Guild Wars 2

Supreme.3164:

I don’t see the logic behind this massive sustain overbuff on war while at the same time you nerf the sustain of others

Let’s try this time to have an “unbiased” discussion, there is too many stacked traits on warrior…and I’d rather don’t talk about it. I want to ignore all of it, let them have it all!….but pls just take a look at Rousing Resilience.

A really broken combo on war atm is Rousing Resilience + Outrage

By combining the two a warrior can:

-Increase his toughness by 1000
-Stunbreaker
-Gain adrenaline
-Heal for over 2.5k health at 0 healing power

And this every 10s..I’m not even considering : Healing Signet; Adrenaline health; Dead or alive; blocks; reflects tc etc

Now I’m not asking to destroy war sustain, we just need an ICD on Rousing Resilience; especially now that you buffed war endure pain, allowing them to chain both the trait and utility

I like how this guy QQ with warrior while playing Druid as main Lol

how about we nerf that druid sustain/mobility first

Justine.6351:

MidoriMarch.8067:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Swagger.1459:

Gibimo.2193:

Swagger.1459:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Rotteny.8743:

Justine.6351:

ya as op as druid is made out to be (it is pretty amazing) I still see fair representation of all classes when in wvw. I find it hard to believe that many people are so proper about not rushing to pickup the next op thing. If druid was so op it just had to be nerfed hard trust me, there would be like a 5-1 ratio of them in wvw because that’s probably the ratio of people who have no shame when it comes to winning.

That’s because druids are only strong in small scale and most of the people are just here for the blobs and ppt.

And these are the people that come to complain about dying to druids.
“I died to a dueling build on my staff ele, please nerf”

Easy now, was just about to post that. Yesterday I got my pixels beat up by a thief, while fighting a RANGER too, on my staff ele build.

It’s not fair that the thief can stealth over and over and over, while eles don’t have any reveal and their staff skills are so slow. Where is my ele version of double 10k vaults hmm? Am I expected to run DD for another 4 years to be even remotely competitive? Where are my stealth skills? Can’t even make use of runes of the trapper because we don’t have traps… Why is it that thief gets ultimate stealth PLUS ultimate mobility PLUS ultimate burst PLUS have access to make these super condi builds that melt you? Eles have low hp too so why don’t eles have similar movement skills to run away better? Where is my ele condi bomb build so I can laugh at my opponent frantically trying to run away while their hp are ticking out?

Speaking of condi, where are all my super condi clears? It’s not like the meta hasn’t been all about the condi for a long time… Would stand to reason that eles should get equivalent condi clears to other classes like necro and guardian and warrior and druid, and go into stealth like thief while removing condi too lol… It’s not right that thief can just layer stealth plus condi over and over and over while I’m standing there unable to clear or run properly…

And through the whole fight the druid was nothing more than an annoyance, it took the thief to kill me… Go figure… Nerf OP thief.

Edit- and the Druid was running that supposed “cheese op” builds people are complaining about too.

I checked, “See all messages by Swagger.1459”
because I remember saw you lot of times in the ranger forum before.
Do not disguise your self to ele fellow ranger, don’t try any dirty tricks.

I have one of each profession and that’s a true story. Thief OP, Ranger UP.

Still main Ranger and that won’t change, but I have to be honest.

I also have one of each and I can’t agree with meta wvw druid being UP. It’s plain kittened to say that considering they have all a cele d/d ele has but better and an easy access to stealth + a pet.

It’s not because other builds can do well vs that build that it isn’t overall over-performing. When you take in what is sacrifice and what is gained relative to what other can sacrifice and gain for the same sacrifice, it’s pretty kitten cheesy.

It sacrifices a crap ton of personal damage for sustain. That’s a big part of why it does so poorly outside of 1v1’s.

More than a cele d/d ele?

Cele ele was dominating before the HoT power creep. It was basically on par with current builds when everything else was significantly weaker.

Sure but you do realize you do all they ever did but better on every aspect and then add stealth and a pet?

Stealth is probably what makes it too much in WvW to be fair. In pvp stealth is no problem but in WvW it’s enough to break a lot. It’s just too easy to get away from situations anybody else would have died long ago whwn you have so many ways to evade death and pursuit. The only way to defeat a druid in WvW is massive cc chains. If you can’t pull that along with the required damage spike just go home, you loose your time.

If you are that hard to threaten, it should not be that easy to be a threat to others. Druids do WAY too good damage for their level of defense. Yes, I agree the HoT power-creep is largely to blame and that druid are not alone to drip cheese like that but it is what it is.

BTW, I did the same discourse for other builds including the cele ele back then. It’s not a case of nerf all but me or nerf all that kill me. It’s a case of do a better job at balance.

