Guild Wars 2

Ravezaar.4951:

My Spite Reaper totally un-changed by this, gotta laugh at the Condi-love yet again.

changed the Spite Gm trait no1 use, no buffs to GS,Focus or Axe not even alterations basicly pushing all to be Condi-corrupers now meh not for me

Hey! I use that thing and its amazing.

Ravezaar.4951:

Nice Vid Donee, and well NO Iam not excited by the 2 changes we seen since they dont effect my Power playstyle at all but hopefully us Power Reapers get something aswell.

Thanks, mate. Be excited for us condi necros, just support us and we’ll support you, power necros, on your ascend to the top.

… before 01/26 patch!

Who is excited for the changes?!

Leeto is a great necro player but he rages about everything if you watch his stream. So don’t take it personal.

Just for showing purposes, so don’t take it serious. Man … i am enjoyiiiing it!

https://youtu.be/HsSSJS7GgTk

Viper for PVE and Trailblazer for WvW. Can’t go wrong with this!

psizone.8437:

No offense, I usually really enjoy your videos but that Druid setup (bump into it so many times in WvW) isn’t very fun to watch.

The fights just drag on too long with little to no risk unless you’re outnumbered (which you were in the video, granted.)

I get what you saying, not many people enjoy it, but is so kitten fun!
Its the alternative i found for condi meele ranger, got bored play that setup for a while, but i may be back to it at some point.
Anyway, thanks for enjoying my others videos. <3

Btw if the fight is dragging for too long, what do you think about dis: https://youtu.be/HsSSJS7GgTk ?

Taking the dust off my old ranger and enjoying it a lot! Still have a lot to catch up and improve but i’ll get there, hopefully. Thanks for watching.

TheLastNobody.8319:

Lynnie.7213:

Who is excited with leeching bolts healing through shroud? \o/
Say wuuut!

I would be…if the bolts ever HIT ANYTHING! I’m more worried about what they AREN’T telling us though.

I am excited because this is one stop to actually get healed through shroud by outside factors, like others players.

Who is excited with leeching bolts healing through shroud? \o/
Say wuuut!

AlphaReborn.1567:

Hey Donee, love your vids… I’m a new Necro (not new to GW though) and was wondering what build you were using here… Was it the one from this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBrM7mBzL-E

Please let me know, thanks!

Thanks, man. I am using that same build with some slightly changes sometimes depending on what professions i am running into more frequently in a determined day. But no official changes in my build yet, since i haven’t been playing WvW enough.

Ravezaar.4951:

Rise is futile vs Thieves and Mesmers but very good vs the rest of the Classes, any type of Chill is also futile vs Thieves but Rise is DH killer due to it sets of there Traps and they way most DH runs Rise takes away 75% of there dps and I like who clueless they become waiting for there traps to get off cd. Hence why I prefer it to Sw tho I miss the jukes

Yeah, both skills are amazing. I think its more a personal preference thing.

Ravezaar.4951:

Yea Iam more into Power Necro/Reaper aswell since thats all I play after the “Terrormancer era” and Condi is stronger no doubt, Id say its the case for 7 out of 9 Classes atm. Still I do appreciate a good Vid no matter what Specc and Iv always enjoyed Donee’s Vid and ofc Hollts Power Vidz.

Power Reaper has some very bad MU’s when u roam atm. Hammer Rev, Daredevil’s specially when they get they can just out dps u from Range and all types of Eles/Tempest are imho really bad MU. DH is suprisingly easy if u just slot Rise tho.

Rise is such a life savior, but so is Spectral walk. I can never make my mind between both.

Holl.3109:

Sandrox.9524:

Not that I disrespect you persey, I just dont get so excited seeing condi player rek ppl.

Holt disappoint me too, he gave up on power necro afaik, and I dont think he reaaaaly got into power reaper, I think the blighter boon nerf killed it for him though would love to be wrong. Even in his latest reaper video 90% of it is condi montage.

