Guild Wars 2

Mister Mustard.7203:

It really shouldn’t reflect badly on the entire server. Can YOU stop people hacking on your server? Neither can anyone else; there is no power hierarchy where we can fire someone or not allow them to participate for acting poorly. All we can do is follow the appropriate channels to empower the only people who are truly capable of doing something about it.

This is not necessarily true. You cannot do anything specifically to the hackers sure, but you can adjust your play. I for example never take mesmer portals into keep if the mesmer is not someone I know or doesn’t have a guild tag of a known wvw guild. No tag, not someone I know, no portal.

If we take a keep/tower and I have any reason at all to question it, then I will switch maps or just avoid defending that objective at all.

I cannot stop them from hacking, but I can refuse to enable and support it.

IMO your build is all over the place and has a bit to much ‘me’ stuff for a support build, but group play is all about group synergy and you will know better than anyone what your group needs.

I think the 1hand sword could use a damage boost myself. My thoughts:

Sword #1 – no issues, be nice if there was a 20% chance of a finisher on one of the chain attacks

Flashing Blade – hate that it requires a target, think it would be awesome to have it as a finisher of some kind

Zealot’s Defense – I think this ability just needs to have its cone of attack widened, just to narrow atm for trying to hit something at 600 range.

Combo fields and finishers are what makes combat in GW2 interesting and complex, the fact that guardians have so many weapons with limited/no combo fields and no finishers is annoying.

Tajz.9826:

imalog.7689:

Tajz.9826:

Tell Jang Gun, WM that Tier1 has JQ’s FOO for his challenge. Get up here and fight them! They’re very strong, and from our point of view, may be on par or even stronger than WM. You gotta come up here and prove :P

I can wait to see epic matchup of FOO vs WM vs MERC. It will be insane, as well as a good reason to slowdown JQ’s SEA domination for us.

Go go go! Beat TC and FA and reign in tier1

WM came from T1. SBI

I knew but that was long time ago. Everything changed. FOO that day isnt FOO today.
Thai Alliance that day isnt Thai Alliance today either :P

If WM wanted a challenge in their play times I doubt they would have transferred to T8 so they could PvDoor for 2 months.

Helamintur.8641:

I’ve been a commander on SoS for a few months, and been there since the month after launch. That said, I was part of the insurgence of players to SoS and its rise from lower tiers to top, its grinding battles of boredom uncontested at the top, and watched the guilds without backbones flee when the matchup became interesting. That said, T1/T2 combat is not as fun. It never has been, and its usually a landslide one way or another depending on when you log in. T3, I can getup before work, and get a fight, I can go in after work, and get a fight, and I can wake up middle of the night and get a fight or come home for lunch and get a fight. That is what is important to the core of SoS, those of us from the WvW community of SoS that are still here, fighting you now, only are fighting you for the fight, not a spot, and not for being top of Tier 3. We could care less any longer about statistics of what our server says, just that our server is competently participating. Keep up your efforts in the fights and thank you for giving us the playing field we have looked forward to, as far as I am concerned, T1/T2 was all about coverage, T3 is where tactic battles are taking place and I enjoy it. (Especially some of DB’s small man crews) Seen a lot of skill, and enjoy the place I am at and hope we stay here. Just for having the right type of competition I’ve wanted without feeling it is only a zerg vs zerg game.

Well put and the very reasons why I like T3 and plan to stay in T3.

EnRohbi.2187:

Niim.9260:

Atine.8623:

Any SoS know how you guys got bay in DB BL, like 10mins ago? We are very frustrated because its been 4 days in a row that we lost the bay without getting contested (or barely). No accusations, just asking what happened.

In my experience DB is just really, really bad at scouting out white swords in a timely fashion.

I can tell you from discussions I heard internally (I was on the map at the time it happened today, and it was noticed as a pattern yesterday) that people were stationed inside Bay keep today specifically waiting for SoS to try it.

So where were they when the scouts inside bay first noticed them and did anyone check the gates before the keep was captured to see where they came in?

zen.6091:

Niim.9260:

There is winning coverage wars and winning fights. Personally I find the later more important and as such I have chosen to be on the losing server for well over 4 months, because I like a target rich environment. Grats on winning the coverage war though, enjoy a cookie on me.

