Guild Wars 2

Spira.4578:

I still find it funny how people are complaining about a guy doing what he wanted to do inside their mini-game, while they were doing the same thing – on a bigger scale

In this case, i’m on the side of the developer.

No one cares that he disrupted it, or tried to, that happens all the time. The fact that he then flagged up and expressed his opinion on other peoples activity, giving an official overture to the entire interaction is the problem.

Oh well, at least they apologized in a nice spin doctor fashion while not addressing if ANET actually views GvG the way the employee did.

Zepher.7803:

GvG doesn’t contribute the the WvW experience, i’d say it’s more on the side of exploit more than anything since you can control the amount of wxp and loot to a certain extent.

Why do you zerglets keep saying this kind of stupid crap? I dont GvG. I think most GvGers are knuckle draggers that think they are at some new elite level because they managed to figure out how to stack and use hammer abilities while moving. They still need potions and the target reticule to follow one another, but still its an improvement I guess.

That said, GvG has greatly increased the skill cap in WvW and has done more for reducing the blob size than anything ANET has done. It is also responsible for a lot of people still playing the game, when they would have otherwise quit. And for what matters to ANET they spend a lot of gems transferring around looking for competitive fights.

As an employee of ANET he has to hold himself to a higher standard while in game and he failed to do that. Does not matter what the players said, or what the situation is, he was in the wrong.

Shads.9468:

I’m not worried, NNK and the rest of the oceanic blob on DB will keep DB afloat as always.

Looks like they left as well.

Andrew Clear.1750:

Now, that we got a lot of guilds that transferred in, our coverage has gone up. I don’t know why they chose our server, but I am glad, because they brought some skilled WvW players with them, and it is fun to run with them.

They server stacked because they wanted to dominate in the second league. I doubt they share an interest in getting to the bottom of gold.

Chris.3290:

Blix.8021:

Nozzie.2067:

MrFluffy.9307:

Peetee.9406:

Blow for Dough

Three week epic tank-a-thon between SoS, DB and Mag to determine which server has to suffer in the Gold League.

SBI might actually take the #6 spot just in time for leagues.

While I suspect that SBI may eventually rank higher than Mag & SoS, I doubt that this will happen before Season 1 starts.

DB seem to currently be doing a stellar job of getting themselves in to Silver League.

Dragonbrand has lost every major wvw guild in the past month.

They held their own in a crappy matchup last week with SoR in the mix, but now they can’t handle EhmBay? I call shenanigans.

You could just look into things before accusing a server of tanking on purpose. Bad enough all their guilds got bought by T1 recruiters, now they get to enjoy being accused of crap by dumb people in the process of settling towards the bottom.

I think everyone should add him to your friends list and every time he logs on he should receive thousands of ‘hi, we love gvg’

Peetee.9406:

Blow for Dough

Three week epic tank-a-thon between SoS, DB and Mag to determine which server has to suffer in the Gold League.

More like fight for spot in gold because unless SBI has gotten enough transfers to be a fight it would be 7 weeks of boredom to hold the top of silver.

DB lost a lot of guilds/players to the T1 recruitment drive

DevonCarver.5370:

I’d just like to make a note of one thing that I think people aren’t considering when they transfer to stacked worlds. You will not, repeat will not, be able to receive the reward based on overall world place in the league, unless you achieve the meta achievement for the season. If you aren’t able to get into WvW much, you won’t get the rewards. So it is absolutely taking a risk to transfer to a world that has a large WvW population.

Bluff charge. We all know the meta achievement will be dead simple to get. You made the game for people’s pets, why would it suddenly be hard now?

Entropy.4732:

Niim.9260:

Not sure why you would have ever been against double teaming. The whole point of three way battles is to have impromptu and planned double teaming, it helps balance.

The stigma against double teaming is counter productive and a lot of matches would be a lot more interesting if folks accepted this. No extra infrastructure needed, just need players to grow a clue.

My problem with double teaming was that the alliance often formed was between the 1st server and the 2nd server in order to crush the 3rd server off the map. An in-game infrastructure for alliances would prevent that.

