Guild Wars 2

Hopper.5128:

Maladon.5760:

Hopper.5128:

I was wondering about this i’ve seen it a few times now MAG and SBI chillin in camps together not fighting not saying anything bad about it just surprised when a thief runs into the other team for safety and doesn’t get attacked

Knowing how things turned out at RQ I think it’s funny that Oliver guy says “Out of luck SBI”

It was a good fight while it lasted

Definitely

Jyeoi.6027:

This matchup is interesting because it actually encouraged a somewhat sustained 2v1 on the leaders of the match.

Wasn’t WvW made so that 2 servers were supposed to attack the leader until the leader changed? The lower tiers never got this. They would always attack the weakest of the 3. Weak.

Three realms is basically a safety net to avoid one server blowing out the other two. However, Anet messed this up by adding points and ratings. In DAOC having two realms attack a third to steal a relic or take back territory worked just fine. In GW2 each server is looking for points so it’s just human nature that they’d get those points as easily as possible.

Hopper.5128:

I was wondering about this i’ve seen it a few times now MAG and SBI chillin in camps together not fighting not saying anything bad about it just surprised when a thief runs into the other team for safety and doesn’t get attacked

Knowing how things turned out at RQ I think it’s funny that Oliver guy says “Out of luck SBI”

Harley Race and the Nature Boy

Retaliation is basically an idiot test. If you’re dying to it…well, you get the idea.

I kinda like them to know we’re outmanned when we roll their zergs..

Solution: Stop spamming attacks like a moron. Paying attention is all you need to do to make this “problem” go away.

Gravy.7589:

Last night, during NA prime time you were ticking no where near 600+. SBI was ticking well over 200 most the night. Should have clarified that it was not during pvdoor funs. And yes please tell me how I would act, cause it would be creepy if you knew me that well…. ;o

We had a pretty good time in EB last night too. Here’s a pic of one of the epic Rogue’s Quarry battles we won. The DB zerg reminds me of that team the Harlem Globetrotters plays every night

Bannok.3152:

We have 2 commanders we can trade you for Commander Cody, what say you??

Only if he brings his zerg

Murderous Clown.9723:

The argument that the new system will cause server ratings to move closer together seems to be based on the idea that higher ranked servers generally bleed points to the lower ranked server in their matchup.

For this to be the case, the expectation would have to be for lower ranked servers to do better than Glicko expects them to…

Lower ranked servers gain rating points based simply on being matched with higher ranked servers because it isn’t supposed to happen randomly. If a high ranked server and a low ranked server are matched up the glicko system will attempt to resolve the ratings delta because matchups are supposed to represent parity in the system. Only after the delta is resolved will the ratings move towards actually being accurate. Unfortunately this will never happen in randomly seeded matchups every week.

oxide.8324:

Seems very few people here actually read the dev post about the new matchmaking system and understood the maths behind it. There is an adjustable limit which prevents servers with significantly different ratings from playing each other, so you won’t be seeing T8 servers or even T3 servers playing T1 servers anytime soon.

What you aren’t understanding is that the ratings aren’t going to be “significantly different” for very long. Higher tier servers will give up points to any lower tier server they are matched with. All server ratings will move closer to one another no matter how the matches play out.

Drop a ram on them

lani.7431:

Maladon.5760:

Gab Superstar.4059:

I just think SBI needs to push a bit more. There are definitely times when you guys outnumber DB.

Hearing talk about numbers makes me shake my head.

It’s not anyone’s numbers in particular it’s all our numbers combined. In this matchup DB and Mag have lots of people, SBI can field decent numbers in NA primetime. The game doesn’t work when this many people get in one place to fight. We were in SM last night and after about 10 mins we just left because nothing was working.

We also got skill lagged a few times in open field fighting, it’s just silly with this many people playing.

If you think that’s lag you should see when three servers who have fully qued map duking it out in one spot.

I don’t know how you guys put up with that

Herschie.6380:

There is a limiter! A tier 8 server can’t play a tier one. Someone on my server (FC) posted a link on how it works and that there are percentages for each server. There were just a few unlucky matches! I for one can say the IoJ-FC-DR is a decent match up!

The chances a tier 8 server can face a tier 1 server will rise every single week no matter what anyone on those servers does. It will happen if the math stays the same.

Xsorus.2507:

Maladon.5760:

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Cactus.2710:

I think it’s hilarious that so many people seem to think the ranking system is at fault here, no matter what it is. The Glicko-2 system is totally misapplied to GW2 (especially with randomization to subvert it), but the fundamental problem is that WvW will always be flawed as long as there is so little control over the number of players matched up against each other. It beats the kitten out of me that ANet can’t see that either.

This is the real winner of this thread.

The scoring in the system doesn’t reflect how well your server does beyond WvW population unless the servers are evenly matched and very few servers are evenly matched, some are close, many are unbalanced.