YB definitely has the weakest night presence in this matchup, but it’s not non-existent. When your NA players upgrade things to T3 and carefully place siege that could hold off most any of the night zergs, and instead of defending your night players choose to run around ganking easy targets, there’s not a lot of room for sympathy.

I am on DB, and I think you missed the point if you thought I was asking for sympathy or even expressing a concern for the situation. I love DB’s position in T3, its perfect.

Atine.8623:

Any SoS know how you guys got bay in DB BL, like 10mins ago? We are very frustrated because its been 4 days in a row that we lost the bay without getting contested (or barely). No accusations, just asking what happened.

In my experience DB is just really, really bad at scouting out white swords in a timely fashion.

Tobias Steele.2071:

Niim.9260:

zen.6091:

Niim.9260:

I am really sorry that your mass recruiting didn’t create long term, dedicated members for your community. I know, its a shock to think fickle, bandwagon, players from other servers wouldn’t just set roots and be content. We are all as surprised as you are.

Is what it is, all the “T1 or nothing” people that were on SoS moved to BG, so any lingering bitterness towards the players that originally bandwagoned from DB to SoS should be directed elsewhere. All we have now is the usual pug players and a few assorted guilds that are just out to have fun, which seems to be pretty much the case with DB and YB too. This is the part where a guy who doesn’t really know how to play the guitar at a campfire starts singing kumbaya or something =)

I wasn’t on DB so I could care less about that stuff. I just objected to your sad story.

I object to your attitude. We lost a lot of day one SOS guilds as well, they weren’t just new recruits, but I wouldn’t expect you to understand that. Times like this I like to say “look at the scoreboard” now please talk more kitten.

Most servers have been through through an exodus by now. SoS is neither unique or special in this regard so stop acting like you are. SoS is largely responsible for their own exodus, which makes your sad story even more pathetic.

As for the scoreboard comment… that makes your sad story a funny one. Welcome to T3.

zen.6091:

Niim.9260:

I am really sorry that your mass recruiting didn’t create long term, dedicated members for your community. I know, its a shock to think fickle, bandwagon, players from other servers wouldn’t just set roots and be content. We are all as surprised as you are.

Is what it is, all the “T1 or nothing” people that were on SoS moved to BG, so any lingering bitterness towards the players that originally bandwagoned from DB to SoS should be directed elsewhere. All we have now is the usual pug players and a few assorted guilds that are just out to have fun, which seems to be pretty much the case with DB and YB too. This is the part where a guy who doesn’t really know how to play the guitar at a campfire starts singing kumbaya or something =)

I wasn’t on DB so I could care less about that stuff. I just objected to your sad story.

I am fine with people zerging, rather have them out zerging then not be there at all. Zergs are the welcoming, first point of contact with wvw/rvr for many people and while it is easy for us long time players to dismiss this, I think it is an important aspect of the game and it’s long term success.

Sure I think this game provides a few to many tools for zergs, but I think if the new progression system works on a basis that points are a set amount per kill, split with everyone involved in the kill, then assuming the rewards are worth getting, I think you will see more roaming groups and smaller zergs out there.

That’s a lot of assumptions of course

zen.6091:

I’m sorry if the night capping is skewing the score, but please do keep in mind what SoS has been through the past few months. Every single “hardcore” WvW guild besides TSym transferred, and the casual pugs were also showing up in much smaller numbers, with the usual bad apples doing nothing but being negative. It’s been week after week of being hopelessly uncompetitive in T1 and watch thing fall apart.

I need to find a website that plays sad songs on a tiny violin, that I can link at times like this.

I am really sorry that your mass recruiting didn’t create long term, dedicated members for your community. I know, its a shock to think fickle, bandwagon, players from other servers wouldn’t just set roots and be content. We are all as surprised as you are.

The problem with having any real discussion on the topic is that half the posts in this thread are filled with uninformed drivel and the comments of people that really do need to learn to play. The discussion is also largely about nerfing, not how do you maintain balance after the nerf.

Downed state is for the poorly skilled, zerg players, which makes up the majority of the game. Why are you surprised that it is still here?

