Guild Wars 2

Orion.3812:

Pre-patch: attacking a thief reduces the amount of damage they can deal by forcing them to go defensive.
Post-patch: thieves can attack with impunity, doing obscene amounts of damage despite spending all of their initiative on gap-closers or defensive abilities. They no longer have to back off to recover initiative—and combat momentum—when pressured.

On top of this enormous buff to combat momentum in PvP/WvW, it’s childishly easy for a berseker-geared thief to kill someone before they can blink. Using a combination of Panic Strike (second-tier Deadly Arts trait) and Basilisk Venom, many engagements I have seen go like this: Basilisk Venom -> Steal -> Win. No other button presses are used, because autoattack is now so powerful that the use of backstab has become a style choice instead of a skill-rewarding ability required to make a clean kill.

Looking out from the walls of Stonemist Castle right now, all I see is thieves. Something is wrong here.

L2P issue.

i am playing tempest instead of thief these days and its a joke to kill most of thieves unless thief is extremely skilled.

learn to play before u even complain about thief.

btw most of thieves never wanted damage buff blame anet for that though AA buff is not even OP at all.

Which would be the best?

Dagger/Focus WVW Build.

Water/Tempest/Earth or Air Trait

1) Strength Runes

2) Pack Runes

3) Traveler Runes

4) Soldier Runes

5) Exuberance Runes

6) Durability Runes (900 Aurilium needed)

The buffs to thiefs autos have made the fight even harder with 1 mistake being an instand down.

Lol what? thieves were always easy to kill on tempest/ele’s especially when u use dagger/focus u will hardly lose against them.

Will prob go for air/water/tempest trait.

i was thinking of durability rune sets but dont really wana farm lumps in AB.

any recommandations?

Seriously i miss the old BL map

100x times better than the current BL map

Strength or Pack runes still viable/usable on d/d or d/f tempest?

(wvw)

HS spam is good way to die

Needs to be fixed asap

and needs to nerf healing on druid too

now i will see rangers flaming and raging here again.

Needs to be fixed asap

and needs to nerf healing on druid too

now i will see rangers flaming and raging here again.

..

Because Anet devs are brainless made thief into garbage class.

Even gyro and mesmer got better stealth than us + so many reveals on almost every profession now.

and almost every single profession does better damage than us and its bloody aoe spammable.

What do u guys think?

Shout vs Signet Reaper for Solo/Small Group Roaming.

Steal and shadowstep is useless? Lol what those are the best skills on thief

Jana.6831:

CnD was nerfed in June – the damage was reduced by a fourth or third.

/Edit. Just remembered. Yes u are right cnd got nerfed but that is not the reason why d/d is bad..

@Jana

CnD was never nerfed..
its the CiS trait that moved to gm trait made d/d lose the blind

@psizone

No rangers are more easier to survive than thief due to a good sustain and kiting , range etc
and thief is definitely harder to play than rangers.

@ Jana

No you are wrong.

SA trait line got nerfed hard esp for d/d.

Because before the patch we could dish in both shadow rejuv and cloak in shadow (blind upon invi) along with SE clearing conditions like immobile and cripple and better time interval and also shadow protector as minor? trait which gives good sustain with shadow rejuv.
Also dont forget stats like toughness/armor and vitality was deleted and doesnt add up from traits like before which made thief weaker.

and no d/p shouldnt get nerfed. We just need other weapon sets like d/d p/d to get buffed to be competible.

Shadelang.3012:

MidoriMarch.8067:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WLZppw3QMAk&rdm=1us9zu6t2&client=mv-google

For those of u saying that ranger is in bad state and needs buff should seriously quit the game.
Check the video above and see how cheesy easy mode and lame playstyle that druid has.
all he does in the video just runs kite and massive heal repeat rotation and his pet doing all the work. And no dont compare thief to ranger because thief require skills at least to play effective and more likely d/p and s/d are the only competible weapon set.

it isnt about l2p issue.

i am talking about the pet that does more damage than ranger it self and its tanky as kitten

Btw its funny when a ranger class talks about l2p. Easiest profession to play that req no skills at all.

Err. the conversation kinda evolved past that point midori >.< sorry we couldn’t really take you seriously. This post doesn’t help. One mans skill is another mans cheese. In archeage archers were convinced there playstyle was the epitome of skill and that mages were cheese. The other side though it was the other way around.

