Guild Wars 2

If the clones added a condition I think that would be sufficient. Like, maybe one stack of confusion on the third hit or something. It would add something interesting to the weapon without making everyone else in the game cry.

If you want to flick your n-ts and show everyone how “skilled” you are, then by all means spec something other than PU…announce it in map chat…and then screenshot/video your excellence and post it here. We all want to hear about how awesome you are and obviously you want to share.

Now back to reality, I’m sorry, PU right now is your only chance in hell of going toe to toe to with a thief or warrior as a roamer. Part of “skill” is knowing what tools you have, what tools other classes have and specing for it. There’s a reason why PU is popular. It’s not a crutch like everyone is making it out to be. When you’re going against other classes that can reset their burst combos over and over and over again, I don’t think it’s too OP for a squishy class like us to have a counter to that to even out the fight.

1. Elementalist (just delete the class and start over)
2. Ranger
3. Mesmer

If you want detailed reasons there’s plenty of threads..I think this particular thread makes a nice simplistic survey of the classes that need help and the classes that are ridiculously OP.

Warrior (nerf)
ele (buff)

Just put their “escapes” on a 30 second cooldown and 40 seconds if they don’t hit a target.

Oh wait…we only reserve nerfs like that for classes that have the lowest HP and armor..because otherwise…it would be power creep!!

I think the point is…this class is a whipping board for other classes and needs much more than what’s listed above. We get that it is not a comprehensive list…we’re just saying that this teaser still leaves a lot to be desired.

Started off as a Mesmer…played Ele for a bit about a year ago…even with this update still not enough. I think the problem is that Ele is the only class I’ve played so far where you truly do give up survivability for damage output.

I don’t know. I’ve found C&D to be the difficult attack to land not the back stab. I agree that P/D is way cheese but at least with D/D you need to stay on top of your target to maintain stealth.

The drawback is you waste 5 initiative?

I don’t see a problem. Mesmer phantasms are WEAPON attacks. They take up one of our 5 weapon skills. All the other class “pets” are out in addition to your 5 weapon attacks, which do scale with your stats. If you want to nerf phantasm scaling then let them stay out all the time, and give us a different weapon attack.

If your turrets suck so bad then address that issue, but don’t cry about what little another class already has.

If you want to cry about who has it better, ele’s could say the same about engi’s unlimited swapping between kits whereas they have ridiculous cooldowns on their attunement swapping.

Engi’s have it pretty good right now, and you’ll have a hard time soliciting sympathy from others.

Most of your condi’s as an engi are aoe. Just throw grenades, drop bombs, point your elixir gun in the general direction of where the mesmer last stealthed. Also use big ‘ol bomb and shield 4 to keep them off you if they’re sword/x. As soon as I identify the real mesmer I always ctrl+t him. It drops when he stealths but it helps you maintain target when he uses phase retreat or illusionary leap.

Nothing says you’re a scrub mesmer like using moa. It’s a one trick pony on a long cooldown, and like others have said there’s really no dignity in using it. Yes it effective when it’s off its long cooldown, but it also says, “I was about to get my kitten kicked by you so here’s my desperate ‘I win’ button.”

Anet seriously needs to hire a professional writer who knows how to make clear, concise sentences.

In this thread they said the following https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Deceptive-Evasion-nerf:

Josh Davis.6015:

Hey mesmers,

For clarification: if you have 0-2 clones out and you dodge, you will summon a clone.

If you have 3 clones out and you dodge, nothing will happen.

This I don’t mind so much because the majority of my clone deaths are from skills on my weapon bar and not from mindless dodging…no big deal.

But, now there’s this line that is from the OP:

Thanks for the feedback guys, there were some good points brought up here. This is why we wanted to discuss these future changes so that we had time to adjust to your feedback.

We’ll be discussing this change more internally. Most likely we will make some adjustments or look at other options such as replacing clones not triggering Debilitating Dissipation so it does not impact mesmer play as much which wasn’t our intent.

