Sadly that doesn’t seem possible. Between having the ability to create minions, and the existence of a reaper which claims Grenth is still around, I’m prettty sure Grenth still reigns over death, to some extent. Now to what extent, and whether or not Dhuum has awakened and is fighting Grenth is unknown.
Yes, they know it exists, but they do not wholly understand it, which was my point
That’s what I believed as well, but it always seemed strange to me that kourna wouldn’t have some sort of navy, having as much coastline as it did. I understand that it would pale in comparison to a country surrounded by water, but I would believe it would still exist.
Charr should have been the main enemy. Undead are boring and repetitive.
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Basically, we have no proof that they built anything substantial before Eye of the North, heck even in Eye of the North what they built wasn’t anything that would last 1,000 years. Not to mention, even if they did, when the humans pushed them out, I would expect humanity would destroy the charr structures to make room for structures of their own.
Well, when you think about it, much of what we saw in the mists were corrupted fragments or the realms of gods. I mean Fissure of Woe was built to Balthazar’s liking, the Underworld to Grenth (since he changed it a bit after Dhuum was enchanted), the Realm of Torment was literally a prison for a god who went insane and warped the place to his vision, and the Hall of Heroes which was a location for the greatest of heroes. I have a feeling that places like these will eventually be released back into the game eventually, but at the moment what we are seeing are merely memories of Tyria. It may be that the other areas are impossible to get to without the permission of the gods that rule over them, or without ascension (which was required for Hall of Heroes).
Warm-sapped, remember they have sap not technical blood.
Yes, there is actually a quest about that :P J/K
And I’m just saying, until ArenaNet comes out and says that Sylvari can never reproduce and would go extinct if all pale trees were destroyed, I will hold out hope. I mean for all we know it could be a limitation to the species while the pale tree still creates sylvari, but something would trigger and allow procreation if something were to happen with the pale tree. I mean honestly if the game developers want things to be possible or impossible they will make a way, and until they state something as an outright fact I will not believe it.
Except we know that at least 1 god, Grenth, is alive, if not a little weakened.
Charr should have been the main enemy. Undead are boring and repetitive.
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Posted by: Narcemus.1348
Well, I have to point out that the charr didn’t really have any architecture that we saw in Guild Wars. Most of what they have was centered around wooden barracades, and a few towers built with wood and steel wrapping. Their architecture was relatively non-existent/basic, because it was stuff built from scrap to meet their needs then and there. And you also have to remember that this was 1,000 years later. I’m pretty sure that prior to the human occupation of Ascalon, the charr were mostly nomadic, seeing as they called it their hunting grounds.
It would make more sense for Utopia to be part of the continent to the west of Tyria, or perhaps the land to the east of Elona. Honestly we’ll not know until we go there, if we go there. But honestly it makes little sense for it to be north or south too much further as you would be growing closer to the northern and southern poles.
Well, in reality what is after death, it’s something that we on earth could never answer with 100% certainty, so why should the situation be any different in Tyria.
I had thought that was purely istani, but I wasn’t sure if Kourna kept that title for certain people as well or not.
Yes, but one has to wonder how long it takes a race to learn how to procreate. I mean the only thing that they have to go off of is the sex that they see those of other races having, but who says that this is the way in which plants reproduce? It seems quite possible that though they may have the reproductive organs that humans and other races have, these are merely for show, in the sense that their muscles and such are.
Which is interesting, seeing as if the princess came from the area now known as Vabbi, there is no sea anywhere around. Perhaps he had moved?
More than likely, in Elona the enemy will be Palawa Joko’s undead minions/some of his human armies, but for the most part I can see you fighing with Elonians against him, not against all of Elona.
Don’t forget, with the other races and their belief systems, I wouldn’t be surprised if there was someday a war in the mists to defend the spirits of the wild, or perhaps other such things. I mean we know that the Mists are vast and very varied when it comes to the environments and creatures within it. So many possibilities to consider. Like, perhaps, what has happened to the Hall of Heroes?
