Guild Wars 2

No one can “tank” in PvE. U can be max useless by maximizing personal defense, but u can´t tank.

Sollith.3502:

“Ranger Design Philosophy: Please keep this in mind when posting feedback.
The Ranger is a resilient profession that excels at skirmishing by drawing from nature to support themselves as well as their allies. Alongside their pet, they have some of the best single target and sustained damage that will whittle their opponents down.” – From the developer post in Collaborative Development: Ranger Profession

… I can’t stop laughing…

Ranger´s do a little bit more dps then warriors.

Max dps group on a wall
3 Ele
1 Warrior (support build with EA)
1 Ranger

without a wall
3 Ele
1 warrior
1 Mesmer (Mesploit with FGS)

If u don´t like FGS and/or a normal team (because max dps is =/= fastest dungeon run) pick up.

1 Guard (probably mesmer, but usually the guard is much better)
1 Warrior
2 Ele
1 Thief or ranger

As u can see, necro/engineer are the bad PvE classes, mesmers are not needed, some portal tricks, but thats it. A guard can do everything else better.

Do u have freedom in GW2 PvE?

I like the dogderoll and active migition/most of the skills are useable while moving. I like to dogde if i know what i have to dogde. But that´s not all we get.

Range combat is useless in PvE, u can play it but on cost of any meleeplayer.

Healing Builds are useless, if the group doesn´t need u. How can u call it freedom?

Most of the weapons are bad/useless, CC is not needed, supporty weapons are usually not needed or bad designded.

If u enjoy to play a “tanky” guy who is controlling the fight (CC and so on) u can´t do it here. U will become useless.

If u want to play a glassy high dps toon, but u aren´t good enough to surive rly long fights. U can join high dps gruops, but u will die if the group is bad (especially if they use ranged weapons) do u have a choice now?
A PVT guardian is useless in a Zerkgroup too.

In other games the player choice what they want to play. Some want to play a healer, others not. This is much more freedom then we have in GW2.
Even trinity classes should have build varity and diffrent styles of gameplay.

U think stacking in a corner is boring? I think that too, but do u know why most people are using it? Because there is no tank who is controlling mobs movement.

No u don´t need to spend 30 points always.

~53% with a 30/30/0/10/0 or 30/30/0/0/10 build.

8% banner > 61% 20% fury > 81% > Food ~ 85% which is low. Below 50% u have 95% which is good.
At the moment i don´t think that stacking precision is a good choice.

Which EA build is imo the best?
30/10/0/20/10 without Evis, or this.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vIAQNAn5cjMd03Z3H2ewJagwoYIB58gKQh8JFlhMA-zACBYfC0kfAEEwUBgZmFRjt4qIas6aYKXER1kCIilRA-e
Fury comes from Ele, so signet of rage is not used. Evis on CD.
Looks for me like.

Losing 100 Power ~ 20% dmg (Berserkers Might and 10% critdmg) to get 320 precision, 150 power (bloodlust),10% dmg and Evis.
And u lose less dps if u can´t stack precision.

Are 10% less Vul-duration rly a problem? Usually 1/2 or 1/4second less duration should not rly matter.
E-Power say the first build is better, but it´s not good to compare diffrent rotations.
Practical tests (Golems, fullbuffed Giant will follow) tell me that 20/30/0/20/0 does a bit more dps.

Does anyone have some spreedsheet numbers? My excel skills are worse then my english…

atheria.2837:

I know there are many and in PvE I am beast – I am a strange mixture of armor – exotics with all but one ascended trinkets.

Pets are underrated – the warhorn birds can do some serious to deadly damage -

My build for what it’s worth:

10 -IV
30 – II – III – IV
30 – I – VII – VIII
0
0

Signet of Renewal
Signet of the Hunt
Flame Trap
Entangle

My gear is a mix of crit, toughness and precision with some vitality thrown in – probably my lowest stat but I can still rez others while taking some serious damage

I use Troll Unguent for healing so I don’t have to stand in the spring, it takes from players in a zerg but me rezzing them is far more important to me than healing others who are still up.

