they do refund the cash spent in instances where they can. If you have spent the gems, you may not be eligible for a refund. Refund not ‘cash refund’. Refund, period. The fact they did state that they would do a refund for anyone that didn’t like the new skin, when the gems have clearly been spent says a lot in regards to how their attempt to satisfy their unhappy customers. In some instances merchants simply can’t refund the cash spent for any number of reasons. It happens. They could be like some other companies out there that tell their customers ‘tough luck, deal with it.’ How some of them stay in business, I have no clue, but they do…

I completely understand, and agree with, the decision to withdraw the original iteration of the armor skin. I actually like the new version better, but ANet should be fully refunding money spent on gems to purchase the original version for those who dislike the new.

Do we know for certain that they are not refunding cash in any/all instances? Are they only refunding gems?

Seera.5916:

The Gift of Battle is the “I’ve done WvW” requirement of making a legendary. Just like the Gift of Knowledge for the Meteorologicus is the “I’ve done dungeons” requirement of it.

So why can’t the gift of battle also be gotten for spvp? Is it dependent on having to battle people rather than npcs specifically? Could not killing zaihtan and achieving dungeon master not also be considered a ‘battle’ achievement?

No, I do not like bullying. But I also know that no matter how many rules ANet puts in place or how harsh they get on bullies, that there will always be someone out there that does not play by the rules. So one must learn how to handle it. Report those that bully you and those that you see bullying others. And not let it effect what or how we play. That’s all we can do. Anything else lets the bullies win.

Yes, always report, but one should stand up and say something too. In a lot of instances the bully will back down when confronted by those that aren’t going to shrink away from him. Simply reporting and staying silent is letting the bully win as well, because who knows how long it will be before anything is done, if anything is done. There are far too many who won’t even bother reporting, because oh well, it’s not happening to them. If more in the community stood and said they wouldn’t tolerate it, it would become less prevalent, but someone has to take that first step and have a voice.

But to remove WvW requirement from the legendary just because there are bullies in WvW is just silly. -snip-

There are more reasons than just bullies. Many of which have been touched on. kittens are just my biggest reason for not entertaining participating in WvW more often. Followed by the zerg lag.

Yes, there are some options. You can buy the rank instead of running it. You can zerg or you can roam. However why could there not also be a non-wvw required equivalent to the gift of battle? There really isn’t one, other than the ‘we want you to do this play mode.’ Fine, I’ll try the mode, but let me try it of my choice not because its a roadblock to my game play goal. I feel like I’m being prodded around like a sheep here. Well, you can’t do ‘x’ until you do ‘y’….well now you have to do ‘z’. When did I sign back up for WoW? (Ok, a little extreme, but that’s the kind of jacked around feeling I have)

WvW is weird. In some cases it’s considered PvP (a lot of boosters don’t work in WvW because of it’s PvP nature). In others it’s considered PvE (legendary creation, map completion, skins of armor and weapons, LS).

It’s pvpve – Player Vs. Player Vs. Environment, which was Aoin’s big ‘thing’ when it came out.

Should new legendary weapons use the same recipe? No. Give them a different recipe. Maybe make 2 new sets of legendary weapons. One that’s all WvW earned and one that’s all PvE earned. The current set can be to show people: I do it all! The other sets can be a: Hey, look, I’m really good at [WvW/PvE]!

I’d actually made pretty much the same suggestion. Split the types. Then wvwers can get wvw legendaries, pvpers can get pvp legendaries, and pvers have pve legendaries. Let the cross mode players combine theirs to make something niftier looking.

Then, there will be options. More options. Without a PR disaster that changing the current legendaries will bring and will let them keep the meaning of the current legendary weapon set intact: that someone has done a little bit of everything.

It seems everything they do is a PR disaster these days. Everyone is always in an uproar.

The splitting could still be done for existing legendaries, they would all just share the same skin for now. Just give people the option of which ‘mode’ they want it to represent. Doesn’t mean it won’t function in the others, it’d still work the same. These ones just wouldn’t have any special ‘combining’ affect like newer ones could.

Luca.9638:

I am really disappointed……I requested a refund but have not yet received anything……

It might take a little bit of time. I’m sure they are inundated with requests like yours. All of which will require verification.