I doubt that even happened, let alone would be the norm. Most of the people that cry double team are clueless folks with tunnel vision, entirely ignoring what is happening on other maps. I remember once watching a huge battle between two enemy servers while my server was QQing in team chat about being double teamed.

Folks go for the third server because it is easy points, not because there is a double team and the reason that happens is because of the stigma folks like yourself put on legitimate double teaming.

Not sure why you would have ever been against double teaming. The whole point of three way battles is to have impromptu and planned double teaming, it helps balance.

The stigma against double teaming is counter productive and a lot of matches would be a lot more interesting if folks accepted this. No extra infrastructure needed, just need players to grow a clue.

Area loot was a fairly big change for the positive, I do not find the loot system nearly as annoying as it was and can live with it this way as I think there is much more pressing issues in wvw.

x per fection x.2096:

Or.. you could stop taking a video game so seriously. Who cares if we are winning by over 100k points and do a golem rush? I wasn’t there nor would I take part in anything PPT related but stop being so dramatic please

Its a bunch of people doing what they deem fun, if it bothers you don’t participate.

The enemies ability to enjoy themselves has a direct correlation on our ability to enjoy our selves. The more defenses they can do, the more foot holds they have, the more likely folks are to come out and play.

Golem rushes mean taking things before they can mount a defense, why would we need to do that in a match like this? More importantly why would we want to?

AndrewRain.3169:

Did’t know that Maguuma was so rich with gold to spend all those Omega Golem.

I find the screenshot disgusting. We are leading by over 100k points, we greatly outnumber both of our opponents, probably more then they have combined, yet we are doing golem rushes. Some folks need to transfer to TC.

Sharpoon.8197:

The people that complain about those stuff aren’t the ones doing the transferring, just so you know. It’s the people that were already on that server…….

Just so you know, that statement has the credibility of Devon Carver.

Zenguy.6421:

Even with (or perhaps because of) the disasters of the current patch, WvW is rapidly turning into a game focus on the hardcore WvW players and servers.

I didn’t get past this gem. There is no game in the history of MMOs, including WoW, that has done more to cater to the exact opposite of ‘hardcore’ than GW2. The entire game is about lowering the bar so low that even our pets can play.

Everything about WvW favors casual zerging and the only reason any hardcore players are still playing is because there is really nothing else to switch to.

Sovereign.1093:

Those are legitimate issues. They should be complained of.

You can complain about them if you do not fit the criteria I mentioned. If you do fit the criteria then it is your own fault and you deserve it.

All you folks that decided to stack for the meaningless leagues, and the people that paid for them to transfer, can we get a promise that you will not:

- complain about skill lag
- complain about ques
- complain about boring matches because you outnumber others
- complain about anything else I might have missed that is a result of you people being so stupid.

Thanks, I appreciate your consideration. Good luck winning the WvW equivalent of the Darwin Awards.

Removing AoE cap just means we all die to retaliation. We do not need more targets, we just need them to stay down. No rally in WvW and the game will be forever changed.

ptitminou.6489:

I read some posts and ideas from other players, some of those are downright bad and counterproductive. Perhaps for each good idea, there are 10 bad ones.

Far as I can tell even some of the really bad ideas are still better ideas than ANET is coming up with on their own, so what do they have to lose?

Bottom line is that ANET doesn’t have anyone that really plays WvW at a competitive level. If they want to understand how things actually work in a live game and why many of their ideas are crap, they need to pay attention to all of these ideas, even the bad ones.

Chris.3290:

Honestly, I think your Pvkitten turns some people away.

Also, there isn’t a real compelling reason to join. “Maguuma, kings of the NA only servers” doesn’t really grab attention.

In my opinion one of Maguuma’s more important qualities as a community is that they do not take themselves overly seriously. If someone takes the forums seriously enough to judge an entire server, then in all honesty Maguuma is not the place for them anyways.

ANET doesnt play WvW other then the occasional keyboard turner that runs around flagged with the zerg. The vision, as we have seen so far, is that megablobs are fun even though their own hardware cant support it. They acknowledge matchups are not even, yet make a league out of WvW… I think that speaks volumes.

Its just stuff they can put in press releases to make it look like the game is better then it is, the fact that it doesn’t work and lacks any insight into how WvW actually plays out is irrelevant for the PR machine.

