Guild Wars 2

DevonCarver.5370:

Johje Holan.4607:

Darn, when I saw the little red bubble next to the thread I thought Devon had come in here and said the orbs were coming back.

I don’t understand why they’re easy to hack. But then I don’t understand how people hack anything in a game.

They were easy to hack because of the fact that if you managed to fly or teleport hack you could do that and pick them up and take them right back to your base.

I always thought the sensible answer for this was to require a certain number of players around the orb in order to take possession of it. You can do proximity counters with events like Siegerazer, so why not the orbs? It’s not like fly hackers run in packs. They were always solo rogue players.

Shaojack.3871:

oxide.8324:

Avenge.1478:

BG and JQ running as giant blobs vs our 3x 20 man groups on JQ BL -> Still out ticking them :|!

They are also no doubt have less players than SoR on the other maps lol

Yeah not SoR’s fault.
You guys quad ques last match up, what changed?

I don’t know where you get your info but I didn’t wait in a queue once last week except for reset night.

If you have auto targeting enabled you can get siege targeted that you can’t even see. Add Dragons Tooth which still doesn’t require line of sight and there you go. It’s one of those game mechanics things that sucks but it is what it is. It’s just like being able to kill siege inside the Bay lords room from the outside wall. Maybe Anet will do something about it some day, but until then you just gave to deal with the fact that it’s going to happen.

Meh I don’t care really. It’s their game account and cash/gold. JQ didn’t have any queues anyways from what I saw. What I do dislike a bit however is playing for PPT when you say you’re doing it for the fights, as well as what happened at this reset when you had some TW on both SoR and JQ due to the 7 day transfer cool down. It sets up the chance for cross server info sharing which blows.

Great times on SorBL tonight. I hit my badge goal for the week in just 5 hours so the rest of the week is a bonus! I’ll take nights like tonight over any day last week. Keep bringing the fun and thanks all!

Well it seems others are having similar experiences to mine, which I expected to be the case, but it’s still a bit disappointing. My goal in bringing this up was not to discount the other rewards in the chests, but to highlight the reality that Colin’s comment about Ectos, used specifically to discount the fact that Rings would not be available via a discount+Badges, was either stated poorly or flat out incorrect or misinformed.

I guess it’s a reminder that as a general rule, it’s better to under promise and over deliver rather than the other way around.

I’m not condoning the behavior, but I’d bet it was a side effect of the new matchmaking system. On reset day of a boring blow out mismatch, player frustrations can lead to this sort of stuff.

Burl.9567:

Liquid.9672:

Burl.9567:

pot.6805:

covenn.7165:

Liquid.9672:

Anyways, I’m not trying to argue over semantics here, but I wanted to point out that I don’t believe for one minute that SoR’s surge in score performance was all due to one factor. There was definitely a morale/motivation/fairweather effect, like there is for all servers.

Sure, that happens to some extent no matter what server you are on and it would be foolish to think otherwise. I was just pointing out the elephant in the room to you. When NA can spend 2-3-4-5 hours racking up PPT instead of trying to simply get back to even footing (which on some nights took the entire night if it happened at all), everything else you mentioned follows…..

Not sure where the disconnect with that was to be honest.

We had one change to our server that occurred that made the difference between BG beating us by 60k and us beating BG by 60k ….and it wasn’t fair weather players. Those trickled in after the fact.

You just admitted IRON carried SoR to number 1. They were the “one change”.

A 30 man guild resulted in a 120k point swing in a NA T1 match. I’m impressed.

Isn’t that what covenn essentially said?

With IRON, “NA can spend 2-3-4-5 hours racking up PPT”. The result was 60k wins.

Without IRON, “NA is instead trying to simply get back to even footing”. The result was 60k losses.

We all know what he was trying to say. You are just attempting to troll.

IRON is to SoR as Merc is to BG.

Sigh. I was not trying to troll. Man these forums are frustrating sometimes.