Exactly. This is not how the glicko system should be applied. It’s like painting your house with a sharpie.

What people are currently failing to realize is that each week high ranked servers will bleed ratings points to lower ranked servers. This won’t lead to “stability” in the ratings, it will lead to massive, massive blowouts as the possibility of very high ranked servers facing very low ranked servers will increase each week.

I think they should, first of all, decrease the player cap for each WvW map to reduce skill lag. Then they should base server ratings on participation instead of 24/7 PPT. If JQ has 600 people playing every night they shouldn’t be matched against a server that has 200 people playing. Just time-weight the WvW participation (total hours played by population during the match/total hours of the match) and rank the servers based on the results. I honestly can’t believe no one’s been fired over this glicko fiasco.

We had that system already, hence why the ranking system was nothing more then a population chart.

I’ve said it before..The Ranking system is not the fundamental problem with the WvW system.. and until they realize that…nothing will change..They can change it all they want but unless they fix the fact that Zerging is flat out the best method of WvW with zero down side, The Rank system no matter what they choose, will always be based on Steam Rolling the less populated side.

No the system we had before was based on PPT to feed a rating. Time-weighted participation would mean servers who log approximately the same man-hours per week would be matched up. If one server has 100 players a day who play for 2 hours each day they’d be a relatively close match for a server that has 20 players who play 4 hours a day and another 40 who play 3 hours a day. It won’t necessarily matter which hours they play, just that the total hours played by each server is close.

I just think it’s cute that people still care about PPT

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Cactus.2710:

I think it’s hilarious that so many people seem to think the ranking system is at fault here, no matter what it is. The Glicko-2 system is totally misapplied to GW2 (especially with randomization to subvert it), but the fundamental problem is that WvW will always be flawed as long as there is so little control over the number of players matched up against each other. It beats the kitten out of me that ANet can’t see that either.

This is the real winner of this thread.

The scoring in the system doesn’t reflect how well your server does beyond WvW population unless the servers are evenly matched and very few servers are evenly matched, some are close, many are unbalanced.

Exactly. This is not how the glicko system should be applied. It’s like painting your house with a sharpie.

What people are currently failing to realize is that each week high ranked servers will bleed ratings points to lower ranked servers. This won’t lead to “stability” in the ratings, it will lead to massive, massive blowouts as the possibility of very high ranked servers facing very low ranked servers will increase each week.

I think they should, first of all, decrease the player cap for each WvW map to reduce skill lag. Then they should base server ratings on participation instead of 24/7 PPT. If JQ has 600 people playing every night they shouldn’t be matched against a server that has 200 people playing. Just time-weight the WvW participation (total hours played by population during the match/total hours of the match) and rank the servers based on the results. I honestly can’t believe no one’s been fired over this glicko fiasco.

Gab Superstar.4059:

I can’t say I agree, sorry. Blaming numbers is totally lame. Just do the best you can, there are definitely times when you could have a much higher PPT than what you maintain.

PPT? lol!

Gab Superstar.4059:

I just think SBI needs to push a bit more. There are definitely times when you guys outnumber DB.

Hearing talk about numbers makes me shake my head.

It’s not anyone’s numbers in particular it’s all our numbers combined. In this matchup DB and Mag have lots of people, SBI can field decent numbers in NA primetime. The game doesn’t work when this many people get in one place to fight. We were in SM last night and after about 10 mins we just left because nothing was working.

We also got skill lagged a few times in open field fighting, it’s just silly with this many people playing.

Gellor.6497:

Maladon.5760:

Mayoken.9851:

I’m so surprised so many keep thinking DB haxxxxx. Lol. That makes me laugh a lot.

For me it’s not so much the rampant zoom hacking and the flying robots. It’s the fact that fighting against bandwagon servers means we encounter way too much skill lag for big fights to be very much fun. If all I get to do in WvW is auto-attack it’s not really worth playing. I honestly don’t know how you guys who play in the blob tiers can stand it.

Even without transfers this match-up would still be in favor for DB…

That’s not the point I’m making. I’m saying that there’s so many of you in one place that the game ceases to work properly I don’t care about the score but I do care about being able to use my abilities. Again, I honestly don’t understand how the people in the higher tiers can stand this nonsense. Do you guys enjoy pressing 1 all the time? In my opinion it leaves a bit to be desired lol.

I’m not blaming all of Dragonband. You can’t keep people from bandwagoning onto your server and dooming the rest of you to massive skill lag. Also, Arenanet is why we’re all in this matchup anyway so they flat out suck a kitten for ruining our WvW experiences in general.

Mayoken.9851:

I’m so surprised so many keep thinking DB haxxxxx. Lol. That makes me laugh a lot.

