Guild Wars 2

Sort of the same Rouven, i find myself going back to my Elemental more often now – mainly just because it’s a lot more fun and active than my GS Guardian.

I still play my Guardian, but since the change i just find it a bit dull and nowhere near as active as it once was (the GS was IMO the best active Guardian weapon).

Be sure to half the cooldown on the skill with the 50% reduction in boon duration .

Do that and i’ll be OK with it.

To this day i still think they simply need to swap both Focus skills to the Shield and both Shield skills to the Focus, no changes in skills etc – just a strait swap.

The Shield would then have a regen, blind, damage & condition cure on skill 4, and a BLOCK! that BLOCKS! the next 3 attacks or damages nearby foes if it doesn’t on skill 5.
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Now before anyone states “but that would be OP” (yes i actully got that said to me before when i suggested it) – we can already do this by using the Focus. I just think the Focus skills suit the Shield so much better (you know, as it actully BLOCKS!).

It would (or perhaps, should) be such as easy change to do aswell, as no skills get adjusted as they are only swapped to a different weapon set.

Wait, there is practive classes in the mists? – i only knew about the bots that just stand there.

/goes to mists.

All i know of is the general 1st 5 points going to Virtues (for Inspired Virtue) – that seems pretty popular, after that it’s pretty much do what you want.

You sure you tested it correctly?, i tested it a few times and every time the increase was only 25%, with my test i went from 104 to 130 (exactly 25%).

Without the trait the Virtue states 96 on the button and with the health popups onscreen it shows 104. With the trait the Virtue button states 259 andf yet the health popups onscreen show 130.

In every case no matter what, it’s always a 25% increase with the trait.
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Your also working it out wrong if your level 80 as the base heal for the Virtue is 84Hps with the default healing power, so at level 80 at a minimum you’ll get 252 health every 3 seconds.

Official page that shows the base heal at 80 and how much it goes up per second with the trait.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Virtue_of_Resolve
And the trait page showing it stating the increase is 25%.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Absolute_Resolution

@ElSdE.3215

huh? no way iam at 318 with it on when i take it off i got down to 159 you are wrong sir.

That’s just a UI error matey, it only adds around 25%. extra Hps (as the official wiki page states).

Just test it (i just did), take some damage and watch with the trait on and then with the trait changed to something else, it will only be about 25% higher with it on (for you i’d say just over 200Hps).

For some reason the amount stated in the vitue is wrong (by quite an amount).

Man, i just started leveling my Elemental again (finally l80 on my guardian), my god at all the bugs that are still waiting to be fixed. I really have to wonder, if even half of the skills posted got fixed would the class truely be UP in general? (or perhaps even a bit OP!).
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It’s the simple ones that get me (or should i say the ones that look simple), the 2 criticals instead of 5 from Arcane power, burning retreat only lasting 4 seconds and not 6 etc – basically all the ones that are just different in timings/numbers. How have at least these not been fixed in all this time?.

Anyways, great list now Rainshine- it looks like nearly all skills are bugged in some way or another .

I really think when all is said and done if some people have their way (the people trying to get every class/build they can’t deal with nerfed), the PvP will end up with everyone as full DPS glass cannon builds because it’s “fair”.

@Vizier, yeah that confuses me a bit aswell.

You’d expect the armor designed for the actual race to look the best on it in terms of clipping.

I fail to see how it’s pedantic to request why a change was done when the patch explained one thing and did another.

It is significant when it changed multiple things the patch made no mention of – it’s not a small discrepancy.

@Obtena.7952.
When a patch states 1 thing and does another, i’m sorry but i recon that does require at least some response when a large number of people ask why it happened and for what reason.

Basically – when a patch states it’s going to do something and it does something else instead, it deserves a response as to why.
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As for realistic expectations.
On day 1 of the patch a thread appeared in the ranger forum asking “is the 40ms change correct?”, within the 1st day (within minutes i think) it got a response and then it actully got internal testing by Anet and then another response explaining how the chnage was correct.
On the same day (and for days after) guardians asked “why was this done, the patch states retaliation BUT it didn’t change that and instead changed xxx” and after 10 days not a single response by anyonee from Anet.