I really hope this isn’t the case. I mean the only damaging condition in DD is a 1 in 3 chance of bleeds. The other is vulnerability which is worthless for a condition build and the third is weakness…which is pretty sweet for debuffing hard hitting classes. What irks me is that we’re getting the nerf when you have so many mindless condi spam classes. We can’t even get our condi up time until we have three clones generated whereas other classes like necros, engis, and warriors can spam things like OOOh i don’t know 12 stacks of bleeds, chill, burning, poison…you know…condis that actually matter! Furthermore you have to be marinating in the Mesmer’s clones to get hit by the conditions.

So, I don’t understand why a 1/3 chance to cause bleeds on the target is ridiculously OP and needs a nerf, but it’s ok for other classes to set it and forget it condi spam.

Or maybe swap with phantasmal haste since there are so many passive traits in the inspiration line to buff phantasms. I think the torch skill is misplaced too.

If so, how do they use them? I just got mine to 80 and just wondering how zergs utilize them if at all.

These are the advantages I’ve noticed…being SB/d/d:

- Spammable blast finisher
- AOE Blind and Poison
- Decent aoe damage
- Scouting around sides of towers and keeps while taking down gates
- You can be the big brother to help fight off bullies that pick on your squishy siblings that fall behind the zerg train.

RlyOsim.2497:

makes me laugh.

‘i cant faceroll wvw with my full zerks, nerf plz’.

i know this isnt quite what you meant but still this is what it boils down to.

No that’s what YOU boiled it down to. The faceroll right now are all the condi set it and forget it builds that can spam condis for high damage with no sacrifice to survivability. I get that condis take time to do their damage, but they also take zero timing to apply and have zero animations. Usually power builds require key abilities to land, and if you miss those abilities then all your damage just got thrown out the window until your abilities reset. It’s simply not balanced.

And to the poster who said that only 10% of sPvP tournaments are condi bunker builds…lawlwut?! have you queued at all in the past ..ooooh I don’t know….6 months?

I’ve been using it in sPvP with Scepter/Focus, Sword/Sword. I’ve been using it to bunker and hold points using this spec:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQRAsc7dlwzCq3UTgGbNJiJFBnvdSB0tcoKsdlUobXIA-T4AA0CvIKSVkrITRyisFN+Y9xGizHTIefA

For WvW…If you’re roaming PU is a good choice, but like the person above me said you’re trying to avoid getting hit, so I’m not sure if it would be the most useful trait.

For zerging…it would be great if you’re using it with mimic. But even with that you’re kind of Kamikazying it because as soon as mimic wears off you need to get the eff out or you will insta melt.

I play an ele, and seriously diamond skin is just a one trick pony that works…sometimes. It’s a 30 point trait in a line line that revolves around condi damage when eles have terrible condi damage. A bunker spec Ele might have 20k hp, and it’s nothing for any class to sneeze at you and drop you below 90%. I can’t imagine that condi necros spend the majority of their gameplay, solo, and are only pitted against DS eles to where this can be game breaking for them.

Sorry you have one class where in certain situations you can’t set it and forget it condition spam.

About a week or two ago, my server did an all minion master zerg with Necros. It was pretty funny, and it steam rolled through a fully upgraded garrison with an enemy zerg defending.

I was thinking how bad kitten it would be to have a 30+ thief zerg that you couldn’t even see! Just random people appearing and disappearing all around you.

MIND

BLOWN!

Has anyone tried it before?

Until other set it and forget it condi classes like necros and engis and mindless regen classes like warriors and spirit rangers get nerfed, I’m not going to feel bad about a PU mesmer whose damage is mitigated by anyone who is smart enough to not marinate in their breaking clones.

Miss Firesss.3704:

Wow, I thought the last thread was actually quite tame.

ikr did they not read last week’s?

Did it have to hit an enemy player. Like if you have illusionary persona and use cry of frustration will you still get the buff…I’m at work right now and can’t check.

Is Confusing Cry (II trait in Illusions) bugged. I was trying it out last night and I never noticed the retaliation buff on myself.