Personally I would settle for a cap on rally, one death of a deer shouldnt rally 10 people. How about getting rid of downed damage, your downed, you should have a skill to avoid one stomp, and a heal, that’s it, no damage. Why does the downed person get stripped of all conditions when they go down? Why do they get so much health?

Lots of things could be done to make the downed system not so much of a crutch, instead it’s ignored.

Snowfire.9410:

Today I also got wispered by an enemy in WvW. Didn’t they fixed that issue yet? Was the player probably using some sort of hacking tool?

I’m just asking because I was a bit annoyed since he tried to spy out our zerg which did’t quite work as he expected and so, after we killed his people, he offended me and simply left the group afterwards.

He wasn’t able to do any serious harm, but I don’t really like the idea that this is still possible, because as in my example people tend to offend other fractions.

So when all you that are ‘sensitive at heart’ folks are frolicking in PvE and someone annoying starts insulting you, tells you that you are bad, doing it wrong, <insert whatever insult you find personally offensive> what do you do? Report? Block?

All those same tools are available for you in WvW too, so use them instead of continually trying to stamp out the fun of those of us that like an avenue of communication.

Jayne.9251:

Cactus.2710:

Dual.8953:

Siege needs people to use them or they’ll despawn after about a half an hour, so staking them out may let you catch the spy.

That’s not true. In spite of what ANet has repeatedly stated, the only siege that reliably despawns after 30 minutes is trebs … everything else is indeterminate and often lasts until destroyed by the enemy.

That’s not true either. Siege reliably despawns after 30 minutes of not being used on the BL’s. On EB, it’s an entity unto itself for some reason, and siege can be left and stays there for days. On the BL’s, however, it’s like clockwork pretty much.

This is no more true then the statement you are replying to.

Cosmos The Cat.2954:

Only thing I expect is more people leaving the game. There is so much hype and expectation on this patch. I really hope it goes well, but I’m not crossing my fingers on anything.

This. I think it is a huge failing to have ‘big’ patches for any style of content. GW2 has done an awesome job I think of their system of class balancing. Minor tweaks each and every patch, rather then big class balance patches that invariably break more then they fix. Why they didn’t apply this logic to WvW upgrades is beyond me.

It creates a build up of expectations and hopes that will be next to impossible to meet and will result in folks leaving the game, regardless of how good it is.

As for the OP:

I want culling fixed.

I want a progression system that does not favor massive zergs, ie a person should be worth X points. If you kill with 20, X is divided up into 20, not X given to each of those 20 people like the system is now.

Lots of new skins and ascended gear for purchase witch badges.

Pendragon.8735:

Lyndis.2584:

But just to note, if you’re looking to beat up the bandwagoners, I’d suspect the majority of them to be in Blackgate. Once a bandwagoner, always a bandwagoner I’d guess.

Every server that has been to T1 was pretty much bandwagoned at some point or another, maybe excepting the original HoD.

Odd perspective, the original HoD was the biggest of all band wagons. A literal horde of people spamming the gw2guild website before release, all watching for whatever server the alliances were going to, so they knew where to get their free ride.

yb: 8.4k 310ppt
DB: 5.4k 165ppt
SoS: 5.2k 220ppt

Lots of great fights tonight, thanks for the mayhem.

Static.9841:

xxxzavulonxxx.8413:

Just like TC moves down and thrashes DB/Mag… or FA… but they go up a tier and get stopped.

I wouldn’t be too quick to assume that. We got stomped pretty had because BG was dominating the entrire field and were a T1 server in T2, now the match up will be pretty interesting with FA and Kain.

I’m kind of amazed that in the latter pages of this thread that Mag are complaining about bad sportsmanship or lack of class. Slightly different attitude from the start of the match. You reap what you sow, you came out of the gates with an attitude, an attitude which clearly irked so many members that even Elmer Fudd came down and dubbed this week Mag Season. Now it’s just excuses and TC this and TC that.

With so many forum warriors and people seeming to think it’s ok to beat their chest and others condoning, why complain so hard about people emote spamming? Isn’t that the same kind of childish behaviour?

Because TC has no part in this? Take a look at match threads where TC is losing vs those where they are winning, and tell me that TC doesn’t become a bunch of condescending twits when they move down to T3. It is my opinion that TC are great losers, but not very good winners.