Same kitten here really. Thief is underpowered atm. Everyone knows it. Wait till after its buffed to compare the two man. Your getting some heavy damage increases in the future. If thief gets to the point where it can 2-3 shot near every other “meta” build will you be admitting that its brainless then like your accusing the druid of being? Or will you claim that its due to the thieves own skill and that the other players should just l2P.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WLZppw3QMAk&rdm=1us9zu6t2&client=mv-google

Check the video above and see how cheesy mode and lame playstyle that druid has.
all he does in the video just runs kite and massive heal repeat rotation and his pet doing all the work. And no, dont compare thief to a ranger because thief require skills at least to play effective and more likely d/p and s/d are the only competible weapon set.
and, Why not nerf those 2 pets (not the whole pets and the mechanics) and buff other ranger stuff because pet is just there to support u in combat but look at that video lol funny that pet > ranger. Half of the time in that video all he does as ranger = heals and run.

You will hardly beat any of those class above (except thief vs thief) if they know what they are doing.

Unless you are really skilled thief, Its really hard match up for a thief to vs them.

reason for that is because after HoT release all the profession elite spec hits hard and tanks hard except us thieves sustain got nerfed to the ground.

I would be satisfied by just adding blind on cnd.

seriously miss the old d/d with SA trait SE , CIS , Shadow rejuv trait

Coolguy.8702:

Dakarius.3284:

Coolguy.8702:

d/d is fine, l2p

which is why i encounter them all over the place and dedicated d/d thieves haven’t dropped it for the objectively superior d/p

oh wait.

d/p is weak tbh, d/d is way better. You get a spammable evade, free access to stealth with c&d that applies vuln. And a cripple that dkes fair dps with 4. What more could u want?

LOL this guy is troll dont feed him lol gave me a good laugh !

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Bristleback-dmg-output/first

Check this thread there are so many people already asking for nerf on bristleback.

Bristleback + smoke scale is kittenedly strong and its just unkillable which is OP.

I only see D/D tempest roaming vids/builds in wvw hardly seen D/F tempest.

Are there any build with air trait (lightning rod or fresh air) that is viable in wvw except the 1 on the metabattle that uses earth/water/tempest trait?

Seriously should nerf those 2 pets on druid it does massive damage and its unkillable what the hell..

Jana.6831:

“Is she completely insane” yeah, I am but hear me out:

D/P is by far the best weaponset we have: gap closer, stealth “on demand”, interrupt and blind all on it.
Me as a D/D thief : Gap closer = steal (frequency depends on trickery), blind: CiS (now in grandmaster), interrupt: sleight of hand, only availlable via trickery.
A D/P thief usually doesn’t stay melee, a D/D thief has to. So, we need reliable condi clear which has been nerfed in June.
D/P now does more damage than D/D since June as the combo of a D/P thief is usually smoke field, heartseeker, shadowshot (which does more damage than CnD which is hard to land and puts the thief into the AoE range of the enemy)

So, if all traits are balanced around D/P which is the set with the most utility thief has got (staff aside) – then lets nerf D/P so the other weapon sets have got a chance.

D/P does not need nerf and it isnt op.

It’s just other weapon set compare to D/P just sucks. and needs buff.

and Anet just hate thieves, listen to those noobs thief op nerf qq and end up thief class become garbage compare to other prof

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Have you a screenshot? It should not display needing 1200 HPs.

Yes i can upload screenshot it cost 175 hero points to unlock a single tempest elite skill

and 1220 HP for the whole.

I’ve heard that it requires 400 or 250 HP to unlock whole elite spec.

But somehow on my elementalist, it requires me over 1200+ HP to unlock whole things. is this bug or something?

I was trying to unlock my elementalist’s elite spec tempest.

and then I checked and it requires me over 1200 hero points to unlock whole stuff…

I’ve heard it only requires 400 or 250 hero points to unlock whole thing… is this bugged or something?

Are there any nice staff build that uses air/water/x trait?

thanks.

Mesmers overall too op atm.

and that stealth is ridiculous mesmer can stealth better than thief lol’d.

I bet all the mesmer main gonna cry on this thread “mesmer isnt op”

btw thief can semi perma stealth with “ONLY D/P” and its not even permanent stealth like what mesmer doing in that video. and D/D , S/D cannot perma stealth.

Great thing about HK is that u dont have to worry about high crit chance. Which also means that u can invest that extra points to armor/vitality instead of crit chance.

