Guild Wars 2

KrazyFlyinChicken.5936:

Niim.9260:

I think it is pretty silly to believe that all tasks that need doing in WvW are better done by a large group of players. Solo and small groups respond faster, have more specific focused impact, are not worried about dying to do their task, better able to shadow/scout large forces, etc. Most of the people I see running supplies to repair gates and walls, keeping dolyaks guarded or cleared, suicide on siege, and the other host of small things that make up a successful WvW campaign, are small group players.

As much as I wish this was true, I can’t honestly stand behind it. You are right in saying that there are small-party tasks (guarding dolyaks and camps), but the sad truth is that most WvW tasks are best accomplished by massing the most number of players in one spot.
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I couldn’t for the life of me draw a correlation between your big post and what I said.

I never said you only need small groups, I said small groups are part of the war effort and it is a successful server that embraces all types of play and incorporates them into their campaign. There are things small groups do better, and frankly are often the only ones doing it.

Turkey.3605:

Volatility.6729:

Why does no one on CD or IOJ ever roam?. Its impossible to find a 1 or 2-man to fight.

Hel, KH, TL, NoX and a number of the other message board pros all keep run when they see a lonely mesmer with an afro until they get numbers. Bags CD guild is probably the closest thing ive seen out of this tier for roaming capabilities.

I can answer this one for myself pretty easily: because I’m built for a team composition, not for 1v1 or 2v2. My build is very much glass cannon and requires support from other squad members for survivability. I can wreak havoc on your front lines or destroy your defenders firing down on us from the tops of keeps, but when I’m running alone to try to join our forces I’m completely vulnerable.

We do have small group action, but in our guild small group action means a full five man group that’s still composed thoughtfully, something that can actually take and hold a minor objective when necessary. Being a WvW guild, everything we do is for the benefit of the scoreboard.

My question for you is, if you’re running around WvW looking for 1v1’s/2v2’s, are you actually doing your server any good? Isn’t sPvP where you should be looking for those type of engagements? If your server ever had a queue for a borderland it seems to me you’d be a waste of a queue spot versus someone actually wanting to influence the scoreboard.

I think it is pretty silly to believe that all tasks that need doing in WvW are better done by a large group of players. Solo and small groups respond faster, have more specific focused impact, are not worried about dying to do their task, better able to shadow/scout large forces, etc. Most of the people I see running supplies to repair gates and walls, keeping dolyaks guarded or cleared, suicide on siege, and the other host of small things that make up a successful WvW campaign, are small group players.

Cactus.2710:

Ashanae.9362:

MMOs are supposed to be balanced around team play not 1v1 duels.

It staggers me that so many players are incapable of understanding this. It’s even more astounding to me that players complain they can’t get good 5v5 battles in WvW when sPvP and arenas are available and were specifically designed for such play styles.

Not that I complain about lack of 5v5 battles, but there is a significant difference between what people are looking for in a WvW setting vs a sPvP setting, in regards to 5v5 battles.

MikeFerguson.8921:

Catisa.6507:

There is no system in the world that’s ever going to compensate for server transfers, or guilds taking a break from wvw, or differences in primetime play hours.

Pretty much this. We use gliko to help make sure the matches end up being somewhat competitive, but no systems can really predict and react immediately to constantly changing populations.

I think this is a cop-out personally. It is your system and you allowed extensive free transfers far longer then was necessary. Sure it is easy to say no system can handle it, but you should have had a plan for when it did go bad.

Leaving servers like HoD and ET to an extremely slow decline to the bottom was not fair to them, and not fair to every match-up that had one of them in it. There is only so many tiers and servers, you have the stats, you should have manually intervened when there was an obvious need.

Cal.1985:

Hm wrong If you play casual sure, you will not get them, but they are not for casual play ^^ there are people with 120k kills in WvW

Given how kill credit is achieved, kills is the least meaningful of all of the WvW stats.