Such builds are the reason why most rangers “suck” in PvE.

WH 4 does less dmg per castime then sword 1, use it only if u can´t attack the opponent in meleerange.
Basic knowlegde…

U need to remind you are posting in a Guild Wars 2 forum?

Your point with the whirl is ok. But as i said traited purging flames are enough. I run every dungeon in this game. Some of them solo, or teaching runs. And conditions are nearly never a problem. And every class has got condition cleanse.

Zorby.8236:

The fact that our weapon coefficients are lower than other classes doesn’t automatically mean we can run whatever because “we won’t get the full out of zerk anyway”. That’s as stupid as saying “Well, I’m already only getting 80% scaling, might as well go full 0%”. Full zerk is still going to be better dps than any hybrid, especially one that includes Toughness, Vitality or Compassion.

@OP, you said it yourself, most of the defensive properties of the GS comes from the GS itself, passive evasion, stun/daze and one kick-kitten block. Stacking even more defensive stats with it won’t be needed! You should try to run as much zerk as possible, and start by switching out lower stat pieces (Shoulder/Hands/Feet, then Head).

TL;DR: Berserkers

Yes, the only useful answer here.

Traited purging flames and Symbol +WW are enough, there is no need for 25 virtouos if u don´t pick up UC.
But blind/vulspam is important and usefull often.

15/25/0/20/10 should be the better choice.

If u don´t need the thoughness, zealot´s is always better then cleric´s.

hybrid.5027:

Norjena.5172:

hybrid.5027:

full clerics, mace/shield + staff, 0/0/30/30/10

have fun!

Bad traits for a clerics guaridan. AH is useless and not needed. 0/0/10/30//30, 0/0/20/30/20, 0/15/10/20/20, all are much better.
DPS Guard>Rest, but maxheal/support cleric>useless AH Egomanic guard.

BTW: Healingpower ist useless without perma protection, Hammer is a must have.

dont be so elitist against my build please !

Just the truth not more, not less. If u don´t like it, play your build, i´ve done my job it is your choice.

hybrid.5027:

full clerics, mace/shield + staff, 0/0/30/30/10

have fun!

Bad traits for a clerics guaridan. AH is useless and not needed. 0/0/10/30//30, 0/0/20/30/20, 0/15/10/20/20, all are much better.
DPS Guard>Rest, but maxheal/support cleric>useless AH Egomanic guard.

BTW: Healingpower ist useless without perma protection, Hammer is a must have.

Lurock Turoth.9085:

I love Reaper’s Touch but Axe 2 Ghastly Claws is WAY better than dagger AA, my GC routinely hits 15k by its self. Zerker necro is boss to kittens with condi!

Do some math and don´t tell lies.

Dagger AA =>Axe 2, Axe 2 is ranged, but it does not deal more dmg.

Ranger´s can blow!…..a warhorn….too

Gotejjeken.1267:

Power builds are a bit lacking at the moment for ranger, although I don’t see why you couldn’t try one.

Beastmaster has been working out alright for me, although I run a 0/10/30/0/30 build focusing on conditions. Might be able to shuffle it around to something more power oriented.

Hes talking mainlyabout PvE.
And in PvE powerbuilds aren´t lacking, they are the only viable and usefull builds.

Dagger offhand ist ok for PvE, good and easy to use evade. And skill 5 ist a small dps win.
But Warhorn/Axe are usually better because of their utility.

No, ranger´s have no teleport skills.

BM traits are not so strong in PvE. Sword/Dagger is ok, but a warhorn is better for buffs.
GS is the second best choice if u can´t use the mainhand sword.

And u should switch your traits at least. U can´t have one! “good” build in PvE and WvsW.

Restricted record runs are not using Shop boosters, they´re not allowed.

TurtleDragon.3108:

Rangers suffer from handicaps such as having a pet, and being unable to max melee range with sword. Rangers are also middle of the pack in terms of DPS, prolly on the lower side too.

These are the problems, well written. Fixing Pet AI and/or AoE dmg reduce for them is important, otherwise the class can´t be balanced in PvE. And we need a second high dps melee weapon. Greatsword or anything new, but we need it.

