Guild Wars 2

nalenb.1425:

The dueling tonight was okay. It’s annoying to be minutes into a good duel and then have others interfere. I was literally the only one there for Mag to fight just now and still they kept breaking up duels, not letting me break combat before starting, got 2v1’d and they even finished me at one point. I don’t get how you can sit there and watch for 5 minutes and then just jump in mid fight.

Anyways, the few complete duels I did manage to have were pretty good. Got stomped by a couple mesmers and a ranger, tied another ele and a thief.

Maybe you didn’t line up right?

What was with the big line up anyways?

pot.6805:

Anet is way too indecisive. Regardless of the merits of a reset or not, at least stick by your decisions!

Why? Should any company not pay attention to, listen to, and consider the information provided to them by their clients, the people actually effected by their actions?

Frankly ANET did what I would have wanted them to do. They tested, admitted they were likely not going to achieve anything different and changed their decision. /clap to them for being strong enough to admit it and not worry about someone thinking their indecisive.

KiefyReefer.8304:

omg I cant type im laughing so hard from these last 3 posts. Its over man, take everything and we still win by over 200k. You guys are to funny

So you think they should just quit, stop fighting and having fun, because of points?

From what I can tell old Kaineng was more or less assimilated by the transfer crowd. I been asking since the start of the match and so far CNB and KAIN seem to be the only old Kain guilds still WvWing, along with a handful of soloers. In WvW all I see are guilds I fought on other servers and matchups, I think I have seen KAIN and CNB once each.

This game has far less incidences of hacking then most and in all my hours of WvW, I have only experienced it twice, it was a necro and a ranger. Are there people hacking out there, sure, but who cares it has so little meaningful impact it is not worth dwelling on.

I would expect the MOS site is pretty close to what we will be seeing. Sad and stupid as it is, let’s hope the math changes help use all move quickly back to where we can get good fights. Why ANET thinks destroying enjoyment for weeks is a necessary sacrifice, I am not really sure and they have been silent on the discussion. Three months too late should be ANET’s motto.

russia.9057:

Superior tactics
http://youtu.be/Kd0UJItXkrM

A screenshot would have worked rather then 3 mins of boring video.

As a pro tip on how to deal with this superior tactic: go out one of the other exits

Thanks to all for the fights tonight on Mag BL, we had fun as usual.

Dutchares.6084:

Personly i dont see the problem.. it will be all back to normal in a few weeks..
And the servers that lost a lot of people or got a lot of new people will be on the right spots faster.

Because we will spend a few weeks of completely boring, upset matches to get right back to where we are now. So what is the point? I have no interest in one boring week, let alone a few.

Titan.3472:

Hey DB we saw how you are skilled on your BL right now was such an heavy loss at Longuevue. we held our single cata on 10min waves. Great fight you can’t say no skills involved : numbers were even, we just took your BL (btw i am the warrior you can’t kill T2 human cultural) Thx to Kaineng involved forces and thanks for that great fight dear DB ! I ll let you know when the video will be available as an evidence of Kaineng skills and a nice memory for you.

Titan War [RISE] [LORD]

Someone from RISE talking kitten… now I have seen it all.

I think it is better as far as loading enemies, but overall it seems worse as I am now randomly losing sight of my group mates. To me culling should be over once a model is loaded, so why are my group mates randomly disappearing when a bunch of enemies start to load? I play a support role, being able to see my group is pretty important, instead of trying to follow dots on the map.

I agree with this, just remove the part about friendlies. When you are supporting 4 other people while fighting a large zerg, the fact that your own group mates randomly disappear from view, is kinda a big deal. I thought once someone was loaded, then were loaded and shouldn’t disappear!

SnakeDoc.8416:

I am not sure what everyone wants to hear from Kain players. you guys want an apology?

I have stayed out of the server trash talking for the most part, but I will respond to this. When your main leader posts bragging of 3000+ kills in 12 hours along with some other trash talk, what did you expect the reaction to be? Where do you think the thread would go from there? Not to say it wasn’t going off the rails before that point, but it certainly seemed to ramp up the intensity and focus.

Bunzy.8674:

#1: The biggest issue at the moment is the fact there is an AoE limit of 5 people.

Fix/Suggestion: The AoE limit must be increased (To what number I am still unsure of this but I would personally go with 10-20).

#2/#3: These issues coincide with each other and they are known as the downed state and revive mechanic (in combat).

Fix/Suggestion: I would decease the damage and health people have in the downed state by ~50%. This would make it feel like they were truly downed and not just giving a second life. The revive mechanic needs to be changed for when in combat, I would suggest you only let 1 person resurrect each player while in combat.

