Guild Wars 2

MuffinMan.3285:

so im confused, red lake (which is on IoJ bl so it wasnt our break out event as pending said) but what treb, was it a treb from hills? or did they manage to build one right in front of your spawn? either way if it was on hills, then that goes to prove that they didnt really know what they were doing attacking when the wall wasnt down. if they built one in front of your spawn then they didnt get stomped as the OP said they did…which you also prove by saying you needed reinforcements. Now if they were smart enough to wait for the hills treb to take out your wall and they got killed going in, well larger forces have been destroyed using the choke points in a tower

I would love to respond to this post, but I have no idea what you are talking about, and I am assuming you are pretty much just another great result of ‘open recruitment’.

PendingDoom.3068:

Oh grats, so you managed to hold the Breakout event tower you had with plenty of arrow carts, and the forces were even, but you guys failed to take Hills, from multiple attempts :P

Folk’s from trashcan guilds shouldn’t talk smack, specially when they lack the capacity to count. You had more people until the end when we got reinforcements. It was for the most part three arrow carts, everything else would get destroyed by the trebs, so if they were up it was not for long.

nicknacknob.8916:

Honest question for US-based FA members: Why are you always camping the eb jp?

Like I get why you do it, all servers do it at some points to get the easy badges and blueprints, but ever since we dropped every time I check the eb jp there is always a significant group of people from FA camping it. Like tonight for example there were 10 right at the entrance and then, from what I could see, 10 more spamming the top of the well; and an unknown amount further on (I assume at least a few on top of arena w/ mesmer portal).

It just kinda baffles me that so early in the wvw week that you would waste so much of your resources (in other words: people) for such a significant amount of time in there. What makes it more baffling is that you’re incredibly organized when you camp! Now let me say I’m not kitten about it or anything; I can buy blueprints and get badges the regular way like everybody else. But why not transfer those resources and that organization and move into the real fight in eb, creating more competition and more enjoyable fights for all servers! And even more important, boost your server’s points up and we can have an even closer 3-way fight!

-From IoJ wvwer

In my experience over the course of the week, for my play times, I would say CD and IoJ camp the puzzle far more than FA does and often if you see a pile up at the bottom, it is because a different server is camping the top and they are killing everyone of that server at the start in retaliation.

Either way good times.

The problem is that most people that want a ceasefire are doing it out of convenience. I love when folks want to play nice, bow, wave, blah blah blah, but the day before their guild was camping the puzzle. You cannot camp the puzzle one day then expect a free ride the next because ‘your not in a camping mood’ or whatever goes through their head.

Also how many times I have let someone be, mostly because I am in a rush and not in the mood to kill everyone, and they are all smiles and waves, till you run into 4 more server mates and then they attack you.

Frankly it is just easier to kill everyone, and more fun.

PendingDoom.3068:

3) I do NOT join guilds and speak to members in private to try and funnel them out of the guild. I only speak to the leader(s), and if they are not around, I speak to the officer(s) to give them a heads up, to consider either merging into [Drgn] or transfer servers to IoJ to move back to higher tier. Show your proof for these claims, otherwise, don’t stir up false rumors against our guild, it’s in bad taste.

While I appreciate the gesture of no longer recruiting from servers you are facing in battle, I am still at a loss as to why you went from recruiting people in chat, which I had no issues with until we were opponents, to spamming for an invite to small/medium sized guilds? You stopped trying to recruit for a couple weeks at least and instead kept trying to join guilds. Why is that, and why should I not assume someone in map chat was telling the truth? Granted I didn’t see what happened in their guild chat, but I did see you spam chat looking for a guild many, many times and see no legit reason as to why you would be trying to join those guilds.

