Guild Wars 2

Greens… the minor sigil usually sells for like 20c. not really worth spending 61c for a better chance at getting it. now, there are some more expensive minor sigils and runes. I doubt you’d see many of them, otherwise they wouldn’t be expensive. the socket would have to be worth more than 1s to merit using a MSK on it (80% vs. basic’s 20% = 60 difference. 61c cost / 0.6 = 1s02c)
that leads me to another reason why you should only use MSK on rares. at least only rares with a socket, as all rare sockets are major runes/sigils which are worth ~4s.

white/blue/green) crude has a 10% chance of promotion, basic has a 12% chance. say you’re salvaging for mithril and only 1 ore/salvage (10% chance of ori). if you use a crude kit, that’s 40cx0.9 + 5sx0.1 = 86c. if you use a basic kit, that’s 40cx0.88 + 5sx0.12 = 95.2c (a 9.2c increase).
crude costs 2.13c per use and basic costs 3.52c per use (1.39c difference) so by using basic instead of crude, you make 7.81c more per salvage.
this is the best-case scenario. most salvages, the promotion is not much more expensive than the base. For all of those, crude is slightly better. However, we are talking like 1c per use here. even after 1,000 salvages, that’s only 10s less. the convenience of 25 charges instead of 15 probably makes up for that, depending on your opinion.
so, white/blue/green: crude or basic or copper SoM

rares level 67-) I would sell these on the TP or throw them into the MF with other low level rares, then probably salvage what comes out for ectos.

rares level 68+) If you have free mystic forge stones, use mystic salvage kits on these. If not, use master salvage kits. currently, the only reason you would want to use a BLSK on this is if you put a really expensive rune/sigil in it.

exotics) check the TP price of the exotic and what it is socketed with. If the item sells for more than the socket, sell it. If the socket + potential inscription/insignia sells for 12g or higher, use a BLSK on it. If the socket + potential inscription/insignia sells for less than 12g, use a MSK on it.
If you are overflowing with BLSK, I would still only recommend you use BLSK on expensive sockets – how expensive depends on how many BLSK you receive. You don’t want to use them all on 2g sockets then not have any when you do get a super-expensive one.
why 12g? at 17g/100 gems, BLSK cost 2g per use. It increases the chance of recovery from 80% to 100% so 20% of the socket’s value needs to be at least 2g to merit it’s use. 2g / 0.2 = 10g. I say 12g because BLSK also slightly increases how many ecto, inscription/insignia, and GoDM you get. I did the math on another post a few months ago (the gem price back then was about 12g80c)
In general, the limit is at 70% of the price of 100 gems. 17g * 0.7 = 11g90c

couldn’t agree more. 60c per use would put it in line with the copper SoM (only a few percent lower than what it replaces, so would take 10 years to recoup the cost). As is, there’s no reason to use it. no one gets enough rares that they can’t visit a merchant before they need to.

~grumblegrumble~
mystic kits are NOT 10c per use. at current prices, it’s closer to 10s per use. which puts silver SoM at 1/10 that price. the only reason you’re saying 10c is because you don’t salvage enough rares. in which case, why do you care?
more importantly is that it costs more than the master SK (61c per use). If the silver SoM cost 60c per use it would be perfect.

it usually doesn’t matter, but might come up (if you want to do wvw, for example): what server did you join?

we have a winner!
actually, that would probably be pretty good to farm. since these bags are so expensive, and in my mind they drop like candy from a hotdog stand at that location, you can probably make some serious coin. but only for a little while before you get too high a level. any idea what the level range would be? 16-24?
come to think of it, I bet it drops from any skritt if the character is that level? so level 20 character killing level 30 skritt? except that is hard to do anywhere except wvw.

Eggman.1405:

Yes and no… to be really accurate, you do need 1000+ as you point out, but just to get a “good enough” idea of the expected value you only need to be in the hundreds. When you have 100 of everything you get a good baseline of what warrants going up to 1000, and that points you to what to push for 10,000. Of course, supply is also an issue, so even if I really wanted 10,000 of every bag, getting them is going to be a very slow process unless I’m willing to dump a lot of gold at the problem. Even though there appears to be no supply for this bag, if I started putting in 1g buy orders I could imagine that they would suddenly start falling into my lap. Hehehe actually if I had money to throw around I might consider trying that experiment some day. If you notice the price of this bag suddenly spiking to 1g, it’s probably me.

yes and no. Skritt bags are notorious for dropping a LOT of different items. Medium Bag of Skritt Shinies, for example, can drop 36 different materials. Some of those have as low as 0.2% chance to drop (1 every 500 bags). 100 bags will give an idea, but I doubt you’ll even see everything that is possible to drop from them. Still, it’s a start.