I would never join such a group. They´re wasting my time and it´s boring to play like this.
Imo Axe 1 is rly bad. 2-5 are good or at least “ok”.

Sure last man standing, but useless last man standing. A berserker/dps traited necro can die after 50% boss health and did more dmg then u. Sad but true.
Non tanky mates have no benefit if some1 is tanky like hell. And tanky ones want to get some heals or so.
U can play it, but it´s never optimal or “good”. If it´s your fun no1 will stop u. But don´t call it “usefull”.

20 25 0 25 0 is another DPS alternative. This is the best. Most options, best dps.
30/25/0/15/0 is not rly well. Bad vulstacking or more stability (for skipping Arah P2 for example) are the only benefits.

All other builds are much weaker imo.

BTW: A ~600 heal per second + permaprot clerics guardian can make my runs abit easier. A ranger without spotter/spirit can make it only slower. So i would prefer the cleric´s guardian…

Just make your own LFG. U can´t find good peope while looking for Zerk only/Melee only/Xk Afk points only.

Most of the people using the LFG tool can´t even read. How can they manage to play their class?
Every1 welcome (usually not fast, but friendly/funny players), or guild/FL are the best ways to find a group.

The only thing that is worse then my english in PvE.
Is Greatsword 1….
Rewarding maxrange with more dmg, is a nogo in the current state of guild wars 2 combat mechanics.
2-4 are nice, 5 is…ok

Confusion/Vulnerability/Torment are ok if u are far away from your target. But not dmg. Not in this game. Nochance to make this weapon viable in PvE without changing GS 1 dmg.

GW2 rangers have Pets, and they call birds/nature spirits to support them. Guns are loud, making alot of noise.

thefantasticg.3984:

You don’t run warhorn for 4 you run it for 5… and it’s better than torch and axe in dungeons.

I never said he shouldn´t run WH, i only said he should not use WH skill 4 because of it´s “good dmg”.

WH 4 is bad, use it only if u can´t attack with your sword at the moment. After Lupicus AoE lifeleech or Grawl shaman AoE for example.

Specific Game Mode
PvE (dungeons/fractals, based on competive teamplay not zerging)

Proposal Overview
Pet´s need help, a few weapon improvements

Goal of Proposal
Pet´s are important, but lackluster. They can´t hit moving target, their F2 Skills are slow and they are hard to control. Because they finish they´re current animation before they follow your order.
Weapons – more viable weapon choices

Proposal Functionality
Weapons:
Longbow 1 should reward maxrange. But dmg should not scale with max range. It is important to share boons/buffs and stay near (that means not stacking) together to control a fight by controlling mobs movement.

Rewarding maxrange with more dmg is the opposite of this GW2 combat rule. Let it apply more Vulneratbility, torment/cripple higher chance to procc a combofinisher or anything else at maxrange.

Sidenote: If u change this, u should change mesmers greatswords aswell

LB 2 should be a “Burstskill”, reduce the casttime but let dmg/vul as it is. At the moment it is doing less dps then 1 at 900+range.

Greatsword:
Increase the weapons dps by at least 20%, and utility to be onpar with the 1h sword. Rangers need more viable weapons. They don´t need a “DPS Rotation” like warriors or guardians, but they need a “utility rotation”. Or at least a second weapon which they can use if they want without losing too much dps/support.

1h sword: dogding should override the jump animations.

Pets: They need a cleave/aoe reduction in dungeons.
They should scale with the rangers stats/weapon dmg.
AI improvement to make them faster. As a example did u ever played a hunter in World of Warcraft? The pet is there, it is doing it´s job, u can command it. But it´s not a chain which is holding the hunter back.
Or at least, make them invulnerably when the ranger is using a dogderoll/skill.

Associated Risks
- It is a risk to play the 1h sword now. It is a risk to use pet´s. I think these changes are rly needed they´re part of the rangers and GW2 core mechanics.

Rifle/Pistol on rangers is a nogo!
They are a nature (magic) based class. Not a Pew Pew Laz0rgun hunt€r/sn!p€r whatever.