DPrime.3954:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DPrime.3954:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DPrime.3954:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DPrime.3954:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

This isn’t any different than returning something to WalMart or Toys R Us though. You return an item, they give you a gift card. (Yes, there’s a bit more to it, but you get the general point here. Let’s not nit pick)

You spent money on gems. You spent those gems on an armor set. They are refunding you the gems you purchased. You can use those gems at any time on any other item. Whether you do or not…. is no different than whether or not you use that gift card. Although, unlike that gift card, your gems will never expire.

I also don’t have to worry about Wal-Mart or Toys’R’Us coming into my house to steal what I purchased and then leaving something else in return. When I buy something from Wal-Mart, I get what I purchase. If Wal-Mart makes a mistake they usually honor their mistake by correcting the issue to keep the customer happy.

Gift cards also never expire in Canada.

Didn’t know gift cards didn’t expire in Canada. That’s handy to know.

Anet did not steal anything. We were told, in a dev post on here that the t3 skin would be replaced when they had the new one done.

It should not have been a surprise. It was known that it was going to happen. They have opted to refund the gems that were used to purchase the armor for those that wanted the refund. WTF else can they do?

Some people like the new reskin. Others do not. There is nothing they can do to make every single person happy.

Fractured is the release launched on November 26, 2013.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Flamekissed-Armor-Skin was posted November 27, 2013.
That’s a 24 hour window of uninformed people. It’s not about making people happy, it’s about integrity and principal. What are they going to change next due to a select group’s outcry?

points at ascended

points at Karma nerf

Those are the biggest 2… shall we keep going?

You’re missing the point. Those are game mechanics, not purchased items.

You didn’t specify ‘only purchased’ items. And as it’s been stated, anyone that requests a refund is getting one.

“But its gems, not cash!” You realize it would probably cost them more in transaction fees to try to refund 10$ to everyone that demanded cash? Additionally, they would need time to verify that the person actually did purchase the gems with cash, and not gold?

Sounds like a company problem. I’m sure Digital River and PayPal would not like to be associated with companies that commit fraud. Any company I’ve dealt with that made a mistake like this honors it’s mistake and corrects it in the favor of the customer. Rogers messed up my contract promised me free upgrades, then told me I was going to have to pay for them. I informed them it was their clerical error and they sent me my new phones. This is Anet’s problem, not mine. I shouldn’t have to lose out because someone on the company’s end messed up.

You may want to be careful throwing around the term fraud. No fraud has been committed here. They acknowledged a mistake. They clearly stated how they were going to go about rectifying said mistake, and clearly stated that a refund would be given to those that ask (though they didn’t specify the type of refund).

According to their refund policy:
Gem Refunds
If you purchased Guild Wars 2 Gems from the Gem Store and would like a refund, please submit a request to our Support team and provide the following information:
The amount of gems purchased.
Your billing zip code or postal code.
If the payment was attempted by credit/debit card, please provide ONLY the last 4 digits of the credit/debit card used.
If the payment was attempted using PayPal®, the invoice ID or transaction ID from your PayPal® payment history for the transaction.
Note: If you have used the purchased gems, you may not be eligible for a refund.

Have you asked if you could get your 10$ back? They may be able to, they may not. Having used the gems, you may only qualify for a gem refund, not a cash refund. Which, personally, I feel should be perfectly sufficient.

You, on the other hand, are committing libel claiming an act of fraud has occurred, when it has not. They have honored everything they said they would do.

Flytrap.8075:

WvW players have been getting shafted for a long time now when compared to rewards earned in PvE and the argument has always been that if you really want that dungeon armor or that legendary weapon, then you need to do what it takes to earn it. Any mention of not enjoying PvE content has been met with “WELL NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO DO IT!!!11!!!!1!” since the game came out.

And now that ONE aspect of this game requires you to participate in WvW, you guys are up in arms. This is simply hilarious, and the best part is that ANet will probably meet your demands and remove the requirement because they don’t want to upset their PvE heroes who have been getting the majority of the new content catered to them.

It’s true, no one is forcing anyone to do anything. But, I also don’t see any reason why wvw doesn’t (or shouldn’t) have it’s own unique skins that are only obtainable through doing wvw. I mean, you do have the one… but you could use a few (ok several) more. The same for spvp. Equal footing. Then if you want a dungeon skin, you have to do the dungeon. If pver like me wants the wvw skin, I have to wvw.