^

trust me people like jim hunter or justine only mained druid and obviously havent played other class

Lolwhat?

My first was a warrior, second a mesmer (was main), 3rd a new warrior (was main), 4th ranger (was main), fifth is rev(new main).

Not sure why I got to prove anything, I agree celestial shadow needs to be changed. Everything else? Those are the things that make for good roamers. They are used on other roamers, they are used on druids and if they didn’t exist on druids they would be more apparent on those other classes and zerglings would be crying about them instead. L2p or go hide in a zerg or tower and leave roaming to roamers who know how to build a roamer and play like one.

Don’t tell me to l2p.

I dont want to hear this from HOD STRM that gets rekt as zerg by like 6 of us

This is why druids needs more nerf because bunch of unskilled players like STRM acts like pro and tell others to l2p when they are just really bad and gets free carried by profession.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Swagger.1459:

Gibimo.2193:

Swagger.1459:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Rotteny.8743:

Justine.6351:

ya as op as druid is made out to be (it is pretty amazing) I still see fair representation of all classes when in wvw. I find it hard to believe that many people are so proper about not rushing to pickup the next op thing. If druid was so op it just had to be nerfed hard trust me, there would be like a 5-1 ratio of them in wvw because that’s probably the ratio of people who have no shame when it comes to winning.

That’s because druids are only strong in small scale and most of the people are just here for the blobs and ppt.

And these are the people that come to complain about dying to druids.
“I died to a dueling build on my staff ele, please nerf”

Easy now, was just about to post that. Yesterday I got my pixels beat up by a thief, while fighting a RANGER too, on my staff ele build.

It’s not fair that the thief can stealth over and over and over, while eles don’t have any reveal and their staff skills are so slow. Where is my ele version of double 10k vaults hmm? Am I expected to run DD for another 4 years to be even remotely competitive? Where are my stealth skills? Can’t even make use of runes of the trapper because we don’t have traps… Why is it that thief gets ultimate stealth PLUS ultimate mobility PLUS ultimate burst PLUS have access to make these super condi builds that melt you? Eles have low hp too so why don’t eles have similar movement skills to run away better? Where is my ele condi bomb build so I can laugh at my opponent frantically trying to run away while their hp are ticking out?

Speaking of condi, where are all my super condi clears? It’s not like the meta hasn’t been all about the condi for a long time… Would stand to reason that eles should get equivalent condi clears to other classes like necro and guardian and warrior and druid, and go into stealth like thief while removing condi too lol… It’s not right that thief can just layer stealth plus condi over and over and over while I’m standing there unable to clear or run properly…

And through the whole fight the druid was nothing more than an annoyance, it took the thief to kill me… Go figure… Nerf OP thief.

Edit- and the Druid was running that supposed “cheese op” builds people are complaining about too.

I checked, “See all messages by Swagger.1459”
because I remember saw you lot of times in the ranger forum before.
Do not disguise your self to ele fellow ranger, don’t try any dirty tricks.

I have one of each profession and that’s a true story. Thief OP, Ranger UP.

Still main Ranger and that won’t change, but I have to be honest.

I also have one of each and I can’t agree with meta wvw druid being UP. It’s plain kittened to say that considering they have all a cele d/d ele has but better and an easy access to stealth + a pet.

It’s not because other builds can do well vs that build that it isn’t overall over-performing. When you take in what is sacrifice and what is gained relative to what other can sacrifice and gain for the same sacrifice, it’s pretty kitten cheesy.

It sacrifices a crap ton of personal damage for sustain. That’s a big part of why it does so poorly outside of 1v1’s.

More than a cele d/d ele?

Cele ele was dominating before the HoT power creep. It was basically on par with current builds when everything else was significantly weaker.

Sure but you do realize you do all they ever did but better on every aspect and then add stealth and a pet?

Stealth is probably what makes it too much in WvW to be fair. In pvp stealth is no problem but in WvW it’s enough to break a lot. It’s just too easy to get away from situations anybody else would have died long ago whwn you have so many ways to evade death and pursuit. The only way to defeat a druid in WvW is massive cc chains. If you can’t pull that along with the required damage spike just go home, you loose your time.

If you are that hard to threaten, it should not be that easy to be a threat to others. Druids do WAY too good damage for their level of defense. Yes, I agree the HoT power-creep is largely to blame and that druid are not alone to drip cheese like that but it is what it is.

BTW, I did the same discourse for other builds including the cele ele back then. It’s not a case of nerf all but me or nerf all that kill me. It’s a case of do a better job at balance.