Vagrant.1094:

<insert blah blah blah>

~Nyari Cil, Queen of EB

I agree, pie is delicious.

wispi.2194:

Is defense even worth it? Say you take a keep, or garrison, or even stone mist and hold it. You have to hold a camp and protect dolyaks to get upgrades. While you are holding your objective, the rest of the map gets taken. Say you hold it for 2 days and feel great you have your keep. What did you accomplish? How much karma, silver, loot did you gain?

Now, if you take something, leave it and move on to the next target, and keep moving, not defending anything, you will have continuous karma, silver, loot coming in and none lost from siege weapons, upgrades, etc. Enemy takes it after you leave, and then you come around and get it again for more karma, silver, loot, etc.

I guess it comes down to why you play the game. If you want karma, silver and loot why are you not down in Orr instead of WvW?

katniss.6735:

Maguuma sucks. Cap stuff and don’t defend anything. That’s the entire week. When I take that attitude 100 people mock me for being a “noob commander”. I can’t win. Neither can Maguuma, but everyone knew that.

If it makes you feel better I think you guys are better at defense then DB is, much better at defensive siege use at any rate.

Evalakitten480:

Ketharius.9018

It was just 2 of us from Funk Squad building Catas at South Bay, we picked up another person who was in the vicinity, then another person, and finally a 5th. We now had a 5 man group that set up 4 Cata silently, sneakily, and uncontested. While DB’s army and TC’s army were fighting at hills, we broke the wall. We called out to our commander to take advantage of this and he did. By the time the main army got to us we had the wall at 10%.

Funk Squad, funking the funk out of the funky game.

That makes it sadder. Why? Because we had 3 people inside yelling out to everyone ‘hey, they’re catting the wall from outer breach- there is only 5, come wipe them’ and they were like ‘yeahderpderpderp’ and never came (until it was too late). =( So we stood at inner just watching because e’reybody wants to play seige wars, and no one wants to get in yo face! No defensive seige inside, no supply for walls to finish upgrading (we were oooone yak away!)

/QQing

Seems like it would have been more fun to attempt to wipe the 5 with the three you had rather then wait for more that didnt come.

TheFug.5278:

kerona.3465:

TheFug.5278:

kerona.3465:

TC acting like we’d have more points if we were puppies and kittens and rainbows on the forum.

Laugh.

You actually might.

TC must take forums very seriously, then.

Do you not know what TC did to FA over a few digital dolyaks?

A massive collective temper tantrum, lots of blustering on the forums, failed attempts at population bullying, and topped off by running around taking everything after everyone that was involved had gone to bed. Does that sum it up?

skinnyb.5920:

Maybe if you guys were nicer on the forums and didn’t add us to party to talk trash we’d let you guys have some points, Mag

You get back, what you put in.

covenn.7165:

There is absolutely nothing shortsighted about what I posted and my view point comes from over a decade of playing RvR oriented MMOs that had reward systems in place. I would rather reward someone for dedication in playing their chosen class(s) than reward someone who jumps to whatever the current FOTM class is after a patch. Do you have to agree with me? No, but going ad hom for no reason is silly.

There are other reasons for playing other classes then to play the next FOTM, though I agree for the vast majority of people that is the reason. We are a small guild, we mix and match who is playing what class based on who is online and we all have several lvl 80 geared out toons to play to fill the gaps. Has nothing to do with FOTM, rather group synergy.

We expect that the progression items will be uninspiring anyways, so we not worried about it, but still it would be better if it was account bound as at the end of the day, it is just a reflection of time spent, why should which toon matter?

Static.9841:

To DB, who are the AoN guys? Honestly, those guys were great, 6 of them broke into Mag Bay when we held it, I think we had maybe 10 guys on the map at the time and I repeatedly watched as both Mag and TC challenged them, only to be utterly destroyed. You guys were working exceptionally well together.

Thank you, it was a lot of fun, great fights all around!

saiyr.3071:

AoN are our bros, they used to be on Maguuma (and Ehmry Bay and Fort Aspenwood and I don’t remember what else). They pretty much always run groups of that size and are really good at it

<3

Population levels for the servers are too low, imo. It is fine if you just log on during prime time and want to have some fun before heading to bed or whatever, but at off hours I do not want to spend more time finding a fight, then fighting. Not saying you do not have a good thing, just why it wouldnt work for me.