I only play power necro for about 1.5 years and since HoT I play with GS and shouts and almost only roam wvw either solo or by small group. Thing is I am not encountering reapers which are power like me or never seen somone streaming on power necro or have video on it. I know there is no much of wvw streamers out there, mostly because the new map, but it was bad before that too.

Anyhow sorry to drag this into your topic. Twas just me QQing.I know you play way way back and by no means I ment to disrespect you if that the impression I did in my first comment.

Wowowo you got it alll wrong my friend!
1) I never gave up on power reaper, it’s too awesome! I’ve just been inactive because of PC issues and vacation
2) The blighter’s boon nerf, wasn’t a nerf, but a buff! At least for me it was. I didn’t have any friends who would give me boons anyway, so now instead of 140hp per boon I heal 200hp per boon!
3) My first reaper video (since betas) were just some casual PvP clips, and condi reaper just does a lot better there. Power reaper doesn’t fare well against most meta specs >.>
4) Agree with you on how rare power reaper’s seem to have become. In my last 2/3 weeks of roaming I think I only met around 2 or 3 of them…
5) And to top this post of…. Posting my power necro video today

o/

Condi or go home!

5) And to top this post of…. Posting my power necro video today waiting for it!

Sandrox.9524:

Lynnie.7213:

Sandrox.9524:

Does no one skilled enough to play power necro ? I mean this vid is good and all but it just spamming condies and win. 0 effort. Like when I play condi necro and I feel i can play this only with bashing my head on keyboard and still win.. condi is just so freaking strong in wvw with all the buffs and runes and stats allowed.

Yeah, condis are strong right now but i play it ever since game launch, i think i only play power builds for pve and only on classes where the condi build is subpar. I am a condi lover, sorry to dissapoint you. >.<
You can check out Hollts for power build videos … if he haven’t converted to the Dark side, ofc.

Not that I disrespect you persey, I just dont get so excited seeing condi player rek ppl.

Holt disappoint me too, he gave up on power necro afaik, and I dont think he reaaaaly got into power reaper, I think the blighter boon nerf killed it for him though would love to be wrong. Even in his latest reaper video 90% of it is condi montage.

I only play power necro for about 1.5 years and since HoT I play with GS and shouts and almost only roam wvw either solo or by small group. Thing is I am not encountering reapers which are power like me or never seen somone streaming on power necro or have video on it. I know there is no much of wvw streamers out there, mostly because the new map, but it was bad before that too.

Anyhow sorry to drag this into your topic. Twas just me QQing.I know you play way way back and by no means I ment to disrespect you if that the impression I did in my first comment.

yeah, i understood, didn’t take as offense.

Azure.8670:

You know, I was taking a month break to catch up on single player games like xenoblade and such, but this made me log back in

Aw yes, nice to hear! \o/
Anet should pay me for rescue people back, just saying…

Sandrox.9524:

Does no one skilled enough to play power necro ? I mean this vid is good and all but it just spamming condies and win. 0 effort. Like when I play condi necro and I feel i can play this only with bashing my head on keyboard and still win.. condi is just so freaking strong in wvw with all the buffs and runes and stats allowed.

Yeah, condis are strong right now but i play it ever since game launch, i think i only play power builds for pve and only on classes where the condi build is subpar. I am a condi lover, sorry to dissapoint you. >.<
You can check out Hollts for power build videos … if he haven’t converted to the Dark side, ofc.

Thanks everyone, is nice to be back. I mean, i’ve never left, just took a break of WvW because you know … Anet …

Hello, eveyrone. Has been sometime i haven’t upload any wvw video, but here we go. Hopefull will be the first of many others, depending on Anet fixes for current WvW state.

