Guild Wars 2

Gaile Gray.6029:

I don’t think this is a bug, but rather that it’s feedback on a system. As such, I am going to move it to the Living World forum.

Thanks for understanding.

Gaile, I have to agree with the others, I think the anti gliding mechanisms are a bit excessive. They either need range toned down, or the # of snipers shooting us down toned down. It seems a bit much as is.

Considering they have announced they are working on an expansion, I doubt it. After all, we knew about mordremoth before the expansion too, and still had LS stuff to do to get to Mordremoth before the expansion.

This seems to be following the same path. What I don’t get is, how is it that Primordus is “active.” From what I gather he was already active, just trapped underground fighting a neverending battle against the dwarves who had gone through the rite of the great dwarf.

I think it is a lovely area to collide in, and I would even like to see updrafts at it just to fly around and enjoy the view

Oh, it has a difference all right, but its a very small difference. For example, if you have a .001% of getting a precursor, it would change at 300% to .004%, which is still incredibly low.

I watched a video from someone who decided to test it, and ground out a new account with tests at 0%, and every like 50% increments or so on and recorded the results. He reported he DID see an increase in loot, but it was also marginal. As such he concluded that he thought it was worth it to raise MF when its easy to do so, and once it starts getting hard, just raise it as you move along.

EDIT: Those numbers may not be exact, its been several months since I saw the video. I’ll see if I can find it if anyone cares.

EremiteAngel.9765:

I’ve been a Reaper main for 2 years now and been doing WvW mostly.

I have to poke a bit of fun at you over this, but how have you been playing Reaper for two years when it hasn’t even been out one year yet?

I’m going to be one of the dissenters here, sort of, and say you don’t NEED HoT to compete. I have builds I’m quite happy with that don’t use the elite specs.

For example, I main mesmer, and I have a build that I use enhanced phantasm attacks to pummel my foes with, while keeping myself cloaked or heavily cloned (the latter doesn’t help against very experienced foes, but can still confuse some).

However, it needs to be said that the elite specs DO offer you more variety in builds, and that alone I think is important, power creep or no. For example, while I loved my old condi shatter mesmer before HoT, fact is my new shatter build using Chronomancer is much better.

Thing is, I don’t, necessarily, buy the entire idea that the elite specs are more powerful in every case, but they certainly are more powerful in some cases, and, as before, having diversity in build availability is a good thing to have.

Plus having access to some of those items as named above that only HoT owners can get is also a nice thing.

TL;DR – get HoT.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Yes, you’re at a huge disadvantage in PvP and WvW because of the elite specializations. Honestly? In order to compete, they’re pretty much mandatory. The power creep is definitely noticeable in PvP and WvW.

For example, I can tell when I’m fighting a free-to-play in PvP because I slaughter them in a matter of moments.

Those without the expansion are pretty much fodder for those that do have it.

A free to play player also likely has much less gw2 pvp experience, so you can’t fault that on not having HoT.

I would also like to see some pvp and wvw maps where gliding could be a part of the experience too.

I had fun slowly spiraling into Mount Maelstrom. Would look for places along the walls to land on that you couldn’t normally get to.

Also had fun gliding from the very top of hidden garden.

And btw, I agree, we need some updrafts, just for the fun of it. I’ve been advocating also giving us updrafts to get to the Wizard’s Tower, and make that a dungeon of some sort, but I sadly feel confident that will either never happen, or not happen for a very long time.

If the rest of your information is accurate, you can assume one thing at least.

If he wasn’t using mallyx, then he is almost certainly using the first trait in Corruption, Replenishing Despair. Why? He isn’t really inflicting torment, nor using demon stances. So the other two traits would be out.

Ilias.8647:

Hey there guys!

Today, early morning, I faced a Desolation Rev (Herald). The player was at Legend WvW rank but probably was a PvPer as he seemed he knew really well what he was doing and his skill usage was perfect most of the time.

While I rarely (if ever) encounter the build he used it seemed it was quite efficient. To some extend I could tell the traits/legends and weapons he used, his gear eludes me and I didn’t have the chance to ask him. So maybe someone of you can help me if you are familiar with that build (which isn’t a copy/paste from metabattle ofc).

So… his build should look like somewhat (I left empty the things I couldn’t be certain of) like this :

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vlAQNAsXmn3guNSuQ7JRboVlsP0rS4IaWJ4EdsklVFwGqIVYA-TFAhAIvFA-w

About weapons/legends I am absolutely sure he was Sword/Axe-Staff, he used Shiro/Glint and from Stability on dodge, Confusion and Burn (when used Elite) he certainly used Retribution and Corruption (along with the obvious Herald) traitlines.

I made the following assumptions :

Cause of the rather frequent poison application he should be using Venon Enhancement. Other than that he seemed to be able to maintain his health high enough and was still susceptible to heavy condi application (from a Reaper) although sometimes seemed he wasn’t taking that much damage (possibility he used Versed in Stone). I don’t think I saw any Taunts.

Still, don’t take any of these for granted!

So, anyone familiar with such build?

Josh Davis.6015:

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions, all. We’ll likely be looking at redesigning the trait entirely – maybe reincorporating some of its original functionality/direction.