So I hate SoS a lot, every night it pisses me off. If it was possible to break your staff against rocks, I would be poor from doing so.

I have two main issues, one minor issue. My main issues is that it pulses so slowly it is possible to run entirely through the symbol and not get swiftness. Secondly what good is a swiftness boon provider that also invariably puts you in combat? My minor issue is the lack of stacking you get with other swiftness and if you have .5 of a second left and enter a SoS you wont get the full stealth, just a pulse.

I can live with the minor issue and have learned to be more careful, but to deal with the two main issues what do folks think about having SoS with a secondary ability that lets you detonate it. This detonate would immediately provide an aoe swiftness, same size as the current symbol, and remove the symbol itself. This will let you control the trigger of swiftness and remove it from putting you in combat, with a second press of the button.

Thoughts? Any reason this would annoy folks?

While I appreciate the idea and point, the truth is all that would happen is that all the coveragewar champions would just flock to the same servers and the end result would be the same.

nightfend.4072:

Niim.9260:

Then what are you going to do? In my opinion DB puts very little effort into being better, to adjust to the population issues we are facing. We are content to be carried by an off hour population that gets most of our points. Get better, play different. We do not have to win PPT to have fun.

I’m really not sure it is our play ability. Having seen how poorly a server like Kaineg plays and their dominance, I think it is purely a numbers game. Our server, while larger, seems to be made up of mostly PvE and PvP users.

We are not Kain, we do not have their numbers, we have the numbers we have. Stop playing their way and play for your own strengths. No one changes, they stack up and expect everyone to die around them, then toss hands in the air and cry foul at numbers when it doesn’t.

nightfend.4072:

All I can say is at least Yaks and Mag can drop down a tier and clean up every few weeks to make themselves feel better. Dragonbrand has been stuck in the middle (as the only true tier 3 server) and gets defeated by the T2’s that come down. No fun at all. And there is no change in site.

Then what are you going to do? In my opinion DB puts very little effort into being better, to adjust to the population issues we are facing. We are content to be carried by an off hour population that gets most of our points. Get better, play different. We do not have to win PPT to have fun.

Lanimal.6541:

Get those 20 people into the same VOIP channel under a good leader and you can accomplish a lot but if you honestly strive to be one of the best at open-world combat it requires a lot of theorycrafting, a lot of practice sessions and a lot of chemistry building which can only be achieved within guild groups. So yes, you sir a mistaken there is a difference between militia and guilds.

I think the problem is that 90% of the guild groups are not doing any of the stuff in your list, and yet they are not militia. A five man could be doing everything on your list, and yet still be considered militia. The reality is if a decent leader pulled together a pug from different guilds that were known decent players, without practice and without built in chemistry, they would still rock most of the guilded opponents.

Is there a higher potential of skill in a guild group vs pug group, without question, but that skill potential is not realized in most cases and thus the general use of the term militia or pug becomes a point of contention.

CommanderJadon.7205:

Niim, you misunderstand me. I have been playing on Tarnished Coast since beta, and have been commanding on it that whole time. We were not always well off. We had our fair share of the odds, of losses, and to put it bluntly, complete shut outs. I know how it can feel, really, I do lol. Yet we kept pushing, and learning, and trying, and coming back every time…I share an understanding of the situation. I only stated it that way because I personally, do not extend any respect unless earned. I do not look down on anyone. There is an unfortunate fact that many of your server present a bad image for you…I wanted to extend a chance for at least one person on the other side to not have that image or opinion, and probably mirror the thoughts of others on the other servers. Trolls are trolls, we all know they shouldn’t give a real image of a server, but it happens. I wanted to remind those that are upset with the bad apples of their server, that they can still give a good impression by their actions in the field, which today they did for me.

If I was wrong in doing so, you are welcome to ignore what I have said, but people will see what they want to see from whatever comment I might make, as is their right.

I also would like to say I AM an enemy on the field. I would rather have good fights throughout the week doing what I love, and it is apparently Maguuma (and Dragonbrand) have a LOT of good fights to give. I love them, thus I ask for them.