^

trust me people like jim hunter or justine only mained druid and obviously havent played other class

Jim Hunter.6821:

RlyOsim.2497:

Also, as an aside, and I’m not calling out druids in particular, could people that main a class please stop with the just straight denial of broken stuff. Play 1 other class at least, and if you don’t maybe look at your response and ask ‘is this biased’? If something is overtuned in WvW it affects all of us, I get my ‘mai class is mai class’ but please, Anet clearly haven’t got a kittening clue about WvW balance so just discuss instead of straight white-knighting. We don’t want Glorious Leader to be confused.

Funny thing is when you go from playing a ranger to pretty much any other profession you feel like the game just got put on easy mode. All of a sudden you have roughly the same sustain but 2-3 times the damage.

This is the most funniest comment ever i’ve seen 2016

I mean druid is soooo hard to play right? I mean druid skill rotation and play style is extremely easy and forgiving.

Most of people who main druid always think they are playing the hardest profession which is not true they heavily gets carried by the profession and build it self and they usually play the bunker/condi cheese as well as they play so bad when they get to play other professions.

and no thief only rely on evade and stealth and stealth has so many counters nowdays which means evade is the only clutch to save thieves. If u ever duel a same skilled level of druid vs thief, thief has no chance of winning thats how it is and thats not a l2p issue. In order to beat druids with thief u have to 100% outplay them to get them down.

yet Druid? superior short cd’s on weapon set skills . mobility on gs or staff , good healing , regen , 1200~1500 range kiting , easy access to stability and might boons , can stealth , good damage.

Druid lacks nothing, None of other professions can access all of that and all those druid main tells everyone who disagree l2p so funny lol

i mean I can play druid for less than 50 hours and can still compete with skilled roamers easily thats how it is low risk high reward.

This is why condi should be nerfed.

so many bad people showing off and acts like pro with cheese builds that carried by profession and certain builds.

and that thief is not even skilled as well

Seriously go check out druid roaming on twitch stream.

he uses full celestial staff/sword warhorn and trolls people like 5~6 vs 1 with crazy sustain tanking healing and use mobility to run when low come back rinse and repeat if u have a look he is not even skilled yet that full cele druid can hit up to 7~8k auto attacks on staff with celestial with perma 25 stacks of might

do u guys even know why cele ele has been nerfed?

Current state of druid in wvw is pretty much ridiculous more op than old cele ele.

None of profession in current state has access to all boons including full might stacks , stability , massive regen , crazy healing , stealth , good kiting range , mobility , good damage even with bunker stats.

Druid is obviously a facerolling class

Dawdler.8521:

Yes I always see entire 50 man zergs consisting only of druids, condi mesmers and condi thieves, they’re just that OP. kitten GREN, DMT is the new meta.

Yeah thats how it is in wvw nowdays.

full of cheesy condi builds and druids everywhere.

Poll was about removing DBL completely vs leave there with alpine

and majority of people chose bring back DBL with ALPINE which does not mean majority want to play on DBL.

majority of people still prefer to play on alpine and EBG

that 75% vote was to make everyone happy so we can play both maps.

but it would’ve been different story if it was a poll about remove alpine vs remove dbl.

People who voted was all about removing DBL completely or leave there with alpine.

and majority vote for leaving DBL there with alpine which DOESNT MEAN THAT THEY WANT TO PLAY ON DBL.

Lot of people saying/thinks that majority want dbl back which isnt true.

we chose DBL to come back with alpine so everyone can be happy.

I still dont see people on DBL at least on my server and DBL needs rework to make people actually play on that map.

Druids are OP in wvw.

Feels like watching ele back in 2012~2013 but with more mobility , healing , kiting

Why is this class can stealth ,

heal more than support ele does ,

superior kiting range from 1200~1500 ,

hits hard even with stacked toughness and vitality ,

they are extremely hard to kill and hard to ignore/run from

Seriously some of class like druids , condi mesmers , condi trap thief makes wvw extremely boring and unhealthy to play

LionChain.7694:

Ugh, please nerf this…such an OP boon…should be a boon that stacks like stability, and each stack should protect a player from one incoming application of cripple, chill or immobilize…it should basically be to movement-impeding conditions what stability is to cc’s like stun, knockdown, daze, etc….that or just have each stack of resistance protect a player from one incoming condition, damaging or non-damaging.

Condi is already way too strong

and cleanse is limited if u want to nerf resistance then condi should get nerfed as well

people like u who plays cheesey condi builds makes wvw extremely boring these days which makes downside of wvw.

