Guild Wars 2

Avenge.1478:

Nuked.2360:

Sorta sad the amount of times HL had people in our NW tower with gates/walls intact and they chose to clear siege rather than jump out.

Its an obvious accident.

By the way thanks for your donation of garrison, and good luck trying to take back so much as a camp on your own BL.

Obvious accident wouldn’t be killing our siege when your commander is doing it. I am glad you are good at camping our BL we have a lot of new players who are still learning the ins and outs of WvW. But your 50 man HL blob that got wiped how many times before you finally got our garrison? That’s right you must be forgetting those times.

Hammerguard.9834:

Mad respect to the JQ commanders dealing with the 24/7 double teaming on JQBL.

It was tons of fun just got tiring when we literally couldn’t even scrap together any supply. At one point we had 50 people on pin for a total of 12 supply. Map blobs on both sides constantly hitting our stuff and using siege to push even when outnumbering us. Our pug zerg did a lot though props to all out there on JQ side.

Sorta sad the amount of times HL had people in our NW tower with gates/walls intact and they chose to clear siege rather than jump out.

MagiKarp.8201:

Le Rooster.8715:

Kire.2364:

Oh my an appearance by Stealth and Le Rooster already on page one, should be an interesting PvF week.

Relax i come in peace, i’m not even going to troll this thread =P

Why not?

Troll away, we’re gunna need some entertainment when JQ’s PvDoor O’clock hits.

Good fights on JQ BL GoF and FEAR and co kept us honest the whole night. Had a few shell shocked new WvW players but they picked it up fast and we had an amazing turnout from all tonight

Neuromancer.2148:

Nuked.2360:

MagiKarp.8201:

Congrats to JQ on their win by default of Season 1 Leagues, well done Anet!

Enjoy the 3 weeks of pvdoor after this match JQ!

Or it’s simply the fact us being ranked one going into seasons was beneficial same as any sport. The number one ranked team always gets a slightly easier on paper schedule than anyone else.

Instant win matches = “slightly easier”

Someone was going to be upset regardless of the schedule.

MagiKarp.8201:

Congrats to JQ on their win by default of Season 1 Leagues, well done Anet!

Enjoy the 3 weeks of pvdoor after this match JQ!

Or it’s simply the fact us being ranked one going into seasons was beneficial same as any sport. The number one ranked team always gets a slightly easier on paper schedule than anyone else.

Cuddlepie.8109:

Robot Chocken.7012:

Cuddlepie.8109:

You have an interesting way to make an argument.

You take 11 weeks out of a year of dominance and present it as “proof” that you’re somehow a victim, an underdog?

You say “You can’t seriously say that JQ was stacked during those time periods”, when I never said anything at all about that period. Although a masterstroke, what concerns me is JQ’s recent recruiting, such as paying MERC to bandwagon over. It was a strategic masterstroke but the claims of improving competition and balance are cynical PR spin – or complete and utter clueless-ness.

You said “All you see now from JQ is the fact we can actually give our SEA something upgraded on more than just EB every night”. What we’re seeing this week is JQ 74k ahead so far and:
> 500 PPT on 8 ticks.
> 400 PPT on 86 ticks.
< 200 PPT on 15 ticks.

In essence, you seem upset that any other server has ever won, or that you should have to fight for anything.

I’ll repeat my previous question, how easy do you want your wins to be?

Titan ally were kings for like 3 weeks at a time when almost no one had even full exotic armor. Also are you going to quit ranting about this soon? Your tears are getting old at this point

TA retired unbeaten after winning 30 games in a row against fully q’ed servers. Back when burn out, tanking and and training weeks hadn’t entered the GW vocab. TA also didn’t recruit from AA – let alone pay their guilds to transfer – in order to win.

And you realise that your "point"about exotics – let alone ascended – simply reinforces that WvW back then was a much more level playing field? Fully Qed maps on the servers and minimal gear disparity.

Finally, as part of reacquainting you with logic, my posts usually do little more than point out facts from scores and quote JQ posters’ words back at your trolls. Feel free to call facts “ranting” or “tears”, that doesn’t lessen their validity or improve the strength of arguments based on nothing more than self-serving assertions.

BTW, on karma train night JQ still has enough numbers to tick 400+?

How easy DO you want your wins?

Transfer’s were free at this time. No server would have to “buy” a rival guild it could just happen.

Ferris Bewler.9706:

I am going to just say grats to JQ on their win this week and make 1 statement about what you thought you saw this week from BG….. nahhhhh just good for yall to keep guessing. Hats off this week to JQ and TC. Some JQ posters need to learn to win with some class though.