If rangers can get a response within minutes for that then it’s not unrealistic to expect a reponse withing 10 days for this.

Kasei.8726:

Unless you PvP, then they’re everywhere. ;P

True, hmm – then engineers (i don’t see them much).

How does it not matter?, your saying based on your experience the guardian is the most played class, but according to Anet it’s not the case.

All i was saying was, sure you may notice more, but it’s not actully true.
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Anyways, enjoy whatever class you have moved to, i’d suggest mesmer as they are the least played class.

Tortoished.7986:

Lol…“I don’t agree with you so you must be trolling.” Ok guy, whatever you say.

That makes no sence, you asked had i read your post as it was based on what you had seen, i stated that sure you may have noticed more (based on what you have seen) but that Anet stats show it’s not the actual case.

So i actully agreed with you (that it was based on what you had seen), but you deleted that part of my post and then insulted me for some reason.

I did read your post, did you read mine? – because you simply deleted the parts where i stated that based on your experience you may have noticed more.

This part “sure you may notice more of us but that doesn’t mean there is actully more of us”.

It’s quite clear that you are intentionally trolling for an argument now, so i’ll leave it at that.

But there is no overwhelming population of this single proffesion and Anets own official statistics show this – sure you may notice more of us but that doesn’t mean there is actully more of us.

You also say “so many idiotic replies” and we are looking for “something to argue about”, yet i can’t see any idiotic replies and your the only person being insulting and argumentative.

What i recon has happend (just a guess) is someone reported it as racist and and whoever reviewed it simply spotted “black” and decided it needed a name change, you see unless the person who forced the name change actully had context to see what it actully ment (basically seen the charcater as a black haired mesmer with an afro) then they’d have no idea.

I’d deffinatly file a dispute (is that even possible?) because that certainly IMO is not worthy of a forcefull name change at all. I mean would it have gotten changed if it was green afro mesmer or brown combover elemental?, we are talking about a hair color after all.

According to the stats released by Anet (trying to find them) last month, the guardian isn’t the most played class (maybe different now).

The guardian is the joint 4th most played class (with the theif), the warror/ranger and elemental all have more players using them.

I’m not gonna provide vid proof as well it isn’t possible now seeing as the change is done – i mean how exactly am i ment to do 2 exact same tests when i have no access to the original setup anymore?. Also in this case no vid is needed, it’s very clear what the patch did in terms of symbols and the symbol traits so why on earth would a test even be needed?.

It’s been clearly shown in multiple threads what the issue is and what the patch stated it was supposed to be doing – you just seem to be ignoring it all for some reason and instead just calling people names and telling them they are QQ/Whining.

Indeed it is annoying, to me this is getting as annoying as gold emails as i’m being spammed with invites.

There really needs to be an option to “auto decline” guild invites – if i want to join a guild i’ll ask to join one.

I see mine as more of a yoda style jedi, small fast and all over the place using mystic forces while in combat, swap my daggers for small light sabres (or small glowing daggers) and i’d be a very happy jedi/i mean Elemental .

Am i the only one who thought of Yoda in epsiode 2/3 when they 1st saw a tiny asura jumping all over the place in combat?.

Seeing my 1st dragon, unlike some i made sure to not watch/read anything related to them, so i had no idea what they looked like, the zones they appeared in or the location within the zone.

So i was just wandering around a zone doing some DE/Hearts and all of a sudden a ROAR!!!, next thing i know a dragon lands right beside me and i was like “OMG!!!” – it was great.

It’s the same thing i’m doing with the halloween event, i have no idea about any of it and am avoiding all things about it.

A nice simple “AHHHHHHHHHHHH” would be perfect, your either screaming at the enemy or screaming because of the enemy .

It’s not fair jack, at the start of my Asura i went ingame 1st to check out the npc names and decided to name mine in similar fashion (1 name, starting with things like z etc) and in the end i went with “Zilori” (i think it sounds quite Asurian).

However, after reading that i really want “Zilori the Insufferable”.

I think i maybe tempted to pay some gems when the rename option comes out .

Yeah it’s kinda shocking that this is still like this after so long, it was like this in the beta – i mean surely it can’t be that hard to fix the text size can it?.

