Quite frankly, all guilds can go where they want and servers can accept whoever they want but the fact of the matter is BG should know better, you know who in the current tier needs help, it isn’t SoR and it isn’t BG, it IS JQ.
Any interest in transfers should have been sent to JQ. I know for a fact that anyone that Indo talks to , he recommends to them JQ or BG telling them that SoR isn’t in a position of accepting transfers for the health of the tier.
I know it’s easy being selfish and thinking only of yourselves, but you really should beyond your desire to win. JQ hasn’t gotten a single transfer since free transfers have closed, if anything they have just lost people. We need to make a collective effort and help them build their coverage back up.
Also, I hope the matchup changes up significantly like it did for Euro, this tier is now stale and I think everyone is sick of each other leading to a lot of unnecessary hostility.
Just thought I’d mention that BG doesn’t have a recruiting thread out there currently. It’s not like we’re furiously trying to gobble gobble guilds. If XF wanted to come to BG to join their former SEA mates from Kaineng, what are we supposed to say? No?
A PvX SEA guild wouldn’t have helped JQ anyways. They need more WvW players coming out in NA, as does BG when comparing NA WvW participation for both servers vs. SoR. This match was over on Sunday. SoR didn’t tick below 300ppt during NA prime any day this week, with spikes to 400 in early NA, with the exception of last night when the match was already over and SoR had their 40k target cushion.
Meanwhile, the score between BG and JQ was within 5k much of this week, with JQ having the lead for a good chunk of it, until Wednesday when BG started pulling ahead and built a 10k lead until this morning (speaking in NA timezone terms). It was actually a pretty fun week battling it out with JQ for 2nd place. At least it was up for grabs which is pretty rare in WvW for any tier.
Yeah, I don’t blame IRON in the slightest. They made the best decision they could with the information available at the time. The fact is, they would have imbalanced a tier no matter where they decided to go, due in part to playing in a time zone that is typically weak for all NA servers and mostly due to the morale boost and excitement factor they would bring with them. SoR obviously had the players available, they just needed an event like the IRON transfer to start to care on a broader scale.
It’s all good. Things ebb and flow, and the only guarantee is that the balance of power can and will change in GW2 WvW. As long as it’s still fun, exciting, and frustrating, I’ll be out there every night I can.
So… Do we actually know what new guilds are transferring to BG or are we just maximizing our forum trolling PPT?
Sorry for the tone of my previous reply to you. Your previous comment got under my skin a bit and I know better than to let that happen. Anyhoo, it’s one guild, which was known and posted right in this thread earlier in the week, or maybe even in last week’s match thread. People are just getting riled up when they saw the PPT this morning.
That style of trolling kinda falls flat when you’re trying it against the team that just dominated you for yet another week.
Watching BG trying to do everything they can to beat SoR but failing every week does have entertainment value.
My post had nothing to do with SoR as a “team”, as you put it, or server. And what do you mean by “everything it can”? Do you mean going out each night and trying to score points with whomever is on the maps? Isn’t JQ doing the same thing, yet achieving the same end result? The horse you’re sitting on must have a nice view from up there.
Well, in my experience, when Blackgate wins OR loses, they generally never show any kind of long term resilience…. until they buy some more guilds that is.
/hug
Keep em coming. Aurust obviously needs a lot of them.
JQ has been dropping from Full to Very High constantly, but for short period of times, yesterday we were at Very High right before the start of NA prime.
Same for BG. Just about every day there are short periods when the status drops. It’s very random and tends to be very short however.
Yeah in my opinion, it’s based on some kind of weighted average that uses both accounts that have a server set as their “home” server and the login activity of those accounts. Sometimes that average drops to whatever the number is below the line that separates “Full” and “Very High” status. This could explain why Blackgate drops to Very High almost every day.
I personally do not believe blackouts work anymore, in terms of forcibly dropping server status. However, I do believe that blackouts can effect server status at some point in the future in how they might affect the weighted average calculation.