We will see you in seasons so be prepared…

Same could be said about some BG posters needing to lose with class rather than complaining as well.

Polismassa.6740:

Nuked.2360:

You do realize that Polimassa represents one opinion based on the fact this week BG has literally not shown up. I mean if it wasn’t obvious by the fact we had a 12hour straight karma train on BG BL with all sides benefiting then I just don’t know what else there is to prove.

Throughout this week and last week (at least for me) there has been a fairly tangible sense that we as a server have more coverage than the other two servers. Now that doesn’t mean we have a TON more, as some are saying, the scores were very balanced last week, but note that we did come out on top.

I will agree that Blackgate has been seeing some under-representation this week, but it’s not as if the entire server has gone fair weather, and it’s certainly not as if they haven’t shown up. I think that there is some truth to both sides of the argument, but in a 1v1 between JQ and BG, I do believe that JQ would take the win given the current state of both of our servers.

JQ isn’t that much stronger than BG they had alternative reasons for not showing up. Simple as that.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Not sure how I ended up leading the dolyak parade after Handin DCed for a second time, but hey we did good right? Nearly got to BG spawn.

Also ridiculously fun fights with NS / SF tonight on JQBL (there was another guild that I’m forgetting I think)

Haha yea we just followed the red kite around and it turned out well.

Cuddlepie.8109:

zhonnika.1784:

What I want to know is how anyone could seriously look at this week and say it’s the direct result of JQ being ‘overstacked’ and not the direct result of BG just not showing up. Certainly nobody playing inside T1 believes that crap :P

And last week?

And I’m not sure that “nobody playing inside T1 believes that crap” is accurate.

Polismassa.6740:

Waage.2047:

My condolences to JQ regulars. It sucks when it swings this heavy to one side.

Thanks, I appreciate the sentiment, even if nobody else seems to…

Also, @ my fellow JQ’ers, stop giving BG crap about not trying, and going fareweather. Our server simply has more WvW players, and more coverage these days. I know that it’s a lot of new people saying that, but seriously, cut it out.

Recruiting masterfully is one thing, but believing – despite available evidence – that there isn’t an imbalance is doublethink.

You do realize that Polimassa represents one opinion based on the fact this week BG has literally not shown up. I mean if it wasn’t obvious by the fact we had a 12hour straight karma train on BG BL with all sides benefiting then I just don’t know what else there is to prove.

Vapour.7348:

TY dragon, you seem to know BGs wvw well.

When I guest over there, the server seems to sport pride and a sassy attitude. Believegate I think is what they call the server. There was another one but I forgot. Are the wvw guilds in BG as tight knit as SoR’s?

What impressed me when observing BG is how one small guild army took on and wiped a zerg literally twice the size repeatedly. It was beautiful how they were organized and ran through like a solid ball, regrouping and dropping bombs at the right place and time. That BG guild seemed very blood thirsty and would go on and fight instead of running away. I wonder if the whole server is that way.

I wish I had the opportunity to observe SoR. As someone stated earlier in this thread, they seem like a class act.

I’m familiar w some battle tactics but still a novice. There’s nothing I’d love more than to be a part of battle centric guild in a like-minded server.

It seems your looking for more of a guild than a server because each server has guilds that are similar to what you look for and all server’s have similar mindsets. As some have suggested maybe look into guilds on each server rather than the server itself.

Cuddlepie.8109:

Nuked.2360:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Nuked.2360:

Cuddlepie.8109:

If you’re interested in history, you might want to consider it a little more widely:
JQ: 19 Gold, 17 Silver, 19 Bronze. Total medals = 55
BG: 14 Gold, 11 Silver, 14 Bronze. Total 39
SoR: 8 Gold, 20 silver, 9 Bronze. total = 37.

And for this week’s match where it’s JQ vs BG vs lower tiered server, it’s just midweek and JQ is 48K ahead.

JQ can’t claim historical victimhood with any credibility.

You proved our point you guys have almost as much gold medals we just have a metric ton of silver/bronze medals almost the same amount as golds.

Without this weeks’ match JQ has 36% more gold medals than BG. Only in Nuked-world is this almost the same amount.

With this week’s match it goes up to 43%.

Thinking says you’re wrong.

How easy do you guys want your wins to be?