Thanks for watching. <3

Spicy.2481:

As I’ve played both classes in spvp (reaper main, scrapper engi alt), I would say for you to best way to approach is just to kite him and pump out those conditions until he starts to blow his defensive cooldowns. If he gets the sneak gyro out try to just cleave it with reaper shroud+also u can try to predict his movement. The gyro will follow him quite closely and the stealth doesnt last too long after he leaves the aoe of sneak gyro/self destroys it/you destroy it. If you use warhorn and perplex runes in wvw like the old necro used to then try to interrupt him before he goes for burst combo or if he is low interrupt before he uses his healing skill/ some other defensive skill. They don’t have too much condicleanse, varying ofc on the build and dont have much ranged tools. (I don’t know actually what kind of build scrappers use in wvw but I assume it’s pretty similar to spvp-metabuild)

I think i’ll try your approach on this. By what i see they are running -20% condi duration food and hoelbrak runes. Idk about the rest.

Hey, guys. I am kinda rusty on my reaper, wvw wise. Since HoT release i don’t roam and trying to get the hang again, if/when i can find fights.
Anyway, this is not an excuse, but i wanted to ask how do we beat a power hammer whatever scrapper as condition reaper in wvw? It seems to counter me in every single aspect, unlike “old” engineers.
I load them with conditions, they go stealth gyro elite and i can’t dps that thing hard/fast enough to force him out of stealth. 10 seconds later he is out of stealth with 0 conditions on him and full hp … rise and repeat until i am dead. Fights usually take 2 minutes+.

So any tips from experienced players is very welcome! <3

Thanks, guys. Guess i’ll give scholars a go!

Hey, guys. I came here to ask what you guys think about rune of Ogre and Rune of Rage for revenants in pve? Which one is better as cheaper option compared to strenght?
PS.: I don’t like scholar runes because you raids/high lvl fractals you are never above 90% hp, at least not the majority of time.

Thanks for you time.

CratZII.5872:

It looks like I have to swap to another class for my guilds raid group. Necro has no utility that is helpful for the first boss and our DPS is not even close to what other classes can bring to the table. All we have is resilience with a hp pool and shroud. Sadly this does nothing to kill the boss faster or easier. I have no excuses to give my guild why they should allow me to play necro. It is quite sad when everyone else in the guild can play the classes they like while I’m forced to play classes I have no interest in to participate.

What have your experiences been.

I think you should revise your build and rotations. My dps is pretty good as condi reaper, tbh. Specially after phase 1 in VG where the boss is constantly moving, where all the others condi builds/classes lose performance, we doesn’t.

Knox.8962:

I haven’t seen anything that resembles reasonable math that shows power necro beating condi necro in a buffed DPS setting. The condi build ramps up slowly, but eventually passes the zerker builds when you have external might and vulnerability.

Solo or non-optimal group situations, the zerker is incredibly strong because it self buffs so well, but with an organized group, the condi build pulls ahead.

I learned one thing: don’t get caught in this power vs condi thing.

SoyMilk.4260:

I’m curious if anyone has tested (either actual or spreadsheet) the actual DPS loss from using Trailblazer’s gear vs Viper’s.

It seems to me that in a condi reaper build most of your damage comes from your conditions with only a small percentage coming from the direct damage of your skills and that using Trailblazer’s would be a HUGE survivability increase for a relatively small damage loss and I’m curious to know how much before I start crafting my gear.

I only see a reason to use trailblazer in WvW. For pve viper is just better. Even if just a smal percentage of your damage comes from power its already a boost. Now imagine in raid a 8 minutes fight the dps boost can’t be comparead to trailblazer’s loss.

And if you play a dhummfire build then viper is the right choice, because Shroud 1 scales well of power.

spoj.9672:

What Maxzero said about Death Nova jagged horror expiry must be true because when i was using the build you just linked (blood instead of death magic). I could get up to 12k bleeds just from Lich jagged horrors. But it was only when i started using death magic did i start to see huge spikes going above 13k. Without death 10k was consistent. With death magic 12k was consistent. So from my perspective there was a consistent 2k gain with the possibility of much large spikes when rotation went well for extended durations.

