Guild Wars 2

Plague should be a Well!

:)

dzeRnumbrd.6129:

Maybe you could Consume Conditions so you can put yourself in combat and drop one? ;-D

Better solution, activate Plague, bleed yourself every second, don’t press 2, instead, dodge roll into stealthed thief,

and let the bleeding from all eyes due to the horrid marking of HoT COMMENCE.

Unyielding blast doesn’t matter. They should just make it give vuln only and give piercing to DS 1 baseline. Because piercing does NOTHING for RS 1. And assuming in the future there are other types of shrouds, then this would be the most logical change.

Eremite if you aren’t going to contribute anything noteworthy to the forum please just never post here thanks

This change is deserves to be reverted.

nekretaal.6485:

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But if this is a serious addition, then Spectral walk had to go. OFC, spectral walk is nothing compared to portal guns and rocket books when it comes to abusing jump puzzles.

Not to mention the use of Spectral Walk BASE jumping to “break” the HOT maps.

No. Stop please. Spectral walk does not break HOT maps. What do you think gliders do? jump off of highest level, glide down to the lower levels. Same effective result.

Aireroth.7596:

1. I’m the 1% then. Woo, special snowflake!
2. Already pre-purchased. Glad about it.

lol

Drarnor Kunoram.5180:

Junkpile.7439:

So they make necro faster and give us leap skill or why the kitten they remove our only escape skill? It’s kind of funny that game only fun skills are fun because of bug. Why they don’t hire dudes who actually manage make fun skill that doesn’t need nerf?

It’s not a bug, though.

Exactly. Spectral walk confirmed to have been working as intended.

Don’t worry warriors, you’ll have an even easier time against necros now that they have no mobility and can basically kill themselves with just plague form.

Bump this thread if you believe in Spectral Walk staying castable in mid-air !

Even if you take dagger offhand, in higher levels of competitive play, no one will get hit by the dagger condi transfer. Which means its just a wasted weapon slot so you’re still better off taking the warhorn.

Bubi.5237:

Agreed, they help you to reach your optimal DPS setup faster, your downed state.
You are a necromancer, you should be able to kill while you’re dead!

Unfortunately, they even nerfed even our down state dps with the trait revamp.

ronpierce.2760:

Malchior.1928:

Don’t worry. ArenaNet is phasing out all underwater areas. Desert borderlands in WVW. No water in EotM. No water in Maguuma jungle.

You should be in the clear.

Now, how is there going to be a ghostship with no water? :/

Well, instead of fixing the blatent flesh golem problem, they nerf water in pve and wvw and pvp.

Similarly, instead of fixing the blatant necro problem, they nerf it in pve and wvw and pvp.

I think I’m starting to understand how this works.

After rereading the patch notes, I can say that it should still be on dodge roll. Those hyenas can be avoided by slightly strafing. No dodge roll needed.

No, I don’t agree.

If you’re out of combat and you see a thief stealth, you can’t dodge roll and lay down a mark with your proposed change.

That would be a big nerf.

Maybe for running around in pve, try untraiting mark of evasion.

Don’t worry. ArenaNet is phasing out all underwater areas. Desert borderlands in WVW. No water in EotM. No water in Maguuma jungle.

You should be in the clear.

I dont think it matters what happens to mesmer if they get fall damage avoidance I’m okay with that.

Bhawb.7408:

I really dislike the CC change, and Walk sucks from a fun point of view but we were insane to think it would stay.

No, actually ArenaNet told us they liked Spectral Walk’s utility.

I am mad.

-Revert Spectral Walk to useable in mid air
-Revert Consume Conditions and give it the Shelter treatment
-BUFF OTHER HEALS instead of nerfing our only decent heal.

nekretaal.6485:

If this was done in connection with removing the abusive aspects of z-axis teleport nerfs, then it’s fair.

It is beyond wrong that teleports can increase movement far beyond their stated range, by abusing pathing.

I read on reddit that a while back players were playing a stronghold beta with this fixed.

It doesn’t function like the standard z-axis teleport. You can’t use it go on top of clocktower. You can’t use it to blink up a cliff that cannot immediately be climbed.

When they nerfed DS fall damage, ArenaNet specifically said that Spectral Walk was a mechanic they didn’t have a problem with.

WHY THE CHANGE NOW?

I AGREE! Give Consume Conditions the Shelter treatment.

I want to have a word with whoever decided to change this skill’s functionality.

Proof that spectral walk was working as intended:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/necromancer/Bug-or-the-coolest-escape-move-in-the-game/first

Rising Dusk.2408:

Anubis.7058:

…2 turned into a facing/cone based aoe channel?

This would be really cool even if I don’t agree with the other part of your post.

Or even get the old life transfer treatment?

<3 (balance numbers accordingly)

Axe will be viable.