For me it’s not so much the rampant zoom hacking and the flying robots. It’s the fact that fighting against bandwagon servers means we encounter way too much skill lag for big fights to be very much fun. If all I get to do in WvW is auto-attack it’s not really worth playing. I honestly don’t know how you guys who play in the blob tiers can stand it.

eithinan.9841:

I would like to throw this out there for public consumption. Why not 2v1 Db?

This will do nothing to effect NNK-O’clock during the TFV timezone points, but it may help even out the off hours. Also it will really test our other times. I personally think Mags NA coverage can match up against us, I dont know about SBI.

Because it’s a useless tactic unless it affects the score. SBI is a NA primetime server mainly. No matter what we do our towers and keeps are going to get taken while we’re not playing. There’s no reason to cut our potential for fights in half during the small window each day when we field a reasonable sized force. We can’t really affect the overall score so it doesn’t really matter to us, we just want to kill both of you when we’re online.

Pinko.2076:

SBI just know that we’ll be experiencing it together when the sun goes down.

If you know anything about us at all you know we don’t give a kitten about the score or what anyone does while we’re sleeping. We just want good fights when we’re on…

zastari.1730:

Are you a recent xfer onto the bandwagon?

I hear they don’t like the term “bandwagon”

Vash.9183:

SBI, just endure this week! Your rating will change drastically and you will move to the general area that you belong in. That’s what this first week is going to be like for a lot of people.

Just try to have fun! :P

Our rating will go up this week and yours will go down. We’ll have an even better chance of getting a matchup like this next week than we had this week. This system is just dumb.

Tomoyo.3482:

i have to say this has made wvw far better i think. more loot bags and not who has the most ac’s in their towers.

Best night of WvW in quite awhile…

That’s pretty messed up if true

Aurust.8961:

Maladon.5760:

Aurust.8961:

Yes, as can be seen from the attached pic. SOR is the only server in the TOP 5 with a population of very high, while the others are full. SOR has been handily winning tier 1 the past 2.5 weeks.

Using logic, we can conclude that SOR has the highest ratio of wvw participants compared to total population.

..and if you take this topic to it’s logical conclusion you will realize SoR is winning it’s matchups based solely on a numbers advantage.

You are only partially correct. As you can see, BG and JQ both have a numbers advantage over SOR in terms of population.

And your point in this thread is that BG and JQ’s advantage consists of PvE players.

Aurust.8961:

Yes, as can be seen from the attached pic. SOR is the only server in the TOP 5 with a population of very high, while the others are full. SOR has been handily winning tier 1 the past 2.5 weeks.

Using logic, we can conclude that SOR has the highest ratio of wvw participants compared to total population.

..and if you take this topic to it’s logical conclusion you will realize SoR is winning it’s matchups based solely on a numbers advantage.

Daethonfoot.3516:

wvw demands equality with fractals.

This is quite the Rosa Parks moment, I’m so proud..

ps – don’t give up your spot in the zerg, you deserve it just as much as anyone else!

I don’t understand why WvW players don’t have laurels. WvW is pretty much all I do and I had all my ascended gear except for one accessory which I just bought today from the WvW laurel vendor. The daily laurel quest has always been easy and is even more easy now. If you have made the choice in the past not to gear up by doing this ridiculously easy quest everyday during the course of playing WvW then you need to live with that choice now and stop complaining. You messed up by not taking advantage of the opportunities available, shut up and live with the consequences.

Haru Kane.4623:

BossFi.6917:

Haru Kane.4623:

http://i.imgur.com/jA1wo5h.jpg I don’t think there is a single class that could survive this

Looking at the skills the thief used you obviously just stood there and did nothing. You deserved it.

I’m a Mesmer too and I don’t die to thief’s.

Well if you knew how to play a thief you would understand that he did the 20k damage (steal, cloak and backstab) within the time it took him to press the steal button. If you want I can show you how quickly it can be done.

You can dodge the backstab if you’re quick enough. On my thief I can shadowstep out of the backstab with reasonably reliability.

My thief is pretty close to glass cannon spec and sometimes I get obliterated by other thieves who were hanging back waiting on a target to appear. It’s just funny because they got me instead of me getting them. I’ve been hit for 12k on a backstab before but it’s what I signed up for with that character.

My guardian on the other hand, has zero chance of dying to a thief unless I’m akitten.

If you can’t use your abilities because there’s too many people in an area you’re not really fighting at all. The caps need to be lowered no matter what, the game can’t support large fights right now.

irishhaf.1692:

I haven’t seen a que on Devonas Rest in… well months… so Doesn’t seem that way to me…

I am talking about saying no more than 50 on 50 or some other absurdly low number.

How many 50v50 fights do you get in your tier?

I always enjoy this topic. It should be posted more often..

irishhaf.1692:

shrugs gotta accept that at some times you are out numbered and its just a target rich environment… if they try to control how many people can play at a time I would quit the game that day.

They already do that now..

