That’s actully a very good point (didn’t even think of that issue). Agreed, if the duration is going to be halfed in PvP then surely all conditions you collect should be half the duration aswell.
I think i’m finally done on my looks for now, i’ve got all the armor/weapon skins i want aswell as the dyes (if i remember, white gold, cobalt, blood and some afternoon & ancient silver). I still plan to get the cultural weapon skins for the other weapons i sometimes use.
I love the Asura cultural stuff, it’s just a shame you can’t dye the purple glow on the weapons (i really want it blue for Guardian).
Wonder when the new change goes in (for the use of BL items to get halloween items)?, i have no bank space left and it’s a hassle to have to log into my other charcater to access all the stuff i had to move around to make room.
i have some solutions for this…
2)no change on Sow damage or boons (based on damage before the 22\10 patch)
CD 15 sec
so if before the 7\10 patch we had cd like (1-10-10-20-30)
with this modification we have (1-10-15-15-30)
and i think this is still a good compromise.
This is exactly what would have worked best, the 5 seconds extra cooldown on SoW compensated by the 5 seconds reduction on leap (i’d maybe even be ok with 18 seconds cooldown on leap).
Thinking about it, it would work quite well as unlike my suggestion (to just change the buff given) it’s a simple cooldown change only. Doing this would mean all the traits it affected wouldn’t be as bad (i honestly think they’ve forgot about all the GS traits in the symbol trait line).
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Ahh well, it won’t happen as we got our token rebuff on SoW (10% extra damage).
Wow due to the new update i had a look at what i got. 100 mystery tonics, loads of each booster (around 5 of each kind), 3 sets of each gathering tools, 3 stacks of BL salvage kits and 25 fine tranforming stones (these i’m actully ok with as i would use them).
Let me put all but the last one (the stones) in the forge for a weapon skin or 2 and i’ll be happy .
Interesting, so we could say convert all our BL tools etc and boosters to halloween stuff? (that’s basically mostly what i got from the chests – loads of tools/boosters).
If this is the case, interesting – very interesting. Just please make sure the amounts required suit what you can get.
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How do you use a bunch of Karma and experience boosters to get halloween items?
Maybe they’ll give a vendor who gives out a set amount of tokens for each type of item (1 for a set of tool, 2 for a booster etc) and then you can convert 5 tokens for a 1hd weapon/armor skin and 10 tokens for a 2nd weapon skin (just a guess).
Or perhaps, drop x BL tools and Y BL boosters to get Z Halloween weapon in the forge.
We’ve already had the perfect suggestion on SY – base 5 seconds with +1 second for every condition collected up to an extra 5 seconds.
You use it and have no conditions you get the new version (5 seconds), you collect 5 conditions you get the old version (10 seconds), simple and effective (works solo with a minor amount, works in a group with a larger amount). I’d even be happy with this made universal (for PvE, PvP and WvWvW) with this change.
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I have a feeling that hammer will be next, considering how often you get the Symbol and can Mighty Blow it for retaliation i expect MB to get double the cooldown. I’m not kidding, after what happened to the GS i actully can picture this happening.
It is live, it worked fine for me earlier when i went in to get my monthly 50 WvWvW kills.
So many times i have gotten out of dodge using this today, pop all my vitues and hit retreat (or SY – depending on my build) for the speed boost (and curing a condition – i use soilder runes), then pop Renewed Focus and run like like the wind out of the fight area.
Hurrah, got a key in a drop (wow!!!), boo it gave me nothing halloweeny .
Seems like Anet have just given up on the topic, we got a response 16 hours ago and nothing since. Lesson learned i guess, no more purchasing keys via gold or cash.
1st remove retaliation from combos (no more weapon retaliation), next swap the trait from +25% duration to +X extra retaliation damage, put the GS back how it was (cooldowns), put the signets retaliation back the way it was (make the boon increase work again), perhaps even make the traits that add retaliation on blocking give 5s of something else instead (protection/regeneration etc), do the +1 second SY duration idea (starts at 5 seconds, gets +1 second for each condition you collect up to a max of an extra 5 seconds).
There ya go, retaliation that can only get gotten by skills (activly) and the duration is shorter and no more passive retaliation.
I like the suggestion of a +1sec based on the liched conditions.
+1 from me
Yeah it actully makes a lot of sense. However judging by the GS symbol complaints and Anets lack of reponse to them and what we got in the end (a 10% damage increase to make up for the 100% increase in cooldown), i honestly don’t think this +1 second per condiditon will ever be added.
It’s a shame that we didn’t know what was coming to suggest it before hand, i would actully be happy for it to be this way in PVE aswell.
I’m still surprised after these patches (more so this big one) that they couldn’t simply increase the orb speed by say 25% and reduce the damage on each orb by a percentage (to keep the DPS the same).
It shouldn’t be hard (or at least i wouldn’t expect it to be).
They could even have adjusted the scepter trait to also make the range 1200.
Perhaps it starts at a base of 5 seconds and for each condition you collect you gain 1 second up to a max of 5 extra seconds. As such you get the best of both worlds, you can get 5 seconds of all the buffs with no conditions and 10 seconds worth of buffs if you collect 5 or more conditions.