I am fine with the system if there were titles or /rank abilities for each tier. Having nothing till you kill a million yaks is just… well stupid.

Serebus.7314:

Lots of fun and frustration in CD BL tonight, Terror[TG] got pretty bored later that night pic related, <3 all three servers hope we fight each other a while longer.

Should have let me know. I would have come over for a dance party, I suspect it would go something like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peT4BTtL-PM

MikeFerguson.8921:

As far as being able to play just in WvW and never have to leave if they don’t want to, that most definitely is our goal, and I think we’ve done a fairly good job at that so far. We do need to make sure ascended gear is obtainable in WvW, but other than that I think we’ve mostly made it so you never have to leave WvW if you just want to play there forever. Feel free to point out why I’m wrong about that

You are wrong about that because you only provide one set of stats on badge armor. Given the number of classes, builds and preferences there is no way one set of stats is sufficient. While you can earn money in WvW and then just buy your gear, that is different then obtaining it from WvW itself.

Not only does the ascended gear need to be added, we need all the different stat combinations made available for our armor and weapons, we also need unique and interesting skins. We like looking cool as much as PvE folks do.

Hekatombaion.4320:

Niim.9260:

Are you seriously trying to bully an entire server with threats of what you will do?

Not how I’d frame it at all!
But really, after all the posts saying we get focused because you’re fighting for second, that we get focused because everyone is fighting for first, that we get focused on EB because blue is the weakest position-
After all of those, if we don’t see you carving out any territory on each other’s maps-
Well then there’s only one reason left for you to spend all your time on ours: because we’re weak.

Maybe they are just there because you talk a lot of kitten?

Maybe they find blue a soothing color?

Maybe after TC, green to them forever means ‘boring as hell to fight’ so they subconsciously head towards blue?

Maybe alien’s are mind controlling them all because green is their favorite color?

Maybe your delusional and reading a lot more into people having fun than is sane?

Maybe, you are a bully IRL?

Hekatombaion.4320:

If they independently keep choosing CDBL (minus the automatic few in EB) next week the couple dozen commanders on CD might independently decide to deny FA points until you’re pushed out of the tier.

You’ve seen a couple of nights now what we can do when we feel motivated enough to make it happen. As I’ve said before this has been an escalating cycle of retaliation. FA’s big guilds and commanders need to look at this and ask themselves “is this the ceiling or can they do something even worse?”
From my perspective the smart move seems to be for red to always have or be pushing for at least one keep in IoJBL. Keep CD running mostly on pug power instead of concerted guild efforts with a specific FA priority.

Are you seriously trying to bully an entire server with threats of what you will do?

If I could find you in game right now I would /laugh till my cartoon character peed his cartoon pants. You are sounding more like Tarnished Coast than CD. So much for just enjoying the fights and competition, I guess winning by 20k points isn’t enough :P

The only reason using 2 abilities works is because 90% of the people out there are hand holding zerglets that have not learned the basics of their own class, let alone others. They run pve or zerg builds, without the necessary tools for small scale fighting.

Using just two abilities, specially when #1 is dependent on #5, is a huge weakness for the build, not a bonus. #2 is useless, #3 is a tiny bit short of useless, and #4 is only used when you need it. Against bad players this means nothing, but a good player will know that if you shut down #5 and mix in a bit of condition removal, the p/d thief is going to be in serious trouble.

Blrrgh.6908:

Niim.9260:

Blrrgh.6908:

For Niim….I am the “bad” thief commander from FIST, and if you had 1 v 5’ed us (lol), I assure you I would have been the first person to post the video and congratulate you. Because I would have been impressed, as the only person I ever saw 1 v 5 successfully was Mjollnir from SoS on his guardian. If you were the thief who kept trying to kill me while we were camping Longview, I have to say you were not bad, and it was fun kiting you around, if I had a GC build you probably could have killed me once or twice, instead of you getting spiked when we were done playing with you.