Josh;

How anyone ever thought a 25% chance of putting 1 stack of torment with a 15s icd in the first place as a GM trait just blows me away. Anyone can see in an instant of reading that sentence that it doesn’t even come close.

And I have to say, I’ve been extremely disappointed for a long time now with not only this, but the removal of the condi copying functionality. I remember perfectly well what the team was saying – that it conflicts with those classes doing condi removal, and you were seeking to remove stress – but the entire revenant community howled in protest, and you guys just flat out ignored it.

you really need to listen to your player base more. I can’t say for certain, but I feel moderately confident in saying that the majority of the revenant base would STILL prefer the condi copying functionality back, or some portion of it. It’s like when the WVW team didnt listen to people, and now, finally, they are again; what does it take for you guys to LISTEN to us! Heck, it wasn’t even overpowered!

In fact, there were many excellent suggestions for many people on how it could be modified to keep the feel and reduce the conflict, but you guys didn’t really listen then either, and it’s been profoundly disappointing. I loved my revenant when it first began, but now he’s tied with engineer for the #3-4 position. Bring back some condi copying functionality on both his elite and this trait, and it might make us a LOT happier.

Just sayin’.

Although I have the typical male preference, I certainly understand the complaint, and maybe it’s time to reciprocate.

sorry, you can delete this.

I was solo Queued in nonranked pvp, and I suddenly got a message I was removed from the queue. I tried to rejoin, and I got a message about having dishonor.

WTH? I never voluntarily did anything, and not sure why I was ever removed from the queue. Like i said, I was solo, and did nothing whatsoever to earn it. no join match ever popped up, just the removed from queue message, followed by the dishonor.

StinVec.3621:

Morfedel.4165:

I have to say, in the long run, its really whichever class you enjoy most vs least. I LOVED my mesmer, never had an issue with leveling him. Hated my guardian, I only leveled him to have one of each class, and it was teeth grating.

Oh, thanks for reminding me! I forgot guardian even was a profession because I disliked it so much. I never even consider playing my midway-leveled one, let alone making another one. Heh. Oops.

LMAO my pleasure

Donari.5237:

That must have been a while ago. Permanent hair kits have been in the thousands for a long time. I think the OP was talking about how chests might have been patched this week.

It was, oh, 6 months ago maybe, and maybe he did sell it for thousands instead of hundreds. The irritating thing is the guy barely even plays, maybe a couple times a month, and me, a lifer, haven’t gotten squat lol

I have to say, in the long run, its really whichever class you enjoy most vs least. I LOVED my mesmer, never had an issue with leveling him. Hated my guardian, I only leveled him to have one of each class, and it was teeth grating.

A friend of mine got ah… I think it was an unlimited total makeover kit or something like that. From one key. Sold it for several hundred gold. He was praising RNGesus all week. the kitten. LOL

Gaile Gray.6029:

PookieDaWombat.6209:

Gaile. I honestly adore you. I do. Ever since getting to “know” you from GW1 days and events. This is why I say this with the utmost sincerity: please stop putting a target on your back for Anet. Let those making these decisions catch more of the heat. They lean on you because they know we genuinely like you.

Pookie — seriously, I’m not doing that. I guess I could have let the blog post go unremarked, not post at all on the forums to point to the reddit event. But that seems like it would be making it EXclusive, and I’d think we all want it to be INclusive, right?

If I say I’m looking forward to the update, literally no one is paying me to say that. (Yes, I get paid, but I mean no one came in here and said “Go post like you like this thing we’re doing” or, Dwayna forbid, “Go hype the build.”) Instead, I’ve been reading the update notes and seeing changes that I like, as a player, and that’s what prompted me to say something. So thank you for your thoughtfulness (and the kind words — that’s very nice!) but I’m not playing sacrificial lamb or shill here — I’m just expressing what I think, personally. And with any opinion, the usual “your mileage may vary” applies.

You may adore her, honestly adore her, but me? https://youtu.be/Ac24kittenTVM

LOL

Engel.6029:

lol at the wvwers begging for the old maps. Why not try and get the new ones fixed? I’m sure content that is almost 4 years old will bring everyone back!

While I’m not saying I like the idea of just tossing the new maps aside, I do think there were several problems. But the biggest, imho, was that it seemed much too large and complicated when trying to find opponents to fight; with the Aspine BLs, you could get to the action fairly quickly. With the desert BLs, you are having to run and run to get anywhere to get anything done, then add in the complexity of all the extra content mechanics….

I think it was basically too much, between size of map and complexity of map, making it too hard to find and engage the enemy. As such, I think that would mean a lot more editing of the desert BLs than would be easily done at this juncture.

Me, I’d rather them fix water combat so its more entertaining and bring that back to both pvp and wvw, but I suspect that won’t come anytime soon. Maybe once we finally get to fight Bubbles.

Gaile Gray.6029:

Endless Soul.5178:

Gaile Gray.6029:

….the bloomin’ glider….

Flower-shaped-fried-onion-dish glider confirmed!

Aye, right. Because that is going to happen.

Although… hmmm… food-related gliders? Who doesn’t want to soar over Tangled Depths in a glider shaped like a pulled pork sandwich or a platter of eggs benedict? ~lol~

NOOOO!!!!! :P

Sykes.1258:

I’m playing this game for a total of 1 month and i’m kinda bored and without new things to do… Probably my worst deal was buying out this HoT expasion. So does anyone knows when new content will be released?