It doesn’t seem that Joko was the Elonian King who had his daughter stolen from him by Thorn. I did the second part of the Mad King Memoirs last night and you meet the ghost of this man in Bloodtide Coast. I cannot remember his name, but it was obviously not Joko.
Yet Tyria is also a part of the Mists, somehow. We don’t know how they are connected due to the fact that we know Tyria has some sort of spacial relation with a moon, sun, stars, etc… it could be said that Tyria is the real world, and the Mists are connected to it. Though for all we know Tyria could just be a very large realm within the Mists and the objects that we know as outer space on earth could merely be illusions, or perhaps views into the other realms within the Mists. This is all theoretical, but as of this point in time, I have figured nothing out as to Tyria’s connection to the Mists except that much of it is through portals, and furthermore, that we know of, none of the races seem to have found a way to travel in space (unless you believe the crater in Fireheart to be a satellite).
Again though, saying that they haven’t reproduced and that they can’t reproduce are two completely different things. I read that very statement.
Ah, well that is interesting, sadly I haven’t played order of whispers yet. Though in general you can’t just ask people where you are from. It would be interesting to see if perhaps someday we can visit the rest of the known Tyrian world.
gotta say, I’m not looking forwards to Far Shiverpeaks, Charr Homelands, or Elona because of Mandragors and their possible return. I sure as heck hope that they took the gargoyle route and either just disappeared, or were eradicated by the GW1 travelers due to their annoyances.
In my mind, the next strategic move would be against Kralkatorrik, seeing as the largest portion of the Pact’s forces are already within Orr and are so close to the heart of Kralkatorrik, and I could see this also involving Joko, though I have to wonder if he will be foe, or possibly an ally against Kralkatorrik. I could easily seeing him playing the lesser of 2 evils card again.
Don’t forget the conflict between the Tengu and the destroyer pop-ups both inside and outside the wall.
I’d have to agree, expansions such as this would take loads of work, obviously not as much as the world itself in the beginning, but still. And it would more than likely include an in-game expansion, and based on what they are seen doing, it is very likely that the tengu will be involved in the expansion dealing with Primordius, seeing as they are fighting destroyers, supposedly, on both sides of the wall.
Perhaps there was more to be gained by capturing Caudecus and perhaps learning more about those others within the Ministry that mean Queen Jennah harm than there was in killing him and ending just 1 possible threat on her life. And I would agree, mind-control would be seen by anyone as an unethical invasion of privacy. It would be reacted to more likely no less than say Verata’s capture/kill/experimentation on Ascalonians in GW1. It is just plain wrong.
Charr should have been the main enemy. Undead are boring and repetitive.
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Posted by: Narcemus.1348
actually, to be honest… humans are the worst race in tyria, lore wise. they got magic and abused it. they killed for fun, for evil. they raided ascalon and took it from the charr (who were actually there first.. the gods created them), killing a lot of them in the process.
long story short, humans deserved it.
“Tyria flourished under the protection and the care of the gods. To aid them and serve as caretakers, the gods had servants – a race of serpentine creatures, now called the Forgotten. The Forgotten were meant to shepherd, teach, and care for the growing world, as well as the other beings that were to come.
It wasn’t long before Tyria was home to many: the charr, tengu, minotaur, dwarves, centaur and others. Finally, another race came to Tyria and they brought with them a desire for domination. They were humans.
Humans quickly spread and began to conquer all the lands they encountered.
… They clearcut jungles, preyed upon other creatures, and invaded the domains of the other races. This was when the humans drove the charr from their homeland, the region of Ascalon."
ascalon was and is 100% without a doubt charr homeland. the humans took that away from them. i completely understand them fighting for it back.
The only charr homeland is the one they came from. As was mentioned before the charr seized the land of Ascalon from other races that were weaker than them. The charr are no less ruthless than the humans. Now the human expansion was actually the actions of the gods, or at least 1 god in particular, Balthazar, who thought that the humans could easily subjugate the other races.