Question, was the heal on it kept at the same level in PVP? – what i mean is, in PvE mine will do 1800+ over the 10 seconds, has that to been halfed to 900 over 5 seconds?.
If it has been halfed, surely that part at least should have remained the same.
What surprised me most of all, is how bad the chest drops are without the skins.
I mean i heard they were bad, but the only thing i got of use was the fine tranforming stones and i could have gotten the same amount for less than half the gem cost i spent on keys!. Sure i got some gathering tools, but i already have the best ones and these BL ones take up so much space (i had to cram the lot on another character to get my inventory/bank space back).
Even without the skins, i’m actully shocked that these chests give out so little for costing so much.
I do actully have to agree with blue a bit on this in some part, i should have stopped at the 1st tem keys i purchased when they returned zero halloween drops.
I’m not happy with the drop rate at all (total of around 30 keys got me 1 drop using the last 5 keys i got- the dagger ), considering the costs involved (be it cash, or gold) it’s really not good enough. But in saying that i really should have stopped at the 1st ten as it was clear from then the drop rate was terrible.
Will they ever be able to do something simular starting on the same base of player trust?
You seem to say they will, I say they won’t be able to.
Only speaking for myself here, but i certainly won’t be buying any keys ever again from the gem store after today (during any event or otherwise) – not unless Anet do something to make up for things.
Love the new version, 3 seconds of invincibilty on tap while on the move and a reset of all virtues = NICE (now to get it so we can attack during the invincibilty ).
Yeah i’m with a lot of others here, i spend all my gold on a bunch of keys in the hope to get a nice skin and with the 1 key i already had from the story quest i got 1, yet from the 20 i actully bought i got none.
20 purhased keys and not a single 1!, sorry Anet but that is just wrong. In cash terms that’s almost £20 worth of gems.
A couple of weeks ago i’d LOL, now i just have to say be quiet and don’t give them any ideas. 1 thread suggested the 50% save yourselfs nerf and it had less than 30 posts (hardly any of which that thought it was a good idea) in it before the patch.
This is getting a bit of joke now, every patch i think we should expect a massive change to a skill and on the next patch a small change to make up for it (100% iucrease in SoW cooldown = 10% increase in damage).
So only guardians have a skill that has a different effectin PVP and PVE?, why on earth is that!?.
I honestly don’t understand Anet in regards to how heavy handed they are with regards to certain things, it’s not a small bit here and a small bit there – it’s a 10 seconds here and 50% there.
Anet really seem to have it in for Guardians for some reason.
Just a little tip for the future. If your game doesn’t d/l and install an update prior to ANY event, don’t expect stuff from the event to be available. Common sense really.
If the stuff isn’t available ingame yet then don’t have it advertised on the ingame gem store!.
I’m not sure what you mean, the thread title and link is about non halloween updates and it was moved the to the halloween event section. So how is me reading the title of the forum (halloween event) going to change what i asked (why a NON halloween update thread has been moved here)?.
Level 80 – 46 silver (i’m not joking) with 1 exotic and it’s just a base version, i swear i have the worst luck with regards to drops etc. A lot of my money is going on the waypoints for the story quest which i only recently started to do.
I’m open to donations (or someone to chase me with a pitchfork to speed me up ).
The tooltip has been bugged since day 1 and is infact the incorrect one, no matter what the AR trait will only increase the passive heal by 25%.
The AR trait is mainly for the 3 condition removal, the 25% bonus to the passive heal is just a small bonus.
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So if you have 150 without AR you’d get 187.5 with it, if you get 200 without AR you’d get 250 with it (and so on).
Great post, it’s why i decided to go half and half on the Vitality/Toughness on my build. With more toughness you get better healing but with more Vitality you get better condition protection – going with half and half gives an equal bit of both.
@devi – Have you not read the thread?, the patch isn’t releasing at noon PST (which would have been 8pm GMT), it’s getting released at 5pm PST (which is 1am GMT).
Agreed, it would have been much better for more (not all, just more) people if it had been set to release around 5 hours earlier, this way it’s at 12pm Pacific and and 8pm GMT (even 1pm/9pm or perhaps 2pm/10pm would have been decent).
That’s much better than 5pm Pacific and and 1am GMT.
lol, there is no bug. They are using abilities, learn the other profession before calling bug. Guardians are fine.
^ I enjoyed how he now has no argument after A-net came into play.
Yeah i enjoyed how he basically admited after the Anet response and after someone actully explained (which would have helped in the opening post) what the issue was in a bit clearer detail, that he was wrong.
That’s the catch, i’d be quiet (well a bit quieter) if they just said “well, the symbol was way OP, it had nothing to do with retaliation at all. Using our stats it showed symbol builds using the GS where just far to OP to be left that way (and we plan to fix the Zeal trait line with regards to GS traits at a later time)”
Instead we have some players (not Anet) stating it was so OP despite no one every really saying it was (on any class or pvp section), and despite the fact the notes from Anet state something completely different.