I’m sorry, how in hell do you not have new things to do, having played for only one month total? That literally isn’t possible. There is no way you’ve done every single thing in the game in only one month.

Ragnarox.9601:

Morfedel.4165:

Ragnarox.9601:

wolfman.4358:

Everybody here who is complaining about legendries….. Seriously get a life! I recently returned to GW2 after taking a break and trying the new WoD… The fact is as follows…

Anet treats it’s customers a million times better than most MMO’s! No subscription fee required! Game quality is far above ANYTHING out there! In WoW you pay a subscription and are CONTINUALLY given crap for product! Then you get to watch as Blizzard comes out with new PHONE APPS!!! WTF???

So if the devs making new legendries gets your panties in a knot… I say again… GET A LIFE YOU SPOILED LITTLE BRATS!!!

So tell me one thing that Anet treats us better than WoW? Don’t tell me subscription cause this game do not deserve sub.

Does that mean you think WoW is better than GW2? If so, why aren’t you playing that instead?

Yes I think WoW is million miles ahead of GW2. GW2 started to spit on his Veterans and loyal players with HoT launch and keep spitting. I haven’t heard WoW cancelled something that they promised after expansion launch. And yes I will play WoW again when Legion come. Until then I will play BDO cause it beats the crap out of this game now.

Then I will repeat, as above: why are you even here?

Darkness.9732:

Morfedel.4165:

Ragnarox.9601:

wolfman.4358:

Everybody here who is complaining about legendries….. Seriously get a life! I recently returned to GW2 after taking a break and trying the new WoD… The fact is as follows…

Anet treats it’s customers a million times better than most MMO’s! No subscription fee required! Game quality is far above ANYTHING out there! In WoW you pay a subscription and are CONTINUALLY given crap for product! Then you get to watch as Blizzard comes out with new PHONE APPS!!! WTF???

So if the devs making new legendries gets your panties in a knot… I say again… GET A LIFE YOU SPOILED LITTLE BRATS!!!

So tell me one thing that Anet treats us better than WoW? Don’t tell me subscription cause this game do not deserve sub.

Does that mean you think WoW is better than GW2? If so, why aren’t you playing that instead?

Wow it’ s way better than gw2. Still milions of people play wow nowadays.

Can you say the same of gw2 ?^ Yes sure desert borderlands are the evidence.

That guy wrote right : Compare gw2 to Tera or Rift. Not with WoW.

WoW is on another level compared to gw2.

Then why are you even here?

Ragnarox.9601:

wolfman.4358:

Everybody here who is complaining about legendries….. Seriously get a life! I recently returned to GW2 after taking a break and trying the new WoD… The fact is as follows…

Anet treats it’s customers a million times better than most MMO’s! No subscription fee required! Game quality is far above ANYTHING out there! In WoW you pay a subscription and are CONTINUALLY given crap for product! Then you get to watch as Blizzard comes out with new PHONE APPS!!! WTF???

So if the devs making new legendries gets your panties in a knot… I say again… GET A LIFE YOU SPOILED LITTLE BRATS!!!

So tell me one thing that Anet treats us better than WoW? Don’t tell me subscription cause this game do not deserve sub.

Does that mean you think WoW is better than GW2? If so, why aren’t you playing that instead?

Vayne.8563:

Substance E.4852:

Vayne.8563:

Exactly. Anet is doing what they think is best for the good of the game, not the good of what is likely a very small percentage of the player base. It’s a business decision. They have as much responsibility to the majority than the do to any minority, no matter what was printed on the box.

You can’t seriously be implying that the LS would somehow suffer dramatically were these 6 people to stay on Legendary Crafting duty…

The only way this could be true is if said people were Anet’s best and brightest, which seems implausible given that the crafting system is a short stint of lore based scavenger hunting, followed by massive gold sink that is simply meant to hoover up a perceived material surplus.

We would have gotten true quests and content, rather than a system where several of the series 1 precursors are actually cheaper to simply buy off the TP than to actually craft.

If the LS team is currently 8 people adding 6 more will almost double it. Of course that would make a huge difference.

You don’t think there are 70 people working on the LS do you?

Well, Vayne, this time I have to defend what was said: anet said they had, I think it was 70 people on the expansion, 120 on living story, and 30 on the core development team as support. I may not have the numbers entirely correct, and perhaps I switched the expac and ls teams, but either way, thats what Anet itself said.

As such, while I’m very much approving of this decision, I think if they themselves say they have 70 or 120 devs on some project, we need to take them at their word on that.

TPMN.1483:

Bog Otter – always posts a well thought out and reasonable video for GW2.
He did For HOT – even though others were saying it would not be enough.

Problem is players are telling ANET – your expansion is too small.
ANET doesnt listen.

Corrected that for you. Calling someone a white knight is nothing more than an Ad Hominem attack.

Spira.4578:

Morfedel.4165:

Brown knights?

Well, regardless, I’ve admitted in other posts people have a right to be upset. I’ve posted in another thread my speculation, though, that I think the real reason Collin left was that his reach exceeded his grasp, and that he overpromised on things he couldn’t deliver, and now MO is having to deal with it the best way he can, by making some decisions for the long term health of the company, by providing what they CAN provide to the most people it will impact most.