Burl.9567:

pot.6805:

covenn.7165:

Liquid.9672:

Anyways, I’m not trying to argue over semantics here, but I wanted to point out that I don’t believe for one minute that SoR’s surge in score performance was all due to one factor. There was definitely a morale/motivation/fairweather effect, like there is for all servers.

Sure, that happens to some extent no matter what server you are on and it would be foolish to think otherwise. I was just pointing out the elephant in the room to you. When NA can spend 2-3-4-5 hours racking up PPT instead of trying to simply get back to even footing (which on some nights took the entire night if it happened at all), everything else you mentioned follows…..

Not sure where the disconnect with that was to be honest.

We had one change to our server that occurred that made the difference between BG beating us by 60k and us beating BG by 60k ….and it wasn’t fair weather players. Those trickled in after the fact.

You just admitted IRON carried SoR to number 1. They were the “one change”.

A 30 man guild resulted in a 120k point swing in a NA T1 match. I’m impressed.

Isn’t that what covenn essentially said?

With IRON, “NA can spend 2-3-4-5 hours racking up PPT”. The result was 60k wins.

Without IRON, “NA is instead trying to simply get back to even footing”. The result was 60k losses.

JaredKincade.9761:

eithinan.9841:

I hope this newly revitalized BG gets matched up with SOR next week to see what type of coverage the fairweathers can bring you guys.

I hope we get matched up against SOR WITHOUT JQ. Its clear now that JQ without SOR isn’t close to BG score wise (most of the rating we have gained is from them, NOT from DB) because last week the scores were almost dead even, and now we are decimating them.

I think there will be a similar effect if we face SOR without JQ.

It’s hard for me to know to make of this to be honest, other than the possibility that SoR tends to focus BG more than JQ. That can’t be the whole story though. Still, if it’s not JQ, then who? I’m not so sure the end result would change with a different 3rd server. I would be pretty interested in seeing how SoR v BG v TC would play out though.

Server “pride” is still a large motivator for me personally, but with the new RNG based matchups, server ranking as measured by Glicko ranking means much less to me now, if not borderline meaningless. The real measurement of “rank” now is who your server beats heads up. I think many got overly caught up in the Millenium site and medal count, myself included.

In the end though, my primary motivator is still the same. It’s those nights when your favorite commander is running your squad, moving around the map as a tight unit, and engaging groups of enemy players on the field and at keeps and towers. It’s the thrill of that, and the uncertainty of the outcome of each encounter, that keeps me playing, and why I still care.

I have your build bookmarked from the last time you posted it. Looks like it hasn’t changed. Depending on how the June class balance patch turns out, I’ll probably be moving to a Power based build similar to yours. Thanks for offering your insight and sharing your knowledge of the class Ascii.

covenn.7165:

Except that didn’t happen. The same people playing then are the same people playing now.

The straight truth is this:

The difference is we aren’t fighting against fully painted BLs full of T3 structures now due to IRONs work. Back then we spent most of our NA playtime just getting back on equal footing….. anyone who has played this game for a while should understand the impact of that.

I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with you here covenn, to an extent. From my observations, it was a combination of both. The presence of IRON certainly had a positive effect in PPT by slicing off a chunk of the hill your EST NA needed to climb each night, but I also observed a noticeable increase in SoR players on the maps and for longer periods of time. Prior to IRON, you would notice when SoR NA went to bed. After IRON, that became much less noticeable if not completely absent. Seriously, it was almost night and day. I play late PST, so I would often observe this transition the past many months.

Anyways, I’m not trying to argue over semantics here, but I wanted to point out that I don’t believe for one minute that SoR’s surge in score performance was all due to one factor. There was definitely a morale/motivation/fairweather effect, like there is for all servers.

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Fuzzion.2504:

Gellor.6497:

Since the week is ending, just wanna shout out to BG and JQ. Know DB has a lot to learn but we had some fun fights. GL next week

Next matchup will likely be JQ vs TC vs BG

For real? Then who’s in the match up with SoR?