You spiked someone else, after downing two of your group and them getting revives before I could stomp, I had to back off because the rest of the zerg arrived. SBD.

Man I don’t know how you were able to back off with that flag in your chest. Epic! : D I’m out there every night, come show us your leet skillz ! If I am impressed I might ask you to apply to FIST, becuase I could use a thief who effortlessly kills 5 mans in WvW.

Sorry, I do not join guilds that fail at the basics of reading.

Blrrgh.6908:

For Niim….I am the “bad” thief commander from FIST, and if you had 1 v 5’ed us (lol), I assure you I would have been the first person to post the video and congratulate you. Because I would have been impressed, as the only person I ever saw 1 v 5 successfully was Mjollnir from SoS on his guardian. If you were the thief who kept trying to kill me while we were camping Longview, I have to say you were not bad, and it was fun kiting you around, if I had a GC build you probably could have killed me once or twice, instead of you getting spiked when we were done playing with you.

You spiked someone else, after downing two of your group and them getting revives before I could stomp, I had to back off because the rest of the zerg arrived. SBD.

Altie.4571:

Furiousbeard.7602:

Awesome fights today everybody!

Here is a brief section of the evening

Wouldn’t you be ashamed at posting this?

I mean, a party of 3 is focus firing one person and killing them. What’s the big deal in this video?

And it wasn’t even a clean fight, you ganked an ongoing fight to get most of the kills. If this is some measure of skill then I don’t get it tbh.

I fought this guild last night, they had a really bad thief commander in their group. They were SBD (saved by downed), the only thing that kept me from 1v5ing them.

Axel.5412:

Niim, find Helioz from around 7pm EST to 12am. You’ll find what you’re looking for.

I have fought Helioz a fair bit, I stand by my statement.

Mif.3471:

They’re battle hardened and they fight for every last keep, every last dolyak.

Many servers like to say they never give up. None have proven it like IoJ has.

Sorry, do not see that on the battle field. I will look harder though.

Chris.5024:

The problem is FA commanders do not command, they run around with tags. Is AoN on FA? Haven’t heard of them but if all this bragging is warranted I’d love to play with them.

I saw a group of AoN people yesterday or the day before in IoJ BL.

Leuca.5732:

Blocking C&D does not prevent the stealth, and the thief can still blind you with a trait, preventing a 1 hit counter attack if that is on your bar. Does it make you die? No, but it certainly makes retaliating against a C&D thief annoying as hell. Mechanics like this need to be fixed.

Blocking CnD does prevent the stealth, the blind also does not trigger without the stealth. So really what needs to be fixed is the vast amount of ignorance on the forums.

In my experience doing pug fractals there are two classes in the game I cringe when I get in my group, thieves and rangers. Has nothing at all to do with the class, but the people behind them. Not sure why, but both of these classes attracts the worst kind of players. Rangers they do not want to do anything but stand in the back and plink. Most thieves they are either dying non-stop, or standing in the back doing sub-par plinking.

If you get a thief in your fractals that has a kitten spec, doesnt use smoke screen when its needed, etc… please nicely help them become better so we can all stop being treated like we are not helpful to a group, when we really are.

I die all the time to 2+ size groups, all it takes is one person that has a clue what their doing and I go down.

I die in 1v1 against every class.

Earlier today I got royally stomped by a guardian in a 1v1. Five minutes later I then proceeded to fight and kill 2 guardians and a thief in a 1v3, all level 80 and in the same guild so one can hope in voice chat.

The first guardian played well and knew what he was doing, the other two had no bloody idea. The question for all that post about thieves is how do you be like the first guy and not the other three.

Not to say the class does not have issues, culling largest of all, but most people that post these kinds of stupid threads have no idea what they are talking about and thus are incapable of providing any kind of accurate statement as to the OPness or not of the class.

I just hope that they do not create an entirely knew system that does not give those of us that have been playing for months any credit for past accomplishments.