Mediocrity for months from JQ in terms of tier 1 where we had 1 gold in the many months since may and BG had 10+ in that same timezone. You can’t seriously say that JQ was stacked during those time periods. When JQ had no OCX no EU coverage whatsoever. We would hit 90 ppt during those periods. All you see now from JQ is the fact we can actually give our SEA something upgraded on more than just EB every night.

You have an interesting way to make an argument.

You take 11 weeks out of a year of dominance and present it as “proof” that you’re somehow a victim, an underdog?

You say “You can’t seriously say that JQ was stacked during those time periods”, when I never said anything at all about that period. Although a masterstroke, what concerns me is JQ’s recent recruiting, such as paying MERC to bandwagon over. It was a strategic masterstroke but the claims of improving competition and balance are cynical PR spin – or complete and utter clueless-ness.

You said “All you see now from JQ is the fact we can actually give our SEA something upgraded on more than just EB every night”. What we’re seeing this week is JQ 74k ahead so far and:
> 500 PPT on 8 ticks.
> 400 PPT on 86 ticks.
< 200 PPT on 15 ticks.

In essence, you seem upset that any other server has ever won, or that you should have to fight for anything.

I’ll repeat my previous question, how easy do you want your wins to be?

It’s not our fault that your numbers didn’t show up this week and they did last week. I have yet to see your oceanic show up at all. And you guys have a high oceanic population this was evidenced by the fact that even when MERC wasn’t on map BG still had 20-25 people on majority of their maps. Even without merc on the same map JQ was sporting outmanned in EVERY map during OCX this was even with TKG.

Fuzzion.2504:

Esqi.8496:

Yay I can post again

I got a warning yesterday about a pic i posted ____ not working on WvW but instead holidaying at Bora-Bora would have gotten me a 2 week suspension.

ANd then they said I have 37 infraction points. I assume they are saying

“Fuzz, you are being watched”

Now everything i post will be encrypted.

And hi Flake. Really awesome to have yall back man. Also love when running with yall and indevar will go "Okay, so how many eles, we got? 4. Okay number 1 do this and number 2 etc then 3 when it goes to me, okay fuzz will just be fuzz. " Awesome!

Warning’s op. Apparently flake doesn’t know what those lines are though!

Handin.4032:

Nuked.2360:

Handin.4032:

PSA: The Dolyak Parade will be in TCBL in 1 HOUR!

Where does it start?

Added to the post

After you d/c’d we tried to do the yak parade but we got mobbed by TC

Esqi.8496:

Yay I can post again

Yes the flakey is back!

Handin.4032:

PSA: The Dolyak Parade will be in TCBL in 1 HOUR!

Where does it start?

Liquid.9672:

Nuked.2360:

pot.6805:

The propaganda being pushed by people to further overstack their server is fun to read, thanks guys!

9pm Server is PST prime. You can’t claim you guy’s aren’t stronger than other server’s during this timezone.

That’s when I usually get online Stei, so yeah, of course we’re stronger.

+1 for that comment!

Cuddlepie.8109:

Nuked.2360:

Cuddlepie.8109:

If you’re interested in history, you might want to consider it a little more widely:
JQ: 19 Gold, 17 Silver, 19 Bronze. Total medals = 55
BG: 14 Gold, 11 Silver, 14 Bronze. Total 39
SoR: 8 Gold, 20 silver, 9 Bronze. total = 37.

And for this week’s match where it’s JQ vs BG vs lower tiered server, it’s just midweek and JQ is 48K ahead.

JQ can’t claim historical victimhood with any credibility.

You proved our point you guys have almost as much gold medals we just have a metric ton of silver/bronze medals almost the same amount as golds.

Without this weeks’ match JQ has 36% more gold medals than BG. Only in Nuked-world is this almost the same amount.

With this week’s match it goes up to 43%.

Thinking says you’re wrong.

How easy do you guys want your wins to be?

Mediocrity for months from JQ in terms of tier 1 where we had 1 gold in the many months since may and BG had 10+ in that same timezone. You can’t seriously say that JQ was stacked during those time periods. When JQ had no OCX no EU coverage whatsoever. We would hit 90 ppt during those periods. All you see now from JQ is the fact we can actually give our SEA something upgraded on more than just EB every night.

pot.6805:

The propaganda being pushed by people to further overstack their server is fun to read, thanks guys!

9pm Server is PST prime. You can’t claim you guy’s aren’t stronger than other server’s during this timezone.

Vapour.7348:

zhonnika.1784:

Trust the opinions of a server mainly from those residing on it. You won’t get a clear picture otherwise. All are good bets, all have a chance at winning. It sounds sort of like you’re asking us to tell you which one will be a lock for winning gold, but at this point I don’t think there’s any way we could make that determination.