#4: When looking at combo fields this one is pretty obvious this favors whoever has the most numbers are they can stack faster/longer and more often.

Fix/Suggestion: Due to the fact this would be hard to maintain to only a certain numbers of people I would say you have to remove sharing combo fields and only let people use their own.

1) I am not sure this is a huge deal, you can certainly work around it, but I think increasing limit to 10 might be a good test.

2) I agree too much damage, too much health. Downed state should do no damage at all imo, just tools to keep from being capped and to heal yourself. Also I think the duration of the debuff you get for being downed needs to be longer, with fewer debuffs needed before you just die outright.

3) I personally think you shouldn’t be able to revive someone at all while in combat, it is something that should occur after the field of battle has been won.

4) I do not think this is a huge issue, certainly you can work around it. If combo fields limited its effects to the first 5-10 people triggering the field, so similar to the AoE limit, then it would be weaker for the zerg as its impact would be more random as to who is hit then with a group of 5.

This game is certainly different then others when it comes to zerg busting. You rely a lot more on movement and controlling the fight, then just bursting down your enemy. I enjoy it a lot.

So many threads on this topic, absolutely no response from ANET. I guess our view is unimportant in the grand ‘three months to late’ vision of ANET’s.

Baladir.2736:

Im going to go out on a limb here and suggest it is because WM likes to Pvp, against players.

Given that only servers in T1 and a bit in T2, will have enough population in their active play times to provide any form of competition for them, why would a guild that likes PvP transfer to tier 8 and spend how long without a decent fight, with boring matches week after week?

CHIPS.6018:

I don’t think Kaineng has that many more manpower than you. But we are better at population distribution.

You have significantly more people across the maps then the other two servers combined, and your claim is that you are better at population distribution… go figure, bet it takes a lot of practice.

Jacbo.7598:

I can only speak for my guild when I say that we’ve already been through hell with IoJ before moving here. We were there when IoJ was a punching bag for whichever T1 caliber server dropped to T2. We were there for the brief stint in T1, and the subsequent departure of a ton of fairweather guilds. We were there for the 3-week beat down Sea of Sorrows dished out on their way up, and the 5-week bar brawl with SoR/BG who by then had considerably more coverage. We were there for the 4-week fights with FA/CD which tested the remnants of our coverage.

You left IoJ before it even hit T4, and your entire definition of been through hell is about point loss. People loyally stuck with ET and HoD all the way to T8, those folks get to claim hardship, you do not.

Losing isn’t hardship anyways, its a target rich environment, which is a lot more like heaven then hell in my books.

Jeda.5209:

Also, wanted to say that most of the chest thumping from kain in these forums are from recent transfers to kain. Unfortunatly, it has started to give this server a bad rep.

Who isn’t a recent transfer to Kain?

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

Sol.4310:

You would have to be only Kain player who doesn’t just zerg everything, seems most Kain only know one thing zerg, how long till people get bored with the same old boring thing day in day out. you can only zerg for so long before you get sick of playing the game I know I was over zerg/siege long long time ago.

Maybe, I don’t know about the rest of ‘em. I’m just a simple old Kain along for the ride playing like I always have. Good strategy in the long run or not (it’s not, I know), it works for the majority of my server right now at this moment to zerg zerg zerg and that’s what they’re gonna do regardless of what else is going on. It is what it is, que sera sera, etc.

Early on I asked what original kain guild are still out there running around, so we knew them when we saw them, but no one responded. Are there any left?

Another thread on the same topic: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Why-are-we-wrecking-the-WvW-matchups-when/first#postkitten 44

Thanks for all the great fights tonight, specially the big battles we had at Dawn’s Eyrie.

I think it would be nice to see some form of ANET response on this topic, are they even considering what all of us mere players think?

Camora.4197:

Hello! I’m sorta new the WvW thing and trying to really learn as much as I can this week. I noticed in the other threads what appeared to be sarcasm at golem tactics. What is wrong with doing it? Is it considered a cop out? What would you consider a better strategy if the golems look like they will work?

They work too well imo, specially when you use them in access. Contrary to popular opinion using Golems is not a work of tactical brilliance, and the entire point of golems is to ‘not fight’ by taking the objectives fast enough that you take objective before defense can materialize.

Personally I would be happy if they were removed or severely limited to how many you can have per map. I further think they should not be able to use portals, and they should not be able to waypoint and be stored in an invulnerable area of the map.

All servers use them, including everyone I have played on, so consider my view server neutral and nothing at all to do with this match or any specific golem rush.

yriafelc.6124:

I don’t get why we are trusting the info from a third party site.

But I do agree that we need to squeeze-out more information from Arenanet about this new maths. Work week is just starting, which is probably why we don’t get any answers yet.

