These builds seems interesting, but i really dislike Suffer shout, i think its not good enough. But i am open to ideas.
For those of you who have tried out the reaper, what are the advantages and disadvantages between the condi and power reaper builds? I’d like to start buying gear but I’d like more information first. I’m going to be doing a lot of WvW, small and large scale.
I played both builds and what i can tell you is entirely my own opinion. So others may have different opinions, okay?
Power reaper is strong, i think its even stronger than condition, damage wise. Its very tanky and sustain in SHroud, but outside shroud your defense is still low, so you’ll be taking lots of damage, specially if focused.
As condition reaper, you have the same tankiness in shroud and outside of shroud you keep tanky, different from power build. Your damage is slower but very consistent.
As condi reaper i was able to 1v4 sometimes in BWE2 and as power reaper i was able to kill people in 3 or 4 seconds.
So its up to you.
I have 2 videos about both builds gameplay here. Check it out:
Power: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nASz-dupk0M
Condition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBrM7mBzL-E
for the next beta try this pls
carrion dmg with 100% chill duration and 70% burning duration and tons of might stacking
you dont need much with 5 burning, 25 vulnerability, and nice direct dmg and poisons burst
burning will do 2k
chill will do 0.75k
dircet dmg will do 1-2k
Will try, but will only be able to test it in spvp, since Anet isn’t updating our beta banks.
It certainly looks good, but part of it is that people don’t know the animations yet. The number of people who just stood there attacking you while you RS5+4’d them was crazy.
Once people learn to see the RS 5 animation I feel like the kill rate is going to go way down.
Yeah, once they learn the animation will be tougher, but won’t change much tbh. If they dodge the Scythe, they won’t get stunned, but the chill will still be applied in an area, meaning they’ll take dmg no matter what.
And RS 4 you can just Fear > Rs 4 on top of them while feared.
Pls keep posting Videos, really nice fights and since the PU Mesmer cancer is so overwhelming in WvW nowadays it is really good to see necro roaming is not dead yet.
Thanks. Yeah, condi necro roaming is a bit rare to see, but is fun indeed.
Btw, new videos every wednesday and weekend.
Interesting Video, that fight against the two thiefes was hillarious. The only problem was i could hardly understand what you were saying. I know you are not a native english speaker but you should do something about your microphone. You really sound as you were recording in a tomb, fits the necromancer perfectly, but is a bit counterproductive for understandability
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Thanks, mate. Yeah those 2 thiefs kept ressing each other, was annoying… plus the Anet severs were lagging at that time, you can see my character get stuck sometimes.
Aw really? I thought my speeching was getting a lil better? at point i wouldn’t need subtitles anymore?
Yeah my microphone is not the best, tbh. >.<
lol, perplex dhuumfire deathly chill condition necro x) If only you could have added in curses there with terrror and weakening shroud the amount of condi’s would have been INSANE.
Great video, unfortunately I wasted all my time in PvP with reaper… T_T
That is what i want to go for. I’ll be THE AIDS!
I’ll try curses instead of spite next BWE. But i just love spite too much. >.<
Yeah, I dueled in in sPvP 1v1 rooms and even tried it out a bit myself (though while its worse again his build, I still prefer Blighter’s boon builds). I don’t understand the PVP-side hate for Deathly Chill. It’s a steady 2-3 burn ticks on top of something you want to be doing anyways. I found the trait to be fairly potent…
Deathly chill is really nice. Finally condi necro/reaper got some good stuffs.
I’m sold. The vulnerability stacking is real. Your rotation is great!
Thanks, man. I tried to call you for some duels but i notice TC was not on T1.
Hello, everyone, are you guys curious about how Condition Reaper turn out to be? You are about to discover it …
I myself, enjoyed it pretty much, can’t even touch my necro anymore. Anyways, watch it and see for yourself.
Also, there is a guide about my condi reaper build at end of video, check that out.
I liked the damage from deathly chill and dhuumfire too. It felt like entering reaper shroud and pressing 1 bursted down certain foes who weren’t cleansing fast enough. However, u really want to push for a buff to chilling nova. It isn’t where it should be yet. Feels too random.
Yeah, chilling nova felt weak on this BWE2.
You must have a good critical chance to make use of a trait with 10 sec ICD and the chill duration in it is not that great. I don’t like it, its just a place holder to me depending on what i am building for.
Did you feel that Deathly Chill was doing enough as is? I felt it was ok, but middling. It would be much more effective if the damage stacked along with the duration increases of the chill, but that might be OP as well?
I think Deathly Chill did just fine. 400~700 dmg per second on chill. Is like they can’t run, their skills have increase cooldown and they still taking damage.
But for sure the war has began between Deathly Chill and Blighter’s boon.
