Guild Wars 2

It’s absolutely amazing the sheer amount of stupid decisions players are making. I was almost ruby and lost 3 games in a row.

One game we had 3 bunkers, I was going mid, one was contesting far and the other also went mid? Okay? Reaper got home so it’s all good.
Except not, the reaper started losing to a bunker ele and fleed from home. He FLEED from home. We just won mid point and he ran straight to us instead of surviving until me or the mesmer gets there.
Needless to say, it cost every 2 pips. Amazing.

One match we had a thief, which already lowers our chances of winning but the thief can make a nasty contest at far point.
Instead he rushes home to cap double with the mesmer. While the mesmer tells him to get the hell lost and the thief blames the team for losing the fight at mid while the two fight a bunker mesmer at home. Lost a pip for that move.

Had a match where 2 bunker mesmers rushed far with a rev, ele bunker got home and just left a viper rev alone to take mid, amazingly we actually won that. But it just blows my mind that these players thought that was a good idea.

Why am I getting these players? I’m going entire games without dying once, yet, these really, really, really bad hotjoin level players are throwing it at every possible point.

As show from the bunker meta, it’s best just to sit around and hopefully something happens.

Espurts guis, it’s so cooooool. Like grass growing, sit around and pray something fun to happen.

You’re crying on deaf ears. So far ArenaNet has done NOTHING to acknowledge bugs and the balance issues.

ArenaNet stop being so freaking blind! At what point is any of this okay?

Saw this coming a mile away.

Just give players in no teams an extra pip if they win.

Edit: Oh and balance the cancer meta please.

Sajuuk.5706:

Azukas.1426:

Missed abjured game what was toker’s build?

I honestly don’t remember the specifics. Final Form was using Dual Mesmer/Dual Rev and the Abjured won via a close match in the first game (said they were experimenting with a few things that didn’t work), and then in the second game, just abso-kitten-lutely dismantled Final form. Toker himself was pretty much unstoppable. The moment a mesmer blew their cooldowns, Toker and co. would down and cleave the kitten out of them. There is plenty of good to be found outside of the reigning meta, and I’m disappointed that The Abjured seem to to be the only crew figuring it out.

That’s because bunker mesmer is overrated, I’d like to see how well Toker handled a bunker druid or tempest.

The meta is cancer, but ArenaNet has gave their official word regarding the cancer.

My teammate asked me to duo queue, we won the next 7 games with much ease. We even carried a warrior.

Ironically he has been trying to get to sapphire all day today, I carried him there.

I’ve been having no issues climbing sapphire so far, I main bunker tempest and I play a mean viper revenant so I fill any role the team needs.

kolompi.1287:

Chrono bunkers are not as OP as you put it here. The way to beat them is the same we used to beat turret engineers, bunker guards, and every other overly tanky build.

But why do people have to get told this every time a new bunker build surfaces? Call it engineer, guardian, whatever, it’s the same darn role, you beat it with the same tactic.

This, while they are strong, Viper Revenants can just eat them alive with their constantly strong stability stacks thanks to Enchanced Bulwark with dodging, plus Shiro can just eat through any block they put up.

Are they the best bunkers? Hell no. A lot of players don’t realize once they down a player, change targets to another vulnerable out of place one, make the bunker mesmer waste his Well of Precognition on his downed ally and you’ll soon find that the mesmer simply cannot play the rez game. But they have one thing that makes it very overpowered and that is double casting gravity well. With Alacity this super powered CC recharged much faster than it should.

In my opinion Tempests provide the best bunker support in the game with obvious weaknesses as well. Ironically, Tempest has a lot to cover the weaknesses of bunker mesmers.

Having a Tempest, Bunker Mesmer and 3 Viper Revenants and you got yourself a team that has unmatched defenses and unmatched, unstoppable DPS.

LOL
Wait till you get to high tier play, you’ll soon discover how stupidly OP viper revenants are and it comes down to which team has the most viper revenants.

Kharr.5746:

It’s impossible for developers to predict how hundreds of thousands of players will use a system they’ve developed without putting into their hands. I’ve been playing MMOs since they were text based (i.e., before most players on here were even alive) and there are always bugs when a new feature is released since when you have 100k+ people trying to break and exploit the system, someone will find something that was overlooked.

Leagues are definitely ready, they’re just not perfect yet. I look forward to what they will be once all the launch issues are ironed out.

PvP does not have 100k+ people, if it did the league system killed it very quickly.

When leagues and PvP were not ready?

butch.8136:

Cowboy.5982:

Great match ! (I just have afk in 10 seconds of the end)

4-man against 4-man. Whats the problem? And you play on a thief + you seem to be afking.

At this point I think people just expect to win every single game they play.

I expect ArenaNet to balance the game and fix bugs.

I agree, then again all crafting is unreasonable. Why is there no crafting books that unlock tiers of crafting you can just buy with gold? No one levels by crafting anymore anyways.

Check your economy ArenaNet.

gavyne.6847:

Revs and bunkers are deciding the games right now, DH is secondary concern.

This.

trytonianYeti.4389:

OP is a major a**f*c* . He boasts about farming soloQ. Complain about how many pips are in a tier, demanding for a shortcut and now, disallow revenants from queuing.