The odds still heavily favor a SoR v BG v JQ match. The match above has about a 5% chance of being drawn.

ColinJohanson.2394:

Ascended items and infusions both will cost a less than normal amount of laurels, and a badge cost as well. (Ascended accessories will remain laurels + ecto, but with new WvW rank reward chests you’re going to be getting a lot more Ecto!)

So we’re two weeks in since the patch that added rank reward chests, and I was curious about people’s experiences thus far.

Personally, I’ve opened 25 chests since the patch, and have gotten 24 greens and 1 yellow, which salvaged into 2 Ecto. Not counting the coin from chests and vendoring the greens, at a cost of 50 Ecto and at my personal Ecto rate thus far, I’ll have enough Ecto to purchase 1 Ascended Ring in 12.5 months.

Now, I’m a moderate player, logging around 15-20 hours in WvW per week in mostly large group play (zerg if you want to call it that), so I realize this plays a part, but even if I doubled my playtime I’d be looking at 6 months. Tripled? 3 months. Maybe I’ve just had a bad streak on the RNG?

For the record, I’m not bringing this up to whine or look a gift horse in the mouth. I think it was great on Anet’s part to add them. I also realize that there are many other ways to acquire Ecto, ways that I will most definitely use. But I can’t help but refer to the above post from Colin and wonder what the heck he was talking about, because so far, my experience has been a far off shot from “a lot more Ecto”.

meep.2601:

do necro marks trigger on downed players yet? i remember they didn’t before but i haven’t played my necro in a few months

Nope. Still need another enemy player to run into it to trigger.

uberkingkong.8041:

I have to say I’m disgusted about how bad we are losing to Blackgate, a 100k point loss and its only Wednesday. Speechless.

Well … actually it’s Thursday. Also, differences in participation and coverage between two servers are amplified when the 3rd server in a match has even lower participation and coverage. Add in our surge in activity this week due to having a new match up and there you have it. I personally think both JQ and DB have done a great job with what they had online this week and should hold their heads high. Just two nights ago JQ painted BGBL full red and I went to bed that night while we were trying to push a horde of DB out of our last T3 Keep at Bay on DBBL.

Zikory.6871:

Sophtspoken.9062:

50 people, 3 sup cats, 2sup acs and 2 sup balsitas all it took for bg to take klov from 8 people LMFAO, once zergs arnt as effective bg will be t4 at best

Hes right yo. Next time BG can you have 42 people respawn and wait till the tower is taken? kkthanks

On it. I’ll be next to the repair vendor picking my nose. Maybe if I have time I’ll practice pressing #1 and my CC skill buttons.

pot.6805:

salluks.6017:

why is all BG in this thread anyway??

don’t they have their own thread. missing us already?

And still funnier after knowing that you yourself posted in the BG/JQ/DB thread.

Funniest part for sure.

It’s a free country. People can post where they want, especially when those posts are on topic.

Sophtspoken.9062:

50 people, 3 sup cats, 2sup acs and 2 sup balsitas all it took for bg to take klov from 8 people LMFAO, once zergs arnt as effective bg will be t4 at best

I can’t help but feel I’ve been lied to regarding your account name.

Jahn.7019:

Maybe now that HB is back in full force they will stop whining about Euro.

BG now has HB and RK, their server now has the most Euro of any NA server.

I swear. It’s like you don’t even read people’s posts. Several people have already corrected your previous statements yet you continue like they don’t exist. Selective hearing at it’s finest.

Hickeroar.9734:

Jahn.7019:

Well, BT and VK transferred there from FA. I’m sure most of them just got there this week since the cap was raised. Not sure about any other guilds.

They got a SEA guild from KN, XF or whatever. And now with HB making a comeback, they will have just as much EURO if not more EURO than SoR. BT and VK also finished transferring over.

It’s anyone’s game, BG definitely has the population edge over anyone else though.

