Guild Wars 2

They want us to out live our opponents yet our most common boon (rejen), doesn’t even work in death shroud.

They will buff weakness and call it a necro buff even though so many classes have access to it.

So much condi cleanse in this game that we can’t keep up with our slow application of condis.

Is there a reason we can’t have confusion ?

They just said they don’t want to give us stability!!?? For an attrition class? I’ll make sure you don’t get away as soon as I get off the ground! Can’t even shroud stomp anymore…

Thank you!!!!

We love to hear from you guys here.

When I see the necro forums all I see is “rabble rabble rabble rabble”!!!

I keep seeing people talking about how fire is not very necro like, and that’s why we shouldn’t have access to it.

I have to disagree.

I haven’t seen a creepy robed cult guy not carry a torch around. Guardians have access to a blue fire, why not give us access to a black fire.

I know this will prob not happen, just wanted to say some black falmes would kick kitten.

I want to use Amaterasu

SupahSpankeh.8452:

I made a thread about him and his port glitches a few weeks back.

He can, if used correctly, get you into all sorts of interesting places.

I plan to make a PvP video of all his uses.

Will Also check out that thread to see if there is anything I didn’t know about.

Yes, working as intended.

I wanted to discuss the flesh worm in tpvp. I am a r40 necro who has a lot of success with power and condi builds. Since beta I have been running spectral walk for my stun break and retreat( for power & condi builds), until recently. I have now fallen in love with flesh worm.

I always new flesh worm was good, but was always hesitant to take it because of how buggy the port is. But in high lvl tpvp resetting fights is vital, getting out quick, rejen, and jump back into the action. Spectral walk is not sufficient when it comes to this tactic. You might be able to pull off some jukes, but a lot of the time you will go down.

Knowing where to put flesh worm is vital because of how glitch it is. You have to test it on many areas on all the maps to use it to full effect. But after I mastered flesh worm, I don’t think I can go without him on my bar any more.

He is the best get out of jail card we have, hope necros start seeing that.

Proof of my success in the attachment below.

Weakness needs a buff!

-75% endurance rejen would suffice.

Necromancers are supposed to be masters of attrition. So let’s think of ways to buff the class in that regard.

Our cast times are to slow, and in a long fight we will fail many of them.
*War horn daze should be instant cast like the thiefs daze, so we can stop heal.
*focus 5
*dagger 3

He have no access to vigor or block, that wins attrition fights.
Life steal is bad and doesn’t make up for this.

Side note. Make staff marks scale better with power

Staff auto attack speed

But fixes only.

Nerf evaded

Login.5102:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

If you’re going Daggers, you won’t be standing far away to do damage, so you’d be wasting a trait, not to mention I’m not positive why you want 20 points in Curses if you are going dagger power.

Wt f, This guys power dagger build goes 20 into curses lol-

Anyways, Targeted wells is viable, and actually used to be the most played necro power build in high lvl tpvp. Necros would drop there wells and go through there staff rotation then lich form to devastate team fights from a distance. After lich run in and finish off people with dagger and plus your wells will be up again.

What is it ?

It would be to op IMO. Sounds good though.

High vitality necro with plague Sig taking cover and epi himself with out the risk of getting hit. plague copies condis pretty far, epi hits people from a good distance. after that land a putrid…

These few changes would fix the necromancer

*staff’s marks are large by default( but not unblockable/ put this with staff mastery trait. This alone would open up many builds for the necromancer.)

*make staying in death shroud worth while!!!

As it is, staying in death shroud is never a good idea. Good necros dance in and out of ds to get stability/weakening shroud/rental/fury, doom and to take some burst. The traits that promote staying in deathshroud are weak and never worth it ( aoe vul/ 15% speed lol). Rejen doesn’t or any healing doesn’t work while were in ds either. The DMG reduction on life blast at 50% should also be adjusted, or lb to be buffed in general.

*just buff some of our traits. A lot of our traits are lackluster if you comepare them to other classes.

Might at 25% health? 25 into spite
100 power if you have 90% health? 25 pts into BM
100 power if you have 50% Lf? 25 pts in SR

We need something that helps us be that attrition class we were meant to be.

Like the idea, but not sure devs want us to have any more mobility. It sounds a bit confusing also.

Try this, what would the tool tip for this ds5 say?

I find the team colors politically incorrect and insensitive to family’s who have delt with, or has lost a member to gang violence.

Jk, I go blood.

Making greater marks the default size would be a huge step in the right direction.

YES, worth the trade.

BIP
EPI
COR

These are our best skills.