Man, we are fine. Eles have been beyond broken ever since launch. I used to 1v6~7 on my D/D Ele like 2 years ago, no jokes! We are just fine.
i didnt see condi reaper but yes its fun build with 4 burning stacks and chill dmg
to achieve 3k burning was hard as you need to have 25 might stacks 20 stack of vulnerability and 6 stacks of burningbut the pressure from both condi and direct dmg is nice 3-4k condi dmg (chill, poison, burning) and 1-2k direct dmg from AA
also i didnt see you use much gravedigger on the down as it spammable but maybe you cut those parts out. down ppl +reaper = death
So, you’ll see condi reaper this weekend on my channel. hehe
It’s pretty fun indeed. I achieved some 3k burning , but i think i didn’t use this clip in this video, but will use on a future video.
I definitely cut lots part out, tried to keep the video clean. But i indeed, spam gravedigger on downed people or spin to win with RS4.
OMG…reaper is awesome! lol
What was your favorite part on the condi spec?
Favorite is between Deathly Chill and Dhummfire.
500~700 chill dmg per second, almost permanent or 2~3k burn damage from dhummfire. THe auto atk on shroud finally pays out!
Nicely Done Donee,
good stuff!!!
Thanks, mate.
Ás good as I hoped DONEE, and boi do I love the choice of music u put in, fits the Video so perfect m8. Tnx and Keep em comming.
You’ll make me blush!
Yeah, everyone enjoyed this song but i didn’t. I just think its not my style, but does fit well. lol
I found it okayish in a minion build on top of vampirc aura, but that is it.
I never had this kind of fun in this game, so far. I didn’t expect it could get better than the first BWE, but it did.
Reaper is AMAZING and i think i am in love! Check this out…
Hell no, its a bad idea. ^^
I can even settle for a 25% degeneration decrease as baseline. And you still would have an option to go Soul Reaping and pick the other 25% from vital persistance. With this change you’d open more build variation, because let’s be honest, nobody pick the spectral skill trait because of vital persistance.
I agree with you, that vital persistence need some rework.
It made soul reaping mandatory for reapers, since reaper shroud is amazing and you want sit in that for sometime.
Soul reaping is not a bad trait line, has some good points, but i would rather take other stuffs.
This is not Reaper’s fault. Anet just have to fix their maps.
I really enjoyed the BWE, I think Reaper saw a lot of really nice improvements, and most importantly its obvious Gee is dedicated towards really ironing out our issues. At this point most of the changes are just numbers and QoL things, and that’s a really good place to be with another BWE waiting.
Agreed, mate. Finally some Dev is taking good care of us.
I still would change some little things like Chilling Nova ICD, CttB CD or increased utility and the RS #2 clunkyness. Shouts seems to work fine in large scale stuffs, just not meant to solo.
Now i can’t even play my necromancer again, Reaper is just better and fun.
I went out for a couple minutes to get myself a snack, uninterrupted hours playing made me hungry. When i came back, i couldn’t log-in my reaper.
Why?! Whyyyyyyyyyyy?! lol
Anyways, what you guys thought of Reaper in this BWE? Personally, i think it improved quite a bit.
#Reaperhype
Some cooldown reduction would be much welcome. The stability portion of skill i think its fine.
A 2 sec stun with chill elite on 90 sec cooldown is not so useful. Elites supposed to be game changing skill with high cd, for example: Rampage, Mass invisibility, etc …
Its probably going less distance cus you hit something and its not supposed to pass through stuff anymore. As for it not going where you want I guess now that u mention It I may have not gone where I wanted a couple times.
Either way it goes less far. And whether they changed the ability, or the ability gets stuck on irrelevant stuff (because it doesn’t travel full length on plain grass fields either) doesn’t matter. It lost range.
Yeah, it must be looked because its our only gap closer.
Its probably going less distance cus you hit something and its not supposed to pass through stuff anymore. As for it not going where you want I guess now that u mention It I may have not gone where I wanted a couple times.
I use it to roam around WvW map, without anything targeted. So it isn’t hitting anything on the way, the skill got clunky and glitched with the changes on this BWE.
Yeah, it get a bit clunky at end of animation, feeling you didn’t ran the entire range of it.
I think RS#2 is an okay gap closer. You cover 600 more range compared to Dark Path. But yeah, greatsword needs a gap closer, that skill 5 is not enough and high cd.
HOWEVER CttB not working underwater is a friggin issue. All other shouts work, but the elite one doesn’t? Come on, we only have plague under water. I know it is the same for minions, but CttB doesn’t need some fancy animations, it just needs to be like all the other shouts…
Yeah, that got me really disapointed. It should work underwater and you can even have an explanation, that you are freezing the water around you. No reason to make it unusuable underwater.
I’ve checked the damage reduction, its still there, you shouldn’t be taking extra damage, but melee vs ranged is actually a huge difference in residual damage taken.
The meele vs ranger thing, i agree. Because you take a good amount of time to gap closer and in meanwhile you are getting hit by them.
But i fought against the same warrior on my reaper and necro. And death shroud remain longer than reaper shroud. And was not the issue meele vs ranger, because was an axe/shield + Gs warrior.
Because with Death shroud you can kite and do more or less similar damage from range. Reaper Shroud does too little damage for being melee, does less DPS than greatsword, and its upkeep is tied to a a melee 3rd step autoattack.
Reaper Shroud is awful in PvE.