BT had most if not all of their active members transferred prior to the server cap increase. There were frequent albeit short drops to very high during the previous weeks that they were able to capitalize on. VK did not transfer as an organized guild to BG as far as I know. In fact, from what I heard, most of their members are in Agg now on DB (edit – 10 players according to the post below). However, XF did indeed complete their transfers from Kaineng when the cap was raised.

Also, yeah Smokee and Orc are back, which is awesome, but don’t expect see the HB of old. I’m guessing they will be playing more casually than they did in the good ole days. Still, I’m sure everyone knows how powerful simply having excellent and experienced commanders on a map can be. We’ll see how things turn out. Hopefully they will be able to bring some fun encounters for IRON, and have some fun themselves.

Anyhoo, assuming the RNG doesn’t throw us more silliness at reset, next week should be exciting. SoR is still the server to beat though. The one-two punch of IRON and a very strong EST NA presence is very tough to overcome.

Welcome back Smokee and Orc! Sound the alarm!

Tommyknocker.6089:

Caveat: if caught solo, or without a safe haven nearby be advised you will be used as a black pinball. Having no form of escape mechanism allows thieves (and many other classes) to laugh at your sorry dead kitten.

LOL this is so true, and the pinball analogy is spot on. I can’t count the number of times I’ve been punted and pulled around the field while trying to get away.

Aieo.2815:

Edit: Sorry SoR for stealing ratings away from you! BG is now ahead of you in 2 points ratings.

Nothing to be sorry about IMO. Anyone with even an ounce of sense knows that ranking in this case holds little meaning right now. No matter what the Glicko ratings say at the end of this week, SoR is still the #1 ranked NA server until the day comes that another server beats them heads up.

Seigfried.5938:

To SoR, I don’t know if you guys are taking it easy on us and TC, but I think with transfers open again, you guys have one hell of a match coming up with BG. BG is currently trouncing JQ and DB and their points are nearly equal to yours even though you are fighting two very weak servers in comparison to JQ and DB(JQ especially). This morning BG was ticking 525 :O

DB and JQ had low turnout last night. At around midnight server time, we golem rushed and took both Lowlands and Overlook within 30 minutes of each other with minimal resistance (well JQ did put up a bit of a fight). I mean, that just doesn’t happen when you have normal numbers.

Anyways, I wouldn’t make too much of last night.

flow.6043:

Liquid.9672:

sas.6483:

Personally, if I were to use condi damage in WvW, I’d go PVT with undead runes and carrion gemming.

Hrm. This sounds like an odd way to build for condition damage.

With food, 30 in Curses and ascended accessories you’d still have ~1400 condition damage.
At this point it’s not odd at all to invest in more power and survivability.
The only downside would be having a low critical chance. So on-crit effects are out of the question.

Hmmm I took his post to mean PVT trinkets as well, with just Carrion gemming. Not gonna hit 1,400 Cond Dmg that way.

ahn.9271:

I suppose we can talk about any ascended items missing – no problem.

However, the carrion armor set is relatively popular and I can’t think of any good reason not to have them. I’d hate to spend my laurels on a piece that doesn’t match right and then they come out with the items I actually need in a month or two.

Where can I post or ask about this to get an answer from a dev? Specifically “why aren’t there carrion ascended items for WvW (or at all)” and “are there plans to introduce such items in the NEAR future”?

Many threads have been posted over the past several months. A quick Google search will find them. Here was the only peep out of Anet about it …

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Ascended-amulets-and-ascended-items-overall/page/4#post1342141

4 months ago.

Gellor.6497:

Gismor.8407:

Can anyone from DB tell me what your map chat and/or TS3 chat was like last night for those on DBBL? I was the guy leading the BG forces, and the one throwing all the siege at you guys. :|

Nothing because outside of guilds, people won’t get into TS then whine hard when they die for not listening.

Yeah best I could tell it was mostly random players in that tunnel that were not communicating with each other. Its the only explanation for why they were letting us farm them over and over again. One stacked push via either a well timed door bomb or a drop off the ledge and we would have been wiped easily.