It would take some effort, but it could be done

DPrime.3954:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DPrime.3954:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DPrime.3954:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

This isn’t any different than returning something to WalMart or Toys R Us though. You return an item, they give you a gift card. (Yes, there’s a bit more to it, but you get the general point here. Let’s not nit pick)

You spent money on gems. You spent those gems on an armor set. They are refunding you the gems you purchased. You can use those gems at any time on any other item. Whether you do or not…. is no different than whether or not you use that gift card. Although, unlike that gift card, your gems will never expire.

I also don’t have to worry about Wal-Mart or Toys’R’Us coming into my house to steal what I purchased and then leaving something else in return. When I buy something from Wal-Mart, I get what I purchase. If Wal-Mart makes a mistake they usually honor their mistake by correcting the issue to keep the customer happy.

Gift cards also never expire in Canada.

Didn’t know gift cards didn’t expire in Canada. That’s handy to know.

Anet did not steal anything. We were told, in a dev post on here that the t3 skin would be replaced when they had the new one done.

It should not have been a surprise. It was known that it was going to happen. They have opted to refund the gems that were used to purchase the armor for those that wanted the refund. WTF else can they do?

Some people like the new reskin. Others do not. There is nothing they can do to make every single person happy.

Fractured is the release launched on November 26, 2013.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Flamekissed-Armor-Skin was posted November 27, 2013.
That’s a 24 hour window of uninformed people. It’s not about making people happy, it’s about integrity and principal. What are they going to change next due to a select group’s outcry?

points at ascended

points at Karma nerf

Those are the biggest 2… shall we keep going?

You’re missing the point. Those are game mechanics, not purchased items.

You didn’t specify ‘only purchased’ items. And as it’s been stated, anyone that requests a refund is getting one.

“But its gems, not cash!” You realize it would probably cost them more in transaction fees to try to refund 10$ to everyone that demanded cash? Additionally, they would need time to verify that the person actually did purchase the gems with cash, and not gold?

DPrime.3954:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DPrime.3954:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

This isn’t any different than returning something to WalMart or Toys R Us though. You return an item, they give you a gift card. (Yes, there’s a bit more to it, but you get the general point here. Let’s not nit pick)

You spent money on gems. You spent those gems on an armor set. They are refunding you the gems you purchased. You can use those gems at any time on any other item. Whether you do or not…. is no different than whether or not you use that gift card. Although, unlike that gift card, your gems will never expire.

I also don’t have to worry about Wal-Mart or Toys’R’Us coming into my house to steal what I purchased and then leaving something else in return. When I buy something from Wal-Mart, I get what I purchase. If Wal-Mart makes a mistake they usually honor their mistake by correcting the issue to keep the customer happy.

Gift cards also never expire in Canada.

Didn’t know gift cards didn’t expire in Canada. That’s handy to know.

Anet did not steal anything. We were told, in a dev post on here that the t3 skin would be replaced when they had the new one done.

It should not have been a surprise. It was known that it was going to happen. They have opted to refund the gems that were used to purchase the armor for those that wanted the refund. WTF else can they do?

Some people like the new reskin. Others do not. There is nothing they can do to make every single person happy.

Fractured is the release launched on November 26, 2013.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Flamekissed-Armor-Skin was posted November 27, 2013.
That’s a 24 hour window of uninformed people. It’s not about making people happy, it’s about integrity and principal. What are they going to change next due to a select group’s outcry?

points at ascended

points at Karma nerf

Those are the biggest 2… shall we keep going?

Inimicus.7162:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DPrime.3954:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DPrime.3954:

This is completely a bait and switch scheme. We were baited with the human tier 3 armor and they switched to this new armor. This isn’t what people wanted to buy, it was forced upon us. People spent REAL money to buy this armor and now we get in-store credit refund? That’s fraud. Anet should be forced to return the T3 sets to those who bought them.

Anet is refunding those that have requested a refund. No harm done. Just request a refund. Sheesh.

They are giving an in-store credit. They are not sending me a $10USD cheque in the mail. There is also the matter of principal that a crime which is both a civil wrong and a criminal wrong.