Hi! I actually prefer the server that isn’t the current dominating force. The battles would seem much more challenging and memorable.

Thank you all very much for sharing your insights. I appreciate the feedback from JQ and SoR residents. I know BG is an exceptional server as well but I guess they’re not as active in this section of the forum.

I play weird hours between 9pm upto 2am server time.

BG has the strongest force in those time periods as thats late PST – early OCX. IMO that is.

Good fights on BG BL just wish we had more numbers in hills to defend it only so much we can do when map blob vs 15 people.

Equinox.4195:

Nuked.2360:

Equinox.4195:

Lots of talk about that Descent into Madness bug(which was quick-patched, mind you), but is nobody else experiencing the same kind of lag we were?
Terrible lag when there wasn’t even a massive number of people. Fighting 60-man groups doesn’t usually cause skill lag for us, but we were still getting some horrendous lag tonight trying to find fights. Hopefully it’s patched before tomorrow.

When two server’s collide lag happens. Story of life in WvW these days.

Let me make it a little easier to read:
Terrible lag when there wasn’t even a massive number of people. Fighting 60-man groups doesn’t usually cause skill lag for us, but we were still getting some horrendous lag tonight trying to find fights.

Mind you, my guild isn’t an entire server. We had about 28 on an initial supplycount, so roughly 30 people throughout the night.
I’m suggesting the patch caused some kind of horrendous lag to occur when groups (not servers) collide. 90 people fighting in open field shouldn’t cause 3-way-SMC-Fight skill lag.

I was curious if anyone else felt this that would like to speak up.

If that was only 30 people throughout the night then I must be going crazy cause it was definitely more than that. I was only laggy when we collided with your map blob. You can claim all you want but I’m pretty sure video of it will prove otherwise.

48 Hours left til leagues join us before then and be a part of the magic!

Vapour.7348:

From what I’ve read, JQs been ticking 500 against BG and TC, not some tier 2-3 server. I’d love to migrate to either BG or SoR but I’m not sure just how large JQs wvw player base is and if it makes them almost impossible to beat.

We are ticking at 500 ppt because BG stopped playing this week. Not because we outnumber them significantly but simply because they didn’t play this week. Don’t confuse this as saying come to JQ it’s merely me saying that the notion JQ is stacked is a false pretense.

Vapour.7348:

Planning on migrating to a T1 server because I enjoy wvw, especially the battles. I like fighting and in most occasions enjoy fighting when the odds are against us (fighting a bigger zerg). I feel it makes me a better player and it truly is very rewarding. I’m the type that supports the underdog instead of following the bandwagon. The challenges are far greater that way.

I’m looking for a synopsis comparing the wvw experience between the tier 1s.

I know a lot of people have moved to JQ. I just dont want to seem lame and a leecher because I know a lot of newer wvw players moved there banking that it would finish at the top. What does BG and SoR have to offer? Are people in mapchat generally pleasant or rude/hostile? Does BG and SoR even stand a chance competing against JQs numbers?

I will probably get trolled for this but JQ/SoR/BG all have pretty even numbers across almost all timezones. While JQ has strongest SEA we have the weakest EU. Each server has a period where they outnumber their opponent. They are equally long in length and anyone who says otherwise is just trying to discredit one server or the other. While JQ has won the past head to head between all three it was extremely close and it could have went to any server on thursday night which shows that SoR and BG have a chance of competing and beating JQ. There is no true King of tier 1 anymore.

Jedbacca.6297:

Polismassa.6740:

Waage.2047:

My condolences to JQ regulars. It sucks when it swings this heavy to one side.

Thanks, I appreciate the sentiment, even if nobody else seems to…

Also, @ my fellow JQ’ers, stop giving BG crap about not trying, and going fareweather. Our server simply has more WvW players, and more coverage these days. I know that it’s a lot of new people saying that, but seriously, cut it out.

Shenanigans, they’ve got the coverage that equals ours.

Yea I think it’s fairly obvious that BG didn’t put much effort in this week. The score swing from last week to this week proves that fact. They laid down after the weekend and just coasted.

Caroline.4987:

Oh…well, if your roamers didn’t tell you…considering how many of them saw me at work…

That’s my little secret then. =P

If you spent 5k supply building those omegas in camps then you have a lot of time on your hands. We knew you built 5 in camps but seriously 28 more in camps? That’s just ridiculousness.