might I suggest testing it on something that won’t give ore and wood? would be easier to record and less confusing to quick readers.
Hammer, Harpoon Gun, Spear, Axe, Mace, Pixtol, Rifle, Shield give ore and wood.
long bow, short bow, staff, trident, scepter, torch, focus give only wood
greatsword, sword, dagger, warhorn give only ore
from a cost and return point of view, I would recommend trident, long bow, short bow, or staff. They give the most materials and generally aren’t overpriced.

mystic kits… currently they either cost 10.5c per use or they cost 10s per use.
With so many forge stones falling out of achievement chests, 90% of players get enough to make all the mystic kits they need (I salvage more rares than the average person, and my stone income is higher than my mystic kit usage). So because of this, mystic kits are hella cheap at 10.5c per use.
however, they technically do cost gems. And if you either don’t get achievements or salvage a lot of rares, you would have to buy forge stones in order to make mystic kits, so then mystic kits cost 10s per use (with gems at 17g -> 100 gems).
I think you can’t just blanket say that they cost 10.5c.

either way, you don’t price it for the gem store item. you price it for the vendor item: master kit. silver SoM should be 60c per use.

btw, have we tested that silver SoM has the same returns as master and mystic? (remember when copper SoM was broken and had similar returns to master kit?)

I’m pretty sure if you bind eternity you will get sunrise , twilight, dusk, and dawn unlocked in your wardrobe. Eternity is so cheap because people want those other 4, then recoup some of their cost.
Just buying it won’t do anything, you have to remove it from the market via account-binding, selling to a vendor, salvaging, or throwing into mystic forge.

Wanze measured (1000 salvages each):
crude = 10.5%
salvage-o-matic = 12.5%
basic = 13%
fine = 12.3%
journeyman = 15.1%
master = 15.1%
mystic = 17.8%

Ayrilana.1396:

FGS champ train. Is WP cost included in the gold/hour calculation?

You know, I don’t believe it is. That’s one of the few parts of this that I didn’t directly test myself; I just included it because it’s a viable thing to do. I went off other people’s reports, and I doubt they included WP costs (they probably just counted up their bags and loot). It’s a fairly short distance, but still each jump would cost around 1s50c x 3 WPs = 4s50c. Each lap takes maybe 10 minutes? probably under that. If 6 laps/hour, then WP costs will be 27s. Out of 5g, that’s not a big deal.

it’s closer to: base 10% chance of higher tier, then crude adds 0% to that, basic adds 10% for a total of 11%, master adds 25% for a total of 12.5%, etc.
Wanze’s link was a wonderful discusson on this.

4) Luck Salvaging

• I call it luck salvaging because you will get tons of luck from it (it’s the most profitable way to max your magic find), but really you’re salvaging whites, blues and greens.
• The plan is to buy order massive amounts of cheap items and salvage them and sell the basic materials that come out.
• This takes a long time to order, a long time to salvage, a long time to organize your bank, a long time to sell, and a long time to consume the luck, but is fairly profitable (up to 1s/item).
• It helps to know the average material drop rates:
  Long Bow / Short Bow / Staff / Trident = 1.85 wood logs
  Scepter / Torch = 1.1 wood logs
  Focus = 1 wood log
  Hammer / Harpoon Gun / Spear = 0.9 wood logs + 0.9 ore
  Axe / Mace / Pistol / Rifle = 0.6 wood logs + 0.6 ore
  Shield = 0.5 wood logs + 0.5 ore (sometimes give wood planks)
  Greatsword = 1.8 ore
  Sword / Dagger / Warhorn = 1.2 ore
  heavy coat = 2.45 ore
  heavy other armor = 1.35 ore
  medium coat = 3.1 leather sections
  medium other armor = 2.1 leather sections
  back piece = 2 leather sections
  light coat = 3.1 cloth scraps
  light other armor = 2.1 cloth scraps
  Amulet / Ring / Accessory = ?? ore (I haven’t tested this yet)
• Also helps to know level ranges:
  green wood 1-20, soft wood 16-33, seasoned wood 31-48, hard wood 46-63, elder wood 64-80
  copper ore 1-23, iron ore 19-55, platinum ore 49-62, mithril ore 63-80
  rawhide leather 1-18, thin leather 16-33, coarse leather 31-48, rugged leather 46-63, thick leather 61-80
  jute scrap 1-18, wool scrap 16-33, cotton scrap 31-50, linen scrap 46-63, silk scrap 61-80
• It’s easiest to search for each item type in a given level range, one at a time. Look up the sell price for each material, figure out the maximum you should pay for each item type, then buy order all the ones cheaper than that.
• Some Salvage Kit info:
  Crude: 2c/use, ~10% chance of promotion, ~5% chance of socket
  Basic/SoM: 3c/use, ~11% chance of promotion, 20% chance of socket (use if socket > 9c)
  Fine: 11c/use, ~13% chance of promotion, 40% chance of socket (use if socket > 40c)
  Journeyman: 32c/use, ~14% chance of promotion, 60% chance of socket (use if socket >1s)
  Master: 61c/use, ~15% chance of promotion, 80% chance of socket (use if socket >1s47c)
  Free Mystic: 10c/use, same as Master (use if socket > 12c)
  Black Lion: ~2g/use, ~17% chance of promotion, 100% chance of socket (use if socket + inscription/insignia > 70% of price to buy 100 gems ~10g)

5) Bags

• A lot of bags (not all) are profitable to buy, open, sell ingredients.
• The wiki is decent at giving drop rates, but not great – it’ll at least give you an idea what kind of items to expect from each bag.
• Best I can suggest is to try a few hundred of a bag, record how it goes, if it goes well, buy more.
• This is fairly time consuming, as ‘profitable’ bags will likely give less than 1s profit per bag.