Mesmer can stealth and burst hard just like thief

now due to 1 sec cd nerf dagger off hand weapon set is unplayable.

why not add 1 sec cd stealth to mesmers as well since they can stealth as well as thieves

messiah.1908:

also in pvp they is not dire amulet . so stop posting answer which belong to wvw thread

condi atm are balance beside small adjustment to warrior resistance and sustain

power build need some ticks here and there like power necro, mesmer and some nerf with sustain and passive like druid and engi and DH and warrior

that’s all

Lol

this guy plays condi d/d thief all he does is spam death blossom and dodge

and talks like condi actually req skills

and yes pvp has wanderer’s amulet and rabid which is quite same as dire

It’s the dire/trailblazer/rabid that makes condi build ridiculous.

let me tell the truth.

most of people who plays condi build says power build is easy but when they actually play power build they get melted in less than 10 sec.

example on power mesmer 15k~16k hp and less than 2k armor

example on condi mesmer 20k+ hp and around 3k armor

isnt it kittening obvious which 1 is more forgiving/easier to play?

power build needs to sacrifice some of defensive stats to be effective and 1 or 2 mistake and u are pretty much kittened

condi builds? just stack tough/vitality/condi = done u are tanky as kitten and u can still stack so much condi bomb

Reh.5986:

Warriors and necros are manageable. Necros hide by doors and warriors run like hell once stances and endure pain is blown. The condi mes and thief though just make roaming more annoying.

Mes in particular needs to either tone down confusion application or actually nerf confusion altogether. The thieves are just annoying troll builds.

Fix perplex, trapper runes and confusion would probably be enough to reign it in a little without touching the classes. Dire/trailblazer wouldn’t be so bad without hitting from perma stealth and crazy confusion application.

Confusion in particular is anti fight and hits really hard just cycling through cleanses trying to clear it.

this.

there are so many aids build like pu condi mes , thief that spams dodge , death blossom and its so much forgiving to play

Sea of Sorrows is the worst server ever i’ve teamed up with.

I was on DH , FC , HOD , BG and now on NSP.

SoS got no map awareness , afraid to fight , dodge red dots on the map , never help allies and they are generally bad at fighting.

It’s so much frustrating compare to other server wvw. Esepecially when u merged with them for a month+

MilkCarton.4087:

Funnily enough, condi mesmer is the easiest condi build for me to fight. Although there doesn’t seem to be many condi builds in the first place. I play thief and taking escapist’s absolution and pain response makes it quite easy to fight them. I can kill condi mesmers with some reliability on both power and condi thief. Who the hell uses PU these days anyway? The other traitlines are so much better and pretty much mandatory.

Are u serious?

go to EB and u will see about 80% of mesmers running condi pu dire/trailblazer

SoS = bunch of people afraid to fight / dodge fights / ignore red dots on the map / no map awareness

Maguuma = every single people runs dire/trailblazer condi scrub build.

SBI = same as maguuma but more with blob Lol

Anet should nerf those dire/trailblazer gear being extremely cheesy in wvw.

Because condition builds can stack up crazy toughness/hp using those gear while not sacrificing any offensive stats makes them extremely tanky while doing so much condition bomb

Its not the matter of player skill level or anything.

It is just unfair that power build sacrifice lot of defensive stats to boost up offensive stats while condition build doesnt, which means those builds are extremely forgiving to play even with mistakes

And It synergize crazy with some of profession traits like mesmer PU and it ends up most of people running those kind of build with dire/trailblazer gear in wvw and all they do is trolling people which makes wvw boring to play.

KhainPride.3987:

Cecilia.5179:

Idk man, I saw a warrior the other night running gs and a/sh, and he was unkillable 1v1. My Scrapper couldn’t even scratch him. I ended up needing help from a pug to bring him down, and even that was really close. So much regen.

What server was this warrior from?

Also first of all, berserker is the easiest class to play right now and survive on. Every noob warrior is playing it and get carried by AoE arcing divider granting them 3 stacks of adrenal health with a fast aoe.

Nerf adrenal health to 1 stack per burst during berserker mode.

Secondly, our mobility needs complete overwork. Most classes can go out of combat on will and demand. Make skills like rush and savage leap cast faster and go from point A to B much faster.

Make warriors sprint grant 33% movement speed instead of 25%.

A person with swiftness will travel same or more distance than a warrior with 25% movement speed while using whirlwind and rush to cover ground.

Are u serious?

Warrior already has the best mobility hands down heavy armor.

so many people already abusing that mobility to troll people in wvw like Cerby does.

makes me sigh when i see warriors spam that laugh and abuse that high burst mobility to run off hp full and then engage again.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

You’ll never kill anyone with a power build other than “uplevels” and the “baddys”. You’re best solution is to go full condition damage.

As long as ArenaNet favors bunker builds and nerfing power builds, you’ll just have to find an effective way to bypass all the tanky stats — that is using condition damage built around poison.