What build are you guys going with now for sPvP? I was trying this build out the other night and was liking it. I was tanking as hell but wasn’t doing sh—- for damage. It was good for bunkering and keeping points contested while I waited for reinforcements.

Flytrap.8075:

wads.5730:

Flytrap.8075:

Tricare.2946:

Flytrap.8075:

Necro is easymode as long as you don’t get bamzerged.

Oh, well then I’d suggest your entire guild play necro, you guys could use all the help you can get.

That is true; it’s hard roaming with five people when Maguuma runs twenty and still calls it a havoc team.

i dont think anyone on maguma calls anything ever a havoc team

Maguuma never zergs.
Maguuma never uses siege.
Maguuma never sits in keeps/towers instead of open-field fighting.

Am I doing it right?

^ this. You forgot to mention they NEVER run away when outnumbered either. They’re like 300 against Persia, or SEAL team 6, or the career tributes—-EVERY last one of their players.

Thanks Pyro! I’ve been looking for a zerg build for a while. I’ve been using the tri-force for a while, which I guess is kinda outdated because of the confusion nerfs. Definitely going to try this out next zerg night. BTW they need to update the tooltip on Mimic. I didn’t realize it had a block after the first projectile, but then again I’ve never really used this skill.

I’m sorry if you’re a PU Mesmer and Diamond Skin is getting in the way of you winning you are just plain terrible. Summon ANY phantasm and you will bring the ele below the threshold (iMage may be the exception). The majority of your conditions come from clones exploding which take time to generate, which by then you should have been able to do 1.5 – 2k damage to the ele. It’s not like the ele is slipping in and out of stealth.

And like everyone said before, sorry you can’t face slam the keyboard anymore to unload conditions on an ele. Sorry you have to work so hard to get your 2k damage off before you can mindlessly spam your conditions with ZERO effort.

I have a hard time deciding between Blackwater, Tri-force, and my own spec for WvW. I have three sets of gear:

-Rabid set with perplexity runes,
-a mix of knights, cavalier, valkyrie, zerk with travellers,
-and a full zerk set with scholars.

If I run blackwater or tri-force I use perplexity runes/rabid gear. Sometimes I will switch to 10/0/30/0/30 for a shatter/PU hybrid using GS/Staff with a mix of knights, cavalier, valkyrie, and zerk and traveler’s runes.

Blackwater spec is good for giving your guild buffs when you mass invis and veil, but tri-force is still pretty sweet against enemy zergs even after the confusion nerfs. But, with tri-force spec I find myself utility starved because my guildies really want veil and portal bombs. My problem with both specs is that they’re condition heavy and kinda blow when taking out enemy siege/structures.

Just wanted to get your thoughts on what you’re running in zergs and why.

quickflash.6314:

Terravos.4059:

Actually it seems more like new PvE content gutted our numbers again, bloody outmanned on every map since the patch.