Another mention is the fact that the humans ‘misused’ the magic given by the gods, actually this is the other way. When the magic of the gods was given by Abaddon it was given to all races, and with enemies on all fronts this lead to massacre’s against the humans, as well as the other races. This is why King Doric, a human, went to the gods in Arah and asked them to take magic away.
On a side note, I have read nothing about the gods creating any race, with the exception of the Great Dwarf and the dwarves (which we could debate about for days). But in general, if anything, the gods may have brought races from other places within the mists, but there is never mention of straight up creation.
Could also just be a ghost, with no connection to the Foefire at all. I mean we know from Ghosts of Ascolan that there are other ghosts around.
I didn’t have much time to read them, but nothing that I read said anything about Sylvari never being able to reproduce, just that they’ve never had the urge or need to. And that the way in which they love isn’t physical but more spiritual.
Well, I mean those who played GW1 know Master of Whispers wanted to find a nice place along the beach in Istan, lol.
memser and warrior are the default classes for rulers in tyria, imo
I think Salma was also a mesmer, and I don’t recall her using her powers to regain her throne, rather having the shining blade and player character do the work for the most part
and @Bruno, that’s what I was trying to say. if she’s manipulating and killing her enemies, that’ll just create more
if she mind controlled caudecus, that would be suspicious that a known (if only subtely, and not outspoken) opponent to Jennah suddenly gave up fighting her or whatnot
Salma was a monk. Which I like to attribute her with the “healing” of Kryta.
Maybe that’s because he’s an order of whispers agent and he’s extremely secretive, lol. But you didn’t hear it from me!!!
And that means he won’t say which continent he comes from to another Whispers agent? Doesn’t that sound stupid to you? And I now realise it’s Velasquez not Vasquez. :P
Nope, Order of Whispers is very secretive :P Plus did you ever ask him where he came from?
Anything could honestly be possible, with the fact that we know barely anything about the mists, how they work, or any background of that. And honestly I think it’s best to keep that mystery there, because when all questions are answered, there is no more reason for us nerds to discuss them :P
That being said, the world he came from would have to have been the Fissure of Woe, and it became uninhabitable for Humanity so he brought them over :P Would be a cool back story.
I have a feeling that the story of Lazarus will most likely will be expanded upon at some time in the original Guild Wars Beyond content, that being said, I do not believe the mursaat plans have been scrapped, or that the only plans were the Arah dungeon. It just seems like way too much of a cop out, which ArenaNet doesn’t do. Plus with the White Mantle still being around in some sense it seems almost rediculous to say that the mursaat aren’t pulling their strings in any way, shape, or form.
Well, there are no ‘children’ among the sylvari for the whole early greek thing to technically work. I think the issue here with the sylvari is that they haven’t had time to learn how to procreate. I mean this instinct you are talking about came from centuries of creatures mating with other creatures to figure out what worked. The sylvari have had around 23 years, and from what we can tell normal sexual acts from every other race’s standpoint don’t work for them. I mean they are plants, maybe they need to go and have bees pollenate them :P
Maybe that’s because he’s an order of whispers agent and he’s extremely secretive, lol. But you didn’t hear it from me!!!
We know for a fact from Ghosts of Ascalon that spider poison works just as well on Sylvari as it does humans. Killeen has a very hard time getting over the effects of it.
Yeah, when it comes to air mastery remember that for years before the asura were an underground race. In fact in GW1 there was a group called the Sky Krewe that were attempting to bring the sky down closer to the earth so it would feel more home-like. So it makes sense that the asura would have reservations about air travel. I can’t help thinking of poor Master Klabb back in Edge of Destiny, lol.
Not to mention the vines that Mystic mentioned seem to be almost like wiring, bringing the energy from the asuran built generators to the large gun batteries, as well as various other parts of the fort. And they are most definitely sylvari.