Let’s not make this a WvW vs PvE thing. The OP asked about the Ascended Carrion stat on WvW vendor, but the fact is, the stat doesn’t exist in the game at all for Ascended, including PvE.

kingcragus.6810:

I Deschain I.4623:

kingcragus.6810:

obv on defense against guards….100 vitality? yes please

The tool tip says it’s even 50 per stack. Not sure what’s right and what’s wrong… spend my points there anyway. And siege bunker of course.

Did this used to say 20 in tooltip? But just checked that and it is 50 per stack for max 5 stacks…250 vitality? YES PLEASE

I would like to see if the expand on the siege bunker line. Maybe something to reduce the conditions that siege does. For example chill of cannons etc…

It changed from 20 per stack to 50 per stack in yesterday’s patch. No mention in the patch notes. Intended? Maybe. It’s not like 100 world rank levels is nothing, and 250 Vit is not necessarily OP, particularly when you lose the stacks upon death. Plus everyone has access to it.

It’s because Carrion (Cond Dmg/Power/Vitality) and Valkyrie (Power/Vitality/Crit Dmg) don’t exist in the game for Ascended items. No idea why. Players have been expecting Anet to add them at some point but so far, nada.

sas.6483:

Personally, if I were to use condi damage in WvW, I’d go PVT with undead runes and carrion gemming.

Hrm. This sounds like an odd way to build for condition damage.

eithinan.9841:

I am not suggesting any 2v1 or anything but if BG can pull away from JQ, you guys are within a few points of toppling SOR from first place with regards to the glicko rating.

edit: All you need is TC to keep up the fight.

These are just my views, but #1 and #2 rating is rather meaningless, particularly when it’s so close. The reasons BG is gaining rating and SoR is losing rating have to do with random chance, which really invalidates the difference. The only way it will matter to me is if BG beats SoR in a direct match and overtakes the #1 rating spot. Otherwise it’s just Glicko silliness.

Fuzzion.2504:

is MOS screwy, or did JQ just take over the entire BG map?

Yup. Everyone is asleep or doing the new PvE stuff. Those of us still in WvW are on DBBL defending Bay right now. Or was, I gotta get to bed too. Nighty night all!

Excalibur.9748:

now that arrow carts nerfed to uselessness?

Uselessness? That’s quite a stretch don’t you think?

Hmmm 2,800 sounds like a good spot. I guess we’ll have to see how it plays out. As long as ACs stop being the answer for EVERYTHING I’ll be happy.

Burl.9567:

Liquid.9672:

covenn.7165:

I did vote to go to DB this week personally, but in retrospect, that would have been a poor choice and might have hurt DB… whereas we are nothing more than a small blip on JQ.

How many votes did BG get? I’m guessing it was two, because Hoots cheated and voted twice.

None. We were afraid of being sucked in and not making it back out.

Yeah I can understand. You probably would have liked it so much you wouldn’t want to leave. Smart choice on your part.

Having base Toughness in WvW scares me a bit, but I’m going to wait until the June professions patch and choose a path. I’m sitting on 100 Laurels because I just haven’t been able to make a definitive choice in gear/gameplay for my Necro (I WvW exclusively in large team play). This thread has really got me thinking about Carrion over Rabid for my conditions build, although I may just ditch conditions altogether in favor of a Power build.

Sticky post right at the top.

According to what Devon said, it seems they set the RNG wider at the start to reign in the ratings a bit and tighten them up. I bet in a few weeks we see an announcement that they’re going to reduce the range of the RNG to some level that still creates some movement but with a lesser degree of variation.

covenn.7165:

I did vote to go to DB this week personally, but in retrospect, that would have been a poor choice and might have hurt DB… whereas we are nothing more than a small blip on JQ.

How many votes did BG get? I’m guessing it was two, because Hoots cheated and voted twice.

Neuromancer.2148:

Why did TW transfer to JQ and not DB who actually need the help?

They were originally on JQ, so it probably had a bit to do with that. I highly doubt the move had anything to do with helping anyone, but rather trolling BG for a few laughs. Our history is a tad on the ugly side.