Ya definitely wasn’t because we wiped out your evening crew / morning crew / afternoon crew. Etc Etc Etc.

~~~

We need to start a new poll on how what percentage of SBI is fair weather fighters. I would say 98.2% or so.

When the cat’s away the mice will play. You go Yaks with yo bad self!!

RoChan.1926:

Mek.2947:

No rage. Just pointing out that you can’t even troll without help.

Case in point.

RoChan.1926:

Mek.2947:

RoChan.1926:

Mek.2947:

RoChan.1926:

Mek.2947:

I didn’t say anything about our recent decrease in PPT being a result of double-teaming. My point is your server hasn’t faced a challenge on its own accord. It either a)double teams like it did the past two weeks, or b) rides the coat tails of another server like it’s doing this week. Your server is the laughingstock in this league and listening to you smack talk is like listening to a chihuahuah yipping ferociously underneath the legs of the snarling doberman.

It’s ok. pat pat It’s not gay if it’s in a three way.

I actually AM gay, and honestly the thought never entered my mind when talking about three servers. Since it’s something that’s on yours maybe you should explore that side of your sexuality, so you can talk in a gaming forum without finding a way to work it into the conversation.

[jimmies rustled intensifies]

Looks like Yaks like their forum trolling like their WvW – piggybacking off another server. Couldn’t come up with your own trolling?

No rage. Just pointing out that you can’t even troll without help.

RoChan.1926:

Mek.2947:

RoChan.1926:

Mek.2947:

I didn’t say anything about our recent decrease in PPT being a result of double-teaming. My point is your server hasn’t faced a challenge on its own accord. It either a)double teams like it did the past two weeks, or b) rides the coat tails of another server like it’s doing this week. Your server is the laughingstock in this league and listening to you smack talk is like listening to a chihuahuah yipping ferociously underneath the legs of the snarling doberman.

It’s ok. pat pat It’s not gay if it’s in a three way.

I actually AM gay, and honestly the thought never entered my mind when talking about three servers. Since it’s something that’s on yours maybe you should explore that side of your sexuality, so you can talk in a gaming forum without finding a way to work it into the conversation.

[jimmies rustled intensifies]

Looks like Yaks like their forum trolling like their WvW – piggybacking off another server. Couldn’t come up with your own trolling?

RoChan.1926:

Mek.2947:

I didn’t say anything about our recent decrease in PPT being a result of double-teaming. My point is your server hasn’t faced a challenge on its own accord. It either a)double teams like it did the past two weeks, or b) rides the coat tails of another server like it’s doing this week. Your server is the laughingstock in this league and listening to you smack talk is like listening to a chihuahuah yipping ferociously underneath the legs of the snarling doberman.

It’s ok. pat pat It’s not gay if it’s in a three way.

I actually AM gay, and honestly the thought never entered my mind when talking about three servers. Since it’s something that’s on yours maybe you should explore that side of your sexuality, so you can talk in a gaming forum without finding a way to work it into the conversation.

Lastrites.5286:

Layuth.3804:

FrownyClown.8402:

Rest in peace SBI

Translation: Mag has decided to be Yak’s ho for the week like Ebay.

AWW all i got from this was… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM

Why are you gloating over Mag’s accomplishments? Your server is still a bunch of try hards who can’t face a challenge without the help of another server.

scimi.3487:

Mek.2947:

Frosch.7809:

Gahzirra.8639:

Funny how perceptions coincide with reality…Yak’s and Ebay separated, and Yaks is losing to SBI as well. Did learn in the Yaks/Ebay realtionship who the pitcher and catcher was, Ebay always 2nd.

Still sour about that defeat you got in League week 6? I think you can be glad that YB dislikes Maggs even more than your server and vice versa. The outcome of this week doesn’t change the League result, no matter how hard you try. Cheers!

Dude your server has been kicked in the face enough times this match-up. Just stay down until EB can come help you back up.

Let me get this straight, you lost to not one, but two servers that you were supposed to beat, and YB is supposed to feel bad about losing to two servers that are supposed to win in a week that doesn’t count for anything? Darn, you showed us…

Yeah, sorry, not feeling the shame. Go back to crying in the corner about something that happened in a video game 2 weeks ago.

We won’t even get into the “our players are taking the week off for x/y reasons” like you did when you lost. Sorry, just isn’t that important. Have a pleasant week.

EB in a different match-up isn’t your players “taking the week off”.

Frosch.7809:

Gahzirra.8639:

Funny how perceptions coincide with reality…Yak’s and Ebay separated, and Yaks is losing to SBI as well. Did learn in the Yaks/Ebay realtionship who the pitcher and catcher was, Ebay always 2nd.