Can I prove it? Of course not. It’s speculation, and we aren’t being told anything. But I don’t think that this decision was made lightly, as MO admitted from his first post that he knew people would be upset. I think he came on with an “oh crap we can’t deliver all this that was promised,” and now he’s doing the best he can with the crap handed to him.

I mean, otherwise, why would they have done this? For kittens and giggles?

And that’s what I’m trying to point out: ANET didn’t LIE! A lie means they intentionally made promises they knew they wouldn’t keep; to me, this strikes of their thinking they could provide things they thought they could provide and realized they can’t, at least not at this time.

So they have to make tough decisions, the kind some people will be upset with but hoping a majority will be happy with in the long run. And I, for one, believing that 16 new legendaries would only impact a very tiny portion of the community, believe that, for the time being, based on the above premise, that this is probably the correct choice.

Frankly, I think they were plagued with a lack of direction, focus, and someone at the helm with a firm grasp of what they could reasonably accomplish. That, combined with some obvious missteps like not providing a free character slot with HoT, originally making Elite Specializations far harder to get, etc, compounded the problem, and now they are trying to get themselves back on a solid foundation.

Again, speculation. But what’s the alternative? Assuming they intentionally lied, just for the heck of it? Some Machiavellian plot to get more orders by promising something they knew they would never deliver on? Frankly, I find that second scenario more unlikely.

So, in a word, I do believe they are trying to make the best out of a bad situation. I DO think it’s ok for that segment of the population that bought HoT mostly for the legendaries to be angry, but I’m really not sure there was much that could have been done.

I was a bit harsh with some earlier posts directed at the Legend Hunter crowd, and for that I apologize, but I grow so weary of the toxicity in this community. It seems like there is always someone whining about something, and my own personal opinion has always been “if you don’t like it, just go somewhere else.” I vote with my feet and my wallet. I’ve never got onto a forum to make some dramatic post about my leaving because something sucked. I just left, and started playing something else.

Anyway, I will freely admit one thing: with only 6 devs on the team, I’m not really sure how much more of an impact they could make a team that already has so many more. But, well, again, we don’t see what impact these devs could make, so maybe it will be a good thing. But I think the majority of the community benefit more from more playable content than more legendaries that only a small fraction of the people will get.

You are aware that MO was Colin’s boss, right?
You know that it was MO who was controling anet all along- Colin was simply the excited guy who was being used for various promotions ect.

Sorry, at work and can’t reply everything right now, but I can reply to this:

go check out the thread about bog otter’s video. We’ve already been discussing this, where several people now have commented on the culture of managers and middlemen: sometimes the upper tier managers don’t know whats going on because the lower tier managers LIE to them. You know, “Oh no, everything’s fine, we just had a brief delay,” etc etc.

Again, we don’t know for sure what happened, but people seem to think that upper tier managers know everything going on beneath them, and fact of the matter is, that’s not always true.

Exactly. And the point being, do you think MO would have made this decision, knowing as he did how people would be upset, as he clearly indicated in his first post, just for the heck of it? He clearly thought he had very good reasons for what he did.

Spira.4578:

Morfedel.4165:

Killdozer.5731:

evilunderling.9265:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.

Wrong. They did not advertise A, and no reasonable person could argue that they did.

There is a difference between someone selling a box of chocolates that’s half-empty and someone offering to, say, make you a chair and then coming back a while later to apologise and explain that their lathe is broken and they can’t make you a chair right now.

This is the latter, and there is nothing in their advertising that any sane person could argue contradicts that.

You are wrong, as are most white knights as they are charged with emotion and not logic. GW2 is not your girlfriend/wife as much as you want it to be, people have a reason to be upset stop trying to tell them otherwise with blatant BS.

Because if people don’t agree with you they are clearly not Just wrong but illogical too. Meanwhile people who agree with you are clearly logical and not governed by emotion.

Cherry picking there, aren’t we.

Actually, if you look at it from a completelly logical point without any emotions put into the matter you pretty much only have to answer 2 questions:
Did you get all of the promoted content?
The answer is no (0).
Did you pay for all of the promoted content?
The answer is yes (1).

So to make 0 a 1 or 1 a 0 you would either have to: Deliver the content or not pay the full price. Only then both answers will be equal.

Any kind of alteration to this logic IS incorrect and looked at subjectively.
You were totaly right when you said that there are people emotionally involved in this matter. Sadly, it is the brown knights – since they still keep defending a company that is willing to break a deal that was already stroke with their customers (who holded up their end of the deal).

Brown knights?

Well, regardless, I’ve admitted in other posts people have a right to be upset. I’ve posted in another thread my speculation, though, that I think the real reason Collin left was that his reach exceeded his grasp, and that he overpromised on things he couldn’t deliver, and now MO is having to deal with it the best way he can, by making some decisions for the long term health of the company, by providing what they CAN provide to the most people it will impact most.

Can I prove it? Of course not. It’s speculation, and we aren’t being told anything. But I don’t think that this decision was made lightly, as MO admitted from his first post that he knew people would be upset. I think he came on with an “oh crap we can’t deliver all this that was promised,” and now he’s doing the best he can with the crap handed to him.