LOL

best comment ever i’ve seen 2016 lol!

TallBarr.2184:

Please add the option: “remove alpine entirely and replace with superior desert”

that would win the poll with huge marginal so wouldnt even need a poll, make it happen.

Desert has no chance against alpine at all

just hope anet give us both maps or say good bye to desert forever

Why cant we just have both alpine and desert bl?

That would be win-win for everyone.

Knob.6835:

Ben K.6238:

Fuzzion.2504:

Knob.6835:

I don’t understand how “you people” can’t compromise. Everything has to be your way. There are other people who play this game and do not share your opinion.

You mean 5% of the wvw population that actually liked DBL ?

At least 30% actually. Poll coming up in two weeks. Watch and learn.

5% lmao…. Do you actually talk to people in game or do just assume everyone is just like you. Well enough arguing about the view points of a whole community in which no one knows. The poll will settle this age old question. Then people who don’t agree with the results can qq about how it doesn’t represent the community.

If u guys actually make a poll about alpine vs desert

Trust me u will never ever see desert in the future lol

Majority people agrees alpine > desert hands down

Teraphas.6210:

casantis.3106:

But if they let you choose the map, the DBL will be deserted… the minority likes them.

Honestly I doubt many people ever gave the map a chance. It was being bagged on when they did the beta for desert and the maps were empty because apparently only a small portion of the invites went out. And necro and a few other classes had crazy bugs show up during the beta and seeing how popular the well build was at the time the first time you used shroud making all utilities go away for the rest of the match was serious.

Ever since then desert has had a bad rep and that was before the masses got to it. They heard it was bad and they believed it. Not that the oasis bugs helped either.

Simply put unless you were playing desert in its final form those 10 days before rediculously tiny alpine returned people shouldn’t bash desert. Desert may not be ideal but I like it far more than the stumble upon tactics of alpine

Not because they’ve heard it was bad and believed it. IT IS JUST A BAD MAP

Seriously I dont wana play again on that desert BL

just leave alpine there and add another desert bl so people can choose.

Majority of people wants ALPINE NOT THE DESERT BL

Interesting build ;O

Which would be better overall ? Both Damage and Sustain wise

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZEQNAoaVn0MBFmilOBGOB8PhFYCTLBEA2NzdwTYL0LNcGaDA-TVCEABurPggHAg/q/8wRAoJlfGcCA6SJ4+7PAwhAIAwBwvFuv/G45lXe5lXunH+5nH+5RBhWA-w SCRAPPER RUNE BUILD

OR

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vZEQNAoaVn0MBFmilOBGOB8PhFYCbuDeCbhephzQbQLBEA2NA-TlCEAB+r+BgKBJ4BA8z+DGcCAaS5n76DA4QAkoKIPcEACAgA8bCnv9Ngje0je0je0euwduzFuzFFEaB-w WURM RUNE BUILD

Let me know ur opinion guys thanks.

TheGrimm.5624:

Allow players to choose. Don’t restrict us. Give people all maps as options at all times. People like different maps for different reasons. Keep as many as possible. Normal decay will remove players overtime. Don’t force any out that you don’t have to.

Lol.

We already chose the map. Why do u think old alpine map is back?

Do u actually think anet will replace old map over new designed map without any reason?

I dont even understand why u talk like u are the majority because majority wants the alpine not the desert.

troll build

u will never kill decent player with this crap. Maybe u can kitten them off but thats about it.

EremiteAngel.9765:

honestly, BG is owning mainly because ND guild returned to BG.
Any server that ND joins, you can be sure that they will become twice as strong.

10 ND members led by Hasax can take out 2-3 times their size easily.

Are u sure about this?

Because i often see them in sPvP too and they are so bad.

I even saw this ND necro using teleporting hack or something and yet still lost

Puck.9612:

Jong.5937:

We only had one week of active play in DBl and all I can do is repeat the discussion that has been going on here ad-nauseam – people’s experiences differed. We had a very interesting 10 days on the DBls before they were swapped out. I’m not an ABl hater, I’m very glad it’s in rotation, should have been from the start, but the DBls were not as you described here, at the end.

We had good fights that were won and lost for all 3 keeps, on the new, improved maps, when people had returned. I think there is just a lot more work to be done to understand the best strategies for the new maps, when everyone knows the ABls backwards. Personally I think that’s good, but it’s clear not all agree.

We only had 1 week of active play for a few reasons.
When they were released and people spent several weeks getting to know the maps, so many were disgusted with them to the point that they would only play in EBG or quit playing all together. This led to 6 months of the map being dead.