This isn’t any different than returning something to WalMart or Toys R Us though. You return an item, they give you a gift card. (Yes, there’s a bit more to it, but you get the general point here. Let’s not nit pick)

You spent money on gems. You spent those gems on an armor set. They are refunding you the gems you purchased. You can use those gems at any time on any other item. Whether you do or not…. is no different than whether or not you use that gift card. Although, unlike that gift card, your gems will never expire.

Also, they only did exactly what community demanded. They removed the original flamekissed and gave you something different. They listened to the outraged cry of their playerbase and did what we told them to do – remove the t3 reskin, and make something else. There was no promise that you would like that something else. They said they thought you would, but they didn’t promise you would. Only a fool would make such a promise, since it is impossible to please everyone.

“the community” who didnt send them real money i should point out… and the official post https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Flamekissed-Armor-Skin/first#post3275229 soothed it at that moment because there was no reason to believe that they were going to totally trash what I had bought… I honestly thought they spent 2 months making something true to what she specifically said was the goal (not that the other 2 armors met that in any way shape or form, and while also wrong, I didn’t drop real money on those)

“Once this new artwork is completed, we will then update the Flamekissed Armor Skin so that all existing sets that players have purchased get the new art.”

It is visually distinct from the t3. Whether or not you or I find it attractive is subjective, obviously they thought it was. Previous purchasers kept the skin for use until the new artwork was ready, and then it was updated to the new artwork. Anyone asking for a refund has been getting it.

DPrime.3954:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DPrime.3954:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DPrime.3954:

This is completely a bait and switch scheme. We were baited with the human tier 3 armor and they switched to this new armor. This isn’t what people wanted to buy, it was forced upon us. People spent REAL money to buy this armor and now we get in-store credit refund? That’s fraud. Anet should be forced to return the T3 sets to those who bought them.

Anet is refunding those that have requested a refund. No harm done. Just request a refund. Sheesh.

They are giving an in-store credit. They are not sending me a $10USD cheque in the mail. There is also the matter of principal that a crime which is both a civil wrong and a criminal wrong.

This isn’t any different than returning something to WalMart or Toys R Us though. You return an item, they give you a gift card. (Yes, there’s a bit more to it, but you get the general point here. Let’s not nit pick)

You spent money on gems. You spent those gems on an armor set. They are refunding you the gems you purchased. You can use those gems at any time on any other item. Whether you do or not…. is no different than whether or not you use that gift card. Although, unlike that gift card, your gems will never expire.

I also don’t have to worry about Wal-Mart or Toys’R’Us coming into my house to steal what I purchased and then leaving something else in return. When I buy something from Wal-Mart, I get what I purchase. If Wal-Mart makes a mistake they usually honor their mistake by correcting the issue to keep the customer happy.

Gift cards also never expire in Canada.

Didn’t know gift cards didn’t expire in Canada. That’s handy to know.

Anet did not steal anything. We were told, in a dev post on here that the t3 skin would be replaced when they had the new one done.

It should not have been a surprise. It was known that it was going to happen. They have opted to refund the gems that were used to purchase the armor for those that wanted the refund. WTF else can they do?

Some people like the new reskin. Others do not. There is nothing they can do to make every single person happy.

Wanze.8410:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Wanze.8410:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Wanze.8410:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I don’t have an issue with soul bound gear. That’s pretty standard across these types of games. I would like to see a better implementation of easily swapping out the stats on a set of armor. This way we don’t necessarily have to invest an arm, a leg, and our first born child into obtaining more than one set. Mainly thinking ascended here, since my husband when thru and broke everything down and tallied it all up across our characters.

When i hit lvl 80 about a month after release, it took me at least another month, if not longer, to gather enough gold/karma/etc. to get my first full exotic set and the next ones also needed their time. I didnt hear anybody complaining back then that its too hard to gear up different alts in multiple exotic builds.

Just because exotic sets are easy to come by now doesnt mean the same should apply for ascended gear.

Exotics are much easier to get, although sometimes the t6 materials can be a wicked kitten if you don’t have the gold to just buy them. But there is a huge discrepancy between the availability of exotics vs the availability of ascended. You built karma to obtain your exotics. At the present time, ascended can only be crafted, and the leveling of that crafting can be extremely expensive. Drastically more so than a single set, or even several sets of exotics.