Caroline.4987:

It was only 28 of them. =S

Well, 33, but like, five of them were busted up from hitting hills and were down to like…10-20k health each.

I wanted to tell them to wait until I got to 40, but they wouldn’t listen! ;-;

I think 33 sufficed lol I just want to know where you got the supply for them cause thats a metric ton of supply.

That omega rush on TC BL the omegas just kept coming like non stop.

celeron.3469:

Funny, somebody mentioned fighting GoF last night. And ZN was mentioned at the same time as oPP and RIOT. KnT plays every day as well as icoa. Instead of making vague claims, why not say which guilds you haven’t seen?

I’m a roamer who almost always ends up on the same map as PLX and EE. I have no idea who you are talking about.

I only mentioned the guild’s I’ve seen on JQ BL. Sorry I should have been more clear. Usually there has been more showing up on JQ BL in force to push it but not this week. Just my 2 cents.

Robot Chocken.7012:

celeron.3469:

Complaining that people aren’t putting in overtime to match another server that doesnt have to. Nice

Who said anything about overtime? Most of the BG force quit playing a couple days ago.

Yea I’ve only seen a select few guilds from BG out namely Ons,PLX,EE.

Norr.7680:

Whose bored in JQ yet

I’m not bored we had some crazy fun fights in NA prime tonight.

Equinox.4195:

Lots of talk about that Descent into Madness bug(which was quick-patched, mind you), but is nobody else experiencing the same kind of lag we were?
Terrible lag when there wasn’t even a massive number of people. Fighting 60-man groups doesn’t usually cause skill lag for us, but we were still getting some horrendous lag tonight trying to find fights. Hopefully it’s patched before tomorrow.

When two server’s collide lag happens. Story of life in WvW these days.

SonOfKrypton.4357:

Nuked.2360:

Liquid.9672:

Synyster.5894:

What the hell is going on?

Chaos Storm is bugged.

The amount of people running around abusing it right now is ridiculous. So many people using Mesmers to abuse chaos storm tons of uplevels running around with it. When I’m getting hit for 40k by one chaos storm with full PTV gear somethings broken.

(Not solely aimed at you, Nuked. Your post was just the best to quote)

Anyone with a problem with the mesmer bug is such a carebear. It was a bit of fun for a couple of hours. It was highly amusing to see a guild stack up on a keep then be aerially assaulted by hordes of purple.

If you can’t see the funny side, and are annoyed that your super tank zerg build got instakilled, don’t come into WvW if you’re afraid of dying. After all, it is a PvP zone.

My issue wasn’t with the bug it was with people abusing it. When golem in the box was out not many abused it. I am fine with dying in WvW it is a PvP zone but when I’m dying to something that there is literally no defense to then it’s when it becomes an issue. You act like it was fun when it really wasn’t fun for anyone who was hit by it.

I really hope this is resolved and people who abused it a lot are banned or at least suspended because there are tons of people who are literally running around with upleveled mesmers using it. I told everyone in my guild and I know many others told them not to use the trait or even mesmers because we aren’t going to abuse it.

Liquid.9672:

Nuked.2360:

You proved our point you guys have almost as much gold medals we just have a metric ton of silver/bronze medals almost the same amount as golds.

Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

He’s trying to prove that we were always dominant. Staying in Tier 1 doesn’t mean you are always dominant which is evidenced by all the bronzes/silvers.

Cuddlepie.8109:

sil.4160:

matches where its was JQ vs BG vs lower tier server
week23, BG win by 111k
week36, BG win by 66k
week38, BG win by 33k (this was 4 weeks ago)

matches where its was SOR vs BG vs lower tier server
week29, BG win by 88k
week30, , BG win by 46k
week31, BG win by 22k
week39, SOR win by 65k (this was 3 weeks ago)

If you’re interested in history, you might want to consider it a little more widely:
JQ: 19 Gold, 17 Silver, 19 Bronze. Total medals = 55
BG: 14 Gold, 11 Silver, 14 Bronze. Total 39
SoR: 8 Gold, 20 silver, 9 Bronze. total = 37.

And for this week’s match where it’s JQ vs BG vs lower tiered server, it’s just midweek and JQ is 48K ahead.

JQ can’t claim historical victimhood with any credibility.

You proved our point you guys have almost as much gold medals we just have a metric ton of silver/bronze medals almost the same amount as golds.