6) Precursor Crafting

• One thing to keep in mind: sample size. It’s only a gamble if you do a statistically insignificant amount of it. With a large enough sample size, you will receive the average.
• Find a precursor that sells for a lot, and the items that go into the forge to make it are cheap. Expect to pay a LOT (10,000’s of gold), then sell a lot of precursors. Not all at once, because you can sell the precursors as you make them, but you do need a large initial investment.
• Some sources of ingredients: TP, crafting, forging lower tier items.
• Don’t blindly throw weapons back into it. Sell the expensive ones on the TP and use that cash to buy more than one cheaper one.
• Some numbers I’ve found that other people have reported (reddit’s Nugkill): 1 in 128 attempts produces a precursor from exotics, 1 in 782 attempts produces a precursor from rares – these numbers appear to be constant regardless of which precursor.
• Each forging will take the average level of the items thrown in and add 5-12 to that, with a small chance of a lower level. As such, you need to throw in items with an average level of 75 to have the highest chance of a level 80 coming out. Only a level 80 product will have a chance of a precursor.

TLDR: All of these require time and effort; they are complicated and there is no short cut. If you’re not willing to do the necessary work, I recommend you do something more straight forward, such as Champ Train, Dungeons, or World Bosses. Pretty much all the stuff in Section C) Producing your own gold / farming

That’s everything I can think of. If you have find an error or have comments about this, or have suggestions, let me know!

Edit #1 for formating 8/27
Edit #2 to add table of contents and C6 and other editing 8/28
Edit #3 clarified BLSK use formula + which kit to use 9/8
Edit #4 added the investment recommendation amounts 9/21

3) Ecto [and Inscription/Insignia] Salvaging

• Buy level 68+ rare and exotic items, salvage, sell ectos.
• It helps to know the drop rates:
  Rare with MSK gives 0.875 ecto
  Rare with BLSK gives 1.25 ecto
  Exotic with MSK gives 1.27 ecto
  Exotic with BLSK gives 1.66 ecto
  Inscription/Insignia with MSK has 42.55% chance
  Inscription/Insignia with BLSK has 60.88% chance.
• With the high price to buy gems with gold, BLSK is very rarely worth it. I made a formula for deciding when you should use BLSK:
  If 1.41 x socket_sale_price + 2.66 x ecto_sale_price + 1.35 x inscription_sale_price + 5s > price_per_100_gems, use BLSK, otherwise use MSK
  For a gem price of 17g / 100 gems and 40s/ecto, that means the socket and inscription combined need to sell for at least 11g73s (after TP tax).
• “BLSK” = Black Lion Salvage Kit
• “MSK” = Master Salvage Kit or Mystic Salvage Kit. Master is far cheaper (61c vs. ~10s each use). However, you get so many free Mystic Forge Stones from achievement chests that you should use those instead (it’s the best use for them). Free Mystic kit > Master kit >>> paid Mystic kit
• For salvaging rares and exotics, I would recommend against using anything less than a master kit, see Luck Salvaging below for reasons
• You could make the argument that you could use free BLSK on anything as it didn’t cost you anything, but I still would not recommend it unless you are literally overflowing with BLSK or accumulate far more than you use. Save them for something expensive. My reason is that you get the most profit from using BLSK on the super-expensive items, so to use it on anything less than that is less profit; better to just hold onto it until you have an expensive item to use it on than use it and not have it when you need it. With free BLSK, on a 4g exotic, MSK might give you a 1g profit and BLSK would give a 2g profit, but on a 20g exotic, MSK might give you a 5g loss and BLSK would give a 5g profit.
• One method of making gold is to buy rares and salvage them. And easy way to do this is first calculate the minimum price to buy a rare: 40s (sell price of ecto) * 0.85 (TP tax) * 0.875 (ecto drop rate) = 29s75c (max price you should pay per rare). So the lower below 29s75c you spend, the more profit you’ll make. Finding which ones to buy can even be as simple as to go on the TP, search for all rare items, sort by price, buy everything below 29s (buy orders will cost less than buying instantly). I usually consider the basic material and sigil/rune a bonus. On rares, I normally see 1-10s/salvage profit. On exotics, I normally see 10s-1g/salvage profit.
• Some items drop expensive sockets. The only way to know which these are is to look at them, maybe write it down. Sometimes the name will have the socket in it, but other times it won’t.
• Inscriptions can drop from exotic weapons with the stats of Soldier (Ptv), Rabid (Cprt), Dire (Ctv), Cavalier (Tpf), Sentinel (Vpt), Shaman (Vch), or Magi (Hpv). This includes most named exotics. They do not drop from crafted items (Pearl, Quaggan), or from any of these: Guild Defender, King’s Remembrance, Poyaqui’s Noggin, Occultist Flame, Scepter of the Highborn, Defiant Blaze, Faithful, Monsoon. All dungeon tokens except CoF have exotics that can be salvaged to get inscriptions.
• Insignias can drop from exotic weapons with the stats of Soldier (Ptv), Rabid (Cprt), Dire (Ctv), Cavalier (Tpf), Sentinel (Vpt), Shaman (Vch), or Magi (Hpv). This includs named exotics. They do not drop from crafted items (Draconic, Emblazoned, Exalted). All dungeon tokens except CoF have exotics that can be salvaged to get insignias.
• When you salvage exotic items, you might get a Glob of Dark Matter. The drop rate from exotics is somewhere around 50% chance to get one (I think it’s a little higher with BLSK than MSK, but I have not done research on these). Globs are worth around 1g/glob. The way to utilize them is to make ascended inscriptions. There are 19 inscriptions, and about 10 of them give about 10-12g profit (~30%). It’s not always the same 10, so check spidy before you make them. It’s better to spread out and make several different ones, but the recipe to make each one costs 21k karma, so don’t spread out too far. Ascended Insignia are not nearly as profitable.