Because the third party site has been providing us that information for months, reliably, why wouldn’t we be trusting them?

AngTSAO.1852:

thank for very Hero from Dragonbrand.
We got a good fight on Sunday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJkDwqj9-9I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B50r2FmgcsY

and ….not HD video >"<
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHFaqiDyZjU

Just in case you are like me and you think that something exiting is about to happen at any moment, it wont, there is no exiting moment at all.

I think I would have fallen asleep playing that defense, let alone watch it on video.

Iris Ng.9845:

I believe Anet needs to reset WvW ratings because of the new formula, which will be better in a long term.

I think it will change very little, which is one of the issues. The math changes are to allow servers that suffer mass loss of players settle faster to their more appropriate rank, awesome idea… about 2 months ago. With the end of free transfers, situations like HoD and ET will simply not happen again.

Out of curiosity, so I know them when I see them, what are the original Kaineng guilds that are still around on the battlefield?

+1 to this as well, while we do not know the ‘math’ yet for the next weeks matches, I think its is foolhardy to assume it will not be a similar result, since the math changes were announced to solve issues like when HOD and ET lost all their populations… great change considering that will not happen anymore because there are no free transfers…

This entire reset seems to be a month behind reality, its like they made the decision a month or two ago and are not just releasing it, regardless of the current game situation.

I am tired of blowouts and boring matches, now that we are closed to something balanced they are intentionally screwing it up… why?

ParaldaWind.4523:

nalenb.1425:

ParaldaWind.4523:

(I’m clearly referencing our super secret alliance)

First rule of super secret alliances is …

Share ice cream?

Seems like a good foundation since ice cream goes well with pie and cake.

General.7803:

To. Mag and Dragon

first, Thx for 1 vs 2.
second, Thx for your 3107 death during 12hours.
third, don’t give up.

Its unfortunate that kills are not rewarded based on a fraction of the number of people that participated in the kill.

Iris Ng.9845:

John Widdin.9618:

b…but why? I was fighting a guy, AoN came so I stood still to accept my death, and when they downed me. They left.

Because a tower is worth more than 1-2 badges.

Nah, likely they/we saw someone else to kill. No offense meant, I am sure you are more then worth downing, but we often leave folks to be downed by others and in fairness some folks will just spam #1 to death anyways even if we leave.

What pisses me off is that we spent a lot of time making a decision on our final transfer, picking the server that best fit our needs, the tier that best fit our needs, and we did it expecting that things would be somewhat stable after transfers ended.

Then along comes ANET and intentionally screws it up for weeks. I do not care that eventually it will rebalance, why should I have weeks of boring or bad match-ups so that it can eventually get back to where it is now?

Population is what drives servers upwards, those populations are now going to be relatively static with free transfers over, so what the kitten is the point of resetting ratings now?

The only think that would be good to change with the system, is make it so that enemies cannot see the up arrow beside their name, just makes them a target.

If they created a /who command, you know like every other kitten game in the world, then players could help verify if there is an issue or not.

Waking.6052:

oZii.2864:

Best roaming Group I seen on Mags was AON that is all I have to add to this thread

Yeah. Why did they leave?

DB has the lowest NA population for T3, thus the best opportunity to find a fight, is the short answer as to why we went there.

Isaiah Cartwright.8569:

We do plan on adding more stat combo to existing ascended item types as well as adding more stat combos to new types.

~Izzy @-’—-

Time frame? Reason they were not included to start with? Are there any types that will not be included for design reasons? More info then one sentence?

Belenwyn.8674:

I do not understand why Arenanet is hesitating to introduce the recipes for jewelers to produce ascended items. It would solve so many problems. And we are waiting over two months now for it.

Maybe for the same random reason that WvW armor was only provided in one stat set and still has not been expanded. Seriously, how hard is it to duplicate the armor sets to different stats setups that already exist?

Seregdae.9085:

I for one enjoy the fights outside of west keep in mag but was just floored at the numbers it took for you all yo take EK.

In fairness to them, we were constantly slamming in to their backside to help you guys out. Had you held out a bit longer, we could have killed enough to force the wipe. In the end it was just too many, but it wasn’t just you guys fighting them.

Odaman.8359:

Niim.9260:

Quenta.2978:

Be a good sportsman and congratulate your peers instead of participating in this drivel.

Nice fights last night.

I felt bad watching you guys die last night…. awesome guild. I miss picking off randoms you used to string out when you were on FA.

Its all in good fun, we didn’t feel bad when we wiped you, no reason you should feel bad wiping us. Though RET flanking us while we were fighting you was a bit mean

Quenta.2978:

Be a good sportsman and congratulate your peers instead of participating in this drivel.