Firefly.4165:

Nuked.2360:

OCX JQ/BG are almost identical numbers. Difference being JQ has the follow up on SEA. Without SoR this week is disproportional because all our servers are built for the 3 servers to compete. JQ deadzones align with SoR strong periods and BG strong zones align with the deadzones of JQ/SoR. It’s what makes it so competitive.

I’ve never understood how Strongzone vs deadzone makes it competitive, alternating or not. Perhaps it’s personal taste. Not knowing the outcome, makes it competitive. As is, it’s a no brainer.

Competitive in the sense that the scores will be similar. Every server has timezone fluctuations. Example SoS was an unofficial aussie server thus they have a higher base aussie population than say JQ. Each server has a time period they are strong in.

Nickthemoonwolf.1485:

Nuked.2360:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Nuked.2360:

Look at the ppt spread when against SoR/BG/JQ. There are immense spikes on all sides. But it was overall even look at the final outcome of the last match where it was roughly 10k difference til late thursday night at which point everyone devolved to karma training.

Let’s look at the evidence we have.

For the 5-12 Oct JQ/SoR/BQ match (http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/29/111), you’re right in that there are spikes for all three servers. But where your analysis falls short is that the dominant spikes (in terms of relative duration and magnitude, ie. their area) are (with one exception) JQ’s. To call the other server’s spikes “immense” doesn’t reflect the graph. They’re of limited duration, relatively small in magnitude and of varying ownership – reflecting, I’d argue, healthy competition in those tzs.

The pertinent point is that JQ’s spikes are forming an emergent pattern through this week’s match (http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/29/), albeit magnified by TC’s lack of coverage in those times.

In terms of the overall result (noting the slope and delta of JQ’s Score Evolution line for the 5-12 Oct match doesn’t change much with its closest competitor):

JQ > SoR by ~14.5K, and JQ > BG by ~ 24.3K

For the sake of argument, if a +200 PPT differential reflects relative dominance then at +800 points per hours that translates to: JQ had 18 hours of dominant play over SoR, and 30 hours of dominant play over BG.

JQ winning isn’t bad, but I’d argue that JQ recruiting off other Tier 1 servers is. I’d also argue that the guild leadership who’ve claimed that they transferred to JQ from BG to “improve competition” have materially contributed to what their own members have called “boring” WvW. I’d respect them some if they just came out and said: Yeah, <insert guild name’s leadership > did it for a) the gold, b) to be on the winning side, c) because I have a fascination with Waha, or d) all of the above.

Nuked.2360:

Join us today for some amazing fun and crazy moments!

You’re active in both world and guild recruitment for JQ, so I understand you don’t want to think that JQ is stacked or that you may be contributing to an imbalance. and, of course, SoR and/or BG may have recruited very well and are keeping their new recruits off until Leagues. But the evidence available suggests that JQ is stacked in SEA/OCX in a way that distorts balance and competition.

OCX was even ppt last night. We were outnumbered in almost every team fight.

One night, up to a week, does not speak for a servers TZ population. That is not the usual case by any means, and it shows.

OCX JQ/BG are almost identical numbers. Difference being JQ has the follow up on SEA. Without SoR this week is disproportional because all our servers are built for the 3 servers to compete. JQ deadzones align with SoR strong periods and BG strong zones align with the deadzones of JQ/SoR. It’s what makes it so competitive.

Cuddlepie.8109:

Nuked.2360:

Look at the ppt spread when against SoR/BG/JQ. There are immense spikes on all sides. But it was overall even look at the final outcome of the last match where it was roughly 10k difference til late thursday night at which point everyone devolved to karma training.

Let’s look at the evidence we have.

For the 5-12 Oct JQ/SoR/BQ match (http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/29/111), you’re right in that there are spikes for all three servers. But where your analysis falls short is that the dominant spikes (in terms of relative duration and magnitude, ie. their area) are (with one exception) JQ’s. To call the other server’s spikes “immense” doesn’t reflect the graph. They’re of limited duration, relatively small in magnitude and of varying ownership – reflecting, I’d argue, healthy competition in those tzs.

The pertinent point is that JQ’s spikes are forming an emergent pattern through this week’s match (http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/29/), albeit magnified by TC’s lack of coverage in those times.

In terms of the overall result (noting the slope and delta of JQ’s Score Evolution line for the 5-12 Oct match doesn’t change much with its closest competitor):

JQ > SoR by ~14.5K, and JQ > BG by ~ 24.3K

For the sake of argument, if a +200 PPT differential reflects relative dominance then at +800 points per hours that translates to: JQ had 18 hours of dominant play over SoR, and 30 hours of dominant play over BG.