1. Don’t use it.
2. ANET sees horrible statistics.
3. ???
4. Rework
5. Profit !

Full nomad revs with boon support are gonna be OP (in the balanced kind of way)

Obviously numbers can be tweaked so that isn’t really an issue Drarnor.

ronpierce.2760:

I would also be ‘fine’ with being able to see cooldowns. Though I would also love being able to summon my super long cast time minions in shroud, at least seeing cooldowns would be amazing QOL.

and signets
and spectrals
and corruptions
and wells
and healing skills
and elites

and i guess garbage shouts too

Because this is the least internally inconsistent way Anet !

Ignoring that laughable axe suggestion, when the time comes for GS, GS/staff will make this question a moot point.

Daniel Handler.4816:

Bhawb.7408:

SoU + VP still has you losing 4% LF every 3 seconds. And still, never leaving DS isn’t exactly meaningful, the only build that would want to do that is glass zerker necro, which wouldn’t want to take SoU, and would be easy to burst out.

Your correct. I don’t use it enough I forgot about the 3 second wait >.<

Then I guess the only negative is you could be in DS so long you forget what weapon you have equipped.

The correct answer is always staff because max dps modifiers.

Balekai.6083:

The imbalance between vanilla DS and RS would be staggering as well. While it would be near useless on Life blast, it would be a totally OP on RS, cleaving allies with 1Kish heals on AAs.

You could make a similar argument in reverse for Unyielding Blast being near useless in RS and almost necessary in DS.

Plus, the positional disadvantage of using RS auto attacks to heal allies would make up for its relatively powerful healing ability.

With all this information about active support on other classes, will renewing blast still remain a necromancer trait, ie, moved into blood magic or something?

Why shouldn’t we be able to run around slashing our allies and infusing their blood with life force for skillful AoE heals ?

Reaper of benevolence playstyle please.

You’re doing it wrong. L2p :p

I’m relatively new to the thief class and I really like Sword Dagger. Although I constantly find myself being singled out by D/p thieves.

I hear that the odds are not quite in favor of S/D but is there any way to get better at fighting a d/p thief? what can I do to increase my chances of winning against one?

So you would rather have 3 extra utilities that probably aren’t that great, than being able to customize your utilities and carry them with you into deathshroud ??

Bhawb.7408:

I think your entire skill-bar should be available to you when in DS (so heal, 3 utilities, elite). It just presents a much better system for playing the Necromancer, you don’t feel like Death Shroud is this entity that separates you from the rest of your build or gameplay, it enhances it and feels cohesive.

Now, obviously there might be issues with balance. That is fine, if it happens then adjust as appropriate including nerfing DS’s LF pool if needed. I don’t see a compelling reason against having the skills though. Your heals could still be interrupted, your abilities all retain the same counterplay they did before, your elite transforms will just bring you out of DS, and any balance concerns can be addressed as they appear.

I want to make this my sig but its too long haha.

I think that would be overpowered. Lets just have one or the other. Why would anyone else take base if they could have their cake and eat it too with the reaper ?

ronpierce.2760:

Malchior.1928:

Then what about signet heals? If signet of undeath works in DS, why shouldn’t signet of vampirism. What is your take on that?

Two-sided. One, I could see it EASILY becoming very very broken. On the other hand. SoV blows currently… I still think it shouldn’t, we don’t really need to heal ourselves in DS so much as we need our heals/regen/external support to affect us. I’d rather SoV just not be terrible outside of DS/RS. SoU doesn’t maintain your real HP and is slower than other sources of DS/RS life force generation. The problem with making heals 100% work in DS is that they negate any reason to drop shroud. I think it’s good to make the decision to drop shout for a moment’s opportunity to heal. It also makes us more vulnerable to interrupt our heal and burst us, which I also feel is necessary. (Of course, the new Stability move in reaper will make healing much more easy anyways.)

No, I mean, if we allow utility signets passives and actives to work in ds, what is your stance on vampirism’s passive working too (if not the active as well).

ronpierce.2760:

I think we should get utilities in DS. It’s like our own personal kit. We can already use spectrals and go in it (arguably one of the stronger mixes of DS+Utility), and have pets pre-summoned. I don’t think it would be excessively broken to be able to use our utilities.

Not heal though. Maybe they could add a unique DS/RS #6 so it covers our heal. And Transform elites would just disable DS so that’s not a problem either.

And depending on what the #6 is, I wouldn’t be opposed to losing a bit of total LF in return for the access to utilities and #6. Might even be good overall to do that.

Then what about signet heals? If signet of undeath works in DS, why shouldn’t signet of vampirism. What is your take on that?

xgalaxy.7402:

I feel like the better compromise is to instead extend the DS skills into the utility slots as well. This way they can design the utility skills specifically for DS instead of trying to balance existing and swappable utilities around DS.

If this happened, then they would need an upwards of 10 more skills to make for DS and RS. I personally think the more straightforward answer would be to let us just use our normal utility in deathshroud. That way its less predictable and gives a higher skill ceiling. If we have a static 10 skills in DS, then after someone learns all the tells and counters it makes us almost sitting ducks.

I fully support getting utility skills in DS.