4) Our guild accepts casual and new members as well, we are a very patient guild, and are more than willing to teach newbies the ropes in WvW and get better as players. Our WvW crew at the moment probably consists of atleast 1/2 the members at level 60 or below, so congratulations to whoever just gloated about beating 4 of our guild’s members, you probably ran into a group of low level newbs that weren’t sticking with the group, as we still are trying to discipline our initiates. Congratulations to you on that amazing feat

There were no lowbies in the four and frankly I have fought many lowbies that were much better then those four. It was far from an amazing feat, which was the point of the comment.

Waking.6052:

As a member of Drgn, I can say we attract people of the highest calibre.

Might want to run some in guild lessons on the downed system, because I just 1v4’d some of your high calibre guildies.

MuffinMan.3285:

Lol I love all the hate Drgn gets for recruiting on other servers.

Has nothing to do with your recruiting, more the where and how.

1) we have been on CD and FA recruiting way before we dropped to T3, we were trying to get guilds and players to face BG and SoR.(also SoR and BG have had people recruit on IoJ so stop acting that were the only guild that does it, your only mad because its not being done for your server)

Never said a word when we were not fighting each other. I do however think actively recruiting on servers you are fighting is bad form, classless, and speaks volumes of the type of players you attract and make up your guild.

3) As for him joining a guild and trying to steal members when officers are offline, do you have proof this is how it actually happened? Because I know that he has been invited to a couple guilds by accident and he just threw up the message and left. He also joind guilds that were hearing him out on why they should transfer. So if you have any proof he joined guilds to try and take members while officers are offline send it to me because that is kinda scummy.(can’t promise he will stop since I dont out rank him)

It happened from the person on FA. This person was recruiting for your guild for awhile, then suddenly stopped recruiting and instead was spamming asking for invites to guilds of small/medium size. This went on for a few weeks. In map chat one night a fellow was complaining that the person joined their guild, bad mouthed the guild officers and leader while they were offline and did everything they could to recruit members from that guild. While it wasn’t my guild and I didn’t see the in guild stuff first hand, I fail to see any reason why someone actively recruiting for your guild would randomly start asking for invites to other guilds, other then the above noted activities?

I could care less if you believe me or not, just pointing out that your guild is a trashcan, collecting garbage from all the other servers. It shows in their play.

Gismor.8407:

I agree with you on this point. During reset night, me and my fellow CD players managed to take over most of IoJ’s map after hours of (fun) intense fighting. We were super excited to have the north locked down (Garrison, Sunnyhill, Cragtop [Green bl].) Then, we get reports that Sunnyhill is being attacked. We go to look, and it’s basically 50+ IoJ that were using a breakout event. Now, by this time, some of our players are leaving either due to boredom from having most of the map, or just the late hour of the night, but they rolled through us extremely fast. Same thing happened at Cragtop. Then they just went and attacked (and took) their Garrison back without help from the breakout. My point being, they didn’t need a breakout event to take either of the towers, they had well over 50+ players on. It would’ve taken longer, yes, but that’s more fair.

I believe that breakout events should either be A: only caused when you are granted the outmanned buff, or B: taken out completely. They are over abused, and just make it next to impossible for a server to have complete dominance. I mean, if one server manages to completely wipe the other server, shouldn’t that mean they have the right to defend the towers and Keeps they capture?

My story from above, was your server doing it I would say its abuse is becoming pretty common place.

lemora.1304:

Chris.5024:

I’m not sure if this has been brought up before and I don’t want to derail the discussion on the thread but the guild Primordial Dragons [DRGN] has been actively recruiting on FA in Lion’s Arch and all the WvW borderlands for the past 2 weeks. They are an IoJ guild actively recruiting on FA and trying to get players and guilds to transfer over. Seems a little low and is really giving IoJ a bad reputation over here on FA.

Funny, Primordial Dragons was also in CD today recruiting for their guild. The most annoying part was this guy was in EB taking up a slot when we were getting pushed from both FA and IoJ and needed all the help we could get (we actually had a que this time). And finally he conveniently forgets to mention that they aren’t even from CD. How desperate can you get…

They been doing this for weeks on FA, even before IoJ moved down to this tier. I find recruiting from your current enemy pretty lame. Particularly revolting behaviour was when the person was asking to be invited to small/medium sized guilds and then would recruit from within the guild, undermining the guild when officers were offline, etc. Not sure how this guild keeps its members, guess they must all be trashcans, they sure play like it.