JQ winning isn’t bad, but I’d argue that JQ recruiting off other Tier 1 servers is. I’d also argue that the guild leadership who’ve claimed that they transferred to JQ from BG to “improve competition” have materially contributed to what their own members have called “boring” WvW. I’d respect them some if they just came out and said: Yeah, <insert guild name’s leadership > did it for a) the gold, b) to be on the winning side, c) because I have a fascination with Waha, or d) all of the above.

Nuked.2360:

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You’re active in both world and guild recruitment for JQ, so I understand you don’t want to think that JQ is stacked or that you may be contributing to an imbalance. and, of course, SoR and/or BG may have recruited very well and are keeping their new recruits off until Leagues. But the evidence available suggests that JQ is stacked in SEA/OCX in a way that distorts balance and competition.

OCX was even ppt last night. We were outnumbered in almost every team fight.

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Waage.2047:

I love how Ignorant most people are about how screwed up every thing is in tier 1.

If any of the tier 1 servers fall tier 1 will turn into a massive 2 server fight with only one winner who will run out of targets as tier 1 ones again turn into the same kind of waste zone it was the last time JQ got stacked.

Am i really the only one that remember the how it was some 10 months ago. Only this time there is no tier 2 to take the place.

You mean like when SoS first rose to Tier 1 and stomped everyone? Or like when BG took first all those times in a row and was able to dominate Late NA/OCX and EU? Every server has had a period of dominance. Win the fights you can as you posted so many times you only play for the fights so quit complaining about the “coverage”.

SFShinigami.2015:

Actually the karma training didn’t really happen thursday night. As we entered SEA, SoR made a HUGE push and made up a lot of ground quickly before things settled back down again around EU time and people started kitten ing around with things like commander roulette.

My bad it sort of felt karma train esque when I was logging but I didn’t stay on that late.

Cuddlepie.8109:

Um we have had fights in every timezone aside from SEA (I don’t play then so I can’t say what it’s like). We had good fights in early/mid OCX last night vs KH and PLX. Lots of fun fights all around.

I’t’s good that you’re experiencing “fun fights”, but this isn’t the same thing as server-wide balance, inter-server competitiveness, or relevant to a judgement about “stacking”.

Have a look at the following link and scroll down to the Income Evolution section. There are sections where PPT income is close, but the very significant periods of time where there is a massive gap between JQ and everyone else’s are where JQ has recruited from its rivals and where stacking has occurred.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/29/

To comment about TA I was around then JQ only won when they fell because we had the most consistent force at the time of their fall. We quickly succumbed to SBI who were superior coverage wise and also had some people transferring off JQ due to our 4hour queues some nights. (This is around launch over a year ago I don’t think anyone has 4 hour queue’s on weekdays anymore).

Perhaps relevant is that – apart from some boredom and burnout – TA leadership did consider the health of GW2’s WvW, believing that if TA’s dominance continued it would kill WvW.

Look at the ppt spread when against SoR/BG/JQ. There are immense spikes on all sides. But it was overall even look at the final outcome of the last match where it was roughly 10k difference til late thursday night at which point everyone devolved to karma training.

Cuddlepie.8109:

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Waage.2047:

SFShinigami.2015:

Waage.2047:

Nuked.2360:

Seigfried.5938:

OliT.7945:

In all seriousness BG, please please recruit more oceanics. This is 500 tick is boring a hell.

Could you lend us a few thousands of gold you are sitting on so we can buy your guilds?

If we are buying so many guilds why is it we still have almost non existant EU Guild Coverage? BG has what 3-4 guilds who are EU exclusively and a few that run during this time zone? JQ has 1 small EU guild and a bunch of pugs. Huge difference yet you guys don’t show up during this timezone at all.

Yeah it is not like there is a massive dead zone where after we have to fix all the damage done so that JQ can get there kitten kicked during NA.

IF it wasen’t for paper keeps on ourside and tier 3 on yours we could do something, but that is now how it is. If we had any SEA we would tear a hole in you, but right now we have a lot of work to do.

We log in and every thing is broken and we need to rebuild it. We show up, but so those yours and while you only have SG that is of any threat it dose not change the fact that it is hard to take tier 3 keeps full of randoms with 15 RK.

Welcome to the last 5 months of being JQ, SEA and NA. Between 10pm server time and 4am server time we’d lose everything. Between 10 am server time and 2-4 pm server time we’d lose everything. We’re powered through it as best we could. Accepted what we couldn’t control and had fun fighting when we were on.