Section D) Converting other currencies
1) SP

• You get a choice: fast / easy, and low exchange rate or slow / complex and high profits.
• The highest g/SP is usually from promoting T1 basic refined materials to T2 (around 1-3g/SP), but it’s very hard to convert lots of SP (to promote 100 stacks (25,000), it takes only 20 SP, and gives about 35 stacks of T2 mats to sell).
• There are a lot of Mystic Forge items that use Eldritch Scroll. The non-‘Mystic’ ones usually give about 40s-80s/SP profit.
• Making a legendary to sell is another option, but this requires other currencies, so I would only say that gives about 1g/SP (see “Map Completion” below).

2) Karma

• Again, fast and inefficient or slow and efficient.
• Again; legendaries. Including other currencies, 20-40s/1000 karma (see “Map Completion” below).
• Crafting Beaded weapons gives about 20-45s/1000 karma (but take a long time to purchase and sell and require an initial gold investment).
• Buying bloodtide linen armor, throwing it in the MF, and salvaging the output gives about 8s/1000 karma (@ 5s/linen scrap), but takes a while to buy and MF (See “TP Trading / Luck Salvaging” below for salvaged material drop rates).
• Buying lost orrian jewelry boxes is the easiest and fastest but only gives about 3.5s/1000 karma.

3) Guild Commendations

• As mentioned above under “Producing your own gold / Guild Commendations”, Sentinel’s Inscription/Insignia is your only method.

4) Dungeon Tokens

• Buying level 68+ rares to salvage for ectos gives about 1s30c / token (@ 40s/ecto).
• Buying exotics and salvaging for inscription/insignia gives about 1s20c / token (@ 40s/ecto + 3g/inscription + 1g/DM).
• There are also crafting and MF recipes that call for the Gifts or Offerings, you’ll have to explore these to see how well they are doing and what you have available to you for each dungeon; around 1s/token.

5) Map Completion

• Can only be used to make a legendary. My order of making a legendary for profit is: make Gift of Mastery, make Gift of Fortune, then decide which legendary will give the most profit, buy precursor and make Gift of Legendary. If you pick the right legendary, you can get upwards of 800-1000g profit.
• To decide which one to make, you’ll need to compare the cost of making each one (gw2legendary.com) to the price they sell for (gw2spidy.com). Find the top 5 or so, then hand-calculate the cost (gw2legendary calculates it as if you get a clover every time), then check the past week of sales for those legendaries and see what price they actually sell for. Because map completion is the hardest part for me, I’ll usually make two at a time; I would recommend making two different ones as they are more likely to sell. Take your time when decided which one(s) to make – it could be the difference between 500g and 900g, so spending an hour to do this is definitely worth it.

Section E) Crafting Disciplines

• If you need to level your crafting discipline for the cheapest price: http://www.gw2crafts.net/
• Almost all limited-time recipes (such as potent potions and Crown Pavilion sigils/runes) are profitable to craft, as not many people can make them.
• Usually the intermediate items (components, inscriptions, insignia, etc.) are more profitable than the final item.
• A decent resource for this is gw2spidy.com/crafting/3 (and similar pages for the other disciplines). It gives a list, sorted by profit, of everything that discipline can make. I say ‘decent’ because it uses sell listing price alone. Your profits will be a bit higher if you’re willing to wait for buy orders to come in.