Saruon.4085:

Thanks for all the fights tonight on DB BL and JQ BL.

Shoutout to LotD, KnT, SF, and AoS for coming out and playing!

Dear Agg. /respect /bow

Nice movement tonight. You reminded me how fun open field can be, and how lazy we may have gotten in some ways.

/salute

Edit – Miss ya!

JohnCray.9675:

I’ve just heard from one of my guildies in JQ that Tempest Wolves is considering a move/has moved back to JQ. I’d love to check myself, but I’m currently on vacation. Is there any truth to this?

Nothing surprises me anymore, but this is extremely unlikely I would say.

Robot Chocken.7012:

Reslinal.2359:

Kryyg.8576:

pot.6805:

Kryyg.8576:

^^ With all the guilds that BG has gotten, you should be mopping the floor with everyone quite frankly.

BG is the most stacked and overpopulated server of all NA servers. You’ve basically merged 3 other servers into yours.

It’s a testament to JQ that we are staying competitive even though you’ve gained 15+ guilds and we’ve lost 3 in the same time.

JQ was the most stacked server since the days of HoD, winning T1 by 80k before BG came. To say you have population issues is laughable.

It’s laughable that you are trying to deny that BG is currently the most populated server in all of NA and yet you guys are still trying to recruit even more guilds to your server.

No idea why you think BG is the most populated server. WvW population wise, SoR has the most population in NA time, BG probably has most population in Oceanic/SEA time, and SoR right now has most population in EU. Server population wise, both TC, JQ, BG were full with TC and JQ being full a bit longer..BG may have received more guild transfers more recently but JQ got a huge amount of guilds when free transfer ended…

We have had 4 guilds total transfer since launch. 2 of them still play. Just to set things straight on that.

Ummm. I’m not intending to be argumentative, but JQ has received a lot more than 4 guild transfers since launch. I remember the laundry list of guilds from just before free transfers ended that Rawnoodles had in his recruitment thread, although not every little detail. Sadly Rawnoodles had at some point later edited out that list and deleted the post (you can still find it with a forum search). Since free transfers, yeah, that’s a doughnut as far as I know. But to an extent I understand why. JQ is the winningest server so far in GW2 WvW (by a mile), and guilds have a tendency to avoid transferring to the #1 server for fear of being labeled a bandwagoner. Also, there’s the “root for the underdog” factor that probably plays a part.

Jahn.7019:

The funny thing is, none of SoR leaders actually post on these boards so your point is a moot one.

But overall, everyone should do less trolling.

I’m sure you’re aware why Indo doesn’t post on these forums right?

Israel.7056:

The forum warriors give a bad impression of the server to people on the outside looking in.

It’s really quite different when you’re on the inside looking out.

Hit the nail on the head right here. This applies to every server. You can fight a lot of things, but you can’t fight human nature.

IXJac.4197:

oxide.8324:

SoR didn’t think of balancing the tier when they accepted IRON and began getting blowout wins.

It’s amusing how everything changes with hindsight.

As I recall, when IRON came to SoR the overriding opinion from all posters was that it would balance out the tier. In fact, you can check the posts yourself – the threads are still there.

There is probably truth to this to an extent. However, I don’t believe ANYONE expected the IRON transfer to pull so many SoR players out of the woodwork (including players on SoR).

Yshyr.8709:

Keep in mind the most probable match remains SoR/JQ/BG. Actually with the gap between t1 and t2 increasing this week its even more likely.

This is true, but I’m still hopeful that the RNG throws the tier a curve ball or two this week for the sake of change. I think many of us are a bit tired of each other’s company.

In EU, the #2 server fell to #4 which was 130 rating away, and the #3 server fell to #8, which was 280 rating away. Odds are fine and all, but if you ever played online poker, remember how many times that dude across the table that called your all-in absolutely dominated and went runner-runner on a 2 outer to beat your hand. I still have some dents in the wall from throwing things back when I used to play sit-and-gos.