And you are even bigger then we ever was. We could not even get close to this high a tick and we are going into LOW activity part of BG.

IF you can barley get a fight out of us how do you think the S1 will go when you fight even less then us.

This reminds me of the last time we had open server transfers and JQ took number 1 spot with no fight for months on end. Only you are even bigger then that now.

You will win season 1, but what then?? IF i where you i would worry.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/101
I would look around Wednesday during OCX when BG has 500 ppt. But your are always right you never had dominate timezones like “Stacked Quarry”.
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/87
I could keep going during the time period BG was the king of the hill. Every server has a timezone they are strong in. Recruitment is the only way to solve this but we didn’t overstack a timezone.

There is, and always has been, an evolution of strength.

Post the TA-era, however, JQ remains both the gold medal leader and overall leader.
http://mos.millenium.org/na/matchups/medals
Some JQ posters have a short, and selective, memory.

Additionally, when other servers were winning, JQ actively sought to recruit from those servers. The BG guild leadership – particularly MERC – that was reportedly paid tens and tens of thousand of gold to move – has publicly said they did so to improve competition and balance.

This sort of recruitment had the double effect of improving JQ’s coverage markedly, while reducing BG’s in the same tz. It did more than that, in that it’s tarnished the reputation of what been a respected guild and its leadership.

Improved competition and balance between servers hasn’t happened.

It hasn’t happened to the extent that JQ’s own players are complaining that the Burj Khalifa-esque stack they’ve achieved is producing “boring” WvW while simultaneously closing their eyes and chanting to themselves that “we didn’t overstack a timezone”.

Um we have had fights in every timezone aside from SEA (I don’t play then so I can’t say what it’s like). We had good fights in early/mid OCX last night vs KH and PLX. Lots of fun fights all around. If guilds are getting paid tens and thousands of gold that’s a shocker to me we don’t have a community fundraiser on the level blackgate does.
To comment about TA I was around then JQ only won when they fell because we had the most consistent force at the time of their fall. We quickly succumbed to SBI who were superior coverage wise and also had some people transferring off JQ due to our 4hour queues some nights. (This is around launch over a year ago I don’t think anyone has 4 hour queue’s on weekdays anymore).

Rhaegus.8924:

Waage.2047:

You will win season 1, but what then?? IF i where you i would worry.

IF i were you i’d join JQ ;-) Rumour is we pay 500g + a precursor of own choosing per member that transfers.

Why didn’t I get a precursor when I was managing the war efforts? Durkon you ripped me off!

Waage.2047:

SFShinigami.2015:

Waage.2047:

Nuked.2360:

Seigfried.5938:

OliT.7945:

In all seriousness BG, please please recruit more oceanics. This is 500 tick is boring a hell.

Could you lend us a few thousands of gold you are sitting on so we can buy your guilds?

If we are buying so many guilds why is it we still have almost non existant EU Guild Coverage? BG has what 3-4 guilds who are EU exclusively and a few that run during this time zone? JQ has 1 small EU guild and a bunch of pugs. Huge difference yet you guys don’t show up during this timezone at all.

Yeah it is not like there is a massive dead zone where after we have to fix all the damage done so that JQ can get there kitten kicked during NA.

IF it wasen’t for paper keeps on ourside and tier 3 on yours we could do something, but that is now how it is. If we had any SEA we would tear a hole in you, but right now we have a lot of work to do.

We log in and every thing is broken and we need to rebuild it. We show up, but so those yours and while you only have SG that is of any threat it dose not change the fact that it is hard to take tier 3 keeps full of randoms with 15 RK.

Welcome to the last 5 months of being JQ, SEA and NA. Between 10pm server time and 4am server time we’d lose everything. Between 10 am server time and 2-4 pm server time we’d lose everything. We’re powered through it as best we could. Accepted what we couldn’t control and had fun fighting when we were on.

And you are even bigger then we ever was. We could not even get close to this high a tick and we are going into LOW activity part of BG.

IF you can barley get a fight out of us how do you think the S1 will go when you fight even less then us.

This reminds me of the last time we had open server transfers and JQ took number 1 spot with no fight for months on end. Only you are even bigger then that now.

You will win season 1, but what then?? IF i where you i would worry.

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/101
I would look around Wednesday during OCX when BG has 500 ppt. But your are always right you never had dominate timezones like “Stacked Quarry”.
http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/33/87
I could keep going during the time period BG was the king of the hill. Every server has a timezone they are strong in. Recruitment is the only way to solve this but we didn’t overstack a timezone.