From the looks of things this may the lowest change in rating in T1 ever. I guess we’re all performing as Mr. Glicko expected. Congrats on being average guys! (cracks a beer)
Seems the gap between t1 and t2 is only growing. SoS is bleeding points from TC and FA. If the same thing keeps happening we may be stuck with each other for a very very long time.
One of us just needs to roll a large negative number, and someone in T2 a decent positive number. The 150 rating difference between the tiers is still doable, but the odds still favor our match staying the same.
All it will take is one time of this happening and that T2 server is going to bleed off a lot of rating from the other servers in the matchup thus closing the gap once again.
Very true. Although it depends on which server moves down (assuming it’s just one) and the score. The last time BG was in T2 we scored 300k vs TC and KN, which DB is doing in T3 and gaining 30 rating in a match where they entered with 140 more rating than the next closest server.
So he’s proud that his server is now even more stacked than BG and JQ?
Actually no, I just loged in game and at this time JQ and BG are both full. 3:36 US East coast time. While SoR is only very high. Reason why we are winning in PPT right now in WvW is becasue of what Indo said. Your servers are still way more stacked than SoR. If your not fielding the players its becasue of what indo said.
Seems the gap between t1 and t2 is only growing. SoS is bleeding points from TC and FA. If the same thing keeps happening we may be stuck with each other for a very very long time.
One of us just needs to roll a large negative number, and someone in T2 a decent positive number. The 150 rating difference between the tiers is still doable, but the odds still favor our match staying the same.
I just double checked and this is the 22nd match of BGvSoR. That’s 5 1/2 months worth of matches. As such, I think this awesome 80’s commercial sums up our relationship perfectly …
Anet really needs to get a handle on this. With the buffs to arrow carts, and increased range and target area in particular, ACs are hitting areas that should be off limits. Players are going to start quitting the game format over this.
owh, thanks Liq’ i guess that was the main problem, because i ran and hit diffrent groups every time :X
Since you said “hit different groups” I thought I should clarify assuming my understanding of what you said is correct. I don’t mean “groups of enemy players”. I mean, party up with other players on your side and try to stay together. Your entire party’s damage on a single player will determine whether you qualify for a bag drop or not.
Simple answer: You’re not doing enough damage to each enemy you’re hitting. You have to do a certain percentage of damage to a player to be eligible for loot. The best way to combat this is to join a group, in which case the damage of the entire group counts towards that percentage which in turn increases your chances for loot.
I like everything I read, but at the end of the day, it’s all about the implementation. Still, I’m pleased to see that Anet is at least aware of some of the issues and are working on ways to address them.
1) The extended range ability needs to be reduced or eliminated. It’s allowing ACs to hit areas they really have no business hitting.
2) There needs to be a limit on how many ACs that can be placed within a certain distance of each other. I don’t know what the right number is, but right now, too many ACs can hit the same location.
3) The game needs to handle LoS better. There are many locations that an AC can be placed and fire through what should be non-LoS depending on camera angles a player can achieve. Speaking of which, no Tower or Keep gates should have a gap over them which an AC operator can get LoS inside. With the increased range and extended hit area abilities, ACs on gates can hit the Lords room in some Towers which is ridiculous.
That’s it off the top of my head. My guess is the buffs to ACs were implemented to reduce the size of player zergs (at least partially), but in my opinion it’s making the issue worse. Zergs are now getting bigger to counter 7+ ACs in a Tower firing on one location.
As sostronk stated, it can still be really bad when an insane number of players are at one location. However, those situations are not the norm (thankfully), and I’ve noticed an improvement. The server seems to be handling 100ish players clashing much better now, but there are still issues when that number is pushed higher.
We have stated these points numerous times before, but somehow, it was always wrongly perceived as boasting, server propaganda because some people can only relate to their own set of standards and everything falling outside of that it is not accepted.
I don’t think it’s really about that, but more about constantly being shoved down people’s throats. That said, you look good in a hooded cloak Zen!