Section F) TP Trading
1) Spread

• Buy order low, sell listing high. The plan here is, for example, to buy items for 1g and sell them for 2g. I recommend using a website to help you locate where these spreads are, such as gw2tp.com/search (click the ‘+’), and a spreadsheet to keep track of how much you paid and how much you were able to get for it (to see if you should flip it again).
• If you see a spread that is too good to be true (such as buy for 10s, sell for 10g), it is. You won’t be able to buy it for that price, and if you somehow do, you won’t be able to sell it for that price.

2) Speculating

• The strategy is to buy an item for cheap, wait a few months, sell it for expensive.
• Limited-time items are a good bet (Living story, holidays, etc).
• Also the black lion specialist weapons (buy items when they cost 1 ticket, sell a few weeks after their price goes up).
• Sometimes you can predict when a more common thing will go up due to an update, such as when ascended armor was coming out and people predicted T2-T6 cloth and leather to increase.
• Stay current on recent news and general trends. The quicker you respond, the more profits you can make.

I realized I was always answer the same question: “how do you make gold?”, and wanted to share some knowledge, so I decided to make one thorough walkthrough and just direct people here instead.

(TLDR at the bottom)

Section A) Table of Contents

• General Tips
• Producing your own gold / farming
• Converting other currencies
• Crafting
• Trading: Spread/Speculation
• Trading: Ecto Salvage
• Trading: Luck Salvage / Bag / Precursor

Section B ) General Tips
1) Almost always buy through buy orders and sell through sell listings. It takes longer, but it saves you gold. Also typically, undercut and overcut by 1c. The only times you don’t want to follow this are when buy order and sell listing are very close together, or the item is overpriced and you would end up relisting it.
2) Grouping several gold-producing methods together makes them more effective. This saves the 15% TP tax and gives you higher profits.
3) For how much gold you have I recommend different proportions of TP investments:
<100g = 100% instant profits (meaning you buy and sell in about a day)
100g – 500g = 90% instant + 10% long-term
500g – 1000g = 75% instant + 25% long-term
1000g – 5000g = 60% instant + 40% long-term
>5000g = ~3000g instant + rest in long-term
I would recommend you always plan to keep at least ~10g+1% on hand. This is a buffer, in case you need to pay listing fees, or relist, or you spot a really good deal, etc.
This is, of course, dependent on your preferences.

Section C) Producing your own gold (farming)
1) Guild Commendations

• Guild missions can be done once a week and take about 1-2 hours. Bounty, Rush, Challenge, Puzzle. Total, you get at least 2g, 8 rares, and 6 commendations. The commendations can be turned into Sentinel’s Inscription/Insignia and sold on the TP for ~8g. That’s about 8.3g/hour (@ 40s/ecto).

2) Daily Dungeons

• Each dungeon path gives extra loot the first time you do it each day (resets at the daily reset). Easy ones: CoF 1(2), AC 1(3), SE 13, TA UF, CM 3(1), CoE 12, HotW 1, Arah (123). About 5-10g/hour.
• Fractals of the Mists has tiers that you can each get daily credit from: 1-10, 11-20, 21-30, 31-40, and 41-50. FotM is better for account-bound loot: ascended items and fractal relics and karma, but it does give decent income as well; about 3-4g/hour.
• Edge of the Mists is similar to Fractals in that it’s better for karma and badges, but can also give a decent income, especially if you actually fight the other zergs.

3) World Bosses

• Less lucrative than they used to be, but if you hear that one is going on, go there. Can take less than 5 minutes and you get 1+ rare. That’s about 5g/hour (@ 40s/ecto), but obviously can’t be done continuously as there’s not always a world boss going on.

4) Harvesting

• Ancient wood and orichalcum are the obvious choices, but there aren’t very many of them. If you do go for these, it’s helpful to use a website such as gw2nodes.com.
• There is also Iron ore, Platinum ore, Soft wood, Seasoned wood, Hard wood. Each of these sell for over 1s, and there are hundreds of nodes.
• Some more node farming guides:
  http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Node_farm
  http://pwniversity.com/gw2/farming

5) Champ trains

• Frostgorge Sound. I hear about 5g/hour.