I was comparing to exotic gear when the game launched and the months after, when they were best in slot. At that time, it nearly took as much effort to get a full set as it is now with ascended. And Anet stated that the player base got exotics way faster than they anticipated and intended. So it is working as intended that ascended builds take as much time as they do right now.

chuckle

No, it never took as much effort to get exotics as it does to get ascended. However, that’s also due to having so many avenues of acquisition for exotics. Karma, Dungeons, Crafting, straight off the TP…

It’s not quite that simple for ascended. Yes, it’s supposed to take longer, I get that. But it borders on going a bit overboard.

Did you actually play the game in 2012? Exotic gear actually cost more in the first 3 months to craft or buy on the tp than now. And there wasnt that much gold floating around in the first place, so coughing up 4g for an exotic zerker greatsword was alot of money, considering that you got an average of 1 gold for 100 gems in 2012, now you get 6g. It also wasnt easy to farm gold those days as it is now and getting 42k for a single piece of gear took quite a while. Dungeon runs also looked quite a bit different then and took some time as most people were still in masterwork or rare gear and didnt have a clue what they were doing.

Yes, I have played since launch. I am aware that the cost of things has shifted over time; although even in the first several months people were complaining (and loudly) about exotics being too easy. About karma being too abundant and worthless… And thus we were given ascended (which is a kitten) and a karma nerf. How lovely.

The cost of a dungeon set has not changed the amount of required tokens, and only takes 12 days if you only run 2 different paths a day now. Originally there was no cap to the tokens like there is now. You could just swap to an alt and keep collecting. chuckle I remember the uproar when they time gated that.

Seera.5916:

WvW is out of my comfort zone.

-snip-

So as long as the bullying isn’t happening to you then it’s ok. You’re perfectly fine sitting back and letting them bully others. You’ll be a silent shadow, they won’t know you’re there, but you will also have no voice to help fix the wrongs.

I’m not a social butterfly either. I don’t make friends easily, but I don’t sit back and let others shoot their mouth off either. I tend to try to mediate, because we really don’t need those attitudes in the game, but unless others are willing to also stand up and be heard, nothing will change.

And by your argument, they should remove any and all requirements to get the legendary and just hand them out.

-snip-

Actually that’s not what I’m saying at all, and you’re blowing things out of proportion. Yes, there are kittenes in every mode, I’ve never argued that. Yes, there are people who will never do dungeons because of the people that run them. Yes, there are people that never turn on map chat because of how prevalent those types of people are. How is that ok with you? Cause it sure as hell isn’t with me. How is it ‘ok’ that people feel locked out of certain types of content or certain achievements because they can’t seem to find ‘good people’ to play it with?

But again, this rolls back around to ‘give us multiple means of acquisition.’ I’m not saying make it easier. I’m not saying just hand it to us. Not by any means, but why make a pve player do wvw if that’s not what they want to do? Why make a pvp player trek through pve is that’s not what they want to do? There is no reason that should cut them off from a goal, give them an alternate way to achieve it. Is that really so wrong?

This is on par with those that want more ways to acquire precursors. They should’t have to rely on rng or have to buy it off the TP. They want a scavenger hunt or crafting. Having alternate ways to obtain some of the gifts is no different.

This is a requirement for a legendary. A weapon that will always be the best in the game. It should have some pretty steep requirements in order to achieve a weapon like that. And it can have its stats swapped out of combat. It’s not something that you will have to have multiple of if you do things that require different builds.

I’m not disagreeing that it should have steep requirements. That it should require effort to obtain. (Although really, that’s all pretty much negated by the simple fact that you buy the kitten thing) I’m simply making a suggestion for additional options. Having more options never killed anyone. Although, I suppose it could if you got too caught up trying to decide and such, but I digress.

At least they aren’t removing your ability to get BOH from the achievement chests. Before they added that, you HAD to play and be successful at WvW to get your legendary.

They added BOH to AP chests to placate the servers who rarely win things, but they soon realized that this was not the ideal situation for legendary creation. Because it removed the requirement to play WvW (and you don’t have to actually play WvW to map it out so don’t use that argument, I just map completed WvW last night and none of my things came from me actually playing WvW how it was meant to be played. I literally just ran to what my server had.).