Interesting perspective. And if it is true, impressive if they’ve got the entire server all on the same page. How that is even possible I don’t know though, so many different players and guilds.
One of us, one of us, gooble gobble, we accept her we accept her, one of us, one of us.
Just an fyi, BG is not always full, but the windows of opportunity are typically short and have random timing. BG went to very high at about 6:30pm server time just today for example. It can be hit or miss though. As far as other servers go, I’m afraid I can’t offer any specific help, but I’m sure many if not all servers will provide an enjoyable experience. I’ve been on BG since release so all I have to go on is what I read heh.
Two different people who play on BG have come outright in the last 2 pages and said you have issues over there. I’m just analyzing it. If you have a problem, talk to your fellow BGers. You can blame me and paint me to be a bad guy all you want, but it’s not going to fix the problems your server has internally.
edit: Correction 3 different BGers have come out and posted that you guys have severe issues on BG. One of them even going as far as saying they hope some of their WvW guilds leave the server because they are so toxic.
Jahn spin is in full effect … DUCK AND COVER! It was one person, not three, and he’s entitled to express his opinions. I and many on BG disagree with his views. Yet you take this single opinion and all of a sudden it’s OMG SEVERE ISSUES! Not it isn’t. Not at all.
Now, about your guild list. It’s not about the number of guilds, it’s about the number of players. Many of the guilds you listed fall into the small/medium category, and some run skirmish/havoc/straight player pvp and don’t blob on a single pin which is practically a requirement to take/defend anything in T1 these days. Some players simply won’t run that meta, and that’s their prerogative.
Sounds like a core problem within BG. I agree with the poster above that BG probably has absorbed a lot, if not the most, wvw orientated guilds of the 3 servers yet their performance does not show. It seems that the entire atmosphere of BG is toxic. You need a strong leader to step up to re-organize the server or the current active wvw guilds should start over somewhere else to be quite frank. It’s obvious the current “eat up as many servers/guilds as possible and we’ll be ok” strategy isn’t working for BG.
That being said, if it requires a 2v1 against SoR, then it requires a 2v1 against SoR. I think most Rallians are used to being the underdog by nature, so a 2v1 would bring that back for them since that’s where they thrive.
The atmosphere isn’t toxic at all. We have some kinks to work out with communication on our new TS setup, but other than that the environment is as friendly and organized as it can be. Sure there are frustrations at times, but I don’t believe any server is immune to that and it’s perfectly normal.
Why player activity dropped for certain guilds that transferred to the server is anyone’s guess. My personal feelings on the matter is some of those guilds were already hurting, and some players just wanted a last hoorah with a T1 victory before calling it quits on the game. The players that remain have been reorganizing and rebuilding their rosters, but that takes time. In the meantime, the core is still there doing our thing and leadership is still strong and doing their thing. But on many days and certain times we simply haven’t been able to sustain the same numbers in WvW as SoR.
Meanwhile SoR blobbing Woodhaven with significant numbers that surpassed ours, it still wasn’t enough. They had to zoom hack and take our the ACs from the Woodhaven lords room, god forbid we play fairly for once.
:(
You know…. you can build AC infront of tower to shoot pass little gap above gate to skill siege inside, right ?
Can the increased range on AC mastery reach the Lord’s room? Cause that’s where the siege was that was getting hit. And if so, that is broken. You should not be able to hit the Lord’s room with an AC on the gate.
So I got back from a backpacking trip and log in to see SoR is red and we’re fighting BG and JQ again. Huge disappointment. No hate against those servers, but some of the best guilds that really challenge you are on lower tiered servers and it’d be nice to fight them for once rather than the same enemies for 3 months straight.
Yeah I’m sure those lower tier servers would really enjoy that.
that is just an insane amount of acs anet really need to nerf them
Yeah. I witnessed similar circumstances in SoR occupied BG Garri late last night/early this morning. I think we counted 8 ACs up on the top floor, to go along with 2 Trebs, a Cata, and however many ACs there were at the two inner gates and on the Lord’s room floor.