They literally cut the number of servers in half and at the same time started showing the first real interest in WvW in years, resulting in huge EBG queues.

Players that had completely quit started returning to the game because they heard the alpine was returning, and the massive EBG queues left them with the choice to either play crappy eotm or crappy dbl.

THIS

DESERT BL was one of reason that so many wvw players ended up leaving/quitting gw2 or stopped playing wvw or only plays EBG.

yea i know its always great to try new maps but DESERT BL IS NO

revert desert bl over alpine again and see what happens i bet everyone will quit playing and this time they wont be returning again.

best idea would be adding desert bl as an extra so we can play both alpine and desert since some people wana play on desert as well. (though i wont be playing desert bl unless there is a huge change)

“For the last 6 months, I’ve been told daily by players how great and well designed ABL is/was.” – Tyler Bearce, Game Designer ANET = WELL SAID

Svarty.8019:

The campaign starts NOW!

The Alpine maps are too small, simple and boring. Please can we have the Desert maps back?

Lol what?

There is a reason why anet replacing old alpine map over desert bl

lot of people agree (including my self) that alpine is way better than desert bl x 10000

seriously that desert bl is so crappy that no one hardly played on the map except the minority and ended up most of people playing on EB and i dont want that happen again.

and no i dont want the rotation either maybe i suggest anet should make whole new desert battle ground separately along with alpine eotm and ebg but i highly doubt anyone would play on desert bl over alpine except the minority of people.

why not play eotm? its pretty much similar to desert bl

Pvp rank doesnt mean kitten

play few weeks and u can even get up to legendary division

I dont even know why some people thinks pvp rank = omg i am so pro

Good thieves/Daredevils will never lose to a necro/reaper unless they make mistakes or they are not skilled.

Yes! Please bring back the old Alpine WVW Map !!!

I never enjoyed playing on desert BL after the patch and i am pretty sure majority of people will agree that alpine > desert anyday.

MadVisions.4529:

But i’m already bored of headshot spammer pulmorarity inpact tryhards. just saying.
not like i was enjoying to fight paladin druids or scrappes or even precision strike heroes but this last piece of shlt badly designed trait is driving me insane.
GJ ANet! also decent changes on season #2 patch u’re in my debt forever as allways…

Sounds like u got rekt hard

stop raging QQ and l2p

Druid is sooooo good

I was playing lb/staff druid and it was ridiculously strong with crazy healing sustain

yet i see so many ranger/druids QQing asking for more buffs.

should be thankful cuz rangers were total garbage like 1~2 years ago.

Now they are in the good spot. If u still think it needs more buff L2P or just uninstall.

Zodryn.4216:

Instead, why not make CnD blind baseline, replace Concealed Defeat with the falling damage mod along with the Deception cooldown reduction, and replace Cloaked in Shadow with a new GM.

+1

Frank.3791:

Im planning on using my thief for pve and wvw. For wvw build calls for pack, pve scholar, im too cheap to buy 2 sets of armor for the 2 gamemodes. So which of the 2 would be best for both?

Thank you to those that respond!

Pack is better for wvw.

scholar if u ever want to run full zerker dual dagger backstab signet build.

akaCryptic.2389:

I keep running into these guys, all they do is press 3 and dodge , repeat sequence. Impossible to stunlock or catch. Their damage is not best but man are they one of the most stupid builds out there right next to PU condi mes…

I try to ignore and go the other way, but they perma cripple me and /laugh.

What do?

They are super easy to kill.

run -condi foods along with shadow arts d/p and they become free kills

Condi thieves can easily gain high toughness/vitality which has better sustain/survivability than power thieves which means its more generous upon mistakes, but power build which could lead u to instant death with a single mistake.

Which also means power build requires more skills and attention to play effective. while condi thieves (p/d and d/d) generally just spam death blossom or shadow strike make few mistake trolling around and u can still survive. But spamming heartseeker or shadow shot or trolling around on power build is best way to die quick.

Druid is even more op due to massive healing sustain + mobility and crazy pets

Run D/P run SA /problem solved.

ezpz condi thieves free kills.

That video shows great way to troll with druid/ranger with no skills required.

extremely boring and easy plays

run → kite → heal → let ur pet do all damage → run → kite → heal

druid healing needs nerf

Supreme.3164:

StickerHappy.8052:

MidoriMarch.8067:

StickerHappy.8052:

Laraley.7695:

StickerHappy.8052:

To all the naysayers, It can:

Competitive Team match right here.

http://imgur.com/PBIQres

It does a lot more than focus:

why do people like focus? Invuln. Thats it.

More healing for team support. Water 4 and 5
Reflects check? CC check. Air 4 and Water 4.
Boon sharing? Check.
Conditions? Check. Lots of bleeds and burns plus those blinds.
Water fields? Check.