I mean, otherwise, why would they have done this? For kittens and giggles?

And that’s what I’m trying to point out: ANET didn’t LIE! A lie means they intentionally made promises they knew they wouldn’t keep; to me, this strikes of their thinking they could provide things they thought they could provide and realized they can’t, at least not at this time.

So they have to make tough decisions, the kind some people will be upset with but hoping a majority will be happy with in the long run. And I, for one, believing that 16 new legendaries would only impact a very tiny portion of the community, believe that, for the time being, based on the above premise, that this is probably the correct choice.

Frankly, I think they were plagued with a lack of direction, focus, and someone at the helm with a firm grasp of what they could reasonably accomplish. That, combined with some obvious missteps like not providing a free character slot with HoT, originally making Elite Specializations far harder to get, etc, compounded the problem, and now they are trying to get themselves back on a solid foundation.

Again, speculation. But what’s the alternative? Assuming they intentionally lied, just for the heck of it? Some Machiavellian plot to get more orders by promising something they knew they would never deliver on? Frankly, I find that second scenario more unlikely.

So, in a word, I do believe they are trying to make the best out of a bad situation. I DO think it’s ok for that segment of the population that bought HoT mostly for the legendaries to be angry, but I’m really not sure there was much that could have been done.

I was a bit harsh with some earlier posts directed at the Legend Hunter crowd, and for that I apologize, but I grow so weary of the toxicity in this community. It seems like there is always someone whining about something, and my own personal opinion has always been “if you don’t like it, just go somewhere else.” I vote with my feet and my wallet. I’ve never got onto a forum to make some dramatic post about my leaving because something sucked. I just left, and started playing something else.

Anyway, I will freely admit one thing: with only 6 devs on the team, I’m not really sure how much more of an impact they could make a team that already has so many more. But, well, again, we don’t see what impact these devs could make, so maybe it will be a good thing. But I think the majority of the community benefit more from more playable content than more legendaries that only a small fraction of the people will get.

Killdozer.5731:

Morfedel.4165:

Killdozer.5731:

evilunderling.9265:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.

Wrong. They did not advertise A, and no reasonable person could argue that they did.

There is a difference between someone selling a box of chocolates that’s half-empty and someone offering to, say, make you a chair and then coming back a while later to apologise and explain that their lathe is broken and they can’t make you a chair right now.

This is the latter, and there is nothing in their advertising that any sane person could argue contradicts that.

You are wrong, as are most white knights as they are charged with emotion and not logic. GW2 is not your girlfriend/wife as much as you want it to be, people have a reason to be upset stop trying to tell them otherwise with blatant BS.

Because if people don’t agree with you they are clearly not Just wrong but illogical too. Meanwhile people who agree with you are clearly logical and not governed by emotion.

Cherry picking there, aren’t we.

I didn’t just write a dissertation telling everyone that they are wrong with zero fact. He self admitted he is a white knight in the very post I responded too. And this is my second post in this thread so thanks for the second half of your paragraph where you delved into fantasy very helpful.

If you want I can make some fantasies up about you as well if you like just let me know!

Snort. Fantasy? So you DIDN’T accuse him of using emotion rather than logic? I imagined that?

You go ahead if you need to, but I quoted precisely what I was referring to, and thus indulged in no fantasy whatsoever. What causes me to shake my heads is when people will attack other people, rather than their arguments, and make cracks like you did, about being emotional rather than logical, with some grand assumption that “If you don’t agree with me, you are emotional, I am logical, you are a white knight/fan boy, and I’m a realist.”

Or something along those lines. Sometimes much ruder. So, yes, I called you out on it. Because you said in your own post precisely what I quoted: no fantasy, no imagination, nada.

Finalfreefall.8247:

Morfedel.4165:

Because if people don’t agree with you they are clearly not Just wrong but illogical too. Meanwhile people who agree with you are clearly logical and not governed by emotion.

Cherry picking there, aren’t we.

What, and picking out the part of his argument talking about white knights and ignoring the part where he says people have a right to be upset isn’t cherry picking? Grow up/

Oh, I do think people have a right to be upset. But I wasn’t arguing that. I was arguing that bias swings both ways, and using accusations like fanboys and white knights is nothing more than ad hominem attacks, which is a weak argument from a weak mind that doesn’t do anything about addressing the comment someone makes.

I do think people have a right to be upset. But I highly suspect this is a better choice for the long term health of the game regardless.

As for growing up: another ad hominem attack. Why don’t you try addressing the arguments rather than attacking the arguer?

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

I suppose the biggest thing I take issue with, is that his video starts by assuming that the decision was a good one, and then defends this assertion by invoking an argument from ignorance over and over again. “Oh, you can’t say it is a bad decision because you don’t know how many people are working there already”, or “You can’t say it is a bad decision because you don’t have the metrics.” and so on. Basically, his whole video is that we are in the wrong for saying that this was a bad decision, because we cannot possibly comprehend what would be a good decision in this circumstance.

Yeah, no, I don’t buy it.

Woodenpotatoes is the opposite. Instead of using what we don’t know to assert that we cannot know, he builds on the knowledge that we do have and reasons back and forth between the points. Generally, I tend favor this approach, as I have issues to surrendering to ignorance. Deep, personal, existential issues, but issues nonetheless.