6) Farming Locations

• Too many to list, here’s a decent guide:
• http://www.almarsguides.com/gw2/farming/

7) Event ‘exploits’

• Every now and then someone will realize an event gives better loot when it’s not finished, or can be done quickly/repeatedly, or spawns lots of loot-dropping champions, etc. Just listen to forums, map chat, friends for what the latest one is. Rewards are usually in the 10-50g/hour range. Warning: Anet has banned people for exploiting parts of the game in the past, but the difference between ‘exploit’ and ‘use’ seems to be orders of magnitude. If you run it for an hour then go do other things, you’re probably fine. If you’re farming it 16 hours a day and yelling at people who mess it up, you could be looking at a ban hammer. I don’t recommend abusing these, partly because of the ban potential, but more so because it’s boring.

pdavis.8031:

So holding onto and selling the crafting mats (T5 and T6) would be better than using the T5s to craft and throwing the items crafted into the forge?

yup yup.
I will point out that some people get enjoyment out of gambling. If you do, gambling for a precursor might be worth it. But don’t do it because it would be cheaper – because it isn’t – do it for the fun of doing it.
for some precursors, sometimes it is profitable to craft precursors. right now, not many are

I’m in the process of adding guaranteed crafted things to this, but so far it just weighs it so crafted things are more likely to be included. crafted items cost at least 25% more if it’s saying non-crafted is cheaper. so to craft the items you throw in, it would cost closer to 1229g (if you bought them). since you’re talking about finding them, you’d still be better off selling the materials for 1044g after tax and buying the precursor.

the current cheapest combination of items to get Tooth of Frostfang will cost on average 922g to get Tooth of Frostfang. Since it currently only costs 828g to buy from the TP, I recommend just buying it.
If you do want to try your luck:
Carrion Verdant Axe of Corruption, Rare 67, buy for 18s2c
Berserker’s Iron Axe of Smoldering, Rare 80, buy for 35s11c
Berserker’s Iron Axe of Smoldering, Rare 80, buy for 35s11c
Dire Aureate Axe of Energy, Rare 74, buy for 29s78c

Fyrebrand.4859:

It is just baffling, to me, that making a vote-to-kick require more than two players is somehow a big deal. But of course, I am not a coder so I really don’t know what is involved. I’ll have to give this one the benefit of the doubt.

I totally understand why it would be. first, you have to record the second vote rather than have that second vote initiate the kick. then you have to be sure the 3rd vote wasn’t done by one of the first 2. You basically have to redesign the kicking system.
I wouldn’t expect it to take days, but I can see why it would take more than a few hours, while that debug message turned into LFG message could probably be done in minutes since it’s something that’s already in the game, that just needs to be enabled for this purpose.

I do not envy people that don’t already have this. I got it when they drastically reduced SB life temporarily (I think it was an accident? some sort of scaling issue). not only did the massive zerg kill the portals in under 4 seconds, but SB itself was killed in under 20 seconds. some world bosses used to be MUCH easier to kill.
then again… anyone remember fire elemental the first few months after release? those fire balls that hit you before the red circle appeared, hit for 3/4 of your health, had a 3 second stun after the knock back, and hit every 2 seconds? ah the good ol’ days!

could be: 90s per hour >>> 1g90s per day
could be: someone trying to scare you away from their niche
could be: someone selling 2 to a buy order that only wanted 1, so the 2nd one becomes listed at that buy order price
could be: they’ve relisted it 8 times in the past week and really want it gone
could be: they got it as a drop instead of crafting and have no idea how much it’s worth but listed it for half way between buy and sell to be sure it sells without needing to relist

so it went from way OP to UP? sadly, it will never be fixed now that it’s there. not enough pressing attention (instead of “mom, check this out!” it’ll be “what birthday food?”).

I made this suggestion a few days ago:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Dishonorable-in-PvE/first#post4321284

TLDR: If you kick a lot of people in a short period of time, you are no longer able to be in a lfg party for a few days.

I also would like to know which mobs feedback actually works on.

Asmodeus.5782:

As I mentioned in my thread on the topic, it would be great to have the number of needed kick votes increased to 3, to minimize griefing resulting from this change. Personally I always started my own dungeon parties to avoid kick-happy couples. Now there’s nothing to kep me safe. 2 votes have always been a bad idea, anyway. Not even a majority.

I would also like to see the ability to vote ‘no’ on a kick. several times I’ve had someone suggest a kick, and everyone asks “why?” then the option to kick just sits there, able to be accidentally clicked during a boss fight.

Yargesh.4965:

Take it to support the thread will be deleted if you keep it up.

I hate how true this is.

where was this said? is it already in the game or planned for that feature pack? too good to be true.

as for where, the entrance is one of those waterfalls, the one near the Crown Pavilion Waypoint in Divinity’s Reach It’s located on the left side at 9 o-clock, mid way between the middle and outside. (used to be called ’The Great Collapse")

I bumped the buy prices up to 10s yesterday for science. I’m at work atm, but looking at spidy, 26 of these might of gone through around 6 am (pacific).

edit: on second look, looks like I was actually outbid at the same time the buy order demand went down. probably more likely someone removed their old bid and put a new smaller one 1c above mine.
Eggman, looks like this might not get researched

Seera.5916:

Mystic.5934:

they get 1 debuf. nothing happens to them. they would need 4 more to even notice it. on the 4th and 5th there might even be a warning. could even include a thing where you can’t rejoin a party with that player for x number of days unless they invite you. it would take a LOT of trolls to actually do anything here, as that player would have to be trolled by 4 others within 3 days to have anything happen. If there are even more trolls, this player could just ask the other 2 players in the party to kick the jerk.
I imagine the ban from joining parties once you do get 5 would only apply to the next party, not the current party they are in.

btw: dishonorable has already been in competitive pvp for over a year. you could go troll people there if you want to prove your point.
just like how there are legitimate reasons to leave a pvp game, there are legitimate reasons to kick someone. the point is to punish those who abuse it.