As the subject said I think that the breakout events should require having the out-manned buff to trigger, and end the moment the server loses the out-manned buff.

While I agree with the concept of the breakout event, I think they are being abused currently. The other day a server who had lost the two upper towers on their homeland, organized a breakout event with 25+ people per side and triggered them at the same time.

While I appreciate their organization, if you can field 50+ people and have no out-manned buff you really do not need a breakout event to take a tower.

OmniPotentes.4817:

Lol checkout the kill counter. Had to be a thief! And there’s nothing wrong with that class.

It means you are a zerglet, has nothing to do with class.

I think all servers are pretty much the same, all that is different is how many, and what time a day, the vast number of hand holding, guard hugging zerglets play. Most servers have their gems as well, the handful of people that play with skill and tactics, pretty evenly spread though, so again no server really stands out for me.

Ohoni.6057:

It shouldn’t be cramming players into gameplay elements that they don’t want to play for any more than the absolute minimum amount of time. This is not working.

It could be worse, you could be a WvWer and forced to PvE. You need to do map completion on 4 maps in WvW. How many zones is there in PvE? How many bloody heart quests do you have to complete? Seriously, suck it up and just play the game, you will get your completion at some point.

Death and Taxes is from Darkhaven, not FA or CD and thus you really need to stop assuming your opposing worlds are doing this kind of thing. Likely someone working on their achievement, or trolling, after joining your server for world completion.

Can I go with both: it is and isn’t?

In my personal opinion the person being attacked has too small a margin of error, specially if they are doing something else. I do not find the chain hard to set up, given how much you can front load, and I do not feel glass canon thieves are all that fragile given the access to stealth. So, imo, I do not think overall it deserves that small a margin of error for my opponents.

That said, even if this chain is nerfed again and becomes perfectly balanced, most people will still die to it and still be QQing about it, because for most of them it is more often an issue of L2P than an issue with the chain itself.

PS – my view is entirely based on WvW. sPvP has some items that may have fixed my perception of the issue, that were never applied to WvW.

Vodka.3958:

Niim.9260:

I guess I had different expectations after reading your post. I was expecting a video of a small 5-10 players running around fighting big numbers, instead I see a zerg running and fighting without a single clip showing any form of flank, portal bomb, tactics of any kind, etc. It honestly does not seem to fit the theme of your post, at least from how I read it.

Good editing though

Check out our other videos of us doing golem rushes if you want to see our organization… I just wanted to highlight the numbers we put out and the type of presence we bring to the server to be one of the guilds greatest achievements! It really does take a lot to build a guild up to what we have especially during the attrition the game is currently facing.

Thanks for the comment!

No thanks, I for one have seen more then enough golem rushes.

Its a horribly implemented ability in it’s current form, rather have nothing there at all then that.

Wolfe.3097:

last refuge-you cant really choose it as its default going down stealth but its nice.

Last Refuge is not nice, it is horrible and the cause of more deaths that it will ever, ever save. Need the ability to turn off minor traits just specifically for this ability, imo.

Ron.4920:

Look at the date Nim, this was posted yesterday. Before I decided to just say to hell with GW.

My daughter plays a game called poptropica, you should check it out.

Why does it matter, why did you post, you already said in another post you are leaving the game. Good-bye.

I guess I had different expectations after reading your post. I was expecting a video of a small 5-10 players running around fighting big numbers, instead I see a zerg running and fighting without a single clip showing any form of flank, portal bomb, tactics of any kind, etc. It honestly does not seem to fit the theme of your post, at least from how I read it.