The one point he does make is that I think the community is a bit too outraged over this decision. I myself am more or less just mildly annoyed, but some people are just fuming. Social media is a bit like an echo chamber, in that the negativity keeps bouncing back and forth until it builds to the point where people start throwing bricks at peoples house. This decision isn’t that bad. But it is bad.

Except we don’t really know what’s going on behind closed doors.

Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that the real reason Collin left was because he was asked to, due to his reach overextending his grasp. He promised more than he could deliver. MO takes over, seeing the disaster on it’s way, plus knowing how controversial HoT has already been, and said, “Crap, there’s no way we can deliver on all of Collin’s promises. So what’s most important here?”

I mean, honestly, we really don’t know. What we do know is at least MO had the courage to come out and admit to us what they were doing rather than, say, let it languish without comment for some time.

Now, I’ll admit, anyone who had bought HoT with the new legendaries being a major selling point, they have every right to be angry. But MO and ANET has to look at the big picture, and if they feel that this needs to be done for the long term health of the game, well, to be honest, Legendaries really only affect a very small portion of the overall population, especially in regards to playable content.

Roxhemar.6039:

Wooden Potatoes put it in a way better way.

not really, by his own admision later on he was ranting somewhat, bog otter remained calm the entire time.

Killdozer.5731:

evilunderling.9265:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

To sum up: they advertised A, they did not provide A, and say they refuse to provide A. Therefore they falsely advertised about A.

Wrong. They did not advertise A, and no reasonable person could argue that they did.

There is a difference between someone selling a box of chocolates that’s half-empty and someone offering to, say, make you a chair and then coming back a while later to apologise and explain that their lathe is broken and they can’t make you a chair right now.

This is the latter, and there is nothing in their advertising that any sane person could argue contradicts that.

You are wrong, as are most white knights as they are charged with emotion and not logic. GW2 is not your girlfriend/wife as much as you want it to be, people have a reason to be upset stop trying to tell them otherwise with blatant BS.

Because if people don’t agree with you they are clearly not Just wrong but illogical too. Meanwhile people who agree with you are clearly logical and not governed by emotion.

Cherry picking there, aren’t we.

I have to say I think bog otter nailed it.

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Spira.4578:

Morfedel.4165:

Dinks.2478:

I’m just curious what all the “I don’t care about legendaries so I am happy” posters would be saying if this was reversed and it was their favorite content that was being nixed. The selfish rallying behind anet is disgusting.

So people have to agree with you or else be selfish?

No, but if they say “I don’t care if people don’t get what they paid for, simply because I don’t like the canceled content” then yes, they ARE selfish.

That means, sometimes, making hard decisions where some plans have to be scrapped, and thus some people end up disappointed or even angered.

They still have to do that within the bounds of ethical behavior though.

They also still have to make sure the game stays afloat.

Within the bounds of ethical behavior.

Calling it unethical is a little bit of a stretch. There’s a difference between them intentionally lying, breaking promises for no good reason, and making hard tough decisions to make sure the game stays afloat. The first example would be unethical but the second example is trying to survive and it’s not unethical in any way whatsoever

Do you honestly believe any of the Anet staff is in mortal peril?

Keep in mind, neither the game nor the corporation are living entities with consciousness. I think you are mistakenly projecting human survival ethics onto non-living constructs.

The really is no reason to get pedantic about this, you know what I meant.

Ramoth.9064:

Morfedel.4165:

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Spira.4578:

Morfedel.4165:

Dinks.2478:

I’m just curious what all the “I don’t care about legendaries so I am happy” posters would be saying if this was reversed and it was their favorite content that was being nixed. The selfish rallying behind anet is disgusting.

So people have to agree with you or else be selfish?

No, but if they say “I don’t care if people don’t get what they paid for, simply because I don’t like the canceled content” then yes, they ARE selfish.

That means, sometimes, making hard decisions where some plans have to be scrapped, and thus some people end up disappointed or even angered.

They still have to do that within the bounds of ethical behavior though.

They also still have to make sure the game stays afloat.

Within the bounds of ethical behavior.

Calling it unethical is a little bit of a stretch. There’s a difference between them intentionally lying, breaking promises for no good reason, and making hard tough decisions to make sure the game stays afloat. The first example would be unethical but the second example is trying to survive and it’s not unethical in any way whatsoever

Mike O is trying to PR you, of course he is going to tell you it is a tough decision. It doesn’t mean you should believe it. He has 70 developers working on the next half-finished expansion. Clearly he has written off this one already.

So, what, you think this is actually some kind of Machiavellian plot and they don’t have a good reason whatsoever for this decision and they are just, what, screwing with us or something?

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Spira.4578:

Morfedel.4165:

Dinks.2478:

I’m just curious what all the “I don’t care about legendaries so I am happy” posters would be saying if this was reversed and it was their favorite content that was being nixed. The selfish rallying behind anet is disgusting.

So people have to agree with you or else be selfish?

No, but if they say “I don’t care if people don’t get what they paid for, simply because I don’t like the canceled content” then yes, they ARE selfish.