That’s right, deny all of you revenants from playing so he could go on easy street. every thread he start is either a whine/complain (coz too noob, no skill) or to boast and gloat.

Aww, QQ more scrub.

Our best and unbeatable team comp is 3 viper revenants, 1 bunker ele and a bunker mesmer.

So let me explain how high level play works for this. All you need is 3 Revenants to focus a target and they die, quickly.
CC, boon removal, 20 stacks of Torment, stacks of confusion, chill, burning, poison.

We run into a team fight and some enemy dies in 5 seconds regardless of how tanky they are.

The problem with Viper Revenants is you cannot really stop them, you can damage them but an auramancer ele will keep them alive, mobile and strong. Good viper Revenants will go through your blocks, eat all your CC and continue to smash whatever they set their eyes on.

Reapers, scrappers, dragonhunters have some pretty strong DPS, but pale in comparison to viper revenants which has the added benefit of unstoppable DPS.

Hey PvP Team, where is that balance patch? This is the worst meta the game has ever had, even worse than Dhuumfire.

Wrong, it doesn’t prevent players from advancing, it just makes it grindy and painful.

bLind.6278:

ANet won’t do anything about any of the above problems until they figure out how to monetize the solutions.

Inb4 “400gems for solo queue experience!”

Actually, it’s more along the lines of it’ll fix itself.

Seriously, so many problems, so many they have yet to address.

• Players with high MMR are flat out PUNISHED.
• SoloQ players are flat out PUNISHED.
• People without HoT are flat out PUNISHED.
• Thief and Warrior mains are flat out PUNISHED.
• The 6 meta builds are ridiculously above the curve, anyone not using them are flat out PUNISHED.

So with all these problems, does ArenaNet just ignore, thinking it will fix itself? You made your bed guys, what you going to do?

Alekt.5803:

Reduce the heal to allies by 50% please.

Nerf Viper Revenants first.

Alekt.5803:

Stop talking about balance. This game will die before February patch.

lol, pretty much. ArenaNet is so dumb.

High end play you’ll find that Viper Revenants are the deciding factor.

In my opinion the amount of pips is really too high, does ArenaNet really think bad players can grind 10 wins in sapphire let alone 25 to get to ruby?

Anyone else feeling the grind? Like… hardcore. I just finished getting to the sapphire and it hit me hard.

This is so god kitten grindy.

Does ArenaNet truly think they need to test players ability to achieve 30 wins to prove they are Diamond?
Think about it, ideally lower tier players won’t get past 10 in their tier wins let alone 30. Sooooo why so much? This wouldn’t be that big of a deal if getting 2 pips were more common but I’ve only had that happen to me once, and I’m sapphire! That is 40 wins yet I’ve only seen gaining 2 pips once. What the hell ArenaNet…

If I was playing League of Legends, I’d be Diamond right now by how many freaking games I’ve played.

Should they reduce the amount of pips in a tier? Like from 5 to 3.

My advice is keep an eye on the Mallyx stance as 50% of the raw power that comes from a Viper Revenant is the invisible Banish Enchantment beam.

This is pretty difficult as good Revenants will bait out the condition removal and spam the hell out of it, leaving the player to either run or die as they sit under 9 stacks of confusion for 9 seconds.

If you can dodge the invisible banish enchantments you’ll have a chance to DPS them down.

runeblade.7514:

Alekt.5803:

Gav.1425:

Have you tried CC or condi cleanse?

Comeback and report results.

I’ve tried CC. They constantly have 2 stacks of stability when they dodge roll. And if I CC, I sometimes get taunted for 4 seconds.

I’ve tried immob or chill or blind… But they have resistance.

Have you tried CCing when their stacks of stabilities are gone? Have you tried Immob or chill when they are not in mallyx stance?

lol, all smart Revenants carry Enchanced Bulwark and have you even tried Shiros? You know, the instant stunbreak, dodge and removes chill, cripple and immobilize? You CANNOT trap a Revenant with conditions or CC.

Oh, there is no need for Glints stance, with the power from Mallyx and the mobility from Shiro you got everything you need to kill people. Revenants that use Glint are just holding themselves back.

Hey PvP team, can we get your thoughts on a hot-fix balance patch? Some builds are completely out of control and can use some much needed toning.

lol, good point. To be fair to Revenants, the Viper amulet is the biggest issue. We could just delete the Vipers Amulet as power Revenants doesn’t even come close to compare.

Fun Fact: To play Viper Revenant, you bait out of the condi removal and spam Banish Enchantment. It’s that easy. The confusion does insane damage

Chip Skylark.2367:

Would seriously like to hear from someone at Anet on when they are planning to balance Revs out.

Currently they are kittening kittened beyond belief.

I believe they nerfed Hambow warriors because of their survive-ability, CC and damage.
…
So, Viper Revenants get a free pass!

Viper Revenants are ridiculously overpowered, their DPS is unmatched with powerful sustain and CC. They are clearly just broken with no counterplay.

They do require skill but all you really need are 2-3 viper revenants per team to just stomp anyone.