Still sour about that defeat you got in League week 6? I think you can be glad that YB dislikes Maggs even more than your server and vice versa. The outcome of this week doesn’t change the League result, no matter how hard you try. Cheers!

Dude your server has been kicked in the face enough times this match-up. Just stay down until EB can come help you back up.

Black Scoutsman.5830:

Mek.2947:

Why are Yak’s talking smack in this thread? I mean…it’s not like anyone takes you seriously. You can’t handle a challenging match-up without putting on the Pampers and getting help from another server.

Because you keep reminding us of how sore you were when we derailed your ktrain server. We do so love the taste of tears.

Riiiight. Grats on your second place victory you needed help to get.

Why are Yak’s talking smack in this thread? I mean…it’s not like anyone takes you seriously. You can’t handle a challenging match-up without putting on the Pampers and getting help from another server.

The problem is thief stealth is spammable..whereas Mesmers have these things called cooldowns. I can’t tell you how many times in WvW supply trains are completely negated by a single thief for hours, even with a group of people defending.

“Oh just immoblize”…GREAT IDEA!! oh wait…wut? shadowstep?

No other class can do that. Yes a Mesmer can stealth for a significant amount of a duel. Duels are fast…Mesmer cooldowns are not.

LOL at EB. I don’t know why you guys are thumping your chests. You BARELY got 2nd place even with YB’s help. Whether you guys planned it in the beginning or not the fact is YB and EB focused SBI all week long, and even with 2 servers focusing SBI you barely managed 2nd place. Grats? EB is only getting ahead now because YB has left them alone. It’s like pigeons playing chess. They knock over the pieces, kitten on the board, and then flock to the forums to brag about their victory.

As for the rumor mill about guilds leaving I’ve only heard about one and they’ve been trolling our WvW the whole time by spamming map chat, destroying golems, wasting seige, etc. …so good riddance. Main one I noticed destroying seige last night was Star Playa from TE. He spent all night running golems into enemy zergs and dropping seige all over the place.

RazGerb.6173:

Naztharius.7639:

LOL you yak’s trying to help ebay get their hills back isn’t working so well. XD

It’s hard to take anything when you have 100+ SBI sitting in the lords room eating burgers.

uh no…there was probably like less than 30…it’s called ballistas.

Completely agree. I really do love this game, but this is the first patch where I felt really let down.

The only way dev can prove to me that they tested this is for them to post videos of them playing the new content.

Got dredge last night, it was INSANE! It was already the most annoying dungeon in the game and they just made it more so. We managed to get through it with 2 mesmers, a guardian, and two necros. We had a ton of reflects and aoe. I don’t know how you can get through this without key classes. It’s practically impossible to get the whole group through without people dying.

The zerker/firestorm boss was also bugged to hell. We couldn’t tell if the difficulty was intended or bugged. We had people with 40 AR dying to agony in a level 24 fractal because they would get 2- 4 stacks of agony; others were taking no damage. The graphics on the aoe were also off. If you were standing outside the edges of it you would still get hit. The zerker would also pick a particular person to continually pummel over and over again. You can only dodge and mitigate so much kitten within a few seconds. If we wiped and retry from waypoint it would spawn us right off the bat in the middle of the bosses so people were dying while they were still waiting for their screens to load.

Overall this patch needed waaaaaay more polish. I don’t understand why Anet won’t allow a test server for players to test out content for them. Seems like they’re overstretched and unable to keep up with the QA.

Yeah it took us an hour to do a level 24 molten facility. I don’t know if it’s intended but some players were instantly getting 4 stacks of agony while some weren’t taking damage at all from the agony. We all had 25+ AR…some group members had 40 and were still dying to agony. The aoe was hard to avoid. On your screen it would look like you were outside the aoe but still get hit by it. Half the time when we respawned to retry from checkpoint it would instantly spawn us in the middle of the fight with immediate agony stacks while our screens were loading. Was definitely e-raging by the end haha.

haha like Mortal Kombat fatalities. Mimic to absorb the Warrior’s kill shot then focus all the damage back to his head in order to make his head blow off.

What if the clones mimic’d your every move. They moved backwards like you, dodged when you dodged, even mirrored the same abilities, at their typical 0-3 point dmg.

I wish the blast finisher was at the start of the ability instead of the beginning. It would just be easier to time when you want the blast to occur.

I haven’t fought Lupi that much either, but don’t all the players have to be under the feedback bubble at melee range in order to reflect; otherwise he’s just throwing the projectiles over the bubble.