Whatever focus can do, warhorn can too.

Fire field = Fire 5
CC =Water 4 and Air 4
Aura = the loss of fire aura from Focus get replaced by magnetic aura on WH, still fair trade.
Blast finisher = Earth 4, lacks 1 from Focus Earth 4

So bottom line:

Focus only steps up ahead with 1 extra blast finisher, 1 condition clear and 1 Invuln. Pro players use it, that’s why everyone flocks to it
Warhorn offers more for the team like AoE healing, Water fields, AoE burns and bleeds and blinds.

One glaring problem of warhorn is the clunkiness is of the skills, and yes Warhorn could use some rework.

You’re comparing wrong things.

You want more offense? You play dagger.
You want more defesne? You play focus.
You want more support? You play staff.

Warhorn is clunky, its boonsharing sucks and the damage from it is not all that great. No one plays it simply because it’s inferior to other offhands.

Winning a game with warhorn doesn’t mean anything and it definitely not proves it’s better than other options ele has.

Wow this guy. Cherry picking much?

When did I say winning a game with WH meant something?

Did you even glance at the stats?
I can post more games like this with WH.

You want more offense? Go play dagger?

• What are you smoking? I dealt almost 1m damage this match with an offhand that is subpar then you tell me play dagger? okay show me a match where you deal 1.5m damage with D/D. please enlighten me. Not solo q matches, 5v5 Matches.

Noone plays it because a lot of people suck playing any class.

Again before you cherry pick my post again, I did say WH do need tweaks and yes its clunky but I am doing VERY WELL WITH IT.

If you still refute my point on my play style maybe because I am just a better player than you?

Here are more screenies, and these are all team matches.

https://i.imgur.com/IRmLb4T.jpg

• Please do tell me if your staff can heal your allies for 700k. and do 800k damage at the same time

https://imgur.com/pfpewqT

• Stronghold match yes it irrelavant but hey “It’s that very clunky OH that I was using”

https://imgur.com/YdV15dQ

• 750k damage and 500k healing

https://imgur.com/cFOuIQe

• 5v5 match, just didn’t screenie the details, but my team and the other team was composed of forum people (kdaddy was on the other team) So if you wanna know if this is a legit match go ask them

So do you want more proof? I can post more.

Please come back at me if your FA burst ele can do 1m damage in competitive 5v5 Match and do 400k healing at the same time. Please.

“Damage from Warhorn is not that great”- Laraley

okay….

Are u serious? Lol

go try vs d/f ele with d/warhorn u will get ur kitten rekt like a joke

focus > wh everysingle way in pvp/wvw

Oh trust me, I fought a lot of good eles.. oh and since when was the post about Can warhorn win against X classes? Stay on topic.

Oh we all know WH is subpar comparing it to other offhands, no one is denying that, The OP asked “CAN WARHORN WORK IN PVP” and the answer is YES

These are 5v5 matches, with screens and you are still denying the fact it can’t work? Lol.
Cmon show me some screens that you deal damage as much as you heal your allies. Please.

Again, this is not solo q. I play support Earth/Water/Tempest yet i do significant amount of damage while healing my allies for a lot.

Again, show me some screens of your D/F ele kittening some people while being to support your team at the same time.

• PS: I can post a lot more screens and you ele mains here can come up with thousands of reasons why It can’t work in PvP, but I guess a lot of forum posters in general are bad in game.

That a d/f beats a d/w at equal skill level can’t be true, the first simply doesn’t offer the same level of pressure respect to the second where it can still count of good self-sustain+better pressure; the invincibility on focus is great, we all know that but the focus is just too defensive and I prefer to do more pressure. The two sets offers different playstyles and when it comes down to 1vs1, it all depends on the player skill..you can even 1vs1 with staff if the skill level allows it

One thing to remember is that focus was favoured last season because we had celestial and could somehow hold 2 , this season though, the quicker you beat an opponent…the better for you, even if you equip a focus , you won’t be able to hold 2..o better go with warhorn and have more pressure with somewhat good self-sustain still

What pressure?

Since when did d/wh provide so much pressure? d/d works more efficient if u want more pressure offensive plays and seems like u are forgetting all those CC’S and projectile reflects along with invul on focus which means u can play defensive and offensive at the same time. Equally D/WH beats D/F ? LOL!
and none of idiots just stay there and get hit by those super short range slow warhorn skills

Hunter.4783:

Templar.3418:

Only just got into pvp.

I do okay against most things but the one class I can nearly never beat is the necromancer.

Any pro tips for fighting these guys?

They seem to soak up so much damage.