That means, sometimes, making hard decisions where some plans have to be scrapped, and thus some people end up disappointed or even angered.

They still have to do that within the bounds of ethical behavior though.

They also still have to make sure the game stays afloat.

Within the bounds of ethical behavior.

Calling it unethical is a little bit of a stretch. There’s a difference between them intentionally lying, breaking promises for no good reason, and making hard tough decisions to make sure the game stays afloat. The first example would be unethical but the second example is trying to survive and it’s not unethical in any way whatsoever

Ticky.5831:

Morfedel.4165:

Spira.4578:

Morfedel.4165:

Dinks.2478:

I’m just curious what all the “I don’t care about legendaries so I am happy” posters would be saying if this was reversed and it was their favorite content that was being nixed. The selfish rallying behind anet is disgusting.

So people have to agree with you or else be selfish?

No, but if they say “I don’t care if people don’t get what they paid for, simply because I don’t like the canceled content” then yes, they ARE selfish.

That means, sometimes, making hard decisions where some plans have to be scrapped, and thus some people end up disappointed or even angered.

They still have to do that within the bounds of ethical behavior though.

They also still have to make sure the game stays afloat. Sometimes the best laid plans of mice and men, etc etc.

That being the case, though, I don’t see how 6 devs out of the couple hundred mentioned couldn’t stay where they were. But as I said, we don’t know what’s going on internally.

Spira.4578:

Not all players do both content, however, when it comes to hours spent ingame, legendaries would definitelly help in a much greater way.

For an extremely small percentage of people. Legendaries are not exactly common among the bulk of players in the game.

Spira.4578:

Morfedel.4165:

Dinks.2478:

I’m just curious what all the “I don’t care about legendaries so I am happy” posters would be saying if this was reversed and it was their favorite content that was being nixed. The selfish rallying behind anet is disgusting.

So people have to agree with you or else be selfish?

No, but if they say “I don’t care if people don’t get what they paid for, simply because I don’t like the canceled content” then yes, they ARE selfish.

Ok, I can understand that.

Let me ask you a question though. Clearly, from his very first post, Mo knew people were going to be upset. He made the decision anyway. WE don’t know what’s going on internally. Don’t you think it’s possible he was trying to make the best of a bad situation, rather than trying to screw people around?

We don’t know everything, but my suspicion is that things have not been going as they’d hoped, and they are trying to turn things around. And as such, they are making decisions that are for the best of the company and the community. That means, sometimes, making hard decisions where some plans have to be scrapped, and thus some people end up disappointed or even angered.

But it isn’t some insidious plot to crush the hopes and dreams of a segment of the population. They are, first and foremost, a business, and they are trying to make decisions that will in the end benefit the most people in the best way. That means not everyone gets what they want, and that sucks.

But as I said, I really doubt it was them lying or conspiring to shatter the hopes and dreams of the Legend Hunters. Legends just don’t influence as much of the population base as, say, more living story, more dynamic content, more expanions, etc etc.

And knowing how so many people have already condemned HoT as being too small, IE half an expansion, my suspicion is they’ve decided to make sure this one is a LOT larger, and in the meantime get some LS stuff cranking out to fill the empty space to keep the majority of us entertained in the meantime.

Was it a GOOD decision? Only time will tell. If they come out with high quality stuff, then a majority of the population base will be, with a smaller percentage still angry and unmollified – but as a business, they have to keep the majority happy, even if its at the expense of the minority.

I’ll grant you, if I was losing something I really liked, I’d be miffed too. But as I said, I’d also understand they were making business decisions for what they think will provide for the long term sustainability of the game.

The question is, can they deliver on it.

And with that, I’ll apologize to you Legend Hunters. My previous posts were perhaps a bit harsh. If I was in your position I’d probably be unhappy too. Granted, I did lose two things that destroyed utterly two builds I’d used for a long time – not the same as legendaries I suppose, but it still erked me. Still, I went on and decided to roll with the punches, and am enjoying the game quite thoroughly.

Who knows, maybe you will too.

Dinks.2478:

I’m just curious what all the “I don’t care about legendaries so I am happy” posters would be saying if this was reversed and it was their favorite content that was being nixed. The selfish rallying behind anet is disgusting.

So people have to agree with you or else be selfish?

Mike O Brien.4613:

Thanks for all the comments. I know there’s nothing I’m going to say that will make you feel better, but I’ll share some final thoughts for the night.

I said three weeks ago I’d focus on sustainability and quality. I want to reiterate the part about sustainability. Be angry about legendary weapons, sure, but how about the recent drought of content? That kind of thing happens when we spread ourselves too thin, and when we let the content development pipeline empty out so we can fight fires. What I think we actually owe you is sustainable, predictable, high-quality content. I’m making a decision that’s painful in the short-term so we can position ourselves to deliver that.

Akuni.8604:

Consider this… HoT currently has: 3 new maps (which are still buggy looking at DS) which are grindy as hell, Elite Specs which are heavy powercreep (pay to win in PvP…), a Story which is short but at least good (if you ignore the myriad of bugs f.e. in the Mordi battle), Guild halls, 2 Raids with 5 1/2 bosses, a new PvP map (which is quite unbalanced) and now only 4 legy weaps (3/4 being rarely used thanks to being underpowered or buggy)… That’s it?