Nope, i don´t mean this. I mean the “Tribal Longbow” as a shortbow.
Look at argos.soft under shortbows, there is 1 shortbow with this skin.

One of the ingamelinks.

[&AgFncgAA]

What´s with the mystic shortbow?
http://argos-soft.net/GW2/WeaponGallery/index.php?weapon=3&skinID=10108e5&lang=en
This one, is it ingame or just datamining? One of the IG links has got a sigil ingame. It could be a personal story reward or something like this, but i don´t know.

My last link is the old 20/25/0/25/0 fullzerk/sholar runes build, but with s/torch and s/horn because the TE wanted to play a torch.

1. every conditionclass can do this job.
2. u can just kite the husks away, killing them is only one viable tactic, not the only one.

If u can´t stay alive use “Metabuild” with a few parts of knights or soldier gear. Still more dps (and support i guess).

Or a 30/25/15/0/0 pure Axe build to get the adrenalinregen. Both is better then too much points in defensive (or tactics)

dmg multipliers with defensive gear>offensive gear without dmg multipliers.

Btw, to support alles with banners/might and EA well, they have to play correct.

A clerics shouthealwarrior will get less benefit from banner/EA then a metabuild warrior u can´t say u´re incresing your party dps well if u don´t know there builds.
If they don´t use any dmg increasing traits and/or gear aswell it´s better to play max solodps to get maxpartydps.

Pets have their own condition dmg. They don´t scale with the rangers gearchoice.

Sword is powerweapon, the burning from the torch (and bit direct dmg) is ok for solo pve. U can use any powerbased gear like berserker, knights or soldiers.

Example build, nothing for dungeons/fractals or organized events like the great junglewurm. But good for easy open PvE.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQJAsfnEVkZZVQWWwahgokittenCJ69A9qv9+D+H-jwxAY/ASRAJLAJwioxWULiGraBTVSEVHDgZA-e

Another idea.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQJAsfnEVkZZVQWWwahgokittenHJCRH6VA9+D+H-jwxAY/ASRAJLAJwioxWULiGraBTVSEVHDgZA-e

Changed Dungeonmetabuild.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNBMfD7koiMLrCyyCWLEELF7Z/cGJ6QvCo3fw/A-jwxAY/ASRAJLAJwioxWULiGraBTVSEVHDgZA-e

Dungeonmetabuild, is working well for open PvE too.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNBMfD7koiILrCyqCWLDELF7Z/cGJ6QeGl6UA-jwxAY/ASRAJLAJvioxWcLiGraBTVSEVHDgZA-e

Warhorn 5 used in your torch´s firefield will grant up to 5 allies 3 stacks of might. Nice support for open world bosses.

Difficult question, are u ok with staff + dagger/dagger (hybrid)?, or axe/focus + dagger/warhorn(berserker)?

Axe and staff is hard to match in a (useful) PvEbuild.

Axe is a bad conditon weapon (1 2 and 3 are good). SB + Sword/dagger or sword/torch are usually much better.

It needs condition on AA or dmg, or both. But i should not bounce anymore. They can´t, and they will not balance such an AA.
Vs 1 target it´s always useless.
Vs 2 it can be too strong (if 1 targets gets 2 hits)
vs 3 it´s only good when u couldn´t cleave the targets with a meleeweapon.

So i think axe 1 is in a rly bad state of balance. Axe should not be a conditon weapon, it should be a hybridweapon. Probably like warrior sword 4 a chain with direct dmg and conditions.

There is no problem if some1 says “i play X because i like it even if i know other builds are better”.
But usually people are saying “i play X because it´s better then Y, or your Meta is out of date and so on”.
Which is (most times) a lie. That´s the problem here.

If u don´t like the mainhand sword (for example) it´s ok, if u like wilderness survival traits it´s ok. But don´t tell others that GS (or Axe MH) + WS is better then sword + metabuild. Just as an example.

Dagger/Focus, Axe 2 is not rly “burst” it´s ranged, but not better for dmg then dagger 1.