As I said, just end it at the compliment, drop your last paragraph and your compliment will be received better.

CommanderJadon.7205:

…if you keep pushing and trying like you did today, to me it won’t matter what the score is…I will consider you all equals and treat you with respect.

Why can you not just post a compliment and leave it at that? This is not necessary and comes across as condescending, not only that but you phrased it like it is a carrot that they can get as a reward if they try hard enough. If that was the goal, then I recommend offering them a scooby snack, they will value it more.

saiyr.3071:

Niim.9260:

Thanks maguuma for the great fights at northern camp, was a lot of great back and forth.

How many of us did you kill, I heard that’s what we were doing instead of defending NE tower :v

One or two

If we noticed TC was attacking that tower we would have pulled off and helped hit them, but we didnt

Thanks maguuma for the great fights at northern camp, was a lot of great back and forth.

Digikid.7230:

How this matchup has been for me- Try to flip a camp with 3 people, TC portal bombs with at least 15. Whatever, wipe, try again at the next camp – TC rolls by with at least 10 people.
There’s just TC EVERYWHERE, it feels like it’s not even worth trying to play this week. I hope TC leaves this tier and never ever comes back to it – Sowwie TC, but you don’t belong here.

Folks need to accept that T3 is going to be this way and adapt and enjoy it, or transfer off. We either get TC with lots of numbers, or FA with lots of numbers and that may not change for awhile. Learn to play around the numbers and you will enjoy your experience more.

Thanks for all the fights tonight, we had a blast.

sceptus.9415:

Niim.9260:

dreztina.4820:

Are there any roamers on TC to look for?

Unless they have changed since leaving T3, no.

We are exactly the same as when we left T3 weeks ago. A mindless zerg of role-players. We have no skills and we are easily distracted by pretty colors. None of our guilds are serious WvW players. Tell all of your friends and spread the word.

Apparently also passive aggressive, conclusion jumpers.

dreztina.4820:

Are there any roamers on TC to look for?

Unless they have changed since leaving T3, no.

Yea it seems kinda silly that we need to avoid our own forces if we want things to land where they are intended.

Diashame.6328:

Niim.9260:

Diashame.6328:

Hey DB you have a speed hacking wall exploiting player getting around ATM. Can you help us get him band by reporting him. He will be the guy that zooms past you.

There has been three from FA in the last week as well. I PM’d commanders from their respective guilds, but no one has messaged me back

We have it on video now so they can have their fun for a little bit longer. Seriously lame source stuff, I could only imagine its one of those kids who got beat up at school and now thinks the world owes them something.

On the bright side they are entirely ineffective and useless, beyond staying alive they have no impact upon the game.

Encore.7053:

Also if im using a flamethrower and the thief cloaks, and my fire is hitting where he stands he wont get hit.

How can you be taken seriously when you clearly do not understand the mechanics? This statement makes it a learn to play issue, because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Diashame.6328:

Hey DB you have a speed hacking wall exploiting player getting around ATM. Can you help us get him band by reporting him. He will be the guy that zooms past you.

There has been three from FA in the last week as well. I PM’d commanders from their respective guilds, but no one has messaged me back

Diashame.6328:

You think it’s fun asking two servers to double team you all week and mostly they do and we still are destroying them? Regardless of reason why it’s not fun for anyone.

So your one commander is attempting to demoralize them so they do not play and you are complaining they do not come out enough. Maybe you guys should get together and work out what you want.

Nothing forces stupid people to run out that exit, but they will run out the exit providing a steady stream of fodder and thus people will do that setup every afternoon.

It is entirely valid and up to players to deal with it. That said I always find it funny watching them set that stuff up. Nothing screams ‘I am terrified of fighting’ like setting up siege at a spawn.

Jae.9682:

Also depends on the tier you are in. I wouldn’t bring a sub80 or undergeared character into wvw in t1/t2. However, it is probably acceptable t3 or lower without being/feeling too gimped.

This is actually in reverse. There main difference between T1/T2 and T3 is zerg size. A larger zerg is better able to absorb a low level then a smaller one.

A lot of folks level up in WvW, long as you do not think you will start out as a 1v1 god, do not get offended by being killed, you will do fine and learn a bunch. Play defensive to start, get more offensive as your level/gear allows.