Is not about meele vs ranged. Is about if i get hit by same skill on DS i’ll lose less life force. At least that is the feeling. Didn’t made maths and stuff.
It does reduce damage, and I’m not having an issue with it at all, even in 1v2s I was more than capable of staying in Shroud for a decent period of time, and then it comes back up in not too long.
Only issue I really have with RS in general (not related to specific skills) is that since it is melee, and will generally deplete a bit faster due to that (though has way higher sustained potential) you are interrupted by leaving shroud too much. Depleting LF should be its own reward for getting to the Necromancers HP, it shouldn’t also allow you to interrupt their skills when almost all of them have a long cast/channel time. If it didn’t self interrupt that’s all I’d need from its end.
Idk, i am having big issues with it. 2 or 3 warriors hit and its gone. while in DS i can take up to 2 or 3 people.
Have anyone felt this? It seems reaper shroud is 3 times weaker than Death shroud and i don’t know how to explain this.
No way, I bought 6 pack runes just for this BWE.
i bought so many things, but the worst part is, that we won’t be able to test the things we have been thinking about for weeks, because of a silly mistake.
Same. You, Anet, need to copy our current banks. Because we have so much theorycrafting to test and that will help you out on feedback. If we get stuck with things from weeks ago, we will have the same impressions than before, so nearly no reason to have this beta weekend going on at all.
Please update it.
Man, the beta bank is from the BWE1. All theorycraft and hopes are gone.
I want a video with a female human saying “you are all weaklings.” I was going to buy the beta, but instead decided to buy a new phone.
I was just wondering if i would make a male or female human this time. Most probably female …
Lynnie, I would like to see how Reapers deal with ranged attacks like longbow Ranger or staff Ele who may opt to kite Reaper.
Also, look at performance against hard CC, evades, and high mobility.
I already fought against rangers in last beta and was fairly easy, tbh. Same drill than regular necro, in wvw at least. I just forgot to record the first 2 beta days back then. lol
But D/P thief was a pain to kill, the thief got nearly double wins compared me in duels.
i want to see a possible build utilizing greatsword and shoutheal and maybe 2 to 3 more shouts
Will try that, but most likely in Spvp.
Hi, guys. I am here to ask the ones who watch my videos and the others also. What you guys want to see about reaper, that i can show on upcoming videos next week?
Give me ideas about it. If there is something specific you want to see about this specialization, let me know and i’ll make my best to accomplish it.
Leave a comment if there is anything.
I’m finally on the forums!!!! yay!!! I laughed so much watching that vid Donee. I also liked how Holts forgot to turn off the sound on his version and you can hear all of you guys talking
Congrats and welcome to the forum!
Could you hear everyone’s voice or only hollts fat fingers smashing the keys? lolUhm excuse you, i have skinny fingers :< I just casually assault my keyboard, there is a big difference!
Yeah, will pretend i believe that.
I’m finally on the forums!!!! yay!!! I laughed so much watching that vid Donee. I also liked how Holts forgot to turn off the sound on his version and you can hear all of you guys talking
Congrats and welcome to the forum!
Could you hear everyone’s voice or only hollts fat fingers smashing the keys? lol
That bird hits like a truck and is tough as hell. Those runes are a good choice.
The bird is the “Suprise Mot********r minion”.lol
That skill still needs some tweak, even with upcoming changes it will not be enough.
90 sec cd on a stun with 1 secondish cast. Flesh Golem is better than that and both are telegraphed.
The only thing that would make me pick CttB is the chill, that is a soft cc with dmg on top of that, because of trait(we don’t know if it will pay off yet).
I think i am more than fine if they reduce the cd to 60 seconds and proportional reduce chill duration as well. Otherwise just go Flesh Golem or Reaper of Grenth.
I don’t think the skill itself is weak, but could use some tweaks. Like make it a blast finisher for obvious reasons. The animation looks like a blast finisher already.
Make it 2 sec fear unblockable isntead of daze. Fear suits more necro theme and is a better use of Terror trait.
very nice video.
I have a couple of questions though. Have you tried with rune of speed? you don’t loose much power and you gain the movement speed.
Are minions ok for PvP and WvW? Is it convenient having them hanging around all the time or should them be cast when in battle?
Thanks, mate.
I haven’t tried rune of speed, tbh. I really enjoy the pirateer runes because of the AoE buffs and the extra “minion”.
Minions are awesome in Spvp. WvW not so much, they die easily to aoe’s and wvw area is so big, that in a fight minions won’t be optimal.
Have them around all the time. Except the flesh wurm if you choose to take this. Only place it when you know a fight is about to happen. And place it on a position that it still contributes to the fight but in a nice direction for an escape.
Hahaha I’m prolly younger than you tho :P And thanks for the ego boost, had a kitten day and now it’s somewhat less kittenty <3
I’ve never thought about this, but on today’s video i heard your voice and started to wonder … how old are you?
k don’t tell anyone but im 16 :< I’m the youngest person I know in game X) Your turn!
kitten ! Would never guess that.
I am awesome 27!