A perma symbol using SoW?, it had the 2nd longest cooldown of all the symbols on weapons before the nerf, it was never possible to use the SoW to have a perma symbol.
It broke 1 build?, it’s been clearly show time and time again it hurt more than 1 build.
It was clearly OP?, yeah a symbol that can be put down at best every 8 seconds (with 20 points in a trait line) was clearly OP (yeah right). If it was for that reason you’d kinda expect Anet to have said so (they didn’t), and to have had a huge amount of complaints before the nerf on how it was so OP and why every symbol should get thier cooldowns doubled (i really think people need to let that sink it, it was DOUBLED).
With 55% additional Retaliation from Virtues alone, there was almost no downtime on Retaliation from Symbol of Wrath before.
So with 55% from vitues (that’s a 30 points requirement) it increased the duration from 3 seconds to 4.65 seconds on the SoW using GS leap, as such using GS only it was possible to get 4.65 seconds of retaliation every 16 seconds if traited to get 20% 2hd skill cooldown reduction (another 20 points).
Now if using other weapons it was possible to get it more often using SoW but at best it was 4.65 seconds every 8 seconds (again, with a requirement of 50 points), sorry, i have no idea how yout claiming “almost no downtime” using the SoW for retaliation due to these reasons.
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Now look at the Hammer.
Take no points in anything and it’s possible to use hammer and get 3 seconds of retaliation every 5 seconds, with 10 points into Virtues that goes to almost 4 seconds worth every 5 seconds and with 20 points (to get the 2hd cooldown reduction only) you can get 3 seconds worth with every 4 seconds. Add with both together (30 points) it’s possible to get almost 4 seconds worth every 4 seconds (5 points more and it’s 4 seconds worth every 4 seconds = 100’% uptime).
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So it was a bad thing to get at best 4.65 seconds worth of single person retaliation at best every 8 seconds that cost 50 points, and as such it was worth wreaking all symbol builds using the GS?. All while it was possible (and still is) to get more retaliation that is an AOE version (spreads to other allies) with no points at all, and if you spend 35 points is infact possible to get a 100% uptime on it.
I just don’t see it as a good change at all when this is taken into account, all they should do is remove all ways of getting retaliation from symbols (swap the buff to someting else) and leave retaliation on active skills/virtues/traits only. Doing that would stop 100% uptime builds and make it so retaliation is an active buff you have to activate instead of something you can get from symbols.
It was never possible to keep ret up 100% of the time usung the GS SoW (if it was, it was a bug), you could get 4 seconds of it every 8 seconds using the SoW at best and if you only used the GS skills it was 4 seconds of it every 16 seconds (infact this is still possible now using only GS skills).
The best way to get the most Ret uptime using a weapon was (and still is) using the hammer, because you can get 4 seconds worth every 5 seconds or so.
Some of that “transparency” regarding the baffling great sword change made to Guardians that did not “fix” retaliation in the slightest would be nice.
Yeah, it is kinda baffling to read “Transparency in every part of the game is very important to us” when for 2 weeks now not a single response has been posted regarding that change that didn’t affect what it was supposed to and instead ruined a bunch of other builds usung the GS.
No explanation, no transparency – no anything, just completly ignored despite loads of complaints.
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Here’s hoping things change in this regard and it’s not just words that lead to nothing in the end – anyways it’s nice to see a few Anet responses.
That’s not the case at all, the patch notes explained one thing and did another – we don’t want the notes explained to the finest detail like you state, we just want to know why it stated one thing and did another.
When notes state they’re doing something for one thing and instead it does something completly different, it isn’t unreasonable to expect an answer as to why.
You do know WW cooldown hasn’t changed right?, so you can still do that AOE every 8 seconds. What amazes me is how some people can’t see how making every trait that works with the GS symbol having a decrease of 50% uptime isn’t a problem (more so when it was never even pointed to in the notes).
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If it was so OP (which it wasn’t – have you seen what some other classes can do in a similar timeframe?) then why not i don’t know – decrease the damage of the symbol and keep the cooldown as it was so all the traits that use it don’t get a massive nerf aswell (if using the GS).
Anyways, thanks for pointing out we can weapon swap in combat, i honestly don’t think any of us against the change (or offering suggestions to make it more reasonable) even knew about that feature.
What were the hidden conditions so I can be less mad as to why I am not on the list?
I’d like to know this aswell, i mean after checking some pics i see a lot with playtime similar to mine who got in – it seems very random.
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Anyways it’s still cool he/she is giving the sword away, but i have to admit to lead a lot of people on for a week and then say “sorry i now have a limit on who can enter” on the day after it finised is pretty low (infact it’s very low).
Despite the scepter having 1200 range i generally use it as a much closer range weapon (almost melee range infact), this is mostly due to orb speed and how small the smite AOE is (so much better to drop it on your location at melee range). The staff is certainly not a ranged weapon either IMO, due to the max 600 range and it being generally for support.
I’ve love a bow (long or short) with either a single targer design or multi AOE design, it would suit the Guardian nicely and it would go great with the Spirit bow (as it’s the only spirit weapon we can’t actully use ourselfs).
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