NinjaEd.3946:

Mefiq.7039:

D/P is and always will be better that D/D

Think people would like to disagree and make them equal. Everyone knows d/p is better, but it shouldn’t always be better, otherwise what is the point of allowing such a set? Aesthetics? I prefer to think d/d is more skill based and should have a higher reward given the higher risk.

D/P is “always” better than D/D.

What u are talking about is only valid when the player that uses d/p is bad and d/d player is higher skilled than d/p or d/p player made huge mistakes.

There are no ways for d/d to beat d/p when both players are highly/equally skilled.

Everything depends on your player’s fingers & hands.

There is no perfect counter.

Good player will always win no matter what, on any class.

apharma.3741:

MidoriMarch.8067:

Fay.2357:

Rainbowsand.2438:

EremiteAngel.9765:

i’m quite tired of all these mesmer is OP threads.
they should ban all these threads.

Let me guess your main is mesmer?

Let me guess, your main is forum warrior?

Oh man, 4 posts down in forum history is advocating collision in wvw, my sides xD

Seems like u are the forum keyboard warrior becuase i see u on every single thread people post up problems with mesmer and u are busy being salty “mesmers arent not op u are just noob”

EremiteAngel.9765:

i’m quite tired of all these mesmer is OP threads.
they should ban all these threads.

Another Fay+1

It’s very easy to point fingers at everyone else here without looking at the ones being pointed back at you.

Mesmer wasn’t in a great spot and still isn’t in PvE. WvW it performs the same but now has better roaming potential due to longer stealth to disengage. PvP it’s no longer completely shut down by a competent thief but instead can hold its own like all others.

Besides Pyro is often very willing to help those who ask for it, you just have to start on the right foot asking for help rather than claiming something is OP without knowing much about it or bringing an elitist attitude.

No.

You talk like Pyro is pro and people who does not play better than him/know him shouldnt be talking and 100% wrong. I am not sure if u know the meaning of “Elitists” here.

Remind me of big fish in a little pond. Don’t forget world is wide and dont be arrogant.

Fay.2357:

Rainbowsand.2438:

EremiteAngel.9765:

i’m quite tired of all these mesmer is OP threads.
they should ban all these threads.

Let me guess your main is mesmer?

Let me guess, your main is forum warrior?

Oh man, 4 posts down in forum history is advocating collision in wvw, my sides xD

Seems like u are the forum keyboard warrior becuase i see u on every single thread people post up problems with mesmer and u are busy being salty “mesmers arent not op u are just noob”

EremiteAngel.9765:

i’m quite tired of all these mesmer is OP threads.
they should ban all these threads.

Another Fay+1

Fay.2357:

Mm yes, this thread is going to go well. Unsubstantiated complaints, calling mesmer overpowered, claiming faceroll in PvP, making little to no sense in the whole post, it ticks all the boxes!

Edit: Post history shows a grand pattern of nonstop forum trolling too. Yeah, this one is off too a great start!

Post history shows that u are always justifying/shielding mesmer is not OP.

There is a reason when mutiple people make a thread saying mesmer is too strong.

From what i know Anet already announced that shield will be totally redesigned in HoT.

Rain.9213:

Mesmers have aoe, Necros have aoe, Warriors have aoe, Rangers have aoe, Guardians have aoe, Engineers have aoe, Eles have aoe, and even Ranger pets have some nasty aoe taunt now…. seriously. Howl with Wolf and get taunted for 2 seconds THEN feared for another 2 seconds… that seriously needs a fix.

Just voicing my frustrations at how kittened up the kitten hole us thieves are getting right now. I cant jump onto a single target without getting destroyed by aoe from every other class in the game.

I really, REALLY hope Staff helps aleviate this, if that is our elite spec weapon. Maybe give us some nasty aoe of our own cuz… cluster bomb and caltrops? Ha… yeah. Totally…

Thief got some good aoe. SB #2 and #4

and Thief doesnt mean to be aoe type of class.

Mesmer as a light armor class got so much surviving tools while doing so much damage.
Mesmer got stealth , block , evades , blink , distortion , shatter on heals and also aegis if u use staff/PU.
Its just not balanced mesmer doing so much damage while surviving very well whether u go zerker/condi.
I mean mesmer’s hp pool is not bottom tier like thieves or ele,guards, I am sick of bad mesmers think they are actually good with so much forgiving builds with mesmers.

It’s just not right when i play mesmer in pvp facerolling.