I previously addressed the “half an expansion” thing, and I can point you to pages like this one and this one (https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_2:_Heart_of_Thorns), but that doesn’t matter because it’s just arguing. My job is to entertain you, not to argue with you.

I strongly believe that we will in fact entertain you. We’re a team of people who love the game that you love, and are working on things we’re confident you’ll love. But I’m not here to convince you of that, and I wouldn’t expect you to take my word for it. You can make that judgment in April, and each subsequent time we ship. I will work to make you happy, and I’ll do it by making you happy with what we ship, not with what we promise to ship.

Mo

For what it’s worth I personally have faith in your decision

Dinks.2478:

Morfedel.4165:

Dinks.2478:

Morfedel.4165:

Lord talk about rivers of tears.

Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?

I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.

And once again somebody repeats the same argument without acknowledging the 70 people working on unpaid for content while defending anet for cancelling paid for content.

I haven’t for one moment forgotten about it, but sometimes you have to make hard decisions for the health of the game

On the one hand we have a small percentage of people who really wants those currently unreleased legendaries. We have a much larger group of people who really want more content and are screaming that there isn’t enough currently that can be played. Which do you think is more important for the health of the game and the community? New legendaries benefits a much smaller percentage of the population than playable content

Furthermore as for the unpaid expansion you’re referring to, it will be paid for by the people who decide to buy it and will hopefully alleviate the disgruntled who thought hard Farms was too small. And besides, I seriously doubt more than a tiny fraction of people are harmed by thus compared to the much larger percentage that will be helped.

People have been screaming for more playable content… And you want them to remove staff from one of the teams working on precisely that.

Um, those 70 people aren’t working on the LS, they are working on the next expansion. Something without a release date or any information attached to it, something I haven’t paid for yet. So yes, I’d very much prefer they finish what I paid for instead of working on the next product and cancelling what I paid for. Legendaries are a lot of content and I personally don’t care if only 3 people make them, because I paid for it and I deserve what I paid for.

And that expansion is also playable content. I didn’t say a living story I said playable content

Ashen.2907:

Morfedel.4165:

Lord talk about rivers of tears.

Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?

I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.

Then Anet should offer partial refunds to anyone for whom the new legendaries had been a selling point of the expansion. A repurable business doesn’t take everyone’s money and then tell one group of purchasers that a decision has been made to not deliver what they paid for in order to give more to everyone else.

Well I think this would be reasonable, I’m not sure how it could be fairly implemented

Cysgod.8523:

Morfedel.4165:

Lord talk about rivers of tears.

Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?

I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.

Here it is again. someone looking at their personal preference and ideals but ignoring the big picture. making legend chasers out to be the bad guys..

We shouldn’t have to make the choice. none of you apologists get that. we already paid for both and they moved almost half the team to making another expac before they finished the one they sold us.

Honestly I think if the team consisted of only six people they probably should have left it there, but my point is I think people are making a much bigger deal about this that it should be.

if they have a deep concern over lack of playable content and they feel they need every developer possible to push it I suspect that is probably a healthier decision before the health of the game

I suppose the point is telling them they need to take developers off of future development of the expansion etcetera would be a far worse decision. legendary Chasers are not villains, but they are also in the minority of the population and expecting the rest of the players of the game to take the hit for the small percentage I don’t think is terribly reasonable

Although it is reasonable I supposed to expect anet deliver on their promises.

Let me rephrase my entire protest. I think they should have left the 6 where they were. But if it really became a matter of the health of the game and it’s a question of more Legendaries vs more playable content, I think which is better for the health of the game and the player base as a whole is pretty obvious

Mirta.5029:

Morfedel.4165:

Lord talk about rivers of tears.

Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?

I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.

and those 6 people will speed up the other 120 people working on HoT by a mile right? So much better than moving those 70 people dedicated to the next expansion, or you know, HIRING SOME MORE.

Are you saying it’s a smart idea to slow down the development of the next expansion?

Dinks.2478:

Morfedel.4165:

Lord talk about rivers of tears.

Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?

I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.

And once again somebody repeats the same argument without acknowledging the 70 people working on unpaid for content while defending anet for cancelling paid for content.

I haven’t for one moment forgotten about it, but sometimes you have to make hard decisions for the health of the game

On the one hand we have a small percentage of people who really wants those currently unreleased legendaries. We have a much larger group of people who really want more content and are screaming that there isn’t enough currently that can be played. Which do you think is more important for the health of the game and the community? New legendaries benefits a much smaller percentage of the population than playable content

Furthermore as for the unpaid expansion you’re referring to, it will be paid for by the people who decide to buy it and will hopefully alleviate the disgruntled who thought hard Farms was too small. And besides, I seriously doubt more than a tiny fraction of people are harmed by thus compared to the much larger percentage that will be helped.

People have been screaming for more playable content… And you want them to remove staff from one of the teams working on precisely that.

Lord talk about rivers of tears.

Let’s talk about what’s the best thing for the game, we’re only a small fraction of people have legendaries but everybody plays content. What do you think is more important for the masses as a whole?

I am not saying they should have canceled legendary development, but if it’s coming down to a matter of more content or more legendaries, I think it’s pretty clear that more content is more important for the player base as a whole.