And this was all done on Sabetha. The builds probably not nearly as good on Gorseval or Vale Guardian. Simply because of less adds and those bosses move more.

Ima so trying death magic this week.

Odeezee.7362:

quick question for you condi Necros out there. what is the difference in DPS btwn Malice + Earth/Geomancy and Malice + Bursting as your sigils and which set up is the best overall in actual in-game settings? thanks

I use malice + Bursting. For earth/geomancy works you must be constantly attacking or swapping weapons on cooldown.

spoj.9672:

This is what i suspect is better:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBLRDbkh2QT1N2cDe3Gb4wxhxQNThY4FkdwHsBxfOAOAA-ThSFQB9T9nBpEEZWQAgTAAxU6pk9DaneBf9AASwBBohKDCAcAsbdjuBjP+4jP+4t7u7u7u7WKgFVWB-e

This is exactly what i used:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNBLRD7khGDNUdD2tJ4djxG4wBLFDm0HIE0Bi7hFxkYUAYAkAA-TBSFAB9r+DAnAAiV+p0+BtrHw3HAgVKBNeBBSBsoyK-e

You dont seem to get much extra poison out of rise + death nova. So probably better to just use CPC. Death Nova is still valuable as it spawns extra Jagged Horrors.

Why rise? As you said, CPC does more damage, imo.

Did you try and see if you get extra minions when red orb despawn by using death nova?

spoj.9672:

Lynnie.7213:

spoj.9672:

Ok so i havent tried double epidemic on Sabetha yet. But even without it that fight opens up the possibility for seriously broken damage. And this is from the ranged kiter who rarely gets buffs from the group.

I had 19k bleed ticks going on at times. Consistent 11-13k bleeds was easy to maintain. Then 1k chill, 2k torment, 3k poison and 3-4k burns (from jagged horrors + sun spirit).

But this is only possible on Sabetha because she doesnt move and jagged horrors stay alive. Any other fight jagged horrors would miss their attacks too frequently because of boss movement. Also we will lose the burn damage when they fix spirits.

I think is about time you share the build that achieves 19k bleed + others conditions.
Finally condi necro is getting love, man. I am really happy. \o/

Im actually considering dropping Reaper for it. The chill is only 1-1.5k and the sacrifices i made to get more bleeds reduced chill uptime. I suspect having tainted shackles and dark path will be more beneficial to the build.

Hmm could be a viable change. Tainted shackle should hit for like 300~400 per tick if target not moving? And Dark path hits for 400ish?

Aenesthesia.1697:

Has anyone tried bombing the vale guardian with 3 necros and epidemic? Bouncing epidemic between the boss and the seeker orbs, if possible, should be completely broken..

Even 2 necros should be able to deal enormous damage to the red guardian with this tactic…

I tested epidemic to see if i could kill red orbs so we don’t need so many push skills for them, but they do not die to my damage. They take the damage but the “health” isn’t affected. Idk if its intended or not …

Imo, if it was intended they should be receiving IMMUNE.

spoj.9672:

Ok so i havent tried double epidemic on Sabetha yet. But even without it that fight opens up the possibility for seriously broken damage. And this is from the ranged kiter who rarely gets buffs from the group.

I had 19k bleed ticks going on at times. Consistent 11-13k bleeds was easy to maintain. Then 1k chill, 2k torment, 3k poison and 3-4k burns (from jagged horrors + sun spirit).

But this is only possible on Sabetha because she doesnt move and jagged horrors stay alive. Any other fight jagged horrors would miss their attacks too frequently because of boss movement. Also we will lose the burn damage when they fix spirits.

I think is about time you share the build that achieves 19k bleed + others conditions.
Finally condi necro is getting love, man. I am really happy. \o/

Yes, reapers are being well accepted in raids, specially condition builds.
You can also fill the role of tank if you know what you doing, ofc.