I like to use the small interface, yet i have to switch back to the normal one everytime i want to use the TP.

Wrong thread Reihert, this thread isn’t about the nerf, it’s about the lack of a response to all the complaints on the nerf.

You may have expected the nerf, but that’s not the point of this thread.

dchsknight.3042:

I dont understand how this is a nerf at all…

Read the thread, it’s been explained a number of times how.

Or here is a good breakdown.

The stated goal of the Greatsword nerf was essentially to nerf Retaliation builds. So, in order to nerf Retaliation builds the following changes were made to the Greatsword:

GS #2 Whirling Wrath: No change, still a 10sec Cooldown
GS #3 Leap of Faith: Cooldown down to 15secs from 20secs
GS #4 Symbol of Wrath: Doubled Cooldown from 10secs to 20secs

Whilst a lot of Guardians am mildly miffed at the rearrangement of the skill order following these changes (as weapon skills are organized in order of Cooldown on your hotbar), that is NOT the complaint.

THE PROBLEM IS HERE.

The nerf to Symbol of Wrath on the Greatsword did NOT nerf Retaliation builds as intended. The nerf to Symbol of Wrath on the Greatsword did nerf SEVERAL OTHER builds that utilized that symbol.

Breakdown of Negative Effects.

Symbol of Wrath was previously on a 10 second cooldown, exactly the same as Whirling Wrath. This allowed a Greatsword Guardian to branch into several builds and varying combat options.

If you wanted to deal a hefty amount of AoE damage, then the Greatsword was your go-to weapon. Between the Symbol of Wrath and Whirling Wrath the Greatsword let the Guardian be an AoE damage-dealing machine. This simply isn’t possible like it was before, as a Guardian simply cannot get the same damage output in the same time-frame thanks to the increased cooldown.

This isn’t only about the loss of damage though. The Greatsword also provided BUILD DIVERSITY/VERSATILITY by having a symbol in it’s weapon skillset and some synergy in the Zeal trait line. Unfortunately, all symbol-based trait builds that utilized the Greatsword took a huge and UNNECESSARY hit this patch:

1. If you wanted to use the Symbol of Wrath as a large AoE (by traiting for increased radius) in conjuction with other Guardian AoE’s (such as Purging Flames) for great AoE damage, you could do that.

2. If you wanted to use the Symbol of Wrath to heal yourself/allies (by traiting for symbol healing) and thus provide AoE support, you could do that.

3. If you wanted to use the Symbol of Wrath primarily as a damage-dealer and way to
apply Vulnerability, you could do that (by traiting into the Zeal line).

4. If you wanted to use the Symbol of Wrath to chain with other weapon Symbols you could do so readily, as the Greatsword symbol had a cooldown that would typically be ready to go on weapon-swap if you cycled between a Mace or a Staff as your other symbol weapon.

5. Basically, the Greatsword previously had a reliable AoE symbol that would be up every fight, would help with your damage output, could catch many enemies in it (if you traited for increased symbol radius), could heal yourself and allies (if you traited for symbol healing), could apply Vulnerability to foes (if you traited for that via the Zeal line), could do increased damage (again, if you traited high enough into the Zeal line), and could be chained or used in tandem with other symbols very readily.

Yeah, the Greatsword can still do those things…but now it’s every 20 seconds. In the meantime, you’re practically stuck spinning with Whirling Wrath, using Leap of Faith 5 seconds sooner than you previously would, and then auto-attacking the rest of the time while you wait for the now abhorrent cooldowns of the Greatsword’s main damage-dealing skills.

Closing/Summary.

The Greatsword gave build variety and versatility. With this unnecessary nerf the Greatsword has become only a tool for finishers, and the symbol synergy it did have has been so severely hit that it’s simply not worth using the Greatsword in any symbol/AoE builds anymore. Yeah, it CAN still be done…but it’s nowhere near as fun or as effective as it used to be, and there is no reason for it to be the way it is now (especially since the nerf was supposed to be to perma-Retaliation builds!).

If Retaliation builds REALLY were the intended target, then work on Retaliation.