South of Heaven from Aion, Lumiel?

So tonight I had a weird conversation with someone accusing me of hacking, but would not tell me how or what they were talking about. Further they tell me they are recording me, but if you look at the dot on the map of the attached picture, we are not even close to each other, so I have no idea who exactly they are recording at that time?

I ‘think’ it is someone from the IoJ guild HARD, a mesmer. The guild has a lot of legendaries, guessing maybe a PvE guild without a lot of experience and thus quick to jump to the hacking accusations? Sorry in advance if it was not HARD.

At any rate I do not hack or exploit, so report me all you like, but I am curious as to what exactly I removed, so if anyone knows please share the info I may even be able to answer the question :P

What I got out of it was that the post in question is pretty minor and not worth getting your knickers in a knot over.

The only issue I have with elementalists mist thingy is that it resets health and removes conditions, to where it was when they were first downed. I believe this to be a bug. I could care less if they go through a portal.

Darx.9842:

I’ve had soo many good duels in WvW be ruined by some other guy, either from my team or my enemies, or a small group.

If you see two people in the middle of a battle, think for a second before you rush in and try to get the last couple hits. Maybe they are having fun, maybe they don’t want to be disturbed.

When I think back at all the PvP I have had in games from the days of MUDs, UO, DAoC, WAR, Aion, Rift, SWTOR, etc, etc. I have no specific memories of times I rolled around zerging objectives and other groups, but I do remember the epic small fights and rivalries/friendships and thus it is important for me when I play to seek out those moments, not just participate in the rotating objective train.

A few weeks ago I was trying to have a 1v1 with a guardian. Our fights were taking to long though so we kept getting people adding on the fight, mostly his server. He would step back and I would either kill or avoid until they left and we would restart. Then along comes 4+ (memory is fuzzy) of the third server trying to kill us, so with a few points and gestures we 2v4+’d them. We never did get to finish our fight, but had a lot of fun trying. I will remember that fight.

In the end you cannot control how other people play, just how you play. I choose to step back and watch fights. I choose to let people have their cross-server ‘friendly’ events without interrupting them. I choose to join in and dance and laugh if I find an enemy doing the same. I expect none of that from anyone else, just appreciate it more when it happens.

Raincrow.1840:

To Niim…. by the big picture, I didn’t mean so much the week long battle, as an over all impression that your server is serious about / good at WvW. Losing for a week or 2 isn’t that big a deal, but if I were on a server that lost week after week, and basically continued to press a strategy that didn’t ever give a real chance to win, as much I’m all for server loyalty, I’d likely look somewhere else.

I guess I view it differently. The scoreboard and tier system are largely broken and thus focusing on it seems like you will always be disappointed. What works and is fun, is fighting and I would rather focus my efforts on have a good time fighting people, rather then worry about winning a match when ultimately strategy has less impact then your 24/7 population.

My friends at DRGN, you guys really need a wvw intervention with your cow, guardian commander that was in FABL tonight.

To start I suggest everyone chip in and buy him some armor, clearly he blew all his money on the commander tag and had nothing left for armor. You are a big guild, I am sure if everyone just chipped in a few silver he could buy his very first set of exotic. Proud moment I am sure.

Next, I suggest you as a guild sit down and pick out a nice build for him. I am not sure what would work best, but anything other than what he has now will be an improvement. Perhaps if you talk to some guardians outside the guild, they might help you guys with selecting the right build.

Lastly I think it is your duty as guildies, to help him expand his knowledge and skill of the guardian class. Again I suggest talking to some guardians outside the guild and come up with a lesson plan, maybe start with the basics.

In the spirit of helping I will share one of my warm-up workouts that I like to use when I haven’t played for a few days. Likely take most of the guild to help him set this up, but go to a supply camp that the enemy has just flipped and kill all the guards other then the lord. The goal is for the commander to melee the lord for the entire duration of his damage buff, using only dodge to stay alive. It is a great warm-up, I hope he finds it as useful as I do.