Aesa.4819:

Lynnie.7213:

Quick question: does red seeker orbs death/despawn count for the trait Death nova, where you spawn jagged horror on enemy’s death? If it works will be huge! I’ll probably test it out tomorrow.

You get life force from them when they die at least, so I would assume they count as a unit? So that would mean it would spawn a jagged horror, right? I do not know for sure though, let us know about the outcome of your test

Yeah, it will spawn 1 jagger horror per enemy kill every 15 seconds. So in a 8 minutes fight you would get in the best scenario 32 extra minions. Oh man i don’t think it will work. lol

Quick question: does red seeker orbs death/despawn count for the trait Death nova, where you spawn jagged horror on enemy’s death? If it works will be huge! I’ll probably test it out tomorrow.

Altoid.9104:

It uses the necros, you are the new source so it uses your stats but it uses the time remaining as the duration.

What he said. If you get a druid with sun spirit out its just amazing.

Skoigoth.9238:

#CondiNecroMeta2015

Aw yes!

I knew it…i always believed! Now people will look it differently since a famous youtuber is talking on the subject! \o/

Simple: Increase dhummfire burn duration so we can get more stacks and be competitive in burning with burnzerk and tempest.

Tobias.8632:

Ktk.5107:

I think they pretty much already did.

All I see is spoj talking about some exploit he’s not sharing, and nemesis saying he got some average condi dps, specifically mentioning 5k bleed, the 40 second cooldown poison whirl burst, and 10 torment stacks which is consistently mediocre compared to a burnzerker.

Burnzerker is only excepcional if they can get the right positioning on scorched earth, which in a realistic scenario the chances to happen are fairly low.
I am pretty happy with my reaper dps in raid the other day. I may only go burn tempest for sabetha because i’ll be able to land all my fire fields without it move away.

Pretty cool initiative. I am really attempted to give a try, but i have soooo many stuffs to do already.

pdavis.8031:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vREQNAW7YnMbCN3glbCW3A0biliBTqoN0Oax7whYSMKAMASAA-TxRAABzobADlgfcBAA4JAImyPm2fIU1fIFwkitA-e

If you are going condi try this. It has high toughness, and high condi damage. The added toughness from Corrupter’s Fervor increases your condi damage with undead runes as well as Krait Tuning Crystals.

Also I would consider using epidemic as well to take care of any annoying adds. I am not sure about the raids, but I was able to hit 12k/tick burn, 8k/tick bleed, as well as 2-3k poison in DS. Epidemic is awesome!

12k burn + 8k bleed at same time? On your own?

Adjust.6903:

Ah yes forgot about your build just out of curiosity how well does that work for general note playing I.e. auric basic veterans. Going to test out your build and brazils and see how I feel. I believe he uses scepter in his also which is interesting.

I’m a huge fan of dots, played mostly affliction warlock in wow from vanilla to mop haha

It works really well in open world pve. I swap a few things out to better suit my needs. I’ll post a link here:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vREQNAW7dnMbCV3gtbCmbC0biFcBLuK+FHjUnh2Q0C6qFAaBA-TBiAQBQU9nrp8rL7DUgDCg6WYAAHBAAqZQSKBDAgAwEn4En4EnYpAgZZF-e

Since in open world pve you are facing multiples mobs at once most of times, i pick augury of death and spite line so i can be self-suficient.
I usually start the fight with 15+ might stacks and it quickly reachs 25 stacks with RS#1 attacks.

Adjust.6903:

Anyone able to post up some builds and gear recommendations for condi reaper? All I have access to this far is power builds lol :/ weapons, skillsw, traits, runes etc please!

Build + Guide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jPZiUmxJDk

Still working on a raid build, trying some stuffs, seeing what work and what doesn’t.