T raw.4658:

DHawk.2687:

T raw.4658:

MidoriMarch.8067:

T raw.4658:

DHawk.2687:

Jana.6831:

DHawk.2687:

mfg how many times do i have to say i want to see a buff rather than a nerf, I’m just trying to be realistic since we won’t see a buff in a long time
are we done now? I NEVER demanded a nerf of dp

DHawk.2687:

dp does need some kind of adjustment imo, i think the blindfield and the fact that you can just heartseaker through it stale, boring and a bit too strong compared to all the other thief weaponsets, not even mentioning the shadowshot and daze

adjustment does not mean nerf. look it up

You lost time to get back to the drawing board

No you lost T Raw.

Please dont judge people when u actually have 3.2k ap with less than 1000 hours spent on thief.

Since when did speed runes become perplexity runes and since when did zerker/valk gears turned into condi gears?

Thanks

Saying isuq because of my play time stats on this account in a passive aggressive manner is unbecoming.

I’d much rather the “Duel me I’ll show you” response.

But what do I know isuq and get carried in all game modes just please next time don’t spam me during a GvG

fyi there is a block funktion ^^

I only block gold spammers….tho after one of the rounds when I got to reply he mysteriously decided to block me

O well

I know your level just by u playing d/p and says it req more skills than d/d

made me laugh pretty hard nice try lol

T raw.4658:

DeceiverX.8361:

Kocoff.7582:

D/P thief … requires a lot more skill than D/D

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I think you vastly over-estimate the skill requirement for D/P. It’s one of the thief’s easiest weapon sets.

Kocoff.7582:

I implore you, my fellow thieves, please share your D/P wisdom to those in need.

Spam 3, auto-attack, execute with 2. 4/5 When you need it against tanks or bunkers you can’t kill, shortbow to run away.

You can cancel stuff as it was mentioned, but it’s really not even necessary half the time.

D/D thief elitism at it’s finest.

We can even say D/D is nothing but 5 > 1 then 2 spam….

Nice Mr pro T Raw

3.2k ap and less than 1000 hours on thief really nice tips

T raw.4658:

DHawk.2687:

Jana.6831:

DHawk.2687:

mfg how many times do i have to say i want to see a buff rather than a nerf, I’m just trying to be realistic since we won’t see a buff in a long time
are we done now? I NEVER demanded a nerf of dp

DHawk.2687:

dp does need some kind of adjustment imo, i think the blindfield and the fact that you can just heartseaker through it stale, boring and a bit too strong compared to all the other thief weaponsets, not even mentioning the shadowshot and daze

adjustment does not mean nerf. look it up

You lost time to get back to the drawing board

No you lost T Raw.

Please dont judge people when u actually have 3.2k ap with less than 1000 hours spent on thief.

Since when did speed runes become perplexity runes and since when did zerker/valk gears turned into condi gears?

Thanks

Obviously not a joke thread and its not funny at all.

Sounds more like Lich is crap and useless skill so buff it anet.

Necro forum always cries so hard even its in a good spot.

Trying to make ranger mostly for wvw, and some pvp.

Are there any builds that uses Shortbow/Sword+Dagger or Axe?

I refuse to use any kind of builds that uses LB/torch.

Lmk thanks.

D/P is not op.

But its true that other weapon sets are not strong as d/p.

and more likely i cant believe there are people who actually says d/p requires skills to play

Vague Memory.2817:

I keep looking at the inspiration line and looks more like a team support line than anything else, and other classes can do this much better. The only reason I have been tempted to use it is because the devs have decided to stuff our best condi removal in there, but when I think about what else it offers it seems very weak compared to the other lines.

Has anyone found any real usefulness for this line in PvP?

On a side note I really dislike the fact that to keep this line alive, most of our condi removal is in there.

I run Inspiration over PU.

its more fun than PU.

PU is for cheesy noobs who cant even play without it.

yea i see mesmers gonna get nerfed and so much tears flowing already!!!!!!!Q.Q

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

Sorry, but by reading your other posts about D/P “perma stealthing”, the fact you say D/P is ‘faceroll’ in your opinion, is not valid. You base that on the fact has rotations that make the set easy to learn, but you still have to use those skill rotations well in different situations, be positionally aware and keep your init in check, you simply do not understand it is not quite that simple, or forgiving to play D/P.

U can keep justifying ur self that d/p is hard to play weapon set.

Let me guess u play d/p as roaming thief?

Most of people knows that d/p is easiest weapon set to play along with p/d.

Keep dreaming. Its a fact that d/p is much forviging set than d/d or s/d.

I dont even understand.

Thief cannot perma stealth unless u use d/p