There is NO reason for the Symbol of Wrath cooldown to be THAT high. The nerf to the Greatsword has put a huge dent in the build variety and versatility it had previously, as well as hitting the damage and AoE ability of the weapon by more than any reasonable amount. On top of that, many symbol-boosting traits simply do NOT benefit the Greatsword like they used to, and this is a huge problem considering the Greatsword has a symbol in it’s skillset, and that the main trait line that boosts offensive symbol usage (Zeal) is tied to/provides traits to encourage Greatsword usage!

If the Symbol giving Retaliation is the problem, then simply make it give Fury or Might instead!, I cannot believe that ArenaNet went through with this change without considering any of the ramifications it would have on other builds involving the Greatsword.

It’s quite simple.

You buy a token/karma item and you get 30 mintues to sell it back for the same amount, if you equip the item or the timer runs out your stuck with it. That’s how it is in Rift and i think WoW (but with 2 hrs on the timer).

It matters not if the player is at fault for the purchase or it’s Anets system that messed up, this sort of thing should really be put in as a safe guard considering how much some things cost.

In PvE i stuck with everything Pow/Toug/Prec throughout leveling and use a 10/15/10/20/15 build with the GS (it used to be different but changed due to the recent patch).

http://gw2.luna-atra.fr/skills_tool/?lang=en&code=3a70009c9h9g8n9f00afakf6g6r797o81ip

In PvP i keep the same build and swap to Pow/Vit/Prec instead.
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With the traits i just went with what gave the best benefits 1st and worked my way up, i still haven’t found a reason to buy the 30 points book yet.

Ohh god yes, i try to keep track of the time on them via the cooldown on the big attacks, but i’d love an actual cooldown timer on the weapon.

Yeah it’s been like this since a few patches back (one of the patches broke it), the 1st time i was in the zone it worked fine, then a few patches later i was in it again with a new class and it just has no animation at all.

It’s like a toy being moved around, the model is always the same as per the picture and it just slides around the place and just looks weird,

Finally, our class is not defined from a single weapon or a single build. We have lots of them, i like and use them all. Everyone of us has her preference, of course, but sticking with an outdated build because “it worked well and i want it back” is not constructive for our class at all.

The classes are defined by the choice of multiple weapons across multiple builds, and the 7/10 patch ruined a number of builds for 1 of those weapons.

What you people are saying is, it’s perfectly fine for Anet to ruin a number of builds on a weapon because we can use a different weapon with the same build or use the same weapon with different builds – sorry but that really isn’t a good thing.

Just accepting the change isn’t constructive at all, offereing suggestions to make the change better so the old builds work again is (which has been done a number for times).

Ahh well i guess, seems it’s just not that important – shame really as it shows that in the end Anet can ruin multiple builds in 1 patch (that didn’t even state anything about them) and not say a thing about it.

Remember people defending this, if a patch comes along that ruins your favorite builds that you’ll get the same treatment as we have.
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I like your game Anet but i really have to say, they way in which you have handled this situation (so many complaints across multiple threads) has been quite shocking.

Well put Bastion.

@ Humor:
The very 1st line of the 1st post states he/she knows that.

What they (and me) want is a way to make it always stay unsheathed and for it not to just go back to being sheathed within a number of seconds.

SyntaxKid.5896:

EDIT: Sadface he deleted his post

Deleted it due to deciding to not want to get into antother warrior OP/UP thread – you posted while i was removing it.

Ohh god, you didn’t!.

Really?.

It’s annoying me sure (so much that i’ve hardly played in the past few days), but i don’t think i could ever delete my guardian just incase they fix what they broke.

There will be – and it will have the guardian GS symbol changed back and it will be GLORIOUS!. There will be people dancing in the streets, people singing songs and i will find £50 aswell .

Serioulsy though, i really hope there will be a patch before the 22nd (and that it reverts the GS symbol).

Anyone else think most of the Guardian weapons are a bit boring?.
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Well due to the recent GS change and no longer liking how much time i spend auto attacking and how it feels with my fav builds i decided to switch weapons. Here’s the thing though, after trying them all out i just find them all rather boring.