Good editing though

In my opinion the drop rate has gone up, in the last month or so I have had 3 exotics drop, which is more then I can say in any PvE farming I have ever done.

I do not think anyone disagrees it is worth the shut down, the question is why not shut it down at any point in the day BEFORE the reset?

I find it amusing that DAoC has XML feed of all this kind of information how many years ago. This game has far more budget and misses this kind of basic player tool.

Sunspots.9861:

Ancient astronaut theorists believe that Nimland is really just an old wool sock… Confirm?

If PINK was not already deemed unworthy and executed on sight, it would be now.

After seizing control of the lands in Crystal Desert’s home borderland and remaining uncontested for over an hour, excepting a few trespassers that were summarily executed, I have decided to separate from the petty server squabbles and create my own land: Niimland

Legal deed attached.

To be a good neighbour I provide the following rightsL

FA – you may use my lands as they were your own, welcome to stay at my tower and use my supplies. You may be called upon to help defend for this honor.

TC – you may cross my lands if you are heading to Bay, but only along the road. As Lord Niim dislikes almost all of you, he reserves the right to execute you at random, its OK though, it is not personal.

CD – sorry, you left, no rights for you.

All enemies will incur the wrath of Lord Niim, but he just wants to live in peace, other then the odd execution, so he encourages you to live peacefully with him.

Signed,

Lord Niim

PS – after discussing the matter with a lowly CD peasant unworthy of execution, Lord Niim has agreed that he was hasty in not providing any rights to CD. The new rights extend to the use of the road to attack TC objectives, and because he doesn’t dislike CD, at this time, he will avoid random executions.

Personally I felt after listening to the interview that the devs are somewhat out of touch with the game and its players. Specially the part when they were talking about the rewards for going to WvW. What they said was true 4 months ago, but I would say it is not true now. Server pride… but then they say transfers has no impact… tell that to one of the servers now dead.

Overall pretty disappointing interview for me personally.

I am fine with them as they are, though it would be nice if there was more titles, say at the half way point.

Jayne.9251:

Well he did cite the song title so I wasn’t sure

My bet is on too young.

Jayne.9251:

But do you feel fine?

:)

I do believe he has no idea what you are talking about

the I love to nap made me spit out my drink

irishhaf.1692:

Made me laugh in Daoc makes me laugh now, people go to a game that touts large scale combat then get up set because somebody brought people than them..

its especially funny from the small groups that think zerging a 2 man team with a 6 man team is ok… but if the 2 man comes back with 20 friends its not fair and should be stopped.. Not saying anyone in this thread but there was definatly some of that going on when Devonas Rest was still tier .

There was no reason to really complain in DAoC, and few quality players did, the game was full of zerg busting tools and that is why the 8 man, competitive game flourished there. We could extend giant zergs regardless of size and eventually they would all die or run away.

Further when I solo’d in DAoC I was never bothered by the 8 man groups once they seen me around a few times. I never bothered their 8v8 fights or 8vZerg fights, and thus they left me alone.

Was a different time then, different games and different people playing them. I run into maybe one person a month in GW2 that understands the basics of not budding into a fight.

Vv W.7821:

I’ve seen NPCs move through siege weapons before… how would they block dolyaks with siege? .

This. How do the rams block the dolyaks, if they walk right through them?

There is no best build. There is only a build that is best for you and your play style and as such you are the only one able to determine that. Play them all, see what you like and works best for you.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

If Anet reduces the number even further there will just be more mesmers to portal which will create a stale environment.

Mesmers everywhere is not really fun when there is so much variety to choose from in the game.

There are mesmers everywhere now. I think 10 is better number then 20 personally. At 10 you start to need coordination and timing, 20 is still a zerg, imo.

In my opinion all you need to do is get rid of the downed system for WvW. Small man groups will take care of there rest.