Actinotus.6410:

Yes I am sure Anet might have a better idea than a player who might be on for a few hours in their timezone on one server.

They might also have more vested interest in making up whatever makes them look better.

CrassBippy.4619:

It took me 5 minutes using them on my warrior to know they are broken.

“We are gathering data and will determine if these runes are overpowered. We need more data”

collecting data

In fairness your 5 mins is more time spent then entire dev team combined.

Sol.8341:

I would go along the lines of : " It’s not as good as the other server choices at the moment " Look at the leaderboards and analyse the upcoming league system.

Who gives two kittens about the league system or leaderboards? PPT is a joke now, adding a league doesn’t fix any of its obvious issues.

Its fine, this way the karma/wxp trains can do their circles even faster, maybe they might bump into one another by accident.

Sol.8341:

TC which has extraordinary coordination among guilds (e.g. Teq kills) .

I am pretty excited about TC’s PvE success.

DevonCarver.5370:

Lord Kuru.3685:

If they did listen to us, it’s only because of drastically declining WvW numbers (as stated in Devon’s infamous alpha forum post).

To head it off at the pass, there have not been drastically declining WvW numbers, or even marginally declining numbers. WvW continues to be as strong as it has been over the past several months. We made some decisions internally and were able to accommodate changes that it didn’t seem feasibly originally and that’s why the changes that are going to be announced later this week happened.

I can pull numbers out of my rear end as well, doesn’t make them true.

Seems like karma is a more important thing to fight for then PPT.

Keiel.7489:

Thanks for posting this. I never understood pure support characters, you contribute a lot when providing water fields, boons and CCs. But you do even more if you also provide meaningful DPS. I just think pure support is fore people too lazy to multi task roles.

I can only assume you are a zerglet that is too lazy to leave the zerg and certainly too lazy to work with a small team in a way that creates synergy.

While I generally disagree with the buffs, I think folks are over-reacting a fair bit as well. More often then not I see the buffs moving around and you never seem to have +100 or more for very long.

Bottom line is that the stat balance is only going to mess up close fights and let’s be honest, how often do we actually have those? When I spent all my time soloing I fought on average one person a week worth fighting, the rest of the fights, the buff would have no impact at all on the outcome.

It impacts GvG, but if the GvG community (big generalization here) didn’t strut around like roosters because they managed to master a hammer train they might be in better standing with their fellow players and be able to ask them to balance the buffs out for the duration of the GvG.

Last thing we want is zergs heading into the ruins to farm WXP, be happy it doesnt reward any imo.

DevonCarver.5370:

Dese.1382:

MiLkZz.4789:

Imagine you taking down 1 gate/wall of a a keep/tower. Imagine 50 people inside which ain’t that abnormal. Imagine they all chaining their aoe into the gap. Good luck walking through and surviving.

Aoe cap is there not only for the servers, but also because some things will be just impossible to cap and some classes will be rediculously OP. Like Ele and ranger, no. If aoe is unlimited, make healing unlimited aswel and all the other spells. But OOPS, we are back to 0 than…

So yea aoe cap is there for a really really good reason.

There is a dev post flat out saying, in plain english, its there for the simple reason of server performance.

I will say it again. If the cap were raised performance would suffer greatly. That is why it hasn’t been changed.

To bad the same performance limitations do not apply to things like arrow carts.

They are just zerglets anyways, not even worth being KoS.

Comprissent.3856:

I am going to generalize your server, because the only guilds that don’t zerg are HAWK and GF, and some AD

I only see HAWK in a zerg. A big tight ball that does no damage at all because I am sure they are all PVT, but they look impressive as they run around in circles accomplishing nothing.

Drigan.7382:

Do competitive WvW guilds have to stop playing to show you that you need to change it?

Nothing about WvW is competitive. Apparently ANET wants it to be that way, since everything about their design is about appeasing the non-competitive in the crowd.

So out of random curiosity, why does anyone play on SoS? Seems like such a lopsided server. Big off hour population, small NA population. I could see playing NA there because you would always be in a target rich environment, but I haven’t encountered many on SoS that really seem like the type to appreciate that situation.