Why is this in the spvp section.

and where the kitten is your staff

wish something could be done…..

instant first blast. I’m about to bump this thread till anet makes it happen.

I am deleting my original post because of ice flame.

That is the best way to improve life blast . its a simple change that’s balanced and would improve power builds greatly.

So read his post,

Wish this new Condi could help ad builds :<

Lol yeah its way more effective then HGH. That vuln factors in way more then the condi engis bring to the table with p/p nades.

I have seen way to many tpvp vids of might stacking necros owning it. And theres way to many top teams who bring a necro.

O wait there’s not 1.

Maskaganda.2043:

^
you’re right, I find it funny that some complain about hgh while I can get 25 stacks of might on my necromancer without really sacrificing much. 1 adept trait, 1 utility, 1 sigil vs 1 grandmaster trait, 2 utilities and a heal, 1 sigil and appropriate runes. go figure :p

also, correcting something said above, sigil of battle and sigil of strength share cooldowns. it’s not a good idea to use them together.

Lol not.

First of alL, any good necro knows spamming life blast is never good because of how life force degeneration works. You are supposed to pop in and out of ds.

Not only that necros start matches with 0 life force.

As an HGH engi, I run around with 20 stacks alllll game boy

Moah makes my lich a reject

Skyro.3108:

Login.5102:

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I help new players learn Necromancer by actually helping/teaching them ingame. I’ve helped numerous people learn Necromancer. Necromancer is the only class that I do not charge Gems/Gold to teach.

As for the build, if you want to see it in action, contact me ingame. I will however tell you what the build focuses on, protection (Significant uptime of protection often nearing 60 seconds), blindness (Strongest condition in the game), and deathshroud (Constant building of Deathshroud to buffer cooldowns)

If you can replicate it from those 3 basic ideas, then you should be fine. It’s not a complicated build, but once again, I don’t share it with many people based upon the original player’s fears.

You can not get 60 sec of protection.

Is this your build?

0/0/30/20/20

Greater marks/well protection
Mark of evasion/well CD
Last gasp

WOB/WOD/WOP/WOC / plague form

Shamans amulet

S/d staff

Runes of earth

Spectral Attunement + Spectral Mastery + Spectral Wall alone gives you a base 15s protection on a 32s cooldown. Spectral Attunement also increases the duration of protection on Spectral Armor.

60>15

Can’t imagine a bunker necro going 20 into curses/ or taking sa/sw over a well build

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

I help new players learn Necromancer by actually helping/teaching them ingame. I’ve helped numerous people learn Necromancer. Necromancer is the only class that I do not charge Gems/Gold to teach.

As for the build, if you want to see it in action, contact me ingame. I will however tell you what the build focuses on, protection (Significant uptime of protection often nearing 60 seconds), blindness (Strongest condition in the game), and deathshroud (Constant building of Deathshroud to buffer cooldowns)

If you can replicate it from those 3 basic ideas, then you should be fine. It’s not a complicated build, but once again, I don’t share it with many people based upon the original player’s fears.

You can not get 60 sec of protection.

Is this your build?

0/0/30/20/20

Greater marks/well protection
Mark of evasion/well CD
Last gasp

WOB/WOD/WOP/WOC / plague form

Shamans amulet

S/d staff

Runes of earth

sorrow.2364:

evilapprentice.6379:

Painfully obvious troll is painfully obvious.

So, dear sir, I’d like to know which profession have access to those features I’ve listed as easy as Thieves can access to Stealth.
Oh, wait. You said I’m a troll: that’s how people avoid uncomfortable arguments these days. Don’t worry then.

Login.5102:

Sorrow I have never face palmed harder in my entire life.

Anyways if you think thieves are op in tpvp, you are simply bad or just play hot joins.

Thieves excel at killing baddies.

Baddies excel at crying on forums.(it all makes sense now huh?)

From a tpvp necro.

PS don’t care about wvwv this is the PvP forum.

I like those random forum “pro” whose only thing they can say is “L2P”, “You are a baddie”, “I play tPvP man! Lemme say this to everyone, this makes me look good!”, “You cry on forum, baddie!” to answer any well composed and complex reasoning.
You contribute to the topic is essential. Keep going.

Because anyone who plays high lvl tpvp knows that the thief is not op.

Answer this question sorrow so we can get another glimpse of your PvP knowledge.

Would you rather have any kind of thief on your team over a bm ranger, bunker guard, shatter mess, ele, or a HGH engi?

Let me guess, your answer is : Who cares about bm ranger/bunker guard/shatter mess/ele/HGH engi? Those classes can’t go stealth!

But then again I’m asking some body who just said who cares about every defensive boon in the game….