No offense meant but the truth is thief is just the focal target, and there is always a focal target, so if it was not thieves it would be the next item on the QQ train. If you enjoy the game you figure out a way around the parts that bother you, or you do not enjoy it enough to be bothered and just leave. The ‘reason’ you are leaving has nothing to do with what you are saying, because there will always be that ‘thing’ for those that look for it.

I was inside a CD keep, bay, earlier watching a mesmer and friends from the guild [POOH] of TC attempting to glitch up the inner wall. I reported, but folks may want to be careful of any portals they take from this guild.

I have a screenshot, not going to bother posting. If someone needs it send me a PM.

Shrouded.6450:

Raincrow.1840:

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

It’s incredibly frustrating to lose week after week after week to TC simply because we cannot match their numbers.

FA and CD should have been working with each other all along to focus against TC, which would have givin us a chance to nulify their numbers.

Instead we spend more time attacking each other’s borders than we do in TC’s. That’s why we’re both doing so poorly.

^ I’m going to have agree with what he said. You can keep on telling everyone that TC is only winning because of numbers, but what exactly have you done about it? You may not remember this but there was a time when you almost kicked us off our own borderland. That was the time when both CD and FA were working together, and TC had to actually work their butt off to reclaim it. I don’t know why, but it somehow fell apart due to a number of people not wanting an alliance…and now, here we are again, complaining about numbers as if there’s nothing we can do about it…

What you are not mentioning is that the ‘alliance’ was only a few guilds on both sides, not even close to a majority. More importantly you are forgetting to mention the kitten storm of QQ that was on the forums about it, further you are forgetting that when TC said they wanted us to do this because it would give them a challenge, they forgot to mention that the challenge was to bring even more people to WvW which they did the next night along with another kitten storm of posts about retaliation for an alliance, etc.

While I think three way battles are important and that eventually servers will recognize this, rather then go 7 weeks getting stomped by zergs, but the game is still young and folks have to learn the hard way.

Stiv.1820:

Personally every thief build for me starts at 10/0/0/15/0 and goes from there. Mug and Feline grace are amazing and all of their pre-reqs are good.

I think Mug is pretty optional for condition build I think. What I actually missed was Serpent’s touch.

Yea mean one set of armor/jewelry is not enough? /gasp who would have thought?

Didnt this last patch have some bit about downed state, well I guess that was probably just for sPvP, not WvW.

Downed carries bads, bads love downed, forever be a contentious discussion.

If a guild group cannot carry any other warm body through CoF, then the bigger issue in my opinion is how bad is their group.

I see a lot of them in my match up, most common thief I see lately.

As for why it might get nerfed, mostly because stealth is the biggest source of QQ there is and this build uses stealth more then any other, with no reveal de-buff. I am not saying it is an effective build, but it is high on an annoy non-stealthers factor.

I am bored on a conference call and was just wondering how folks thought it would be nerfed.

I was wondering how you think they will eventually nerf the dagger/pistol infinite stealth build that is now becoming a raging fotm?

I was trying to think of how they would do it, my only thought was to make it so finishers never trigger if nothing is hit. Would that mess up other aspects of the game though I wonder?

Other thoughts?

I think overall the idea is sound, I am just not sure the implementation was that good. Yesterday I was solo defending the supply camp we owned, from 5 defenders, while 9 people were standing at the commander shouting for a 10th so the event could start.

Yes a tower is better then a supply camp, but if we have 10 people why are we not trying to ninja a tower on our own?

The issues is far more prevalent on some servers then others.

Regardless of what folks may feel I have seen solo’ers of all classes and as a solo’er have died to all classes. Some exceptionally good players out there, regardless of what class they play.

I see the excuse ‘not spec’d for 1v1’ a lot, and while this is a valid statement for some people, the vast majority have no special spec for anything in my opinion, which is likely more of a problem then being spec’d for group play.

The idea if you solo you are some how not helping your team is a mass generalization that has no basis in reality. I run more supply, defend more dolyak’s, take out more enemy siege, defend more back field, cut off more supplies, take more supply camps, provide more intel, get to defense calls faster, clear more walls, etc, etc then 90% of the zerglets all while solo. Just because you prefer small group play, does not mean you are not playing for and with your team. Many roles to be filled, running around in a big ball is just one of them.