Now during leveling i pretty much stuck with a GS/Scepter:Focus combo and didn’t really use anything else, now however i’ve tried the Hammer, Mace, Staff, Shield, Torch etc and my god, they’re all so boring to use in PvE (haven’t tried them in PvP yet).

Honestly i’m a bit surprised by this, does anyone else find the Guardian weapons all a bit boring?.
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Please don’t take this as an attack to the Guardian class (i love my Asura Guardian) or just as some troll post, i’m being totaly honest here and am wondering if others feel the same.

@Lumines, so we should just accept it?, you may say it’s a minor nerf at best, but it’s not, not by a long shot – and no way should people “just get over it”. They stated they wanted to change 1 thing (ret builds) and ended up changing other things instead (symbol/spirit weapon GS builds etc) and pratically made certain builds not worth taking with the GS.

Taking symbol builds that use the GS from a symbol every 10 seconds to every 20 seconds isn’t minor, it’s a 100% increase in cooldown – that isn’t minor at all (and no the 5 second reduction to leap doesn’t make the patch better for symbol builds).

And actully the most minor reason to be upset is the re-arrangment, it’s annoying yes BUT it nowhere near as bad as what they did to certain builds as that was just a placement issue and NOT an actual ruining builds issue.
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I’m glad you still like the class as it is now, but just because you do does not mean that the people who aren’t should just get over it. I spend a lot of time and effort on my guardian and spend a lot of karma/gold on my GS, and i’m not happy that they pretty much ruined my fav build using it (for no good reason) – so i will complain about the issue.

Amins.3710:

Being able to go condition free 100% of the time is OP.

Please stop the whining.

Do you even know what people are complaining about?, read up on the numerous well explained threads on the actual issues.

tom.7468:

go check out 1:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_FskSWHLgE&feature=relmfu
now most damage from greatsword come from autoattack thanks for the pointless nerf.
“we dont want players to grind” … yes you do

“I swung a sword, i swung a sword again, hey i swung it again”, yep that does actully sound a lot like the guardian GS now (and actully very much like the hammer in PvE).

Yeah, a new week and some new hope in a response to any of the GS Symbol threads.

When standing still and not in combat, i’m in.

@Mattius.

Erm no it didn’t, it had hardly any effect (if any at all) on the upkeep of ret builds – infact if anything it moved people over to higher upkeep builds (by switching to hammer).

And no, they haven’t actully replied to us with a “get used to it” response, infact they haven’t actully replied to us with any response.
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I see you post that this is “a minor nerf” quite often (now somehow a very minor nerf), yet it’s been shown time and time again that it wasn’t, and it’s been quite clearly explained across a number of threads at how it actully affected a number of builds that didn’t include retaliation.

How taking a heavy symbol build using the GS from 10 seconds every symbol to 20 seconds every symbol is “very minor” just makes no sence at all, it literally DOUBLES the cooldown (that isn’t minor). I’d understand you saying minor if it was from 1 to 2 seconds, but from 10 to 20 seconds – you’ve got to be joking.

I hate the team colors and it goes against one of the things that is part of the sPvP – cosmetic armor collecting.

I mean you spend time earning ranks to unlock nicer looking armor and spend time using salvaging kits etc to try and get that cool armor you’ve wanted, and for what? – because as soon as you join a match it’s all blue or red and looks horrid.

It’s one of those weird design choices IMO, competative games for years have worked just fine with colored names (or similar) to easily make out friend from foe, so it makes no sence at all to do this.

They should make it normal (your chosen dye) in sPvP, and then maybe only RvB in proper payed PvP (and even this is pushing it).
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I haven’t played much sPvP and yet the only things i’m actully trying to get are the custom weapon skins, i’m not bothering at all with the armor as there is no point at all with this RvB armor system.

Anyways, new week tomorrow and hopefully a response from Anet – perhaps it was a bit silly to make the thread on a Friday/Weekend.

Agreed, it’s not neseccery to have RP servers (despite some people wanting them), but there should at least be a RP forum section for all the RP people to post.

It’s the same performance as Windows 7/Vista, because the main PC side of the OS (desktop etc) is basically Windows 7/Vista. So if a game runs well on Windows 7/Vista chances are the performance will be exactly the same on Windows 8.