Then they’ll join the group five times. Or however many times it takes to make themselves immune from being kicked.

see bolded.
also, nothing about this would make someone immune from being kicked. the only possible affect of this would be to prevent the person who is doing the kicking from being in a lfg party for a few days.

welcome
regarding professions, pick one that you like playing. all are good at everything. the only reason everyone says to go warrior is because it’s the most straight-forward faceplant profession (just run at enemy and mash all the keys) – it’s the easiest to do good in. If I were to rank the professions in ease-of-learning and complexity, I would say:
warrior (easiest / most simple)
guardian
ranger
thief
necro
engineer
mesmer
elementalist (hardest / most complex)

99.99% chance of troll
0.01% chance he is disgruntled and reported you to Anet, in which case nothing will happen to you.
0.0000000000000000000% chance he actually represents Anet
I agree that you should report him for impersonating Anet. worst thing that will happen from that is nothing.
You should also black out his name from the picture you post here, as well as in your post (in your report to Anet, you can send the non-blacked-out version). Even as a public service announcement, you’re not allowed to name people, because it would be too easy to falsely do this and ruin someone’s reputation, and start wars, etc. If you were allowed to name him, he would be allowed to name you – do you really want him able to tell people you’re purposefully feeding enemy zergs and rigging matches? I’m sure he doesn’t care about his reputation, but you probably do.

fyi: EotM is not part of WvW matches.

btw: this error is not caused by any problem. there is no cure. re-installing the game won’t help, relogging won’t help. praying to Cthulhu won’t help. It happens when you sell things too quickly (like 7 things in under 30 seconds) and is the worst implementation of whatever-it-is-trying-to-do I have ever seen.
a couple months ago, when asked about this error, a developer said “yeah, we finally found that bug, it will be fixed soon.” haven’t heard anything more about it than that.

oh, you wrote something then edited it to “never mind, I’m an idiot.”? I didn’t see that and thought you were talking about your post above that started with “79 hours, 1.795 million. There was three notable sell offs….” :P
the delay when buying is very brief and only on buy orders. you enter the amount you want, price, then click ‘Buy’ as many times as you can as quickly as you can. wood pecker-style. It might be latency that causes it? it’s also possible to keybind left-click to your mouse wheel and get a few more than 4 clicks in, though the legality of this is questionable.

Behellagh.1468:

http://www.gw2tp.com/item/13553-amethyst-gold-earring

Where the GW2Spidy reported cost is 33.68s and high bid is 33.83s. Good luck selling it at 64.74s GW2Spidy has as low sell offer for the 21s profit.

scroll down that page a bit. the supply is constantly changing, going up and down. that means it actually is selling at 64s74c. when supply goes up, 99% of the time that’s because someone listed one. when supply goes down, 99% of the time that’s because someone bought one. just in the last 24 hours, the supply went down 21 times. so 21 purchases in the past 24 hours.

superior rune of mesmer does benefit mesmer. more mesmer skills are benefitted from it than any other profession (http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Daze). it increases the daze duration of chaos storm, counter blade, magic bullet, power lock, diversion (shatter). but don’t just use it because it’s the rune of your profession – use the runes if these are the skills you want to use.
I would say this rune set is more useful in pvp than wvw. daze would be a better 1v1 ability, but wvw is usually zerg vs. zerg. in 1v1, it’s very powerful to prevent the opponent from doing anything for a few seconds. effectively becomes 1v0. in a zerg battle, it would become 50v49. not exactly a large difference.

non-berserker builds DO work well. berserker is just the simplest. If you want to run in there and just mash all the keys (faceplant), berserker is the best. If you want to live long enough to pick up loot, I recommend something more tanky. Also, conditions do VERY well against other players, just not so good against a zerg. but, again, you need to spec your entire build around conditions if that’s the route you want to go. You will be most effective if you pick 1 thing to be great at rather than 2 or 3 things to be ok at. (berserker is good at pure direct damage, but horrible at conditions and surviving)

Behellagh.1468:

It’s only profitable if someone buys it at that price.

Ignoring the legendary weapons, the two beaded weapons require a karma bought material (1575 Karma each) that you need to unlock the seller, plus it’s a pain because you need to click 75 times per Sun Bead. The high bid for those two items are in the 30-35s range.

The other four require dungeon bought items as one of the ingredients which is why the coin cost of mats is so low.