Greyhound.2058:

Wow. This is just terrible. Asura axe 1 had the best animation in the game – that flying roundhouse was just awesome. And although axe 1 was pretty rubbish dps-wise, it was worth equipping axe because axe 2 can really take chunks out of mobs. In fact in the power build I use for my necro, axe is hard to beat, even thought the autoattack sucked. Since I actually utilise my skills, rather than just mashing 111111111, I could make pretty good use of it.

But to take away that AWESOME animation…wow. Badly done there Anet.

Agreed.

Badly done there Anet.

This is working as intended.

As a necromancer, I support this change.

Castaliea.3156:

Galk the Bloody.4629:

Here was my idea, Undead Crows. It would match the look and feel of the Reaper.

-snip-

I definitely agree that we should get undead crows. If each undead crow blinds on auto attack, that makes us tankier, makes enemies do less damage, looks SERIOUSLY AWESOME, and would present us with a new form of synergies.

Currently we only have shadow fiend, but his blind is abysmal.
With the undead crows, we get syngergy with blind → chill in curses and then all of our chill traits. It could be quite effective. This would be offset by how fragile the crows are.

Fear the dragonreaper, Mordy.

Are they completely removing Renewing Blast?! RIOTTTTTT

The Black Plague
is a build I’ve crafted to run 2-5vX scenarios with my guildies.

PURPOSE

The purpose of this build is to fluidly alternate between

-Supporting the group through soft cc/debilitating conditions such as poison, chill, cripple, weakness and fear
-Being a big black tanky blobbity bruiser
-Executing kills

all within the same fight.

The name of the game is attrition. Thanks ANET <3

TRAITS

http://dulfy.net/gw2traits#build=AgQF6AP8Bvw~

SR: v00
DM: vvv
R: vvv

EVERYTHING ELSE

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fRQQJAWWjc00abxN+1wfTCAAQaQNA-TVSBABXcEAE4BAgmSQPV/pLlf4pLYhLAg57PAwhAgUA2N0C-w

Weapons:

Zerker Staff | Sigil of Bloodlust / Sigil of Venom (20% poison dur)
Zerker GS | Sigil of Intelligence / Sigil of Force

Armor:

Full Cavalier + Runes of Evasion
Cavalier Trinkets

Food:
Prickly Pie Pear: +40% condi dur, 33% to steal life on crit
Superior Sharpening Stone: 6% power from toughness, 4% from Vitality

Utilities:
6. Consume Conditions
7. Spectral Grasp / Radiation Field (against larger groups)
8. Spectral Walk
9. X – I usually use Flesh Wurm or Spectral Armor
10. Plague

Shouts are super underwhelming for me. Don’t want to take a single one.

FINAL STATS (without guard stacks)
~ 2.1k power
~3.1k armor
~10% crit chance
~230% crit dmg

+40% condi duration (60% for poison)

COMBOS AND SYNERGIES

My play style usually involves starting on the staff. I’m not usually the spearhead during engagements, so I usually stay a bit off to the side putting down staff2&3 and Radiation field if it’s being used. The Sigil of Venom certainly helps add to the poison uptime, synergizing with our Putrid Defense for step 2.

Next it’s useful to get closer and then go into RS2 to some enemies. Even more AoE poison with extra uptime because of staff sigil. By this time, most enemies should be poisoned and some chilled from staff 3. So you have about 35% damage reduction just from putrid defense and cold shoulder.

LAUGH MANIACALLY while you spam a 15% increased attack speed gargantuan deathscythe. Dodge roll if you want AoE cripple, some swiftness, and 3 seconds of fury for RS5.

Leave RS, activate Spectral Walk, and weapon swap to GS for the sigil of intelligence. Spam GS2 burst -> GS5pull/interrupt-> GS4 blind/cripple -> GS3 mass vuln. After this, the enemies should be blinded, crippled, chilled, poisoned and have about 12 stacks of vuln. DS should be up (7 sec recharge time) so go into it, and spam auto attacks and spin to win RS4 for massive AoE cleave (10% base crit dmg + 50% ds crit chance + [12 vuln stacks* 2%crit chance] + dodgeroll fury = 104% crit chance) with your 235% crit dmg. Wow.

Spectral return out of harms way.

blah blah Spectral Armor or Flesh Wurm for your oh SHHHHH button moments.

Play nice necromancers.
(Positive critique is welcome!)

~Born of Shadow, UW

War Mourner.5168:

Yeah, on a class that lacks mobility, the ranged power of life blast is pretty important.
Fighting on a point itself, in pvp being melee isn’t an issue, but when people are kiting around at range, you’ll be missing your ranged options a lot.

Spectral walk backwards, gapclose.

spectral grasp, gapclose.

f1 → rs2 → f1 → gs5 gapclose.

fleshwurm run gapclose.

eh not so problematic.

The simple solution is to just let Utilities work in DS. At least 7-10.

Any more salt in these wounds….

I think revenant will just have to be the necro I always wanted because I guess we can’t have viable things.

JonPeters.5630:

Necromancer has a high power ceiling but also an extremely high learning curve.

I don’t believe we have really seen what strong Necromancers can do yet.

After three years this still feels condescending.