I have solo’d lots of towers. As long as the owners are not paying attention, I catapult my way in, then slowly fight the champion and guards. Anyone paying any attention can typically ruin your attempt.

I have gotten into the inner part of the bay as well, but was interrupted while trying to kill the guards. Do not think I would have been successful even without interruption.

Raincrow.1840:

The reason I don’t agree with it is you’re missing the bigger picture.

I agree with your general view that avoiding tough fights is just plain silly. Losing against a larger force is only demoralizing if you run in hap hazard and get stomped. Losing against a larger force while killing as many or more, will in my opinion increase moral and also be a hell of a lot of fun. The bottom line is you never get better or learn anything, from fighting an easy fight.

I do question what big picture? A week long battle is hardly a big picture, frankly it is inconsequential. The scoreboard itself is largely driven by what server has the best 24/7 coverage, which essentially makes it meaningless, particularly when population can shift dramatically one week to the next.

I think the biggest issue with WvW as a system, is that it entirely lacks a meaningful long term big picture, at least in my opinion.

Do you have any kind of estimate of how long it will take? I am not asking for a date, but even some vague no sooner then X and no later then Y would be nice.

Given how little has been done for WvW since release, we still have one set of armor as purchasable rewards for example, I think popular opinion is that it is not a priority and as such is culling in WvW a priority?

Thanks

1) culling and overall system lag in large battles
2) rewards for WvW, lets face it the one armor set is pretty pathetic, decent selection of armor sets, some unique, some new and fun skins, etc.
3) individual rankings, /rank emote, viewable stats on website, for serious and fun categories

Would it be reasonable to request that the ground graphic of this ability reflect the actual pull area of the ability? Not suggesting any change to the ability itself, just make the graphic show exactly where it is pulling from.

Is this somehow going to be perceived as a massive nerf to mesmers?

terialk.6174:

Niim.9260:

Thanks to all the CD folks I had fun with tonight, chillin and hanging out with in IoJ borderlands.

It was nice seeing our long lost brother from SF

Indeed, was good talking to some old friends again. Maybe now when I wave at you guys you will wave first and then attack, rather then just attack

My only issue with the ele mist form is that it resets their health and conditions to where it was when they first got downed. I view this as a bug.

I do not think you can focus on just one factor of being downed and tier them, you also need to take into consideration damage output and rate of healing. While I agree some classes are certainly better then others, I do not think it is cut and dry as your tier’s suggest.

Ranger daze when used properly works as good as an interrupt, if not better than other classes as it can hit through stealth.

Thanks to all the CD folks I had fun with tonight, chillin and hanging out with in IoJ borderlands.

Docherty.8372:

selan.8354:

yo CD person please have some respect as FA has been defending itself all the time.We have been zerged by both servers at the same time. And we were able to hold up quit ewell, so i’d appreciate a little respect in the forums. we might not have the numbers but we still fight hard , fair and good!

No respect for FA.. not sorry to say – go look at EBG right now, y’all been bushwhacking us all week – I haven’t seen you so much as hit a IOJ supply camp. Fueled by hate – welcome to competitive PvP.

Obviously I just speak for myself.

So you went from 3rd to 1st while you think you are also being double teamed? Do you think perhaps, just maybe, other stuff is going on, on other maps where you are not?

I have seen my own server QQ about double team, while on the other side of the wall I watched the other two servers have a huge fight. Sometimes you just do not see all the fighting.

Nirvana.8659:

i must admit in the last 3/4 days of WvW there are a tons of thief with pistol/dagger spamming cloack and dagger + the #1 of pistol spamming bleeds……
This would not be a problem,but they are PERMANENT in hide…..
I fight only invisible enemy….this is providing super frustration….because if not for this permanent hide they would run away or die miserably.