The server doesn’t have the population to be competitive at higher tiers, and they have this huge off hour population that never fights anyone because no one in these tiers has much of an off hour population.

Seems incredibly boring for the off hour folks.

katniss.6735:

I just woke up. What did I miss?

P.S. What are the best guild tags for roaming/ small fights (1-10 size) this matchup?

AD would be the only noteworthy one I think.

DevonCarver.5370:

Upgrading the commander system and UI is on our goal list. It’s a complicated task, requiring lots of resources however, which means it isn’t going to happen overnight. Believe me though, I find our commander system almost entirely lacking in useful functionality.

Crazy suggestion. Maybe instead of wasting lots of resources on a completely pointless league system, you could put them towards the squad UI system or any number of other important elements that this game has lacked for so long.

These forums are without question the most over moderated forums of any game I have every played. Historically I might get one infraction for the entire time I played a game, in GW2 I have received so many infractions that I stopped caring about them entirely. Why bother trying to stay within the rules if you get random infractions regardless of your efforts.

Apparently league play is more important use of limited resources.

1. Guard stacks are the only wxp abilities worth getting for those of us that have no interest in being siege bots. WXP is easy to earn in your big zerg balls, takes no time at all to get it if you want it, so I fail to see why this is a huge issue.

2. Food is cheap, everyone has access even at lower levels and most of us don’t use top tier food anyways.

3. Stacking Weapons – sigils and weapons are cheap, everyone has access.

4. Ascended Stuff – hardly an upgrade at all, not worth complaining about. Most of my guild doesnt even have more then a piece or two and we run a havoc group.

5. Orb Buffs – not a huge fan of the buffs, but I want to see how it plays out before I get worked up. So far tonight we spent most of the time with 1 buff, same as the other two servers, so not really that big of a deal.

Overall my opinion is that most people play wvw, half asleep, poorly and with crummy builds, while running around in big zergs. Extra stats wont help those folks be better and it is almost impossible for them to get worse. The more serious players are going to have these buffs anyways so it balances out.

sorry that your karma/wxp train is taking a momentary break from running around in circles doing PvDoor.

I am sure it will be back to the regular pattern of combat avoidance in the near future.

Xabu.3754:

Not all jobs in the US are 9-5.

Not to mention NA consists of what 7 time zones?

The game didnt get rid of the trinity, they just made it more accessible so you are not forced to use very specific classes which at time were in demand because they sucked outside of their respective roles.

What GW2 has shown us though is that if developers make the roles less clear the obvious response by the player base is to pretend roles and synergy do not exist and that you should all just play like a collection of solo’ers. Why everyone needs to be spoon fed the obvious class synergies that exist in the game is beyond me, but really until ANET un-apologetically puts in tougher content that requires people actually working together to complete it, this game will remain in the low end of the skill pool.

Wolfield.9812:

Run stability. Confusion thief now useless. Enjoy the easy kill.

why do people keep posting this kitten? The ease for some classes to add confusion via the perlexity runes greatly outpaces the cooldowns on stability, not to mention the methods of stripping boons.

Herr der Friedhoefe.2490:

Did I miss something, or am I right in thinking that the “decay prevention” team will get ZERO reward for sitting on their duff in the ruin of power? Just like scouts in towers/keeps get ZERO reward for doing an important job?

Reward for these points would ruin them, imo. They would become another stop on the karma/wxp train.

I get that wvw needs to go down before the servers do, but why so long?

DevonCarver.5370:

My concern with four leagues is simply that there isn’t enough variety at that point. I could very well be wrong, but we are going to try season 1 this way and then we’ll take a look at how it played out.

I like that ‘variety’ is more important than competitiveness in league play…

SubHonour Guard.6498:

I’d also appreciate it if Maguuma would stop trebbing us from their spawn.

I never understood why someone would get bent out of shape about this? The only time it happens is when the server is hugely outnumbered and pushed back to their base. Given they are pushed back to their base you are fighting no one, if they treb from in the base that means they need to come out and fight for the tower they treb the walls down at, which means you get a fight.

You get a fight, they get something to fight over, seems like win win to me.