Anet really needs to consider capping the number of ACs that can be built within a certain distance of each other. It’s actually forcing us to create even larger zergs just to counter the ACs, defeating what I believe to be the purpose of buffing AC damage in the first place (reduce zerg size and alleviate skill lag to a degree).
I wish I had a gold for every time JQ or BG hide behind arrow carts.
Throw SoR in there and we all can be rich. I wasn’t pointing fingers. It’s the current meta, and all sides are doing it.
that is just an insane amount of acs anet really need to nerf them
Yeah. I witnessed similar circumstances in SoR occupied BG Garri late last night/early this morning. I think we counted 8 ACs up on the top floor, to go along with 2 Trebs, a Cata, and however many ACs there were at the two inner gates and on the Lord’s room floor.
Anet really needs to consider capping the number of ACs that can be built within a certain distance of each other. It’s actually forcing us to create even larger zergs just to counter the ACs, defeating what I believe to be the purpose of buffing AC damage in the first place (reduce zerg size and alleviate skill lag to a degree).
Waitaminute. Did I just read a post from someone who plays on SoR questioning the size of BG’s zergs?
Don’t forget main WvW forum rule, enemy always have a group/zerg/blob/megablob at least 2 times greater than yours
Yep no doubt about that. In retrospect, it’s also possible that he’s a havoc style player, likes small encounters and really doesn’t pay attention to what his server’s zerg is doing nor the size of it. Anyhoo, the question just struck me as odd given typical circumstances.
How come every time I read about this Indo speech I picture a dude standing on a palace balcony shouting into a microphone and a massive horde of people below chanting and cheering while waving flags?
“We do this for each shard in the pool, re-sort by rating, and then use the shuffled ordering to create our groups of three for the week’s matchups. Just to be clear, this random adjustment only applies to the numbers used for determining matchups. Real ratings are still only changed by winning or losing”
So what is real rating then? We drop from 7th position to 11?
I think Millenium is still working this out with how they display things. It was pretty crazy today.
You dropped from 7 to 11 purely for matchmaking purposes, and positioning within your 3 server match (Green/Blue/Red). Your “real” rating didn’t change. Millenium is displaying your “matchmaking” rating currently.
Piken rolled a negative number, so your “matchup rating” went down. On the flip side, Gunnar’s rolled a huge positive number, so they gained almost 300 “matchup rating” moved up 8 slots to face you!
Be gentle.
So wait…by getting lucky…they get pummeled? Oh dear.
Yep. With this new system, the reward for hitting the jackpot is getting run over by a truck.
By the way, here’s the information on the new matchmaking system in case any of you missed it, which it seems some have …
Out of curiosity, is the random roll going to be set up to roll in advance of a reset, so servers have a general idea on who they will be facing in the next match maybe a day or two ahead of time, or will this roll only happen after the current match ends?
Piken rolled a negative number, so your “matchup rating” went down. On the flip side, Gunnar’s rolled a huge positive number, so they gained almost 300 “matchup rating” moved up 8 slots to face you!
Nice video mate and good luck on Blackgate. What time do you guys log on? would be nice have some fights, especially with people who hate ac’s as much as us.
We are NA CST/EST, I think we always log on as you guys are logging off :-(
But it is nice meeting another brother of AC hate. I wish they would just remove the things from the game.
Follow the DAoC model ANet: trebs, ballistas, catas and rams.
I certainly wouldn’t shed any tears if they removed ACs from the game.
Axe 2 should be a whirl finisher(it already looks like one)
Axe 3 should be a blast finisher (also looks like a blast finisher)
Warhorn 4 should be a projectile finisher
Focus 4 should also be a projectile finisher
Also Dagger 5 should be a blast finisher.
I totally agree with this. The spell animation even kind of looks “blastfinisherish”.
Yeah, moving from an Elementalist to Necro, one of my biggest adjustments was learning to live with far fewer blast finishers. I use Putrid Mark in Lightning and Fire fields though (I play WvW exclusively) and it works well enough. I do wish there were more options though.