I am fully aware of this OP just wanted the highest profit. he even said he’s made Mystic items, so non-purchasables are clearly on the table with this question.
I mostly provided that to show the question needs some work. what the most profitable thing is changes every day, and the things that were profitable yesterday might be costly today. It’s sometimes worse if you make something when it’s super profitable, because then the price will just drop and drop and drop back to normal, and you’re stuck relisting it 6 times. And as you said: knowing an item is very profitable doesn’t help much when you need to run a dungeon 4 times over 2 days just to be able to make one, or need a recipe that you can only get as a rare drop. I’ll even point out that if you don’t use dungeon tokens to craft these items, you’d use them to get ectos or something, so you’d have to compare this profit to how much you would normally get, and that might make this not nearly as attractive.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

@OP: I bet if you PM most of us who have replied, we’d be willing to provide you some assistance in figuring out your investment niche.

+1

Behellagh.1468:

never mind, I’m an idiot.

I hate when I spend like 20 min writing something really elegant and referenced, then realize it doesn’t need to be said or I misunderstood what OP meant. I’m not sure why/what you’re redacting, though?

about 10 months ago I was surprised to find two of my bank characters had birthdays. fun times. this is why you should use alts for banks if you dont want to play them anymore, instead of deleting them.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Container
the fact that it’s listed under “Miscellaneous” instead of “Tier 1-2” or “Tier 2” leads me to believe it’s a special bag that doesn’t fit into normal bag drop schemes. The skritt burglar might fit this.
you could try placing buy orders for ~20s. the drastic uppercutting might encourage people to sell theirs or find a way to farm it.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Is it even possible for one person to buy 2 million of something (at 250 per click max, no?) without a macro?

yes. let’s say 1 click a second, 250 per click, that’s 8000 seconds = 133 minutes = 2.22 hours. but there’s that latency bug/feature, the one where you click buy really fast and it places 4 orders at once. with that, you can do like 4 stacks per second = 33 minutes.
When I’m placing buy orders for tens of thousands of crafting materials when I do my crafting, I just put a movie on. simple/action movies are the best so you don’t have to pay a lot of attention.

they get 1 debuf. nothing happens to them. they would need 4 more to even notice it. on the 4th and 5th there might even be a warning. could even include a thing where you can’t rejoin a party with that player for x number of days unless they invite you. it would take a LOT of trolls to actually do anything here, as that player would have to be trolled by 4 others within 3 days to have anything happen. If there are even more trolls, this player could just ask the other 2 players in the party to kick the jerk.
I imagine the ban from joining parties once you do get 5 would only apply to the next party, not the current party they are in.

btw: dishonorable has already been in competitive pvp for over a year. you could go troll people there if you want to prove your point.
just like how there are legitimate reasons to leave a pvp game, there are legitimate reasons to kick someone. the point is to punish those who abuse it.

the only way to fix it is to reduce upscaling. if more players actually made the event succeed quicker, these leeches would be better off helping and making the event end sooner, so they can then do another event.

they never change anything retroactively unless it’s a problem. usually there is a small reason for it: if they change bolts of silk to require 3 scraps instead of 2, that unfairly gives advantage to someone who refined their material early. in the short-term, it causes a bit of havoc. pretty quickly you forget it even happened. IMO, temporary upsets like that are a small price to pay for a fair and sensible game. This is also why I disagree with all time-gated crafting in this game.

Current top-6 most profitable things to craft and top-2 legendaries: (I take percent profit and actual profit into consideration; so spending 2k gold to make 500g profit is lower down the list than spending 100g to make 400g profit)

Ring of Blood – cost 50s16c, sell for 9g90s32c (1578%)
Vallog’s Demise – cost 40s85c, sell for 6g49s95c (1252%)
Koda’s Gift – cost 40s85c, sell for 6g40s62c (1233%)
The Zealot’s Amulet – cost 59s86c, sell for 7g97s84c (1033%)
Rabid Beaded firearm – cost 6s12c, sell for 83s74c (1063%)
Rabid Beaded Trident – cost 5s91c, sell for 79s97c (1050%)
The Bifrost – cost 2474g, sell for 4099g (41%)
Bolt – cost 2732g, sell for 4343g (35%)

not a bad idea at all.
decimal places might make it tricky (buying a 40s ecto for 1 gem). I’m guessing it would just give you the difference as money in your bank like how buyiny/selling gems currently does. (if you say you want to buy 1g worth of gems, you might get 6 gems, but you’ll also only spend 97s50c)

I’m not suggesting the one who gets kicked gets the penalty – I’m saying the person who suggested to kick them and the person who seconded the kick get the penalty.

And it’s 5 for a reason: sometimes there are people who deserve to be kicked, so you are able to kick them. But if you are kicking 5 people in 3 days, 999 times out of 1000, it’s you who is the problem.
Personally, I’ve only ever suggested or seconded about 20 kicks in the almost 2 years I’ve played (thousands of dungeon runs) If you are not the problem, you won’t be getting anywhere near this limit.

nagr.1593:

and other time at end of an arah path I was selling

lol! they probably never realized the real reason they were also kicked from the dungeon.