I’m aware you don’t need to ‘play’ wvw to get the mapping. While I don’t agree with including pvp requirements in a pve achievement, this is no different than having to map JQ and FA in GW1 for Canthan Cartographer. Some of us had hoped that they had learned their lesson when they finally removed the pvp requirement for fow and uw in GW1 (favor of the gods). IE pvp should not affect pve. Obviously not.

-snip-

Which would you prefer?

-snip-

I prefer options, like I said. There really isn’t any reason why the gift of battle should be locked to wvw. Just like there is no reason the various crafted gifts should be locked to the account that made them.

Edit: snips are mainly for length requirement…

Wanze.8410:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Wanze.8410:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I don’t have an issue with soul bound gear. That’s pretty standard across these types of games. I would like to see a better implementation of easily swapping out the stats on a set of armor. This way we don’t necessarily have to invest an arm, a leg, and our first born child into obtaining more than one set. Mainly thinking ascended here, since my husband when thru and broke everything down and tallied it all up across our characters.

When i hit lvl 80 about a month after release, it took me at least another month, if not longer, to gather enough gold/karma/etc. to get my first full exotic set and the next ones also needed their time. I didnt hear anybody complaining back then that its too hard to gear up different alts in multiple exotic builds.

Just because exotic sets are easy to come by now doesnt mean the same should apply for ascended gear.

Exotics are much easier to get, although sometimes the t6 materials can be a wicked kitten if you don’t have the gold to just buy them. But there is a huge discrepancy between the availability of exotics vs the availability of ascended. You built karma to obtain your exotics. At the present time, ascended can only be crafted, and the leveling of that crafting can be extremely expensive. Drastically more so than a single set, or even several sets of exotics.

I was comparing to exotic gear when the game launched and the months after, when they were best in slot. At that time, it nearly took as much effort to get a full set as it is now with ascended. And Anet stated that the player base got exotics way faster than they anticipated and intended. So it is working as intended that ascended builds take as much time as they do right now.

chuckle

No, it never took as much effort to get exotics as it does to get ascended. However, that’s also due to having so many avenues of acquisition for exotics. Karma, Dungeons, Crafting, straight off the TP…

It’s not quite that simple for ascended. Yes, it’s supposed to take longer, I get that. But it borders on going a bit overboard.

DPrime.3954:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

DPrime.3954:

This is completely a bait and switch scheme. We were baited with the human tier 3 armor and they switched to this new armor. This isn’t what people wanted to buy, it was forced upon us. People spent REAL money to buy this armor and now we get in-store credit refund? That’s fraud. Anet should be forced to return the T3 sets to those who bought them.

Anet is refunding those that have requested a refund. No harm done. Just request a refund. Sheesh.

They are giving an in-store credit. They are not sending me a $10USD cheque in the mail. There is also the matter of principal that a crime which is both a civil wrong and a criminal wrong.

This isn’t any different than returning something to WalMart or Toys R Us though. You return an item, they give you a gift card. (Yes, there’s a bit more to it, but you get the general point here. Let’s not nit pick)

You spent money on gems. You spent those gems on an armor set. They are refunding you the gems you purchased. You can use those gems at any time on any other item. Whether you do or not…. is no different than whether or not you use that gift card. Although, unlike that gift card, your gems will never expire.

Also, they only did exactly what community demanded. They removed the original flamekissed and gave you something different. They listened to the outraged cry of their playerbase and did what we told them to do – remove the t3 reskin, and make something else. There was no promise that you would like that something else. They said they thought you would, but they didn’t promise you would. Only a fool would make such a promise, since it is impossible to please everyone.

A legendary is a legendary. They have stated that legendaries will always be BiS. Will always match whatever the highest tier is.

a “level 80 legendary” technically is no longer truly a ‘legendary’ if it does not meet the BiS requirement. To try such loophool would be catastrophically idiotic. They have made some questionable decisions, but they aren’t that stupid.