The whole ‘got somewhere more important to be’/tactics angle is also valid, but let’s be honest how often? I have had people run away from me taking a supply camp just before point tally. All they had to do was stand in the circle for 20 seconds and they would have kept the points, but instead they ran.

As for the question, I have given it some thought myself and my general feel is lacking in confidence is a much more accurate term then fear. They have no confidence in their class, build, spec and/or gear and as such will not engage. Overall I am fine with that, the wonderful thing about WvW is that it provides play opportunity for all types of players. Some of us are competitive and spend hours and hours fine tuning our builds, gear, learning other classes, etc. Other people just want to roll out for 2 hours of free time and enjoy a good fight. Both are 100% acceptable, I just wish the latter crowd would recognize that their knowledge of the game may be limited before they post their next QQ thread

Sunspots.9861:

I’m not sure alot of people on other servers realize that if you don’t have the outmanned buff…you aren’t outmanned.

Technically incorrect. If you die, you often do not have the outmanned buff, even if everyone else in the zone does. Further define outmanned? I would assume most people do not just use the term for when they have the buff, rather any time there are more of one side vs the other. The outmanned buff doesnt kick in for a certain amount over (4x?).

The discussion in my opinion is a circular one. Vorpal above had some great points and I think the rest of it is largely perception. I will see more tactics in a single night from CD then I will all week from TC, does this mean TC is incapable or simply not doing anything fancy because it is not required when you can roll out enough folks to just brute force it?

Hopefully the next tier will let TC use all of the tools available, and dust the cobwebs off the ones held in storage. Personally I look forward to the change, I found TC to be a boring opponent for my style of play, which is small group/solo. Admittedly the game is not designed for this style of play, but typically it provides a lot of enjoyment regardless.

Tortun.5946:

Hi Anet folks,

Its become increasingly apparent that some people has discovered that you can pull the guild claimer from some supply camps without having to deal with the easier mobs smacking you about whilst killing the toughest most crucial guy in the pack.

It’s kind of annoying to see this happen especially when a camp is fully upgraded and there’s only a max of 1 to 3 people taking the camp. We upgrade our camps because at night it’s very difficult to defend spots due to the whole not having enough people to cover all our bases. So to see camps being taken so easily after spending the money on them is slightly annoying.

When a guard is attacked the entire group should pounce into action…. fix it pleeeeeeeeease!

This would just be abused in a different way. I pull camp, friend pulls off the one they want to kill while I kite the rest around, rinse/repeat. I pull camp, friend kills defenders that no longer have any guard protection, because I am kiting them all around.

Camps are much harder to kill with upgrades, more importantly they are way easier to defend. They are meant to be defended, if you want to leave a fully upgraded camp undefended, that is up to you.

Traitine.8713:

I made a Christmas themed video from last night’s carnage at Bluebriar. Watch it in HD and full screen! Enjoy!

What a boring video. I kept thinking something is bound to happen, he made a video of the ‘carnage’ after all, but there was nothing

If that is what passes for farming badges when you are TC…. lol.

Handin.4032:

This has happened a few times…I’m sure it’s only a few individuals who are doing the exploiting, but here is my plea: If you see someone on your own server exploiting, please PLEASE report them. Don’t take their portals taking you into keeps freely, don’t support them. The moment WvW becomes an exploit-fest, is the moment it starts to die. Just report them. There have been reports of all servers doing it, so lets just stop it by everyone not supporting it.

What I always do before taking one of these portals is ask who the mesmers are and ask them how they got in. There is no way for me to prove they are lying or not when they say they were hidden, but I take a screenshot so that it is documented if a particular situation proves contentious. It wont save the keep/tower, but it can at least hold those mesmers accountable after the fact.