And please respond, keep going. Your kittening hilarious.

Thanks john!!

BTW I don’t care what other plays say, death shroud management is what sets the good necros apart from the bad ones

evilapprentice.6379:

sorrow.2364:

Who cares about Protection/Stability/Block/Immunity?

Those are only capabilities hardly available to any profession and all on a very short duration.

Painfully obvious troll is painfully obvious.

Sorrow I have never face palmed harder in my entire life.

Anyways if you think thieves are op in tpvp, you are simply bad or just play hot joins.

Thieves excel at killing baddies.

Baddies excel at crying on forums.(it all makes sense now huh?)

From a tpvp necro.

PS don’t care about wvwv this is the PvP forum.

mostly from knockdowns and knockbacks.

Plauge signet, Spectral armor, Spectral walk all seem to fail A LOT when it comes to knockdowns. When i press a stun breaker it should pop me right up right?

Wtf did I just read

RyuDragnier.9476:

I think a lot of us are holding back on this, Bas. I know I am because I know how Necromancers work. Any condition I throw at them they can either throw right back at me or convert to boons. And considering pretty much every Ranger weapon has conditions on them…yeah, they’re our natural counter class.

Did this guy really say condi necro counters bm ranger. Ahhhahhhahhhhhhhhhahhhhahhhhhhh mlololollolllollool.

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

I would look into testing Spectral Attunement with Last Gasp first. Last Gas kitten till a fantastic trait, though.

EDIT: Wow, that was an odd spot for the filter to trip.

Lol can’t say p. I .s

Last gas kitten till

Bhawb.7408:

Sure, I’m useless. But if my minions are still around, that is the majority of my DPS and survivability running around. The only thing Moa takes from me is CC and burst.

…here’s a fix I have been saying forever

MOAH FORM TURNS OUR MINIONS INTO BABY MOAHS. THEY CAN NOT ATTACK AND CAN STILL TAKE DMG.

Good stuff right? Not to mention seeing a line of baby moahs behind you would be adorable.

I wonder if this is a bug?

Dayyy tuuuk arrr jibs

I’ve had the most success with this one.

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30 greater marks/staff mastery/well protection
20 mark of evasion/well CD
20 path of midnight/soul marks

Shamans amulet/earth runes/ energy signets

Staff & S/D

Well of blood/ well of corruption/ well of darkness/ well of power/ plague

Has constant rejen/ great protection uptime(well proc/last gasp/rune proc/45% pro duration) / 2300+ toughness with great condi manipulation. Wob heals for around 12000, plague form has extra bleeds and rejen from mark of evasion. Not to mention crazy LF gain.

Wells still do siphon DMG when traited right????

Runes of the ranger!!!!!

5% DMG all the time. No need for a companion !

Okay respect your decision on VR and MoT

But i cant stress enough how bad vital persistence is(and well known by necros). Good death shroud management is what sets the bad necros from the good necros. As a necro you never ever want to be in death shroud for a long time because of how the degen works(poping in and out doesn’t even cost lf). You need to pop in and out to soak damage/stability incoming cc/stomp/use the skills. If your using ds properly vp will not matter. Path of midnight would be a far better choice.

How about change death nova into putrid ground. I think this change would balance MM completely.

I like these kind of builds although I have not found they are not that viable in tpvp. But if you like the build rock it.

A few suggestions though.

1. Runes of ranger are better than eagle ( its 5% DMG all the time. You don’t need a companion.)

2. Vital persistence is a bad trait. Take path of midnight or unyeilding blast.

3. I believe you would benefit much more from soul marks in this build rather than master of terror.

4. This one would be my preference. I would take well mastery over vampiric rituals. Getting out your two wells more often would have more of an effect then the siphon.

TheMightyAltroll.3485:

By the way, the 3 builds that I’ve posted are merely 3 viable ones that I recently came up with. I have 34 builds in total that I’ve theory crafted, and out of the 34, 22 are viable in tPvP.

God do your math right, there’s only 33,87.8 viable builds in tpvp

This build looks…………very fun.

emon.1863:

Tenderly.7019:

Please don’t ever use staff in tPvP unless you run Greater Marks in Death Magic. Staff isn’t worth using without it.

Source – Over 2000 PvP Games as Necro.

Staff is also used for fear , condition removing and fast DS recharging.
“Greater Marks” are good, but they still can be evaded and they have bug’s.

? Greater makes is an absolute must for staff. do you understand how #4 works and how important it is to your teammates?

I am positive anet announced that gems would be a reward for winning tournaments months ago in a video they released. Can we get a response on what happened to this?