The problem isn’t the first week of matchups. The problem will be a few weeks down the line when higher ranked servers have been bled of ratings points by being matched up with lower ranked servers. At that point it’s very possible for really ugly matches to occur.

There is a very easy way to take population out of the equation. I doubt they’d ever do it though.

Terrahero.9358:

Giving both Ranger and Engineer an ability to “guard” an area against Stealthers aswell as the ability to temporarily see through stealth.
For example:

Guard:
Command your pet to aggressively guard an area. Your pet gains stealth and protection for the duration of the skill.

Have the pet also attack targets that are in stealth. If someone comes to close, the pet will attack them. Making it obvious someone in Stealth is near.

Rangers are a food source for thieves, it doesn’t make sense that they could fight back effectively. Just ask cows and pigs.

Snowreap.5174:

I hope this helps people understand what matchups are likely under the new system, and what matchups are unlikely.

Here’s the issue I see with this new system…

High ranked servers are going to hemorrhage rating points every week to lower ranked servers just because they’re in the same matchup. In the current system, every time a server drops to a new tier they bleed ratings points for a couple of weeks even if they win the match. Lower ranked servers will soak up these free rating points and every server moves more towards the middle of the curve.

However, Blackgate is still Blackgate and Eredon Terrace is still Eredon Terrace. These two servers should never be matched up but artificial gains and losses to server ratings could easily result in this matchup a few months down the road. All the server ratings are going to bunch up around the middle of the scale and the matchups will be decided by the random number alone.

Jyeoi.6027:

Bannok is TS phobic otherwise he might be able to influence more ppl to come on TS.

Dude if you come on TS, i’ll give you 10g.

10g would triple my vast GW2 holdings.

As for getting Ban in TS, just be glad he’s talking in map chat. DC has gone entire games without even turning public chat channels on.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Just curious, I remember SBI being nr1 america server, what made them drop? This is by no means offence, just curious how it happened.

First when people started realizing that WvW was hard work with no reward we had a lots of WvW guilds shrinking/showing up less/closing. WM was the only one to transfer early as far as I know, the remaining guilds left at the closing of free transfers. Some felt they had the burden of carrying the whole server, others were just afraid of ending up in a dead server, which would not be the case.

You’re giving those people too much credit. They left because things got tougher after WM was gone. Nothing more.

LilMcGinley.3890:

Gravy.7589:

Complaining about their sea/oceanic coverage? Nah. Complaining bout how much they love their AC’s ….. yes. Get it right man, if you wanna troll. Sheesh :P

LOL, welcome to AC Wars 2?? I thought everyone knew that ACs were OP and it’s not just SoS that abuses them, EVERY server does. Arrow cart spam is the current meta for terrible players.

:)

This matchup is really boring now…

kRAVen.4195:

It doesn’t matter to most of us as we have seen he is not very skilled and even though you can react to his info you still weren’t able to stop what we want to do.

Then why is this even an issue?

Here’s some inside info to maybe set your mind at ease…

We already know what CD is going to do. You’re going to hit Ogrewatch/Umber and you’re going to find a spot to treb Stonemist. That’s your playbook. We also already know what you plan to do in every open field engagement (run north if red, run south if blue).

The minute you stop doing that every single night we might have need for a spy. For now you’ve just got a troll on your hands.

Chris.3290:

I look forward to Fridays, because even if it’s only for a few hours, we are behind and need to claw our way up.

Let’s be honest for few minutes here…you don’t have to claw your way up, you just have to wait until we log off

This time tomorrow the matchup will already be out of reach for SBI and CD no matter how well or how badly you do tonight.

Tumbero.3945:

Anyway how much more people on wvw has always CD and SoS than SBI? I really want to know on SBI numbers of wvw players , we always get outnumbered to fast.

I don’t recall a queue in the borderlands in a very long time. We often have a queue for EB from about 8 to midnight eastern then we immediately go into outmanned. It’s like half the server logs off at the same time. Of course I’m one of those people logging out at the end of eastern primetime so I’m part of the problem

SBI players at other times of the day are in a rough spot so they deserve respect just for showing up out there.

On an unrelated note, STOP RUNNING AWAY FROM US..

Chris.3290:

Sorry MrKnieves, I’m just taking the SBI people’s excuse for granted, because any other theorizing would be insulting.

Please refrain from considering any comments regarding our current score or population as an “excuse”. These are the points and the players we have this week, period. We’ve had more points and more players in previous weeks but this is what we have now. It might stay this way, it might not. I’m working under the assumption that this is the new normal for us.

Our shortfall in the points this week can be attributed to one thing and one thing only, we haven’t performed as well as we should have. Maybe we lost some players/guilds, maybe pve is awesome all of the sudden, maybe everyone’s at the windmill waiting for duels. Bottom line is that we didn’t get it done this week, nothing more.