No ur group was just bad and u don´t reckongnize how bad conditionbuilds in dungeons usually are.

Trash can die in 2-5seconds, which dungeon doesn´t matter. U can´t tell me that epidemic is “usefull” there.
Most PuGs don´t care what u play, they are slow and play bad most times. A conditionecro is “ok” in such groups if u´re the only condition based class/build.
If u enjoy to play a conditionmancer, just join “play what u want” groups and everything is fine.

“Speedrunners” don´t want conditionnecromancers. Some are kicking all necros, others are OK with Zerkdaggernecs.

Arah story is soloable…

Chokolata.1870:

25 into wilderness is better then into skirmishing. Play 30 0 25 15 0. OH training so good with OH axe

Ehm? No!

- 250 Precision ~ 11% critical chance
- 25% critical dmg
- 30% petcritical dmg
- Might (or heal) for your pet

U get….a bit CD reduction wich isn worth taking in PvE and…protection, but that´s it.

hellsmachine.4085:

DPS alone won’t help you win in PvP.

DPS don’t mean squat if you can’t land a hit.

Shiel>Stun and block
Sword >torment, a second burstskill and a block
Warhorn>conditionremove, AoE weakness/vigor and a blast finisher
Mace> Knochdown with rly high dps/casttime in meleerange and Vulnerability

All these weapon are much better. Even a mace is better in PvP/WvsW to interupt a stomp or rezz and so on.
Axe 5 is always way to weak. The only niche was the awesome healing capacity with the old food (no ICD).

hellsmachine.4085:

Can’t auto attack when target is dodging like a squirrell on crack, or even stealthed. Whirling axe comes in handy for this.

Rly? Öh, yes u can. Just push the 1, axe 5 don´t hit if the target is dogding too.

Axe 1 radius is BIG, just try to use it without a target. Much better then Axe 5 to hit stealthed targets.

Only a dark field could make it usefull in teamfights. But whirl finishers are…meh.

If u need vulnerability 2 is better. But that´s it. Rly rly weak skill 4 1/2sec channel to tickle your enemys.

Way too much PVT and bad runes, ogre is rly bad.

4% critical chance and no critdmg, just LoL. This is build is only for trolling but not usefull in teamplay. If any other will get focused u can stay afk, it will be the same because u do zero dmg and support.

U can´t say a build is good because u can stay alive. Better play a healway guardian, more tanky, and at least usefull.

Dual Axe=Kick. Complet useless offhand, worst warrior offhand in all gamemodes.

In PvP Dualaxe is a Joke in WvsW they are just funny, loot to go.
And in PvE they´re rly rly weak. I don´t want to carry such a bad warrior through any dungeon/fractal.

Axe 2 and 3 are ok. But 1 is horribel bad, no conditionweapon, and terrible direct dmg.

U should look at other classes range dmg. Even guardians can do much more (Scepter AA is easy to avoid but “good” dps).

Engineers are much better, they can burst, they have cc and so on. 1500 range is rly not needed. Warriors are better to “snipe out” singel people. They can down the players, and finish them.
Staff Ele deals double/triple dmg of a LB ranger and everything is AoE.

Only Mesmers and Necromancers have worse range dps.

Straegen.2938:

Stacking is a fundamental part of the game because of fields and combos (also AoE limits in many instances). There are only a few situations in the game where stacking isn’t significantly more beneficial. Intentional or not, it is core to the game and likely not going to change.

This, and it doesn´t matter what u play. Max dps builds or ultimate defense, stacking is always superior.
Range combat is most times useless. I think removing the trinity without any good ideas to replace it, was a bad trade.

But u can´t do decent dps with LB/GS. Guard/engineer can do more.

Spotter/Frost (probably Earth) spirit are must have to be a viable partymember in dungeons/fractals and even open world (u can switch spotter to something else if u fight “building” bosses like Mark 2 Golem).

I like to play GS too (well i´ve got twilight on my ranger), but it´s a horribel stand alone weapon. It´s sometimes usefull, but usually the sword can do anything better.

1) Ranger (PvE/PvP)
2) Necromancer (PvE!)
3) Engineer