Either that or Sylvari are a recently created society and they have no background on which to place any importance on sexual orientation. And I would like to know what blog post, because I read pretty much every 1 during development and I don’t remember any outright stating that they could not reproduce. If I remember right it was being left to question with other things like if they die of natural causes, since no sylvari has died except to weaponry or dragon corrpution.
Take note of one of the symbols – a triangle with a design in it, possibly… an eye. Familiar?
All I was pointing at is that I got the reference that you made, nothing more.
I don’t mean to hijack the topic, but it has the same sort of meaning. Do we have any sort of reason for the sudden appearance of the giants in game? I mean I know there are ‘giants’ in GW1 but these creatures are merely like twice the size of our characters. The giants that have appeared in areas in GW2 are so tall that our characters barely reach their mid shin. Has anyone found any lore on this?
At this moment I don’t think there is any lore on the gargoyles, but feel free to prove me wrong. I mean for all we know it could be tied to Halloween, lol.
Elona probably still has humans, centaurs, hylek, and harpies, though the amount of still living creatures is unknown. We do not know that Joko has killed everything off, the story states that he forced the nations to surrender, but thinking from the mind of an undead lord, keeping creatures alive gives you a continuous source of prey for your undead army, as opposed to killing everything off and being stuck with the amount of undead that you have, eventually dwindling into nothingness as the dragons fight your forces. This is of course assuming that Kralkatorrik and Zhaitan’s minions are invading Elona.
Now Cantha is probably a lot more stable. We know that the humans went through a purge of the continent. The tengu left or died, but there are still creatures and such still there that it seems unlikely the army has been able to kill all off. There are the naga, saltspray dragons, kappa, wardens, dredge, fungal wallows, etc etc. When it comes down to it I have a feeling that the naga, dredge and tengu that stayed still exist to some extent and wouldn’t be surprised if they somehow allied together against their common enemy.
Does anything say that they can’t have children the old fashioned way? everything I’ve seen has just said that they haven’t yet. I mean the only two sylvari that I know of which were in a major relationship were Caithe and Faolin, but two women don’t usually have children no matter what race :P
For all we know the mursaat only controlled the White Mantle as a means of culling the ‘chosen’ from the last major human civilization. They more than likely expected the humans of Ascalon to be wiped out soon and to have little effect on the Flameseeker Prophecies.
Well we know Anton died, can’t remember where his grave was, but I believe it’s by Ascalon Settlement, it doesn’t say much about his life or death though. I haven’t seen anything about Tahlkora, Xandra, Razah, Zhed, Master, Koss, Mellonni, etc, etc…
This is the comparison of humans as they were to humans as they are, and note my post is entirely about the human influence in Tyria.
When I mentioned Janthir I was talking about the Eye of Janthir, not the island.
Yeah, I was coming to the realization that the Titans were not after the Mursaat while I was writing, if this was not noticeable. But honestly they did at least a good bit of work, cause I remember a large amount of Mursaat corpses in Mineral Springs and Tasca’s Demise, and more than likely they had a few scraps in the Maguuma Jungle as well while the Titans were organizing to attack the Henge of Denravi.
And I understand that the mursaat were powerless as it comes to spectral agony against the titans, but the humans were easily just as powerless, since they never had spectral agony in the first place, and even though you repel the attacks against Droknar’s and the Henge of Denravi, you get to the North Kryta Province one right after the titans had already attacked, so it makes less sense to me that the humans were able to muster similar armies as the mursaat had in Mineral Springs, but the humans succeeded where the mursaat failed.
Also it’s highly unlikely that the charr killed them off, because the person that mentions their disappearance as mysterious in game is a charr and a member of the Durmand Priory. If the charr killed them off either the charr or the Durmand Priory would know, and neither do.
In all honesty, we know nothing really about what Kralkatorrik is/will be like. For all we know the concept art shown in the cinematics could be similar to the issue of Zhaitan, where he is much different in game from any of the concept arts, except the one that was specifically showing his image.