Why didn’t we get a balance patch?

Evan Lesh.3295:

kmark.8519:

I think to solve this issue, there should be an optional checkbox for players.
For lower levels, using the checkbox you accept that you can rolled in with higher lvl players (optionally, with higher rewards), and for high level players, the checkbox would let them allowed together with lower level players (with probably decrease their loss and gain by 30% if they do).

With this, players will have a free decision if they want to get rolled together with high/low league players with some consequences.

I personally kind of like the idea of this. I used this feature in Heroes of Newerth depending on my mood. You could select shorter queue times with worse quality matches or longer queue times for better quality matches.

Spice it up, why not add a buff that prevents pip loss BUT only if you don’t play your most played rank class?

It is a legit strategy, last tier I am going to tank a lot of games with my team so that my next 5 games will be super easy to sapphire.

Because divisions =\= MMR

So wait, you were 100% dead yet still using skills?

speedbox.1473:

This is perfect let farmers and premade esl teams play with each other))))

Except we’re not.

Evan can you not see how much of a problem this is?

Leagues were not ready. PvP was not ready for leagues. Can we have PvP leagues when it’s ready?

Oh? Rap Tiger you are so naive.

• you can lose pips when you win if a teammate gets dishonored.
• the match making is awful. We beat the same guild team, 3 times in a row.
• the balance is horrible, top teams bring 2-3 Viper Revenants. We thinking of having our dragonhunter train in Revenant to have more revenants just because Viper Revenant is top tier DPS.
• you can be placed against full organized pre-mades if you are solo

Milan.9035:

Nova Stiker.8396:

geekilo.8512:

As veteran player who spends most of my time in pvp, PVPing lately becomes very unfun and frustrated. Does anyone else feel the same way?

Nope! I have a 5 man team so I don’t have to suffer intensely like a majority of the PvP community. Leagues work really hard to appease the 0.001% of the PvPers.

i agree 100% and as one of those solo only people its become pointless for me to play.
a night of pvp ends with 50% the magic number of nothing.

so yea i guess the only people who will be playing is those 0.001% vs each other with 30 min q

When Leagues started Tuesday we had 2 minute queues.
Yesterday we had 10 minute queues.
Lets see what happens tonight.

geekilo.8512:

As veteran player who spends most of my time in pvp, PVPing lately becomes very unfun and frustrated. Does anyone else feel the same way?

Nope! I have a 5 man team so I don’t have to suffer intensely like a majority of the PvP community. Leagues work really hard to appease the 0.001% of the PvPers.

Hey guys, PvP is not at its worst state. Dhuumfire was the worst state.

Oh yeah, leagues are really bad. Like, if you don’t have a 5 man team don’t bother queing.

There is a Guild cast tomorrow regarding league, lets see how they handle the overwhelming negative feedback.

Remove leagues, they clearly are not ready.

Jordan.5930:

Revenant is a high skill low reward class. At no point have I played the class and felt like it was OP.

You’re probably just bad or just using the wrong build.

I probably have 5 hours on my Revenant and can easily wreck face. Hell, all the top teams on the leaderboards are using 2-3 Revenants because they have stupid high DPS. Use Unrelenting Assault to bait 2 dodges, spam condi and when they use their condition removal then spam banish enchantment for GG.

Viper Heralds are incredibly overpowered.

I was afraid people won’t take.
sigh
Back to farming PvP this evening… fun fun.

I’m willing to give up the “legendary” grind in order to convince ArenaNet Leagues and PvP is not ready. There are bugs, visual bugs, gross class imbalances, MMR loses exploiting and exploiting league teams to climb to the top.

I can convince my team as well to stop PvPing until ArenaNet fixes all of it. Avaks Fanclub and the PvP team Plasma, Kitten, Spuke, Dani and Eclipsi can and will boycott the league system until ArenaNet fixes the numerous issues and creates a healthy PvP meta and a healthy league system.

However, I’m not going to 5 man boycott, we need many players to unitely pledge against Leagues.

Leagues were not ready.

Can we have Leagues on hold until PvP is ready?

Toss leagues, they are not ready.

We got severe unbalance (Revenants have the highest DPS yet are allowed to be tanky), bugs (stuck bug), visual bugs (enough said) and an exploited team system allowing top teams to take up as many top slots as they want.

Bring back Leagues when PvP is ready.

They really just need to kill Leagues at this point. Bugs, visual bugs, severe unbalance and exploiting mechanics.

Leagues are simply, not ready.

SchmendrickTheMagician.8247:

The skill has also 600 range, almost no visible animation so that you could dodge it, and it actually affects anyone in range, not just the target.

It does have a visual animation.

Sometimes.

This skill alone is easily the reason why Revenants are top tier condi-spikers. Confusion is the most damaging condition in the game and Revenants can easily spam 6-9 stacks and remove boons on stance swap. Combined with a piercing it’s simply way to overtoned.

An easy solution is to reduce the number of confusion stacks from 3 to 2 and reduce it’s duration from 6 seconds to 5. You want banish enchantment to hurt, not kill anyone you spam it on.

OH WAIT NO BALANCE UPDATES HAR HAR HAR ESPURTS