Rirgul.5302:

Just to add to Lynnie’s build, tiny modifications for slightly higher DPS. Same basic theory though. However Vipers gear is so god kitten expsensive that it’s a horrible pain to get. Use something cheaper if that’s an issue, like sinister or something. (But even that’s pretty expensive and time gated.)

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vREQNBLRD7khGo5Gs6GwcTgDHsUMYTrgZQMIuHOETiRBgBQCA-TRyXABzq6jeK/m7kAAw+ANuwwoaFo7BA6AwTNgaUCGAABgJWiTciTsUAwssC-e

Interesting change on heal skill. I am just afraid they’ll die to some aoe when i most need the heal. I’ll definitely try this tomorrow.
About the gear cost … get rich of die trying (8) lol

gavyne.6847:

From the guilds that try to run optimal setups, they prefer engies, revs, rangers, and wars when it comes to condi/dps. It is indeed kind of sad that this is like the dungeon meta all over again. I was really hoping that this time around with our new elite spec, that we wouldn’t have to settle for less than optimal.

Because the condi reaper raid meta haven’t been stabilished yet. i did like 4 hours of raiding yesterday and i did output more damage than my burn tempest on reaper. I couldn’t straight compare to engi/warr/ranger because i don’t have the gear for them, but i think i am close from the videos i watched at least. Not myself playing the classes, tho.

Morgan.5170:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vRAQNArYWnMbCN2gN3AG1As3glgBLeIuEjiUVhtwvKKBEAiAA-TxyBABSoEUalIA8EAKfhBFMBx8pAoF9Bcpcyo9BeW9nuUSQKgFVWB-e

This is what I’ve been running, not the best by any means, but I haven’t had survival issues. I stand just close enough to AA with shroud 1. I’ve been the last man standing many times. The main way to survive is to just stay alert to your surroundings.

Run the curse line if your condi, the condi duration should help a lot with your dps.

A shroud build? How it turns out to be? I wanted to try one but used scepter build first.
You have any ideas on your consistent dps and spike dmg? Maybe you can save me sometime or make me want play it right now.

You guys instead be happy that reaper is doing great in raids are argueing between power vs condi reaper.
And even using the “vaccum numbers” people say 25k dps…20k dps. That kitten ain’t happening and if it does happen will be for matter of seconds and then you are back to your 8~9k dps consistently.
And that dps meter… i saw the player keep seconds without hitting and the dps meter dropped like 300? Yeah, right …

Vigil.8205:

Greetings Fellow Nercos

My guild and I are trying to complete the raid and we are have dps issues for the second and third stage. For the group I’m my teams Condi source along with two other people. I’m trying to max out my condi damage while why still also having health and running reaper. My current build is: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vREQNBmWD7kZTo5GscTw6GgeTsgLYxVxu4Yk6M0GiWQXtAwBA-TRSAABYoE8jLAAoq/4sSEZ0NImyLAeCAMt/QHHEASBsoyK-e
How can I max out my condi output while not losing survivability?

Are you the party tanker? Because you toughness is high, more than usual.
About your build you have some choices there that doesn’t add anything to you or your raid benefit.
This is the build i used today and we were successful on vale guardian kill, my average dps was 11~13k with spikes to 17k tops.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vREQNBLRD7kZTo6Gs5GwcTgDHsUMYTJtZQMIuHOETiRBgBQCA-TByXABzq+jeK/m7kAAw+ANuwwo6Fo7BAUjSwAAIAMxJOxJOxJWKAYmDA-e

spoj.9672:

Yeah i tested lich and condi on Sabetha today. Im re-evaluating my opinion on condi Reaper. Its potentially very powerful. But i still wouldnt be so quick to say its better than power for the overall performance and dps in a fight.

Guys!!!!
We are turning Spoj to our team, the condi team. Let’s keep up the good work!
On a serious note, how was condi reaper on sabetha? I stopped at 2nd boss because my teammates ran out of time, it was late for them. So we going to try again during this week.