Gizmo.9178:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Gizmo.9178:

That shield is nice. I flippin hate the whole ticket scrap system though. I only have had gotten about 3 scraps in over a year of playing and opening chests :/

Or you could buy it off the TP for 70 gold

sad sigh

Well unless you are offering to loan me that 70 gold, that is not going to happen

lol still trying to figure out where I’m going to scrounge up the multitudes of gold I need XD

DPrime.3954:

Inimicus.7162:

in a bait and switch scheme normally the replacement would already be in line to go out on purchase…but this has turned into said scheme because they made the blatant mistake of putting out the first set in the first place, than made it a borderline legal issue by removing it on the complaints of people who didn’t spend real money on it… and now have made it that much worse because they waited 2 entire months to do…this.. Yea, the people who spent real money in the end are not getting what was offered and paid for, and currently the best recourse they have is being offered the ability to get back gems from a store which we now know can have items sold through it changed without real warning, and without real consent. I say put original flamekissed back, give it back to everyone who had it, keep this new burlesque outfit they have in the gem store and have the original sell at a permanent merchant to all races once more for the normal price of t3 culture armor…and go ahead and put particles on other t3’s and sell em for 119g to all other races interested too.

This is completely a bait and switch scheme. We were baited with the human tier 3 armor and they switched to this new armor. This isn’t what people wanted to buy, it was forced upon us. People spent REAL money to buy this armor and now we get in-store credit refund? That’s fraud. Anet should be forced to return the T3 sets to those who bought them.

Anet is refunding those that have requested a refund. No harm done. Just request a refund. Sheesh.

Seera.5916:

@Lanfeer: I am sorry that your computer can’t handle WvW zergs. However, you do not have to zerg to gain WXP or badges of honor. I get some WxP for taking control points or capping a bloodlust spot. Ask in map chat if a havoc squad has formed on the map and if they need/want another player on the squad. Havoc squads are groups of five people that run around and take smaller points that are too easy for zergs (supply posts come to mind) so that the zergs can focus on the things that they can take care of. If there isn’t a havoc squad and there are a few supply camps in enemy hands ask if there are four who would want to form a havoc squad and go out and take some supply camps and maybe a tower if you find one unmanned.

And before it was literally buy your legendary or play WvW to get to 500 badges of honor. And for you, getting to Rank 30 might be easier on your computer than getting to 500 badges of honor. Plus, from what I’ve been reading, looks like you can buy ranks with laurels, negating your complaint of even having to play WvW.

I have tried solo roaming or going in small groups. On several occasions. I’m not very good at it, but I do enjoy it… until the kittenes open their mouths. I honestly don’t think anyone should have to be subject to that abuse, thus my stance on the topic.

Actually, you’ll find that I don’t think anyone should be subjected to that type of abuse in any of the modes, but if you’re trying to play in a mode outside your comfort zone it does seem to be just that much worse. “pve noob” “pve scrub” “get out of our mode” “waste of space” The ignore list, sadly, has a limited number of people is can hold.

Perhaps purchasing rank is the only option for people of the same view as myself, but that doesn’t really solve the issue presented either.

Wanze.8410:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

I don’t have an issue with soul bound gear. That’s pretty standard across these types of games. I would like to see a better implementation of easily swapping out the stats on a set of armor. This way we don’t necessarily have to invest an arm, a leg, and our first born child into obtaining more than one set. Mainly thinking ascended here, since my husband when thru and broke everything down and tallied it all up across our characters.

When i hit lvl 80 about a month after release, it took me at least another month, if not longer, to gather enough gold/karma/etc. to get my first full exotic set and the next ones also needed their time. I didnt hear anybody complaining back then that its too hard to gear up different alts in multiple exotic builds.

Just because exotic sets are easy to come by now doesnt mean the same should apply for ascended gear.

Exotics are much easier to get, although sometimes the t6 materials can be a wicked kitten if you don’t have the gold to just buy them. But there is a huge discrepancy between the availability of exotics vs the availability of ascended. You built karma to obtain your exotics. At the present time, ascended can only be crafted, and the leveling of that crafting can be extremely expensive. Drastically more so than a single set, or even several sets of exotics.

That’s sort of beside the point though honestly. I was thinking more along the lines of once I achieve my character’s “look” I don’t think we should necessarily have to create a whole new armor set just to change the stats, and then have to transmute the look over. Or, obtain all the components to recreate the look so that we can have 2 sets.