Running the generic Gs/scepter and focus medi build from meta battle.

Maybe for mesmer also?

An equally skilled reaper will DESTROY you 1v1. Do not bother trying to hold a cap vs a necro. You will die in about 10 seconds,

People suggesting stuff in this thread are either amber division or simply never pvped once the expansion hit. The reaper right now is probably the strongest duelist up there with chronos, revs and druids.

Guardian is trash tier in both spvp and pve currently. On my reaper with less than 30h into it I crush guards without breaking a sweat. The easiest match up right now.

I would strongly suggest you not to bother with this class and try something else

Lol what really?

L2P because equally skilled DH shouldnt lose to a reaper.

Orion.3812:

BeepBoopBop.5403:

I’m well aware forward speed is faster. Turn with your mouse. Stop clicking your skills like you probably do too.

I do “click” skills, but only when I’m taking a dump and winning PvP via remote control with my phone’s touch screen. Get on my level, you condescending twit.

Stop QQing and go back to ur ez mode ranger forum that require no skills to play.

If u actually think thief is op, go and roll thief and see how bad u are going to get rekt

and u will never say thief is op again.

StickerHappy.8052:

Laraley.7695:

StickerHappy.8052:

To all the naysayers, It can:

Competitive Team match right here.

http://imgur.com/PBIQres

It does a lot more than focus:

why do people like focus? Invuln. Thats it.

More healing for team support. Water 4 and 5
Reflects check? CC check. Air 4 and Water 4.
Boon sharing? Check.
Conditions? Check. Lots of bleeds and burns plus those blinds.
Water fields? Check.

Whatever focus can do, warhorn can too.

Fire field = Fire 5
CC =Water 4 and Air 4
Aura = the loss of fire aura from Focus get replaced by magnetic aura on WH, still fair trade.
Blast finisher = Earth 4, lacks 1 from Focus Earth 4

So bottom line:

Focus only steps up ahead with 1 extra blast finisher, 1 condition clear and 1 Invuln. Pro players use it, that’s why everyone flocks to it
Warhorn offers more for the team like AoE healing, Water fields, AoE burns and bleeds and blinds.

One glaring problem of warhorn is the clunkiness is of the skills, and yes Warhorn could use some rework.

You’re comparing wrong things.

You want more offense? You play dagger.
You want more defesne? You play focus.
You want more support? You play staff.

Warhorn is clunky, its boonsharing sucks and the damage from it is not all that great. No one plays it simply because it’s inferior to other offhands.

Winning a game with warhorn doesn’t mean anything and it definitely not proves it’s better than other options ele has.

Wow this guy. Cherry picking much?

When did I say winning a game with WH meant something?

Did you even glance at the stats?
I can post more games like this with WH.

You want more offense? Go play dagger?

• What are you smoking? I dealt almost 1m damage this match with an offhand that is subpar then you tell me play dagger? okay show me a match where you deal 1.5m damage with D/D. please enlighten me. Not solo q matches, 5v5 Matches.

Noone plays it because a lot of people suck playing any class.

Again before you cherry pick my post again, I did say WH do need tweaks and yes its clunky but I am doing VERY WELL WITH IT.

If you still refute my point on my play style maybe because I am just a better player than you?

Here are more screenies, and these are all team matches.

https://i.imgur.com/IRmLb4T.jpg

• Please do tell me if your staff can heal your allies for 700k. and do 800k damage at the same time

https://imgur.com/pfpewqT

• Stronghold match yes it irrelavant but hey “It’s that very clunky OH that I was using”

https://imgur.com/YdV15dQ

• 750k damage and 500k healing

https://imgur.com/cFOuIQe

• 5v5 match, just didn’t screenie the details, but my team and the other team was composed of forum people (kdaddy was on the other team) So if you wanna know if this is a legit match go ask them

So do you want more proof? I can post more.

Please come back at me if your FA burst ele can do 1m damage in competitive 5v5 Match and do 400k healing at the same time. Please.

“Damage from Warhorn is not that great”- Laraley

okay….

Are u serious? Lol

go try vs d/f ele with d/warhorn u will get ur kitten rekt like a joke

focus > wh everysingle way in pvp/wvw

Heimskarl Ashfiend.9582:

I’m running 3750 armor and 21k health, mussels gnashblade for the 10% damage reduction and several sources of Protection and now instead of being able to beat thieves 1v1 and at least escape 2v1, I am down within seconds. It is exactly as described above; Basi, Steal, BS, AA a couple of times.

Utterly absurd damage increase.

With 3750 armor/21k hp u shouldnt be going down within a second unless multiple thieves burst u down at the same time.

how bad are u? Lol