And yes….seems they have infinite initiative….but it’s only an impression,because after CnD they just spam #1 ….lol…an impegnative gameplay…

So to answer,there is no bug,they just don’t use a lot of initiative spamming CnD (that allow 4 sec of hide offcombat + another 5 sec of hide IN COMBAT due to rendering) + spam #1.

Why post unrelated information to his thread? Look at the list of abilities he used, does that really look like p/d? If its P/D just make them miss CnD twice and they have no init.

Mif.3471:

Is a bit of respect and sportsmanship too much to ask?

I think what people view as deserving of respect and what qualifies as sportsmanship is going to be pretty varied and as such, it really is likely too much to ask.

I would assume it doesn’t matter where or what for a precursor, as long as there is a chance of an exotic dropping, there is a slim chance that exotic will be a precursor.

Crushnaut.8307:

Yaks, I have heard good things about this server since day 1. IDK what it is, but no one ever seems to have a bad thing to say about this server.

I have never understood this, other then good marketing? Having matched up against them a few times, my view is average at best.

I do not think condition damage is necessarily best for PvE as it does not scale well if you have another person in group also doing condition damage.

Magic find armor imo is a waste these days as most people are doing fractals where it is not nearly as useful as farming mobs in Curse Shore and in most cases a hindrance to your group’s success. Also keep in mind that from the armor pieces themselves you are only getting 18% MF, which you need to seriously gimp yourself to get.

More magic find comes from the runes and jewelry, so what I recommend is using armor that fits your build best, then adding 5 rune of the noble and 1 pirate rune, get the jewelry and your good to go. Better, well rounded stats and still pretty decent magic find.

I haven’t worn my MF gear in a month or more, regret the effort I spent building it.

There is a good video on how it is broken, but you can do your own testing. Essentially the square graphic of the trap is a lie.

What I find interesting is that when I intentionally clip the edges of other long rectangle effects from other classes they still snare me, etc. So why do ours work differently?

I think uncatchable is a lot better on paper then reality. I keep going back to it, then switching away. The aoe is just to small to be that effective in 1vX kind of fights, imo.

What is more important is how the mesmer got inside, not so much the portals themselves.

Safir.9203:

Do this kind of stuff consistently, be first in line and publicly eager to do it, and your random players will start pitching in more and more often without prompting. The sooner people grasp the importance of repairs, healthy supply lines, and the force multiplier that defensive siege provides, the better off we all are.

It is also important to make sure that their effort is not wasted. Nothing like running supplies, repairing walls, taking out trebs hitting tower, setting up siege, protecting its dolyaks, etc and then when it gets attacked no one responds to defend. If your the person that just spent 2 hours of your time away from the fight, gold in upgrades and siege, how likely are you to bother again?

All it takes is one good player in a crowd and your fun game of hide and seek ends rather quickly Thankfully, there is a shortage of good players.

It’s annoying as hell. I do not deny that it has gotten me out of a pickle or two, but it really takes some getting used to. First time I was ‘wtf why am I over here’. After awhile you get used to the randomness and just flow with it, but I didnt miss it when I switched it out.

I would be ok with stealth dropping from damage on a big, hit, say 25% of your health or something like that.

PendingDoom.3068:

The breakout-event towers are all choke points, small enclosed areas, leading a long way up to the claimer, very easy to spam arrow carts and keep enemies from moving forward. Pretty easy to beat groups double your size, at the very least, without even taking player skill into account. The breakout event towers have one of the best choke points on the map I have seen, like the hallway leading into it. Other choke point examples include the archway in Vale supply camp, hallway to claimer at hills, bridges at ruins leading to both lake and briar and south supply camp, to name a few.

Thank you Captain Obvious. Is there anything else you wish to share with us, like for example why you were spamming looking for a guild invite to small/medium sized guilds as part of your recruitment drive?

MuffinMan.3285:

Blah, blah, blah.

If you were actually there you would know what went on and have an opinion worth listening too, not to mention your comments would make a lot more sense.