Nice fights last night.

Thorquist.8126:

So there are 2 issues now.

1. Lack of combinations that we used to know from exotic sets.
2. Hard to obtain amulets – too grindy. Maybe they can be obtained randomly from higher levels’ chest?

I could be wrong, but I am randomly, without any basis at all, guessing that the laurel system will improve with more then one way to get them, which would make the current prices more reasonable. Hopefully… ok maybe I am grasping, but its good to have hope

Miragee.3604:

First when I walked to the laural vendor I thought: WTF, 30 Laurels for ONE amulet? Like one month of playing each day’s dailies to get ONE amulet with better stats? Clearly no gear grind there.
Than I looked closely and realised that there are still no Ascended Items with Healing Power (Cleric’s) which I need for my Builds on Guard and Ele. I got disappointed and happy at the same time. Disappointed because of no HP at all. Happy because I than don’t have to grind for it.

It is good to look at the positive side of things: Both of my lvl 80’s use gear that is not represented with ascension gear. Hopefully ANET gets around to this discussion and informs us what is going on.

Balance the downed abilities.

Slow down the revive to be half as fast as the stomp unless you are spec’d for faster revive.

If you have 2 boons and 2 conditions when you go down you shouldn’t lose them, people used effort and cool downs to get those on you, they shouldn’t just disappear.

Shouldn’t be able to revive a defeated player while in combat, this would create a dynamic were a small force could keep constant pressure to prevent the larger force from just res’sing.

A few suggestions.

Waking.6052:

About 80 percent of effectiveness in WvW is mobilizing siege equipment and supply, by my estimate. So if you don’t like strategically placing siege and building it with supply whether to attack or defend, you’re not going to enjoy competitive WvW.

The nice thing about WvW is that it has a lot of different roles for a lot of different play styles. It is the coordinating of those roles that makes for competitive WvW.

DarthBenedict.3410:

I don’t really want to go back to T4, last time Maguuma was there it went kind of like this:

Maguuma waited. The lights above him blinked and sparked out of the air. There were zergs in the keep. He didn’t see them, but had expected them now for years. His warnings to Cernel Joson were not listenend to and now it was too late. Far too late for now, anyway.
Maguuma was a space marine for fourteen years. When he was young he watched the spaceships and he said to dad “I want to be on Tier 4 daddy.”
Dad said “No! You will BE KILL BY ZERGS”
There was a time when he believed him. Then as he got oldered he stopped. But now in the space station base of the UAC he knew there were zergs.
“This is Joson” the radio crackered. “You must fight the zerg!”
So John gotted his dagger/dagger ele and blew up the wall.
“HE GOING TO KILL US” said the zergs
“I will shoot at him” said the omega golem and he fired the rocket missiles. John churning earthed at him and tried to blew him up. But then the server lagged and they were trapped and not able to kill.
“No! I must kill the zergs” he shouted
The radio said “No, Maguuma. You are the zerglings”
And then Maguuma was queued in every borderlands against two empty servers.

I was going to read your post, but then I realized I as not on TC and I didn’t have to.

So does the reset take into account what tier you are in to start with? What is to protect a T8 server that has a blowout and getting lots of points, from being placed higher than a T1 that suffers a loss and because of tight competition does not get many points?

The thing that bothers me about the reset is that it was announced yesterday, after transfer ended. Due to the volatility of servers due to the end of transfers, we finally made our last transfer based on what server will give us the most fighting in the next month, as a best guess. If needed we would transfer again, once servers settled down.

A lot of thought went into that decision and now, its basically all wasted effort since the applecart is going to get tossed on its side and the servers all shuffled. I would rather we had known before hand so we could make the best decision we could, given that scenario.

Suddenflame.2601:

Niim.9260:

Suddenflame.2601:

You are wanting a gear stats that may be against what Anet is trying to do with Ascended Gear.

Perhaps, but only ANET can say that and that is what people are asking.

Your opinion, regardless of your insistence otherwise, is just that and not worth any more than anyone else on these forums. Your view on what ANET should and should not tell us, is also just an opinion.

Actually funny enough I have not stated my own personal opinion in any of this. My opinion is that they should tell us cause i am curious to know what their plan is.

Actually everything you posted was your opinion and overall the thread would be a better thread if you had just provided us with the above noted opinion to start with.

Suddenflame.2601:

You are wanting a gear stats that may be against what Anet is trying to do with Ascended Gear.

Perhaps, but only ANET can say that and that is what people are asking.

Your opinion, regardless of your insistence otherwise, is just that and not worth any more than anyone else on these forums. Your view on what ANET should and should not tell us, is also just an opinion.