Now, some people will do that. That’s their prerogative. I just don’t think you should ‘have’ to necessarily. They could do something similar to GW1 where we could just swap the insignia that sets the armor stats.

No, I don’t think this should be free either. It wasn’t in GW1, we had to buy the insignia we wanted, and if we wanted to keep the old one (to swap back and forth or whatever) then you needed a perfect salvage kit so nothing would be damaged. In a sense, we have the equivalent of the perfect salvage in the store’s ‘upgrade extractor.’ Yes, that doesn’t work on insignia, but it could with some tweaking. After which, we would simply need the means of adding a different insignia to the existing armor, insignia which could be obtained via crafting, salvaging, or buying off the TP.

Theoretically it should be a relatively minor change, which would make the gearing of alts a little more friendly at both the exotic and the ascended levels. (There has been a lot of screaming about ascended after all). This would still leave the ‘free’ out of battle stat swapping as unique to legendaries.

Vol.7601:

Skillpoints are transferrable – just stock up on scrolls of knowledge

Not precisely the same thing….

Backward Sass.6791:

These ladies could use the Lovestruck weapons.

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Omg it hurts to laugh this much…..

I don’t have an issue with soul bound gear. That’s pretty standard across these types of games. I would like to see a better implementation of easily swapping out the stats on a set of armor. This way we don’t necessarily have to invest an arm, a leg, and our first born child into obtaining more than one set. Mainly thinking ascended here, since my husband when thru and broke everything down and tallied it all up across our characters. Can you guess what I’m in no hurry to do?

I would like to see some type of pve skin locker for certain skins – purchased skins, one time obtainables, etc. Obviously there will be limitations on this, since they can’t simply give us everything we desire.

Dyes…yes, this is something I would like to see as account bound rather than character bound. It was actually something I was extremely excited about prior to launch…and then it got changed with no real notice. So sad… sniffle They gave reasons for making the change, but they are rather weak in my opinion.

Experience being convertable… You mean so you can say level a lower character with the extra experience of a higher char? I can’t say I agree with that. Now, I wouldn’t mind if you could transfer skill points from one character to another. We could do that via Stars of Tranference in GW1 (after eotn). Made it helpful in unlocking skills on lower chars. I could see doing that again here, but you would still be required to actually ‘play’ via some means in order to actually level up.

Ahhh ulterior motives. I sees now…

chuckle

Lol that’s going to depend on the person…and the character race/gender

For me, I don’t have a ‘best looking’ as yet. I don’t particularly like any set as a ‘whole.’ I’ve been doing a lot of mixing and matching, and what looks good on one, I find doesn’t necessarily look good on another.

Confusing? Yeah, I know.

Vol.7601:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Vol.7601:

If you don’t want to do what it takes to make a legendary, then you don’t deserve it. Otherwise, pay the premium or deal with it.

“You don’t deserve it”

….

“So buy it”

Yeah….. rolls eyes If you don’t ‘deserve’ it, then you shouldn’t be able to buy it either. Sort of devalues the whole ‘prestige’ idea.

Yes you can buy it but you have to pay a premium if you do not want to take the effort to do the non-tradeable portions.

There is a reason why there is so much profit in making/selling legendaries. There are people out there who are too lazy/impatient to outright make their own, so they pay a +600g premium for badges, world completion and karma.

If you don’t want to do either of those account-bound components, then be prepared to either pay 600g or deal with it.

I did not you say you can’t buy it

I said you shoudn’t be able to.

Considering how I’ve been treated as a pve player in wvw, I don’t think anyone should have to endure such verbal abuse in order to achieve the required rank for the gift of battle. No one should be subject to such depravity.

Vol.7601:

If you don’t want to do what it takes to make a legendary, then you don’t deserve it. Otherwise, pay the premium or deal with it.

“You don’t deserve it”

….

“So buy it”

Yeah….. rolls eyes If you don’t ‘deserve’ it, then you shouldn’t be able to buy it either. Sort of devalues the whole ‘prestige’ idea.

Thelgar.7214:

Let’s add an account requirement of one level 80 character of each class to that.

I want to punish people that don’t do what I like too.

And at least 1 of each race as well… can’t be racist here chuckle